Extra! Extra! Fan's daughter buys lingerie
Karen Lofstrom
convince her that buying a whole new wardrobe before she gets there is a
mistake (she doesn't really know what she'll need) but she managed to
convince me that no matter what, she needed new underwear.
She's only 17 but she likes sophisticated designer underthings :) We got a
25% discount when I took out a Macy's card just for the purchase, but it
was still a $250 dollar splurge, towards which she contributed a $100
check she got for graduation.
My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
Clearly, she has not inherited or developed my stern practicality. We
ended up with a rainbow of purple, blue, coral, and light green underwear,
some of which didn't quite match anything else. She is convinced that OF
COURSE purple pants go with a coral bra, because they're both *colorful*.
Ah well, it's differences that make life interesting.
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---------------------------------------------------------------
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How true that is." -- Mr. Edible Starchy Tuber Head
Jenn Ridley
>Clearly, she has not inherited or developed my stern practicality. We
>ended up with a rainbow of purple, blue, coral, and light green underwear,
>some of which didn't quite match anything else. She is convinced that OF
>COURSE purple pants go with a coral bra, because they're both *colorful*.
Of course they go together. My mother used to say "anyone who sees
them both at the same time had better have other things on their mind
than whether your underwear matches".
jenn
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Peter Meilinger
I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
"coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see. Some
kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it? Goes fine with purple as
far as I'm concerned.
Pete
Paul Ciszek
In article <c9pt7n$n2n$1...@news3.bu.edu>,
Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
>I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
>straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
>"coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see. Some
>kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it? Goes fine with purple as
>far as I'm concerned.
Even straight women seem to care more what other women think of their
clothing, makeup, etc. Overheard in an overpriced clothing store:
"Oh, all the men think it looks awful but it's really what's in this
year."
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Dorothy J Heydt
Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>In article <c9pt7n$n2n$1...@news3.bu.edu>,
>Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
>>straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
>>"coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see. Some
>>kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it? Goes fine with purple as
>>far as I'm concerned.
>
>Even straight women seem to care more what other women think of their
>clothing, makeup, etc. Overheard in an overpriced clothing store:
>"Oh, all the men think it looks awful but it's really what's in this
>year."
Oh, sure. Clothing etc. is chosen to impress/arouse envy in/knock
the socks off other women. Just as all the spam offering guys a
chance to increase the size of their membra virilia is targeted
toward those who want to impress/etc. the guys in the locker
room. We've had this discussion a lot.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
Bernard Peek
<lofs...@lava.net> writes
>My daughter is soooo gung-ho about going off to college. I've managed to
>convince her that buying a whole new wardrobe before she gets there is a
>mistake (she doesn't really know what she'll need) but she managed to
>convince me that no matter what, she needed new underwear.
>
>She's only 17 but she likes sophisticated designer underthings :) We got a
>25% discount when I took out a Macy's card just for the purchase, but it
>was still a $250 dollar splurge, towards which she contributed a $100
>check she got for graduation.
>
>My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
>beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
>beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
>
>Clearly, she has not inherited or developed my stern practicality. We
>ended up with a rainbow of purple, blue, coral, and light green underwear,
>some of which didn't quite match anything else. She is convinced that OF
>COURSE purple pants go with a coral bra, because they're both *colorful*.
>
>Ah well, it's differences that make life interesting.
>
I believe the traditional response is "GIF! GIF!" but I never did get
understand what C. J. Cherry's aliens had to do with it.
--
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Karl Johanson
news:c9pt7n$n2n$1...@news3.bu.edu...
> Jenn Ridley <jri...@chartermi.net> wrote:
> >lofs...@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote:
>
> >>Clearly, she has not inherited or developed my stern practicality. We
> >>ended up with a rainbow of purple, blue, coral, and light green
underwear,
> >>some of which didn't quite match anything else. She is convinced that OF
> >>COURSE purple pants go with a coral bra, because they're both
*colorful*.
>
> >Of course they go together. My mother used to say "anyone who sees
> >them both at the same time had better have other things on their mind
> >than whether your underwear matches".
>
> I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
> straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
> "coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see.
Peter, I think that's a bit simplistic. We'd need to test your theory under
controlled conditions before we concluded that men can't recognize coral.
First of all, we need a good sample size, say, 100 women wearing just
underwear, with maybe 10% coral coloured. Then you and I (I being colour
challenged, to represent that percentage of the male population), look at
all of the underwears & see if we can correctly identify the coral ones.
There's something about needing to repeat the experiment as well I think.
There's something about 'double blind' we're supposed to do to, to make it
scientific. Maybe we're supposed to see if we can identify the coral bras
only by touch or something. Ah, science demands such sacrifices sometimes.
Karl Johanson
"Are you wearin' a black bra? ... I love black underwears." -Joey Fusco, Jr.
from "While You Were Sleeping"
David G. Bell
<8tl0c0pd11lq880f0...@4ax.com>
jri...@chartermi.net "Jenn Ridley" wrote:
You don't know of any colour-blind young men in your locality?
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David G. Bell
mell...@bu.edu "Peter Meilinger" wrote:
Maybe she's planning a colour sequence. Red sweater, blue jeans...
Dorothy J Heydt
>In message <10c0k6f...@corp.supernews.com>, Karen Lofstrom
><lofs...@lava.net> writes
>>
>>beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
>>beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
The great thing about beige is that (assuming you're of European
descent or mostly so) it approximately matches your skin, so if
your clothes are less than perfectly opaque the beige underwear
doesn't show against the beige skin.
>I believe the traditional response is "GIF! GIF!" but I never did get
>understand what C. J. Cherry's aliens had to do with it.
That's kif, and they were color-blind as I recall, and to find
out what kind of underwear they wore (if any) would require a
whole lot of sfik.
Matthew B. Tepper
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I have excellent color perception, including more-than-usual in my
peripheral vision. I'm *able* to distinguish the various colors. I just
don't care.
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Aaron Denney
> In article <vwB2iFEY...@shrdlu.com>, Bernard Peek <b...@shrdlu.com> wrote:
>>In message <10c0k6f...@corp.supernews.com>, Karen Lofstrom
>><lofs...@lava.net> writes
>>>
>>>My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
>>>beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
>>>beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
>
> The great thing about beige is that (assuming you're of European
> descent or mostly so) it approximately matches your skin, so if
> your clothes are less than perfectly opaque the beige underwear
> doesn't show against the beige skin.
So it's better to seem to be not wearing underwear?
--
Aaron Denney
-><-
Dorothy J Heydt
No, it's better to give the illusion that the viewer can see neither
your underwear nor your skin. Even if he can, through a batiste
darkly.
Remember that it's *edges* that our visual system sees. Beige
underwear against beige skin shows no edges.
Matt Austern
> "Peter Meilinger" <mell...@bu.edu> wrote in message
> > I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
> > straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
> > "coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see.
>
> Peter, I think that's a bit simplistic. We'd need to test your theory under
> controlled conditions before we concluded that men can't recognize coral.
> First of all, we need a good sample size, say, 100 women wearing just
> underwear, with maybe 10% coral coloured. Then you and I (I being colour
> challenged, to represent that percentage of the male population), look at
> all of the underwears & see if we can correctly identify the coral ones.
> There's something about needing to repeat the experiment as well I think.
> There's something about 'double blind' we're supposed to do to, to make it
> scientific.
I thought the idea that doing this made you go double blind was just
a myth.
Sea Wasp
> "Peter Meilinger" <mell...@bu.edu> wrote in message
>>I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
>>straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
>>"coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see.
>
>
> Peter, I think that's a bit simplistic. We'd need to test your theory under
> controlled conditions before we concluded that men can't recognize coral.
> First of all, we need a good sample size, say, 100 women wearing just
> underwear, with maybe 10% coral coloured. Then you and I (I being colour
> challenged, to represent that percentage of the male population), look at
> all of the underwears & see if we can correctly identify the coral ones.
> There's something about needing to repeat the experiment as well I think.
> There's something about 'double blind' we're supposed to do to, to make it
> scientific. Maybe we're supposed to see if we can identify the coral bras
> only by touch or something. Ah, science demands such sacrifices sometimes.
>
I would gladly assist you in this grand scientific endeavor.
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I wouldn't call recognizing and *naming* specific colors important.
But I sure find seeing small differences and knowing what color
components they differ in to be useful, when color-correcting photos
and such!
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David Dyer-Bennet
> On Friday, in article
> <8tl0c0pd11lq880f0...@4ax.com>
> jri...@chartermi.net "Jenn Ridley" wrote:
>
>> lofs...@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote:
>>
>> >Clearly, she has not inherited or developed my stern practicality. We
>> >ended up with a rainbow of purple, blue, coral, and light green underwear,
>> >some of which didn't quite match anything else. She is convinced that OF
>> >COURSE purple pants go with a coral bra, because they're both *colorful*.
