The Erosion Of Heterosexuality
tim jones
Psychiatry falters, America sleeps
By Charles W. Socarides, M.D.
Homosexuality cannot create a society or keep one going for very long.
It operates against the cohesive elements of society. The sexes are
driven in opposite directions, and no society can long endure when
either the child is neglected or the sexes war with each other. Those
who reinforce the disintegrating elements in our society will get no
thanks from future generations.
A significant portion of society today holds the belief that
homosexuality is a normal form of sexual behavior different from, but
equal to, that of heterosexuality. Many religious leaders, public
officials, educators, social and mental health agencies--including
those at the highest level of government, departments of psychiatry
and
psychology, and mental health clinics--have been taken in by a wide
spread sexual egalitarianism and by accusations of being undemocratic
or prejudiced if they do not accept certain assertions that are thrust
upon them, as if they were deprived of all intellectual capacity to
judge and reason.
This revolutionary change in our sexual mores and customs has been
ushered in by a single act of considerable consequence: The removal of
homosexuality from the category of aberrancy by the American
Psychiatric Association in 1973. It is, furthermore, a fateful
consequence of our disregard for established psychoanalytic knowledge
of human sexual behavior.
This act was naively perceived by many psychiatrists as the "simple"
elimination of a scientific diagnosis in order to correct injustices.
In reality, it created injustices for the homosexual and his family,
as
it belied the truth and prevented the homosexual from seeking and
receiving help. At the social, group, and community level, it proved
to
be the opening phase of a two-phase sexual radicalization; the second
phase being the raising of homosexuality to the level of an
alternative
lifestyle--an acceptable psychosexual institution--alongside
heterosexuality as a prevailing norm of behavior.
The motivating force behind this movement was the wish to protect the
homosexual against injustices and persecution. This could have been
legitimately effected by the demand for equal rights for the
homosexual, a demand arising from the humanitarian philosophy so
deeply
embedded in our humanistic science. Instead, the false step of
removing
homosexuality from our manual was substituted. This amounted to a full
approval of homosexuality and an encouragement to aberrancy by those
who should have known better, both in the scientific sense and in the
sense of the social consequences of such removal.
To many American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling
reminder
that if scientific principles are not fought for they can be lost--a
disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science,
we
are subject to the snares of political factionalism and to the
propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to
the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences.
The devastating clinical fallout from this decision was yet to follow.
Those who would prefer to retain homosexuality as a valid diagnosis
have been essentially silenced in lectures, meetings, and
publications;
a silencing that originates both within our association and from other
sources as well. Political parties and religious leaders have been
utilized to reinforce this silence. The press has been influenced in
addition to the electronic media. Television and movies promote
homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle and censor movies that might
show homosexuality as a disorder. Homosexual sex education has entered
our schools and colleges; pro-gay activists--homosexual or
otherwise--portray their way of life as normal and as "American as
apple pie," while intimidating those with different views.
In essence, this movement has accomplished what every other society,
with rare exceptions, would have trembled to tamper with: a revision
of
the basic code and concept of life and biology, that men and women
normally mate with those of the opposite sex and not with each other.
This psychiatric nonsense and social recklessness bring with it many
individual tragedies, as men and women who no longer appreciate their
own appropriate sexual roles create confusion in the very young for
generations to come. Gender identity disturbance is bound to increase,
and more true homosexual deviations result as parents distort the
maleness or femaleness of their infants and children.
Young men and women with relatively minor sexual fears are led with
equanimity by some psychiatrists and non-medical counselors into a
self
despising pattern and lifestyle. Adolescents, nearly all of whom
experience some degree of uncertainty as to sexual identity, are
discouraged from assuming that one form of gender identity is
preferable to another. Those persons who already have a homosexual
problem are discouraged from finding their way out of self destructive
fantasy, discouraged from learning to accept themselves as male or
female.
The forces allied against heterosexuality are formidable and
unrelenting. Charges of being "undemocratic," "cruel and inhuman," or
"irresponsible, homophobic, and prejudiced," are leveled at those who
would question the normality of homosexuality. These accusations are
then reinforced by the media and motion pictures, and render the
ordinary citizen who disapproves of such practices (as well as
faint-hearted members of the psychiatric and psychological
professions)
mute before their onslaught.
The counteraction for such forces is the knowledge that
heterosexuality
has self-evident, adaptive value. Man is not only a sexual animal, but
a care-bonding, group-bonding, and child-rearing animal. The
male-female design is taught to the child from birth and culturally
ingrained through the marital order. The male-female design is thus
perpetually maintained and it is only overwhelming fear or man's false
pride and misdirected individual enterprise that can disturb or divert
it.
Zacharias Mulletstein
livvy
Not clear what it is you want, took up a lot of space, yammering about
some article, read it, really scary in the face of it.....interesting,
yet expecting kids to grow up in a "The male-female design is thus
perpetually maintained and it is only overwhelming fear or man's
false
pride and misdirected individual enterprise " Wasn't this a PBS
scene in "Fargo"? A kid's a kid.....
