On 10/4/22 4:18 PM, Bernard Peek wrote:
> On 2022-10-01, Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> There are worse ones than Chessiecon's. Just one item seriously concerns me:
>>
>> Discrimination against any convention member based on
>> irrelevant characteristics will not be tolerated and
>> is a violation of the code of conduct. Such irrelevant
>> characteristics include but are not limited to: gender,
>> race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, gender
>> identity, or physical/mental disability.
>>
>> On a personal, social level, it's generally assumed that people can
>> discriminate for any reasons they consider relevant.
>
> No, it's not 'generally assumed' and in many places it could be illegal.
Could you give an example of a person being prosecuted for personal,
social choices, or at least a law on the books that would plausibly
allow such prosecution?
>
> The catch-all 'not limited to' is there to cover other sorts of assholery.
> Yes it could be used to exclude anyone the concom doesn't like. There is
> quite possibly another rule that makes that more explicit.
I gave a link to the page. If there's another rule that clarifies what
commonly practiced behavior, which you call "assholery," is or isn't
prohibited, you should be able to find it rather than speculating.
>
>> But on the personal level, everyone discriminates, and it's considered
>> acceptable.
>
> Sometimes. The law defines protected characteristics and discrimination on
> any of those grounds is considered unacceptable. This rule just makes it
> explicit. I don't see an issue here.
Considered unacceptable by you, perhaps, but you're in a very small
minority. Women, Hindus, gays, Chinese, etc., all often like to hang
around with others who share those characteristics with them. It isn't
uncommon for them to enjoy books and movies that feature people like
themselves.
It's possible that some countries have laws prohibiting this. Some
countries have extremely draconian laws. I'd still want to see an
example. But in the US, Canada, and most of Europe (to cite only
countries with which I have experience), it's routine and legal for
people to socially discriminate in favor of people similar to themselves.
Just by participating in this newsgroup, you're discriminating in favor
of science fiction fans. Fandom isn't on the list of "irrelevant"
characteristics, so perhaps you consider that OK, but it could be
"assholery" under the "not limited to" phrase.
In the world I'm familiar with, people routinely exercise social
preference based on many characteristics, including the ones on the
"irrelevant" list, and no one except you objects, and no one is prosecuted.