>>
>> Of course they go together. My mother used to say "anyone who sees
>> them both at the same time had better have other things on their mind
>> than whether your underwear matches".
>
> You don't know of any colour-blind young men in your locality?
Even then, they should have other things on their mind.
David Dyer-Bennet
> In article <vwB2iFEY...@shrdlu.com>, Bernard Peek <b...@shrdlu.com> wrote:
>>In message <10c0k6f...@corp.supernews.com>, Karen Lofstrom
>><lofs...@lava.net> writes
>>>
>>>My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
>>>beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
>>>beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
>
> The great thing about beige is that (assuming you're of European
> descent or mostly so) it approximately matches your skin, so if
> your clothes are less than perfectly opaque the beige underwear
> doesn't show against the beige skin.
Good point. I *still* find it weird that women's clothing is
sometimes translucent to the point of being "indecent" (by most
community standards) without augmentation.
>>I believe the traditional response is "GIF! GIF!" but I never did get
>>understand what C. J. Cherry's aliens had to do with it.
>
> That's kif, and they were color-blind as I recall, and to find
> out what kind of underwear they wore (if any) would require a
> whole lot of sfik.
Spoilsport :-)
Karl Johanson
news:m2k6ynx...@Matt-Austerns-Computer.local...
That's if you do it by yourself. That's why you can't just do the test with
the underwear by itself, it needs to be occupied.
Karl Johanson
Kate Secor
> My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
> beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
> beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
>
> Clearly, she has not inherited or developed my stern practicality. We
> ended up with a rainbow of purple, blue, coral, and light green underwear,
> some of which didn't quite match anything else. She is convinced that OF
> COURSE purple pants go with a coral bra, because they're both *colorful*.
>
> Ah well, it's differences that make life interesting.
My friend Caitlin's mother used to refuse to allow her to buy underwear
that wasn't white, black, or beige, and cotton.
This turned out to be useful when she got depressed and upset at her
parents -- I'd drag her out to Victoria's Secret and make her buy
scarlet silk bras and decadent black silk nighties, which seemed to
cheer her up.
Underwear for me falls under the "purple socks" theory -- no matter how
bad my day gets, I can almost always make myself feel a *little* bit
better by sitting there and thinking "I have purple socks on!"
Aiglet
Dorothy J Heydt
David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>
>> The great thing about beige is that (assuming you're of European
>> descent or mostly so) it approximately matches your skin, so if
>> your clothes are less than perfectly opaque the beige underwear
>> doesn't show against the beige skin.
>
>Good point. I *still* find it weird that women's clothing is
>sometimes translucent to the point of being "indecent" (by most
>community standards) without augmentation.
Well, you sometimes have people working at cross-purposes in this
regard. I can think of two ways offhand:
(a) the woman is wearing lightweight fabrics in order to keep
cool in hot weather, but the man looking at her thinks she's
wearing them in order to attract him;
(b) the woman is wearing lightweight fabrics in order to attract
a man, all right, but the man who's currently looking at her is
not the man she's wearing those clothes to attract.
Dorothy J Heydt
Kate Secor <aig...@nospam.pdti.net> wrote:
>>
>> Ah well, it's differences that make life interesting.
>
>My friend Caitlin's mother used to refuse to allow her to buy underwear
>that wasn't white, black, or beige, and cotton.
>
>This turned out to be useful when she got depressed and upset at her
>parents -- I'd drag her out to Victoria's Secret and make her buy
>scarlet silk bras and decadent black silk nighties, which seemed to
>cheer her up.
Well, whatever works.
>
>Underwear for me falls under the "purple socks" theory -- no matter how
>bad my day gets, I can almost always make myself feel a *little* bit
>better by sitting there and thinking "I have purple socks on!"
I think this will work, or not work, according to whether you're
the type who, realizing "Everybody's looking at me!" start
feeling better, or worse.
Matthew B. Tepper
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I imagine this ability would be of great use to photographers, painters, and
other visual artists. Unfortunately, I'm the worst photographer in the world
(part of my triple crown of awfulness, along with cooking and dancing), so
it's ironic in the extreme that I possess it. I'd happily trade it for, say,
something akin to Nate Bucklin's perfect pitch (only I wouldn't want to
deprive Nate of something so useful to him).
Karl Johanson
news:we6dncY-7Pv4Z13dRVn-
> Underwear for me falls under the "purple socks" theory -- no matter how
> bad my day gets, I can almost always make myself feel a *little* bit
> better by sitting there and thinking "I have purple socks on!"
Occasionally I think, 'I can have purple potatoes for dinner'.
Karl Johanson
Marilee J. Layman
wrote:
>In article <vwB2iFEY...@shrdlu.com>, Bernard Peek <b...@shrdlu.com> wrote:
>>In message <10c0k6f...@corp.supernews.com>, Karen Lofstrom
>><lofs...@lava.net> writes
>>>
>>>My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
>>>beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
>>>beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
>
>The great thing about beige is that (assuming you're of European
>descent or mostly so) it approximately matches your skin, so if
>your clothes are less than perfectly opaque the beige underwear
>doesn't show against the beige skin.
Yes, that's why I was brought up to wear beige underwear, but when I
was in the hospital with the second renal failure and had gotten to
the point where I could get dressed, one of the nurses said "what kind
of color is *this* to wear?" And I pointed out that her own white
underwear was very obvious under her uniform -- almost like she would
be taking the uniform off at some point.
--
Marilee J. Layman
Dorothy J Heydt
Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, that's why I was brought up to wear beige underwear, but when I
>was in the hospital with the second renal failure and had gotten to
>the point where I could get dressed, one of the nurses said "what kind
>of color is *this* to wear?" And I pointed out that her own white
>underwear was very obvious under her uniform -- almost like she would
>be taking the uniform off at some point.
And who knows, maybe she would. Who are we to judge our fellow
mortals. But I prefer to not to look like that; never mind that
at my age it would be ludicrous.
Tina Hall
> Jenn Ridley <jri...@chartermi.net> wrote:
>> lofs...@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote:
>>> She is convinced that OF COURSE purple pants go with a coral
>>> bra, because they're both *colorful*.
>> Of course they go together. My mother used to say "anyone who
>> sees them both at the same time had better have other things on
>> their mind than whether your underwear matches".
> I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
> straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
> "coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see.
Further proof that I'm not one of _them_. <g>
> Some kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it?
Doesn't this sort of contradict your above statement that only women
can see it?
While I can picture pinkish-orange I wouldn't call it coral. Maybe
beige or pink, or orange, or even yellow, or ice-cream-peach. (There
are some other colours that I'd call ice-cream colours because
that's what they bring to mind.)
If I had to grant coral being a colour, I'd associate it with actual
corals, or rather the coral necklace that I used to have as a kid,
and it's just some sort of medium-dark red with a pink touch.
> Goes fine with purple as far as I'm concerned.
Yup. Not because it's colourful but because the colours nicely
complement each other.
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Tina Hall
> In article <slrncc1k2b...@ofb.net>,
> Aaron Denney <wno...@ofb.net> wrote:
>> On 2004-06-04, Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> The great thing about beige is that (assuming you're of
>>> European descent or mostly so) it approximately matches your
>>> skin, so if your clothes are less than perfectly opaque the
>>> beige underwear doesn't show against the beige skin.
>>
>> So it's better to seem to be not wearing underwear?
> No, it's better to give the illusion that the viewer can see
> neither your underwear nor your skin. Even if he can, through a
> batiste darkly.
> Remember that it's *edges* that our visual system sees. Beige
> underwear against beige skin shows no edges.
You'd need very odd skin and clothes to not see the edges. Not only
because of the folds it creates in your cloths (like a t-shirt
clinging to your bra-strap will reveal the shape of the strap), but
I doubt anyone is truly bland-smooth-beige-coloured. If you're
wearing something transparent it's definitely visible. (Though with
some people's eyes you never know. I have a shirt that some woman
thought was transparent, while it's just different shades of gray,
large irregular patches flowing from very light to very dark, with
big ugly white flowers printed on it.)
I prefer huge clothes that don't even properly reveal the shape of
the person inside, never mind the underwear. <g>
(What's 'batiste'?)
--
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Dorothy J Heydt
Tina Hall <Tina...@kruemel.org> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article <slrncc1k2b...@ofb.net>,
>> Aaron Denney <wno...@ofb.net> wrote:
>>> On 2004-06-04, Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The great thing about beige is that (assuming you're of
>>>> European descent or mostly so) it approximately matches your
>>>> skin, so if your clothes are less than perfectly opaque the
>>>> beige underwear doesn't show against the beige skin.
>>>
>>> So it's better to seem to be not wearing underwear?
>
>> No, it's better to give the illusion that the viewer can see
>> neither your underwear nor your skin. Even if he can, through a
>> batiste darkly.
>
>> Remember that it's *edges* that our visual system sees. Beige
>> underwear against beige skin shows no edges.