Settle down....how old are you? Chances are you won't be around long
enough to waste so much effort on exhaustive matters that will still
be around long after you are dead. Take care of what you can and
those who are around you today. Let the "significant portion of
society" do what suits their needs, you do yours, and have a
season. In whatever regard. Take care, look both ways before you
cross the street, treat your local library well, treat the people in
your home even better, stop lecturing. This isn't school. Not even
close. Happy Holidays.
Ray Fischer
>The Erosion Of Heterosexuality
Just because YOU are on the brink of coming out as a flaming
homosexual doesn't mean that everybody else is. Many of us have no
interest in people of the same sex regardless of the availability.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Bill Swears
default line?
Bill
--
Living on the polemic may be temporarily satisfying, but it will raise
your blood-pressure, and gives you tunnel vision.
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Lars Eighner
<5c77a336-3ca4-4d41...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented tim jones
broadcast on alt.atheism:
> The Erosion Of Heterosexuality
> Psychiatry falters, America sleeps
> By Charles W. Socarides, M.D.
> Homosexuality cannot create a society or keep one going for very long.
Strawman. No one is making this claim.
> It operates against the cohesive elements of society.
Well, no, it is homophobia that works agaist the unity of a society.
> The sexes are driven in opposite directions,
Completely unsupported assertion.
> and no society can long endure when either the child is neglected or the
> sexes war with each other.
Strawmen.
> Those who reinforce the disintegrating elements in our society will get no
> thanks from future generations.
The disintegrating element is homophobia.
> A significant portion of society today holds the belief that homosexuality
> is a normal form of sexual behavior different from, but equal to, that of
> heterosexuality.
That would be also the significant portion of professional organizations
which stripped you of credentials for your persistent homophobia.
> Many religious leaders, public officials, educators, social and mental
> health agencies--including those at the highest level of government,
> departments of psychiatry and psychology, and mental health clinics--have
> been taken in by a wide spread sexual egalitarianism and by accusations of
> being undemocratic or prejudiced if they do not accept certain assertions
> that are thrust upon them, as if they were deprived of all intellectual
> capacity to judge and reason.
Sucks to be on the wrong end when science sorts things out, doesn't it?
> This revolutionary change in our sexual mores and customs has been ushered
> in by a single act of considerable consequence: The removal of
> homosexuality from the category of aberrancy by the American Psychiatric
> Association in 1973. It is, furthermore, a fateful consequence of our
> disregard for established psychoanalytic knowledge of human sexual
> behavior.
The world has survived plenty of revolutionary changes that set aside
established beliefs: the Earth is round, the Sun is the center of the solar
system, there is no luminous ether, there are more elements than fire, air,
earth and water, which are not elements after all.
> This act was naively perceived by many psychiatrists as the "simple"
> elimination of a scientific diagnosis in order to correct injustices.
"Injustices" had nothing to do with it. Science showed that prevaling
opinions lack a factual basis and opinions were replaced by facts.
--
Lars Eighner *Atheist #1965* use...@larseighner.com <http://larseighner.com/>
389.7 hours since Warbama declared Viet Nam II.
Warbama: An LBJ for the Twenty-First century. No hope. No change.
juanjo
> The Erosion Of Heterosexuality
>
> Psychiatry falters, America sleeps
>
> By Charles W. Socarides, M.D.
>
A long discredited old fart whose opinions have been rejected for
years by mainstream psychiatry and psychology.
James A. Donald
wrote:
> Has somebody from RASFC been replying to these, or are we just on a
> default line?
A bit of both. I plead guilty to feeding the trolls.
anonymous
>
> Psychiatry falters, America sleeps
>
> By Charles W. Socarides, M.D.
>
> Homosexuality cannot create a society or keep one going for very long.
You are absolutely right. Homosexuals are useless in terms of
reproduction.
It is the heteroseuxal that produces all of society including all of
society's homoesxuals.
> It operates against the cohesive elements of society. The sexes are
> driven in opposite directions, and no society can long endure when
> either the child is neglected or the sexes war with each other. Those
> who reinforce the disintegrating elements in our society will get no
> thanks from future generations.
>
The difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals is that homosexuals
would never argue about who is taking the dog for a walk or who is
taking the garbage out. It just wouldn't happen. It is something that
happens all the time if you are around heteroseuxals.
One of the first things that homosexual appreciate is that each child
costs 200,000 dollars per child over a 17 year period for each child.
That is a lot of house buying money, a lot of redecorating money, a lot
of travel money, a lot of gardening money.
Heterosexuals 99 percent of the time produce offspring whether they can
afford to produce offspring or not or afford to feed the offspirng or
not as is the case in some countries. That is someting no homosexual
understands regardless of which country he lives in or was raised in.