>
>You'd need very odd skin and clothes to not see the edges. Not only
>because of the folds it creates in your cloths (like a t-shirt
>clinging to your bra-strap will reveal the shape of the strap),
Well, if you're wearing clingy fabric, yes. I tend not to; I do
wear T-shirts but I wear them several sizes too large. I have a
shape like the Venus of Willendorf's grandmother and I don't care
to display it.
>I prefer huge clothes that don't even properly reveal the shape of
>the person inside, never mind the underwear. <g>
Me too.
>
>(What's 'batiste'?)
A lightweight cotton fabric woven of very fine thread, frequently
rather translucent. Since it's French for "baptist", as in St. John,
I have the feeling it used to be used for babies' christening gowns.
Karl Johanson
news:MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet...@fidonet.org...
> Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
> > Jenn Ridley <jri...@chartermi.net> wrote:
> >> lofs...@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote:
>
> >>> She is convinced that OF COURSE purple pants go with a coral
> >>> bra, because they're both *colorful*.
>
> >> Of course they go together. My mother used to say "anyone who
> >> sees them both at the same time had better have other things on
> >> their mind than whether your underwear matches".
>
> > I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
> > straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
> > "coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see.
>
> Further proof that I'm not one of _them_. <g>
>
> > Some kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it?
>
> Doesn't this sort of contradict your above statement that only women
> can see it?
>
> While I can picture pinkish-orange I wouldn't call it coral. Maybe
> beige or pink, or orange, or even yellow, or ice-cream-peach. (There
> are some other colours that I'd call ice-cream colours because
> that's what they bring to mind.)
Mmmmm. Ice cream... A local ice cream monger has blue bubble gum ice cream
(which includes pieces of gum without much rubber in them). It appeals to
the part of my mind which thinks the world should have blue food. Baskin
Robbins raspberry cheese Louise frozen sherbet is my favourite though.
> If I had to grant coral being a colour, I'd associate it with actual
> corals, or rather the coral necklace that I used to have as a kid,
> and it's just some sort of medium-dark red with a pink touch.
Something I often wondered about, is why name a specific colour after
something which isn't always that colour. For example, 'apple green'. Apples
come in all sorts of shades of green. Same with 'cherry red'. Similarly,
some foods are called one colour, when they aren't that colour. Purple
cabbage is sometimes called 'blue cabbage', for example.
Maybe we can refer to colours by their RGB or CYMK numbers and save some
arguing.
Karl Johanson
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your forum section, until last week when my neighbour Cynthia came over
wearing a slinky low cut R-230 G-50 B-10 dress, carrying a large bowl of
whipping cream, a Dust Buster, two rolls of aluminum foil and a poodle..."
James J. Walton
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> Remember that it's *edges* that our visual system sees. Beige
> underwear against beige skin shows no edges.
So this advice is only good for ladies (and certain gentlemen) of European
extraction?
Dale
> In article <c9q9u2$ih5$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
> Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >In article <c9pt7n$n2n$1...@news3.bu.edu>,
> >Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
> >>straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
> >>kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it? Goes fine with purple as
> >>far as I'm concerned.
> >
> >clothing, makeup, etc. Overheard in an overpriced clothing store:
> >"Oh, all the men think it looks awful but it's really what's in this
> >year."
>
> Oh, sure. Clothing etc. is chosen to impress/arouse envy in/knock
> the socks off other women. Just as all the spam offering guys a
> chance to increase the size of their membra virilia is targeted
> toward those who want to impress/etc. the guys in the locker
> room. We've had this discussion a lot.
>
I always thought it was a true-life application of the old dance hall
truism that the only thin g better than checking out the guys was
checking out the competition. Guys do the same but in more veilved and
possibly whiner tones.
Dale
> Karen Lofstrom wrote:
>
> > My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
> > beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
> > beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
> >
> > Clearly, she has not inherited or developed my stern practicality. We
> > ended up with a rainbow of purple, blue, coral, and light green underwear,
> > some of which didn't quite match anything else. She is convinced that OF
> > COURSE purple pants go with a coral bra, because they're both *colorful*.
> >
> > Ah well, it's differences that make life interesting.
>
> My friend Caitlin's mother used to refuse to allow her to buy underwear
> that wasn't white, black, or beige, and cotton.
>
I have heard of silly parental rules but this one takes the cake I
believe. I can't even imagine what the punishment would be like for
infrinding on this rule.
Speaking of Victoria's Secret, they apparently have a position called
"Bra Specialist" The job of a bra specialist is to help women find the
most comfortable bra for their breast/body type. Needless to say I
might be in the wrong profession.
Dorothy J Heydt
Dale <Shado...@aol.com> wrote:
>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in message news:<Hysnt...@kithrup.com>...
>>
>> the socks off other women. Just as all the spam offering guys a
>> chance to increase the size of their membra virilia is targeted
>> toward those who want to impress/etc. the guys in the locker
>> room. We've had this discussion a lot.
>
>I always thought it was a true-life application of the old dance hall
>checking out the competition. Guys do the same but in more veilved and
>possibly whiner tones.
Well, as soon as humans began wearing clothes, guys had to resort
to playing the game of "mine is bigger than yours" symbolically
rather than literally. This has made life, on the whole, more
complex and rather more interesting.
Dorothy J Heydt
Mutatis mutandis, it could work for anybody. Decide coolly and
objectively what color your skin really is. Search for underwear
in that color. If it isn't available for sale, buy white and dye
it. More work, I agree; many technological advances and
marketing choices are unfairly slanted in favor of Europeans and
their descendants.
Dorothy J Heydt
Dale <Shado...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Speaking of Victoria's Secret, they apparently have a position called
>"Bra Specialist" The job of a bra specialist is to help women find the
>most comfortable bra for their breast/body type. Needless to say I
>might be in the wrong profession.
Somehow or the other I once got onto their mailing list, and
received catalogs for about a year. Charming little objects, but
it was clear that in order to be able to wear their bras, you had
to have no boobs and thus need no bras.
David Bilek
Weird. Most women of my acquaintance complain about the exact
opposite; that VS shows only large-breasted women modeling their
clothes, so it is impossible to know how it would look on normal
women.
I suspect this comes down to what you consider "large".
-David
David Dyer-Bennet
> Maybe we can refer to colours by their RGB or CYMK numbers and save some
> arguing.
Heh. What color space?
Better to use the PMS numbers (Pantone Matching System; I wonder if
they noticed the problem when establishing the name?). But the coated
or uncoated stock version?
Marilee J. Layman
Yes, and she said that. :) You'd need something darker.
--
Marilee J. Layman
Dorothy J Heydt
Well, I consider myself "large." (Each of my boobs weighs about
a pound, and could be easily modeled in a pound of hamburger, the
way it comes packaged in a flat square pack: all you'd have to do
is sculp one end so it was rounded rather than squared-off.)
As to the VS models, they reminded me of the old story about the
recently married young man who went into the lingerie section of
the department store to buy some underwear for his wife. (I like
to think it was their first month's anniversary.) He did not, of
course, have any idea of sizes. The salesclerk tried to help him
out. "Well, how big is your wife?" "She's about your height,
only very slender." "How big are her breasts?" "Well, small."
"How small? The size of grapefruits?" "Smaller." "Oranges?"
"Smaller." "Lemons?" "Smaller." "Eggs?" "That's it! Fried."
Tina Hall
Oh, it's some rebellious "I'm doing something kinky!" thing? I
understood it just simply as "Heh, that's silly. <g>", like those
daft stuffed slippers in the shape of tiger's claws or similar
(which always make me smile - because they're daft and silly - but
they fall apart too quickly to be useful, so I've settled on really
ugly old men's slippers).
My grandmother used to say (at, I forgot exactly, pretty much any
peep I think, I was a rather quiet kid...) "The people are
watching!" (meaning "Behave and shut up."), with the result that I
now feel neither better nor worse; I simply don't give a shit. :)
Though the some weeks ago I was puzzled because people did _stare_
and I wondered whether I'd sprouted a big fat wart on my nose or
something. (There was certainly nothing weird with my dress that I
could see, or I'd not have wondered.) As it is, there was no sudden
wart, either, so I concluded that they must have thought I was a guy
dressed in women's clothes (wouldn't have been the first time that
people confuse me for a guy, including occasions when I've
'disguised' myself as a woman, which amuses me no end).
(My socks might count as purple, thought they're really some dark
red-brown thick wool socks on top of plain black tennis socks.)
Dorothy J Heydt
>David Bilek <dtb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>Weird. Most women of my acquaintance complain about the exact
>>opposite; that VS shows only large-breasted women modeling their
>>clothes, so it is impossible to know how it would look on normal
>>women.
>
[snip pound-of-hamburger analogy]
[snip fried-egg story]
In fact, I just took a look at their online catalogue and you
have a point. They seem to have changed their selection of
models since the day when they vainly sent me catalogues; those
women actually have boobs, B or maybe even C cups in some cases.
They're not as elephantine as mine, and they should be grateful
for it, too, but they've got beyond the fried-egg stage.
James J. Walton
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Marilee J. Layman wrote:
> >So this advice is only good for ladies (and certain gentlemen) of European
> >extraction?
>
> Yes, and she said that. :)
She probably did. I admit to not reading all of the messages in a thread
> You'd need something darker.
I once went to a Frederick's of Hollywood store to buy a gift for the lady
I was dating at the time. That was a mistake on several levels.
James J. Walton
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> Well, I consider myself "large." (Each of my boobs weighs about
> a pound, and could be easily modeled in a pound of hamburger, the
> way it comes packaged in a flat square pack: all you'd have to do
> is sculp one end so it was rounded rather than squared-off.)
Oh, the visuals...
k
Karl Johanson
news:HytDp...@kithrup.com...
> Well, as soon as humans began wearing clothes, guys had to resort
> to playing the game of "mine is bigger than yours" symbolically
> rather than literally. This has made life, on the whole, more
> complex and rather more interesting.
While I have nothing against though who are interested in such things, I've
never been really interested in what other guys thought of my penis, (size
or otherwise). I've never been a big fan of neck ties either. 3 1/2 years in
the army & I never learned how to do a double windsor (I just loosened it &
pulled it over my head to get it on or off).
Karl Johanson
'Man that water's cold...'
'Yeah, deep too.'
Dorothy J Heydt
Charlton Wilbur
MJL> Yes, that's why I was brought up to wear beige underwear, but
MJL> when I was in the hospital with the second renal failure and
MJL> had gotten to the point where I could get dressed, one of the
MJL> nurses said "what kind of color is *this* to wear?" And I
MJL> pointed out that her own white underwear was very obvious
MJL> under her uniform -- almost like she would be taking the
MJL> uniform off at some point.
Well, one certainly *hopes* that she would take the uniform off at
some point!
Charlton
(who [full disclosure] wears boxer shorts in various plaids, checks,
and paisleys, and occasionally even a solid color)
--
cwilbur at chromatico dot net
cwilbur at mac dot com
Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr
>In article <we6dncY-7Pv...@speakeasy.net>,
>Kate Secor <aig...@nospam.pdti.net> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>My friend Caitlin's mother used to refuse to allow her to buy underwear
>>that wasn't white, black, or beige, and cotton.
>>
>>parents -- I'd drag her out to Victoria's Secret and make her buy
>>scarlet silk bras and decadent black silk nighties, which seemed to
>>cheer her up.
>
>Well, whatever works.
>>
>>Underwear for me falls under the "purple socks" theory -- no matter how
>>bad my day gets, I can almost always make myself feel a *little* bit
>>better by sitting there and thinking "I have purple socks on!"
>
>I think this will work, or not work, according to whether you're
>the type who, realizing "Everybody's looking at me!" start
>feeling better, or worse.
I don't think so. I read Aiglet's "purple socks" as equivalent to my own being
pleased to know that I'm wearing (to choose a real example) multi-color
tie-dyed boxer shorts, under circumstances where I don't expect anybody else to
see them. It just pleases me to know I've got them on.
-- Alan
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James J. Walton
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <20040604231430...@pong.telerama.com>,
> James J. Walton <jjwa...@telerama.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I consider myself "large." (Each of my boobs weighs about
> >> a pound, and could be easily modeled in a pound of hamburger, the
> >> way it comes packaged in a flat square pack: all you'd have to do
> >> is sculp one end so it was rounded rather than squared-off.)
> >
> >Oh, the visuals...
>
> Yeah, it's awful, isn't it?
Not necessarily.
Kip Williams
> While I have nothing against though who are interested in such things, I've
> never been really interested in what other guys thought of my penis, (size
> or otherwise).
Well, guys, it's discussion time! As you can see, we've started a new
thread, open to all guys on the group. Let's "rap!"
Here's the topic: What do You think of Karl's penis? Are you okay with
its size, proportions, and coloration? Any opinions on the shape,
complexion, or moral dimensions of "Little Karl?" Do you think Karl is
steppin' large and laughin' easy? Is his tailor doing an adequate job of
sheathing and presenting (or concealing!) Karl's manly unit? Has anybody
heard anything about it in the world press?
Simply submit your comments to this thread. The winner of the most
interesting comment will receive a pen or something, provided we adjudge
a winner.
--
--Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/sarahxihuan
"Bad enough having [expletive] flu, without being crucified." --John
Cleese (after Monty Python's Life of Brian)
Kip Williams
>
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>
>>In article <20040604231430...@pong.telerama.com>,
>>James J. Walton <jjwa...@telerama.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, I consider myself "large." (Each of my boobs weighs about
>>>>a pound, and could be easily modeled in a pound of hamburger, the
>>>>way it comes packaged in a flat square pack: all you'd have to do
>>>>is sculp one end so it was rounded rather than squared-off.)
>>>
>>>Oh, the visuals...
>>
>>Yeah, it's awful, isn't it?
>
> Not necessarily.
I once dreamed we were driving past the entrance to CNU, and there was a
larger-than-life bust of Dwight D. Eisenhower, made of ground beef. It
must have had some type of armature inside to keep it all from slumping.
Lots42 The Library Avenger
>straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
>"coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see. Some
>kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it? Goes fine with purple as
>far as I'm concerned.
>
>
By the time a straight guy sees a girl's bra, he really isn't quite concerned
what the color is.
Susan
> Speaking of Victoria's Secret, they apparently have a position called
> "Bra Specialist" The job of a bra specialist is to help women find the
> most comfortable bra for their breast/body type. Needless to say I
> might be in the wrong profession.
Most "old-fashioned" or specialty lingerie stores will have one or
more of these. Town Bra and Orchard Corset in NYC certainly do.
Which you visit depends on whether your preference is to be scoped out
and measured by gorgeous young women or elderly Orthodox Jewish women.
I admit, I'm having a little trouble with the idea of going to one at
a VS - I wonder if their help would extend to escorting one to an
entirely different store since VS carries nothing in one's size? I'm
having trouble with "comfortable" as applied to VS, too, although I
suppose either being small enough to fit into their stuff or
sufficiently silicone-filled that gravity doesn't affect one might
help with that.
Susan
Susan
*laughs hysterically* *laughs some more* *laughs again* Quick look
at their website shows nothing larger than DD, and most of their
models are either not nearly that or are visibly being helped by
either wonderbra technology (which can be simulated pretty easily with
padding or tape) or surgical assistance. (Hint, breasts don't stand
up straight like that in that size in real life.)
I grant you the non-normality. :)
> I suspect this comes down to what you consider "large".
I'll grant them an impressive range at the small end - I don't think
I've seen a 32DD many places - but the large sizes end at moderately
above average. Even if I define large as "larger than me", they're
still a few cup sizes short.
Susan
David Dyer-Bennet
> Karl Johanson wrote:
>> While I have nothing against though who are interested in such things, I've
>> never been really interested in what other guys thought of my penis, (size
>> or otherwise).
>
> Well, guys, it's discussion time! As you can see, we've started a new
> thread, open to all guys on the group. Let's "rap!"
>
> Here's the topic: What do You think of Karl's penis? Are you okay with
> its size, proportions, and coloration? Any opinions on the shape,
> complexion, or moral dimensions of "Little Karl?" Do you think Karl is
> steppin' large and laughin' easy? Is his tailor doing an adequate job
> of sheathing and presenting (or concealing!) Karl's manly unit? Has
> anybody heard anything about it in the world press?
I feel I know everything about Karl's penis that I really need to
know, and I have no objections to anything about it that I know
about.
Jenn Ridley
> I'm
>having trouble with "comfortable" as applied to VS, too, although I
>suppose either being small enough to fit into their stuff or
>sufficiently silicone-filled that gravity doesn't affect one might
>help with that.
I'm neither silicon filled nor immune to gravity (two breast fed
kids), and VS bras fit me just fine. They're also comfortable, as
long as I stay away from the lace edged bras. Friends of mine who
wear D cups find VS bras to be comfortable as well. Other friends
who wear the same size don't find VS bras comfortable...it's a matter
of proportion and breast shape.
jenn
--
Jenn Ridley
jri...@chartermi.net
Tina Hall
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in message
> news:<Hysnt...@kithrup.com>...
>> Clothing etc. is chosen to impress/arouse envy in/knock the socks
>> off other women.
And here I thought I dressed to look good for myself only, no matter
what anybody else thought of it... Learn something new every day.
<g>
> I always thought it was a true-life application of the old dance
> hall truism that the only thin g better than checking out the
> guys was checking out the competition. Guys do the same but in
> more veilved and possibly whiner tones.
Is that what you're supposed to do? Oh dear. And here I at best
admired/inwardly acknowledged interesting outfits of other people,
or thought 'WTF!?'.
Really, what does anybody else's taste have to do with what I wear?
--
Tina - Hopeless Optimist and Tolerant Fanatic, with no internet access!
"Let it end in hellfire!" -- Dungeon Crawl
Tina Hall
> In article <MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet...@fidonet.or
> g>, Tina Hall <Tina...@kruemel.org> wrote:
>> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> Remember that it's *edges* that our visual system sees. Beige
>>> underwear against beige skin shows no edges.
>>
>> You'd need very odd skin and clothes to not see the edges. Not
>> only because of the folds it creates in your cloths (like a
>> t-shirt clinging to your bra-strap will reveal the shape of the
>> strap),
> Well, if you're wearing clingy fabric, yes. I tend not to; I do
> wear T-shirts but I wear them several sizes too large.
"AOL".
> I have a shape like the Venus of Willendorf's grandmother and I
> don't care to display it.
Now, without actually knowing what that granny might look like, the
image I get might be far worse than it actually is. ;)
>> I prefer huge clothes that don't even properly reveal the shape
>> of the person inside, never mind the underwear. <g>
> Me too.
Not to hide, though, but because it's far more comfortable (ok, when
it doesn't keep sliding down, but I got myself some suspenders/
braces/whatever the correct word is).
I get irritated by tight or odd-fitting clothes really quickly. I
don't mind two different coloured socks, but I do get a big urge to
tear them to bits when they have different shapes or aren't long
enough, for example.
Or t-shirts that fit tightly around the arm/shoulder and bite into
the armpit are horrid, those that can't be pulled down over the
bottom (to be stuffed into pants properly without sliding back out)
are, too.
I've pretty much given in on finding properly fitting jeans, too.
>> (What's 'batiste'?)
> A lightweight cotton fabric woven of very fine thread, frequently
> rather translucent. Since it's French for "baptist", as in St.
> John, I have the feeling it used to be used for babies'
> christening gowns.
That does ring very very faint bells.
Tina Hall
> "Tina Hall" <Tina...@kruemel.org> wrote in message
> news:MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet...@fidonet.org...
>> While I can picture pinkish-orange I wouldn't call it coral.
>> Maybe beige or pink, or orange, or even yellow, or
>> ice-cream-peach. (There are some other colours that I'd call
>> ice-cream colours because that's what they bring to mind.)
> Mmmmm. Ice cream... A local ice cream monger has blue bubble gum
> ice cream (which includes pieces of gum without much rubber in
> them). It appeals to the part of my mind which thinks the world
> should have blue food.
Sounds like a good idea.
I'm not that big a fan of ice-cream itself, though, and even less of
bubble gum. Maybe 4 balls of ice cream per year (chocolate or walnut
or similarly un-fancy stuff), and declining pretty much every bubble
gum offered.
> Baskin Robbins raspberry cheese Louise frozen sherbet is my
> favourite though.
Cheese ice cream? Raspberry sounds nice, though I'd prefer real ones
(or a tin), and not too many anyway.
> Maybe we can refer to colours by their RGB or CYMK numbers and
> save some arguing.
I don't know CYMK, and wouldn't be able to guess the shade by the
RGB values, though. :)
I'd rather promote another rule. Dispense with the decimal system.
Teach kids binary (written in hexadecimal to save space). It's only
complicated because 'no one' is used to it. Once you know how it
goes, it should actually be easier. And it makes more sense.
Why make things more complicated than they have to be simply because
most people have 10 fingers? (Heh, that reminds me of some
'anecdotal fact' I read the other day; along those lines people have
less than 10 fingers on average.)
> "I'm a typical great looking guy, who never believed any of the
> letters in your forum section, until last week when my neighbour
> Cynthia came over wearing a slinky low cut R-230 G-50 B-10 dress,
> carrying a large bowl of whipping cream, a Dust Buster, two rolls
> of aluminum foil and a poodle..."
I guess I don't have to understand this, even though it sounds
amusing, but I'd like to know what a Duster Buster is. :)
(Am also wondering how many arms that Cynthia person has to carry
all that stuff...)
Peter Meilinger
>Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>> I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
>> straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
>> "coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see.
>Further proof that I'm not one of _them_. <g>
>> Some kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it?
>Doesn't this sort of contradict your above statement that only women
>can see it?
Not really. If a woman or a man trained in color identification
pointed to something and said "That's coral colored," I'd
look and think, "No, it's sort of pinkish-orange." If they
pointed to a slightly different shade and said, "That's XXX,"
I'd think, "No, it's a slightly different pinkish-orange."
I can see the differences between various shades, at least
to an extent. I just can't see the need to name each and
every possible shade. Pinkish-orange, light-blue, dark-red,
stuff like that works just fine for me.
I'm not sure where I picked up the knowledge that what
some call coral is pinkish-orange, but that's about as
far as I can identify it. I used to be able to determine
cornflower from all the other blues, but I think I might
have lost the ability from underuse. I think I'm still
good with teal, though.
I worked in a warehouse dealing with women's clothing one
summer. That might be where my rudimentary knowledge of
chick colors came from.
Pete
Peter Meilinger
>Something I often wondered about, is why name a specific colour after
>something which isn't always that colour. For example, 'apple green'. Apples
>come in all sorts of shades of green. Same with 'cherry red'. Similarly,
>some foods are called one colour, when they aren't that colour. Purple
>cabbage is sometimes called 'blue cabbage', for example.
Yeah. The one that gets me every time, though, is "wine." Who
the hell decided that was always going to be used to describe
a shade of red rather than pale yellow or whatever the hell
color white wine is?
Who decides any of this crap? I want their name, address,
and five minutes alone with them.
Pete
Kate Secor
> In article <we6dncY-7Pv...@speakeasy.net>,
> Kate Secor <aig...@nospam.pdti.net> wrote:
>>Underwear for me falls under the "purple socks" theory -- no matter how
>>bad my day gets, I can almost always make myself feel a *little* bit
>>better by sitting there and thinking "I have purple socks on!"
>
>
> I think this will work, or not work, according to whether you're
> the type who, realizing "Everybody's looking at me!" start
> feeling better, or worse.
If I'm wearing socks at all, I tend to be wearing them under my combat
boots, so it's not that anyone else can see them.
I think it's just the silliness of bright purple socks that I find
cheering -- a spot of color in a day that seems very grey and awful.
Aiglet
Kate Secor
> Kate Secor <aig...@nospam.pdti.net> wrote in message news:<we6dncY-7Pv...@speakeasy.net>...
>>My friend Caitlin's mother used to refuse to allow her to buy underwear
>>that wasn't white, black, or beige, and cotton.
> I have heard of silly parental rules but this one takes the cake I
> believe. I can't even imagine what the punishment would be like for
> infrinding on this rule.
I don't think it was a "punishment" issue so much as an "I'm paying for
this, so you're buying what I think is practical" issue.
> Speaking of Victoria's Secret, they apparently have a position called
> "Bra Specialist" The job of a bra specialist is to help women find the
> most comfortable bra for their breast/body type. Needless to say I
> might be in the wrong profession.
laughter If they have them -- I've certainly never seen one.
Of course, I don't buy many bras as VS, either.
Aiglet
Kate Secor
> In article <127e4692.0406...@posting.google.com>,
> Dale <Shado...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Speaking of Victoria's Secret, they apparently have a position called
>>"Bra Specialist" The job of a bra specialist is to help women find the
>>most comfortable bra for their breast/body type. Needless to say I
>>might be in the wrong profession.
>
>
> Somehow or the other I once got onto their mailing list, and
> received catalogs for about a year. Charming little objects, but
> it was clear that in order to be able to wear their bras, you had
> to have no boobs and thus need no bras.
AOL!
I think it's because everything they sell is padded, at least from what
I've seen in the stores. They also cut their underwires very oddly.
Aiglet
David G. Bell
<20040605083257...@mb-m26.aol.com>
<thinks>
Why, sir, that might almost be an insult.
Yes, there are other interesting elements, but not to notice the colour,
eventually.
--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."
David G. Bell
<dak3c0t47vun50tsn...@4ax.com>
jri...@chartermi.net "Jenn Ridley" wrote:
A little googling will find various mentions of shops which take to
trouble to find the right fit for their customers, and the observation
by one prominent British fan that the nominal sizes from different
manufacturers don't match, and most people don't know their best size
anyway. Truely, all knowledge is contained in fandom.
Dorothy J Heydt
Tina Hall <Tina...@kruemel.org> wrote:
>Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Baskin Robbins raspberry cheese Louise frozen sherbet is my
>> favourite though.
>
>Cheese ice cream? Raspberry sounds nice, though I'd prefer real ones
>(or a tin), and not too many anyway.
OK, "cheese" as in "cheesecake", meaning gooey dessert made with
cream cheese as one of the ingredients; the name is a pun on the
USian remark "Geez Louise!", a comical way of swearing without
actually taking the Lord's name in vain. USian English has an
awful lot of such euphemisms, the result of our Puritan heritage.
Dave Weingart
>Yeah. The one that gets me every time, though, is "wine." Who
>the hell decided that was always going to be used to describe
>a shade of red rather than pale yellow or whatever the hell
>color white wine is?
My pet peeve is "hunter" for a shade of dark green.
There's a word for hunters who go into the woods wearing dark green. Dead.
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>Simply submit your comments to this thread. The winner of the most
>interesting comment will receive a pen or something, provided we adjudge
>a winner.
What do I think of Karl's Penis...hmm...didn't they open for the Dickies
when they toured a few years back? I thought them a fine, upstanding
group, although I'm not really into that sort of hard rock. As far
as length, it's not really about the length, it's about how good the
sound is when they play, isn't it?
David Bilek
>David Bilek <dtb...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<8td2c09gd38rrkdem...@4ax.com>...
>> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> >Somehow or the other I once got onto their mailing list, and
>> >received catalogs for about a year. Charming little objects, but
>> >it was clear that in order to be able to wear their bras, you had
>> >to have no boobs and thus need no bras.
>>
>> Weird. Most women of my acquaintance complain about the exact
>> opposite; that VS shows only large-breasted women modeling their
>> clothes, so it is impossible to know how it would look on normal
>> women.
>
>*laughs hysterically* *laughs some more* *laughs again* Quick look
>at their website shows nothing larger than DD, and most of their
>models are either not nearly that or are visibly being helped by
>either wonderbra technology (which can be simulated pretty easily with
>padding or tape) or surgical assistance. (Hint, breasts don't stand
>up straight like that in that size in real life.)
>
DD is two standard deviations above average!
>I grant you the non-normality. :)
>
>> I suspect this comes down to what you consider "large".
>
>I'll grant them an impressive range at the small end - I don't think
>I've seen a 32DD many places - but the large sizes end at moderately
>above average. Even if I define large as "larger than me", they're
>still a few cup sizes short.
>
Moderately above average? That would be a "C" cup.
As of a few years ago, about 60% of women wore an A or B cup. Only
10% of women were D cup or bigger.
There is some evidence that because over the last decade women (and
men, but we're talking about women) have gotten a lot fatter that the
average cup size is a bit bigger, but only a bit.
-David
Dorothy J Heydt
Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>Yeah. The one that gets me every time, though, is "wine." Who
>the hell decided that was always going to be used to describe
>a shade of red rather than pale yellow or whatever the hell
>color white wine is?
Harriet: "If I'm going to stay in this hotel I'm going to have
to get a new frock."
Peter: "Get a wine-coloured one. I have always wanted to see
you in wine-colour."
Harriet: "Port or sherry?"
Peter: "Claret. Chateau Margaux 1893 or threabouts. I'm not
particular to a year or two."
(Sayers, _Have His Carcase_)
Dorothy J Heydt
Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
>Not really. If a woman or a man trained in color identification
>pointed to something and said "That's coral colored," I'd
>look and think, "No, it's sort of pinkish-orange." If they
>pointed to a slightly different shade and said, "That's XXX,"
>I'd think, "No, it's a slightly different pinkish-orange."
Where "XXX" is probably "salmon," unless it's "peach."
>I can see the differences between various shades, at least
>to an extent. I just can't see the need to name each and
>every possible shade. Pinkish-orange, light-blue, dark-red,
>stuff like that works just fine for me.
Well, there's being able to distinguish one shade from another by
eyeball, and there's being able to put names to each shade.
And then there's putting the same names to each shade that others
have decided to put to them. Which is why marketers use
variable names, everything from "peach" and "fawn" through
"greige" and "breen" to "ashes-of-roses" and "Isabella," and
printers and dyers and so on use codes, so they can tell what
color they're really talking about.
Dorothy J Heydt
Tina Hall <Tina...@kruemel.org> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a shape like the Venus of Willendorf's grandmother and I
>> don't care to display it.
>
>Now, without actually knowing what that granny might look like, the
>image I get might be far worse than it actually is. ;)
Well, you've seen the Venus of Willendorf, right? Or pictures
of her? Now imagine she was carved of wax instead of reindeer
bone or whatever, and it's a hot day and she's sagging.
>Or t-shirts that fit tightly around the arm/shoulder and bite into
>the armpit are horrid, those that can't be pulled down over the
>bottom (to be stuffed into pants properly without sliding back out)
>are, too.
Oh, I never tuck T- or any other kind of shirts into pants, which
would reveal the waistline I haven't got.
Dorothy J Heydt
Kate Secor <aig...@nospam.pdti.net> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
[the pecularities of Victoria's Secret]
>
>I think it's because everything they sell is padded, at least from what
>I've seen in the stores. They also cut their underwires very oddly.
Oh, don't talk to me about underwires. I have never had an
underwire that didn't lose its end caps and start digging into my
side within a month, or break in the middle within three.
Dorothy J Heydt
Dave Weingart <phyd...@liii.com> wrote:
>>color white wine is?
>
>My pet peeve is "hunter" for a shade of dark green.
>
>There's a word for hunters who go into the woods wearing dark green. Dead.
That's since guns. Hunters with guns tend to follow Tom Lehrer's
dictum:
"People ask me how I do it,
And I say there's nothing to it:
You just stand there looking cute,
And if something moves, you shoot."
This is because nowadays ammunition is (a) cheap, and (b) meant
to be one-use anyway.
But back before guns, you had a bow and some arrows, and you had
a limited number of arrows, and if you shot them against a rock
or something they'd break, and if you shot them into an animal
and merely wounded it, it could run away with your arrow in it
and you might or might not ever see the animal or your arrow
again.
So you stand there looking cute, and the deer wanders off in the
distance between the trees, and you wait, and it gradually
wanders nearer, and you wait, and it approaches, and you wait,
and it finally gets to where you can't possibly miss it, and
*then* you shoot it right in the heart so it'll drop then and
there.
And you dress in green, not so the deer can't see you (it's
color-blind anyway), but so the other humans can't see you and
possibly take a shot at you.
No, I don't know what color William Rufus was wearing when he was
killed by an arrow offshot, but he had red hair anyway....
Kip Williams
> One day in Teletubbyland, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> said:
>
>>Yeah. The one that gets me every time, though, is "wine." Who
>>the hell decided that was always going to be used to describe
>>a shade of red rather than pale yellow or whatever the hell
>>color white wine is?
>
>
> My pet peeve is "hunter" for a shade of dark green.
>
> There's a word for hunters who go into the woods wearing dark green. Dead.
There were more when the color was named, but they've been hunted to
extinction.
Karl Johanson
> > Baskin Robbins raspberry cheese Louise frozen sherbet is my
> > favourite though.
>
> Cheese ice cream? Raspberry sounds nice, though I'd prefer real ones
> (or a tin), and not too many anyway.
It has pieces of cheese cake mixed into it, with raspberry jamish stuff
swirled in.
> > Maybe we can refer to colours by their RGB or CYMK numbers and
> > save some arguing.
>
> I don't know CYMK, and wouldn't be able to guess the shade by the
> RGB values, though. :)
I use the RGB numbers while doing photographic touch ups or manipulations. I
still need help getting many of the colours to look right.
> I'd rather promote another rule. Dispense with the decimal system.
> Teach kids binary (written in hexadecimal to save space). It's only
> complicated because 'no one' is used to it. Once you know how it
> goes, it should actually be easier. And it makes more sense.
A few friends & I used to have races to see who could count up to 11,111 on
one hand.
(There are 10 types of people in this world...)
> Why make things more complicated than they have to be simply because
> most people have 10 fingers? (Heh, that reminds me of some
> 'anecdotal fact' I read the other day; along those lines people have
> less than 10 fingers on average.)
And most people have less than the average number of legs.
> > "I'm a typical great looking guy, who never believed any of the
> > letters in your forum section, until last week when my neighbour
> > Cynthia came over wearing a slinky low cut R-230 G-50 B-10 dress,
> > carrying a large bowl of whipping cream, a Dust Buster, two rolls
> > of aluminum foil and a poodle..."
>
> I guess I don't have to understand this,
A parody of the 'this happened to me!' type letters which (I'm told) are
common in some sexually related magazines.
>even though it sounds
> amusing, but I'd like to know what a Duster Buster is. :)
A Dust Buster is a small hand held vacuum cleaner. In the movie "Ruthless
People", the stupid assistant badguy would run the Dust Buster over the
slightly smarter badgal, while she pretended to be getting all turned on by
it.
> (Am also wondering how many arms that Cynthia person has to carry
> all that stuff...)
More than the average number:)
Karl Johanson
Sea Wasp
> Who decides any of this crap? I want their name, address,
> and five minutes alone with them.
>
You aren't cleared for that information, Citizen. Fnord.
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> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> Somehow or the other I once got onto their mailing list, and
>> received catalogs for about a year. Charming little objects, but
>> it was clear that in order to be able to wear their bras, you had
>> to have no boobs and thus need no bras.
>
>
> AOL!
>
> I think it's because everything they sell is padded, at least from what
> I've seen in the stores. They also cut their underwires very oddly.
>
The comments of most of the women I know are precisely the opposite.
Their models all are stacked. Speaking as a male, they certainly are.
More knockers there than in 90% of the women I know, at least in terms
of proportions.
Karl Johanson
news:c9su7o$1v2$1...@eri0.s8.isp.nyc.eggn.net...
> One day in Teletubbyland, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> said:
> >Yeah. The one that gets me every time, though, is "wine." Who
> >the hell decided that was always going to be used to describe
> >a shade of red rather than pale yellow or whatever the hell
> >color white wine is?
>
> My pet peeve is "hunter" for a shade of dark green.
>
> There's a word for hunters who go into the woods wearing dark green.
Dead.
I had trouble figuring out what was up with 'camoflage' when I first joined
the medics (this was before lots of people wore it). It makes the person
stand out (sometimes like a neon sign) to my eyes.
My uncle tends to bring bright orange cloth, to cover what he's carrying out
of the woods. Someone tried to shot a deer off of his back once.
Karl Johanson
Karl Johanson
news:HyuIC...@kithrup.com...
> In article <afydnZD8l7H...@speakeasy.net>,
> Kate Secor <aig...@nospam.pdti.net> wrote:
> >Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >
> [the pecularities of Victoria's Secret]
> >
> >I think it's because everything they sell is padded, at least from what
> >I've seen in the stores. They also cut their underwires very oddly.
>
> Oh, don't talk to me about underwires. I have never had an
> underwire that didn't lose its end caps and start digging into my
> side within a month, or break in the middle within three.
That me thinks of a new practicle joke, where you make bra under wires out
of nickle titanium alloy, designed to change shap at body temperature. This
will be bigger than the whoopie cushion!
Karl Johanson
Dorothy J Heydt
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>>> Somehow or the other I once got onto their mailing list, and
>>> received catalogs for about a year. Charming little objects, but
>>> it was clear that in order to be able to wear their bras, you had
>>> to have no boobs and thus need no bras.
>
> The comments of most of the women I know are precisely the opposite.
>Their models all are stacked. Speaking as a male, they certainly are.
>More knockers there than in 90% of the women I know, at least in terms
>of proportions.
As I said upthread, they have changed their model population
sometime between when I was on their mailing list and now. Now
they do indeed feature models with boobs. Not huge boobs, but
boobs at least. Back in the day, all their models were so
slender that the bras they wore were mere filmy ornament,
wearable only by those who could legitimately go braless.
Peter Meilinger
>In article <c9spb4$al0$4...@news3.bu.edu>,
>Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Not really. If a woman or a man trained in color identification
>>pointed to something and said "That's coral colored," I'd
>>look and think, "No, it's sort of pinkish-orange." If they
>>pointed to a slightly different shade and said, "That's XXX,"
>>I'd think, "No, it's a slightly different pinkish-orange."
>Where "XXX" is probably "salmon," unless it's "peach."
Thank you, I couldn't come up with an appropriate example.
And I do have an idea of what both salmon and peach would
look like, but in defense of my manliness let me state that
that's only because I've seen both salmon and peaches. I
don't mind too much when they use real-world things that
are generally a certain color, although as someone has
already said there's a lot of possible variation even
then. Apple Green was the example given, I think.
I don't like when they just make stuff up. I can't
actually think of any color examples just now, but it
happens a lot with scents, which are related to colors
since they get the same stereotypical male/female divide.
At the candle store, I don't mind scents like Rose, or
Cinnamon, or whatever. I don't even mind things like
Christmas, since the scents they use are definitely
tied to the general impression of Christmas that most
people have in their heads. I can't stand things like
Afternoon. Who decided what Afternoon smells like, and
why wasn't I consulted?
>>I can see the differences between various shades, at least
>>to an extent. I just can't see the need to name each and
>>every possible shade. Pinkish-orange, light-blue, dark-red,
>>stuff like that works just fine for me.
>Well, there's being able to distinguish one shade from another by
>eyeball, and there's being able to put names to each shade.
Yeah. And then there's being able to match up the same names
to the same colors the next time you see them.
>And then there's putting the same names to each shade that others
>have decided to put to them. Which is why marketers use
>variable names, everything from "peach" and "fawn" through
>"greige" and "breen" to "ashes-of-roses" and "Isabella," and
>printers and dyers and so on use codes, so they can tell what
>color they're really talking about.
As long as someone somewhere is keeping track of these things,
I suppose I can live with it. Not that I have a choice.
Pete
Kevin J. Maroney
wrote:
>My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
>beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
>beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
>
>Clearly, she has not inherited or developed my stern practicality.
How dare you insult people for being practical? On behalf of
white-underwear wearers everywhere, I demand an apology.
Oh. Wait.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Thanks loads.
Actually I've learned not even to attempt underwired bras.
Marty Helgesen
> On 2004-06-04, Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> > In article <vwB2iFEY...@shrdlu.com>, Bernard Peek <b...@shrdlu.com> wrote:
> >>In message <10c0k6f...@corp.supernews.com>, Karen Lofstrom
> >><lofs...@lava.net> writes
> >>>
> >>>My attitude towards female underwear is that it should be black, white, or
> >>>beige, so that you can mix-and-match different styles and brands. I go for
> >>>beige, as being *practical*, and buy the plainest things that fit.
> >
> > descent or mostly so) it approximately matches your skin, so if
> > your clothes are less than perfectly opaque the beige underwear
> > doesn't show against the beige skin.
>
> So it's better to seem to be not wearing underwear?
At the recent Cannes Film Festival Senator Kerry's daughter Alexandra,
a film-maker, appeared in a relatively sheer dress and no bra. For
details see http://www.snopes.com/photos/risque/kerry.asp
Some American papers printed the picture, at least some of them with a
black bar across her chest, but the media did not make a big thing out
of it. There was no reason for the media to make a big thing out of
it, but when one considers the way the media covered President Bush's
teen-aged daughters when they were acting like teen-agers a few years
ago it is likely that if one of his daughters were photographed like
that it would be a major story for a long time.
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wrote:
>If I had to grant coral being a colour, I'd associate it with actual
>corals, or rather the coral necklace that I used to have as a kid,
>and it's just some sort of medium-dark red with a pink touch.
Ah, but that's not the only coral. You've got the pinkish one, the
white one, the blue one. And that's just around here. The tropics have
many more varieties.
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David Dyer-Bennet
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>Something I often wondered about, is why name a specific colour after
>>something which isn't always that colour. For example, 'apple green'. Apples
>>come in all sorts of shades of green. Same with 'cherry red'. Similarly,
>>some foods are called one colour, when they aren't that colour. Purple
>>cabbage is sometimes called 'blue cabbage', for example.
>
> Yeah. The one that gets me every time, though, is "wine." Who
> the hell decided that was always going to be used to describe
> a shade of red rather than pale yellow or whatever the hell
> color white wine is?
>
> Who decides any of this crap? I want their name, address,
> and five minutes alone with them.
It's probably Homer's fault. The wine-dark sea, and all that. I
don't think they'd started making white wines back then.
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It was a black day when Laetitia Casta stopped modeling for Victoria's
Secret.
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Dorothy J Heydt
David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> writes:
>
>> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Something I often wondered about, is why name a specific colour after
>>>something which isn't always that colour. For example, 'apple green'. Apples
>>>come in all sorts of shades of green. Same with 'cherry red'. Similarly,
>>>some foods are called one colour, when they aren't that colour. Purple
>>>cabbage is sometimes called 'blue cabbage', for example.
>>
>> Yeah. The one that gets me every time, though, is "wine." Who
>> the hell decided that was always going to be used to describe
>> a shade of red rather than pale yellow or whatever the hell
>> color white wine is?
>>
>> Who decides any of this crap? I want their name, address,
>> and five minutes alone with them.
>
>It's probably Homer's fault. The wine-dark sea, and all that. I
>don't think they'd started making white wines back then.
And fresh water described as "black water." There've been papers
written on the paucity of color language in Homer, but I don't
have any references.
John C. Watson
"Lots42 The Library Avenger" <lot...@aol.comaol.com> wrote:
>> I was gonna say. And if we go with the odds and assume she's
>> straight, most guys wouldn't be able to identify the bra as
>> "coral" anyway. That's a color only women can see. Some
>> kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it? Goes fine with purple as
>> far as I'm concerned.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>
> By the time a straight guy sees a girl's bra, he really isn't quite concerned
> what the color is.
Personally, it *does* matter and I do notice. After one evening out I was
disappointed to find ochre, rather than elegant black... (Though here I'm
speaking not of bras, but panties.)
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Keith F. Lynch
> It's probably Homer's fault. The wine-dark sea, and all that.
Never trust a blind poet to describe the color of anything.
Especially when he doesn't even speak English.
"Homer, the sea isn't wine-dark."
"D'oh!"
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MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet...@fidonet.org, "Tina Hall"
<Tina...@kruemel.org> wrote:
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> "I'm a typical great looking guy, who never believed any of the
>> letters in your forum section, until last week when my neighbour
>> Cynthia came over wearing a slinky low cut R-230 G-50 B-10 dress,
>> carrying a large bowl of whipping cream, a Dust Buster, two rolls
>> of aluminum foil and a poodle..."
>
> I guess I don't have to understand this, even though it sounds
> amusing, but I'd like to know what a Duster Buster is. :)
A brand of battery powered hand vacuum cleaner, one that's been on the
market for over twenty years, and is manufactured by a major brand:
<http://www.blackanddecker.com/productguide/ProductListByBrand.aspx?RHID=775
Dorothy J Heydt
David Bilek <dtb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>It was a black day when Laetitia Casta stopped modeling for Victoria's
>Secret.
Please tell me, who is Laetitia Casta? There's a player character
by that name on one of the games I play, but I thought she had
just made the name up. (It's perfectly good Latin for Chaste
Joy.)
Nels Satterlund
> In article <Hyt3E...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>
>>In article <we6dncY-7Pv...@speakeasy.net>,
>>Kate Secor <aig...@nospam.pdti.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>Ah well, it's differences that make life interesting.
>>>
>>>My friend Caitlin's mother used to refuse to allow her to buy underwear
>>>that wasn't white, black, or beige, and cotton.
>>>
>>>This turned out to be useful when she got depressed and upset at her
>>>parents -- I'd drag her out to Victoria's Secret and make her buy
>>>scarlet silk bras and decadent black silk nighties, which seemed to
>>>cheer her up.
>>
>>Well, whatever works.
>>
>>>Underwear for me falls under the "purple socks" theory -- no matter how
>>>bad my day gets, I can almost always make myself feel a *little* bit
>>>better by sitting there and thinking "I have purple socks on!"
>>
>>I think this will work, or not work, according to whether you're
>>the type who, realizing "Everybody's looking at me!" start
>>feeling better, or worse.
>
>
> I don't think so. I read Aiglet's "purple socks" as equivalent to my own being
> pleased to know that I'm wearing (to choose a real example) multi-color
> tie-dyed boxer shorts, under circumstances where I don't expect anybody else to
> see them. It just pleases me to know I've got them on.
>
Or that my shirt, undies and socks match. On occasion when is has been
noted that my socks match my shirt I have replied that my undies match
but they were just going to have to trust me on that.
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Keith F. Lynch
> The one that gets me every time, though, is "wine." Who the hell
> decided that was always going to be used to describe a shade of red
> rather than pale yellow or whatever the hell color white wine is?
Maybe the same person who sold P.T. Barnum a "cherry colored cat"
sight unseen. (The cat was black.)
Tina Hall
>>> I have a shape like the Venus of Willendorf's grandmother and I
>>> don't care to display it.
>>
>> Now, without actually knowing what that granny might look like,
>> the image I get might be far worse than it actually is. ;)
> Well, you've seen the Venus of Willendorf, right?
I guess it is a painting, but no.
> Or pictures of her? Now imagine she was carved
So it's a statue and not a painting?
> of wax instead of reindeer bone or whatever, and it's a hot day
> and she's sagging.
I've got an image already, I just think it's probably far more
unfavourable than you intended. :)
From other posts (refering to your age and stuff) I guess your shape
is just somewhat similar to my grandmother's, though. With that
being the only common point, fortunately. (She'd never have
described herself as you do, for example, and was a rather
unpleasant person on the whole. I think she might have gotten a
heart-attack at the mere thought of what you wrote describing your
boobs for example. <g> She was still a virgin, technically,
according to her own words, never mind her 4 kids...)
>> Or t-shirts that fit tightly around the arm/shoulder and bite
>> into the armpit are horrid, those that can't be pulled down over
>> the bottom (to be stuffed into pants properly without sliding
>> back out) are, too.
> Oh, I never tuck T- or any other kind of shirts into pants, which
> would reveal the waistline I haven't got.
Even then, the t-shirt should under no circumstances be able to slip
up to uncover parts of the back or belly. That's nerve-grindingly
uncomfortable.
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Tina Hall
> Tina Hall <Tina...@kruemel.org> wrote:
>> Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
[coral]
>>> Some kind of pinkish-orange, isn't it?
>> Doesn't this sort of contradict your above statement that only
>> women can see it?
> Not really. If a woman or a man trained in color identification
> pointed to something and said "That's coral colored," I'd
> look and think, "No, it's sort of pinkish-orange." If they
> pointed to a slightly different shade and said, "That's XXX,"
> I'd think, "No, it's a slightly different pinkish-orange."
Ah, ok. We agree then. It's some sort of pinkish-orange (I'll take
your word for it that some people would call it coral).
> I can see the differences between various shades, at least
> to an extent. I just can't see the need to name each and
> every possible shade. Pinkish-orange, light-blue, dark-red,
> stuff like that works just fine for me.
Indeed. There's far more interesting and even important information
to store, than a whole dictionary of colours. And then there's the
problem that different people might name them differently [*], and
you end up with more confusion than less, so it's pretty pointless
anyway.
[*] I end up naming stuff that some people would call yellow, green,
or maybe the other way round. Usually with LEDs only, though.
> I'm not sure where I picked up the knowledge that what
> some call coral is pinkish-orange, but that's about as
> far as I can identify it. I used to be able to determine
> cornflower from all the other blues, but I think I might
> have lost the ability from underuse.
Wouldn't have thought cornflower is blue, but I can't come up with
the appropriate flower the colour might have gotten its name from.
For years I've had problems figuring out what 'tawny' is (a common
hair colour in some books it seems) until I finally found a
dictionary that told me. Similar with horse-colours (in fantasy
stories). I don't understand most of them. What's bay? (That's one
that I remember not knowing.)
> I think I'm still good with teal, though.
What's teal?
> I worked in a warehouse dealing with women's clothing one
> summer. That might be where my rudimentary knowledge of
> chick colors came from.
You have my sympathies, to be so corrupted with irrelevant
information without a defense. ;)
Tina Hall
> [the pecularities of Victoria's Secret]
>> They also cut their underwires very oddly.
> Oh, don't talk to me about underwires. I have never had an
> underwire that didn't lose its end caps and start digging into my
> side within a month, or break in the middle within three.
See, that's a problem I don't have to deal with, having dispensed
with bras long ago (because they're uncomfortable) and settled on
sports-tops instead. I am aware that that won't work for other
sizes, of course. (Too small and it'd all end up squashed flat, too
big and it'd not hold properly.)
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Tina Hall
>> I'd rather promote another rule. Dispense with the decimal
>> system. Teach kids binary (written in hexadecimal to save
>> space). It's only complicated because 'no one' is used to it.
>> Once you know how it goes, it should actually be easier. And it
>> makes more sense.
> A few friends & I used to have races to see who could count up to
> 11,111 on one hand.
:) I think I'd lose count of my fingers trying to do that (lacking
the appropriate dexterity, or at least the practice).
> (There are 10 types of people in this world...)
Indeed.
>> (Heh, that reminds me of some 'anecdotal fact' I read the other
>> day; along those lines people have less than 10 fingers on
>> average.)
> And most people have less than the average number of legs.
The 'anecdotal fact' I'd read did actually say that on average
people have less than 2 legs.
>>> "I'm a typical great looking guy, who never believed any of the
>>> letters in your forum section, until last week when my
>>> neighbour Cynthia came over wearing a slinky low cut R-230 G-50
>>> B-10 dress, carrying a large bowl of whipping cream, a Dust
>>> Buster, two rolls of aluminum foil and a poodle..."
>>
>> I guess I don't have to understand this,
> A parody of the 'this happened to me!' type letters which (I'm
> told) are common in some sexually related magazines.
Ah. I was blissfully unaware of such letters, with any kind of
magazines not being anywhere on my reading list... :)
The last letters to magazines I read with interest, as a teenager,
where those seeking advice in some kid/teenager magazine (which my
stuffy grandmother declared porno and forbid me to buy them, and my
'mother' supplied a whole stack of from a neighbour at one of the
times I lived with her <g>).
>> even though it sounds amusing, but I'd like to know what a Duster
>> Buster is. :)
> A Dust Buster is a small hand held vacuum cleaner. In the movie
> "Ruthless People", the stupid assistant badguy would run the Dust
> Buster over the slightly smarter badgal, while she pretended to
> be getting all turned on by it.
Now that's weird. Is that a comedy movie or something?
>> (Am also wondering how many arms that Cynthia person has to
>> carry all that stuff...)
> More than the average number:)
Hehe. So with a number close to 10? :)
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