> A significant portion of society today holds the belief that
> homosexuality is a normal form of sexual behavior different from, but
> equal to, that of heterosexuality.
Well, with the exception that a man doesn't have a vagina, it is all the
same. All the other holes are used for sex in women and men - mouth and
anus. Men don't squirt their semen on the other guy's face but
heterosexual men like to do that to women, especially squirt it in
women's eyes. Homoexuals don't understand that.
> Many religious leaders, public
> officials, educators, social and mental health agencies--including
> those at the highest level of government, departments of psychiatry
> and psychology, and mental health clinics--have been taken in by a wide
> spread sexual egalitarianism and by accusations of being undemocratic
> or prejudiced if they do not accept certain assertions that are thrust
> upon them, as if they were deprived of all intellectual capacity to
> judge and reason.
>
Thank you, sir, for using pronouns and leaving the entire paragraph
meaningless. Less commentary is necessary if you keep your remarks to
pronoun use only.
> This revolutionary change in our sexual mores and customs has been
> ushered in by a single act of considerable consequence: The removal of
> homosexuality from the category of aberrancy by the American
> Psychiatric Association in 1973.
Bisexual men screw men in the ass since they were probably 16 or 18 and
do so until they die. Bisexual men have been doing that since Adam and
Even. There is no problem to such sexual activity - unless one eats
cornflakes in bed!
> It is, furthermore, a fateful
> consequence of our disregard for established psychoanalytic knowledge
> of human sexual behavior.
Thanks again for the pronouns. I am guessing in the behavour is that
men come home drunk, unwashed, uncircumcised in some cases and force
their women to have sex with them. Awesome behaviour.
>
> This act was naively perceived by many psychiatrists as the "simple"
> elimination of a scientific diagnosis in order to correct injustices.
> In reality, it created injustices for the homosexual and his family,
> as
> it belied the truth and prevented the homosexual from seeking and
> receiving help.
Homosexuals who have the right of marriage and all other protections
don't need help.
Homosexuals are among the happiest people on the planet. Just ask a
homosexual, he will tell you how good life is any day of the week. Try
that with a heterosexual guy who likely isn't getting a blowjob every
morning, or even vaginal sex. The wife will complain he doesn't bring
home enough money. What do you think lunch rooms are for at work.
They are for heterosexual males and females to complain about life
several times a day. Homosexuals usually don't visit them because they
have nothing to complain about.
> At the social, group, and community level, it proved
> to
> be the opening phase of a two-phase sexual radicalization; the second
> phase being the raising of homosexuality to the level of an
> alternative
> lifestyle--an acceptable psychosexual institution--alongside
> heterosexuality as a prevailing norm of behavior.
Again, remember, if heterosexuals didn't produce offspring there would
be no homosexuals produced. Next you need to know that the life of a
homosexual is as good as it gets.
How can you know that if you aren't a homosexual and you don't know any
homosexuals.
Well, talk to any heterosexuals you envy that are having a good life.
I mean every heterosexual buys tickets on the lottery hoping to win
their way out of the marriage. Most homosexuals don't buy them because
they have enough money and they don't want to change their awesome
life. Ever found a book in a bookstore or library that describes the
awesome life of heterosexuals or the autobiography of an awesome happy
heterosexual. Not likely. No homosexual could imagine having a billion
like Tiger Woods and being married, but leaving that aside, even if the
homosexual was married, he would have had a open marriage of safe sex,
and lots of fun both in and out of bed.
>
> The motivating force behind this movement was the wish to protect the
> homosexual against injustices and persecution.
Hey, Canada did it right. All canadians are equal whether it is an east
indian who wants to wear a turben instead of a motorcycle helmet or a
homo who wants to get married. Oh, yes, and heterosexuals can get
married and hurry off to divorce court where the wife gets half the
assets of the marriage whether she washed her husband's dirty underwear
with skidmarks or not.
Life is good in Canada. Muslims can't believe how good it is. No
problems with mosques, or hibjabs etc.
> This could have been
> legitimately effected by the demand for equal rights for the
> homosexual, a demand arising from the humanitarian philosophy so
> deeply
> embedded in our humanistic science.
Look at your history. Firstly, men owned women and forced them as sex
and domestic slaves as the lived in caves and dirty shacks in the mud
ponds of the world as it developed. Then in time women got the right to
vote and they voted themselves the right
to divorce and to get an education and work. That made them equal to
men. The world is awesome now that women are equal. Homosexuals will
have to work a little harder to get the same thing because neither a
heterosexual man or woman need a homosexual. Homosexuals are a
self-contained society. While they may not reproduce and leave that to
heterosexuals to replentish their stock, they live an awesome life and
will eventually get equal rights in most civilized countries as they
have in Canada.
> Instead, the false step of
> removing
> homosexuality from our manual was substituted. This amounted to a full
> approval of homosexuality and an encouragement to aberrancy by those
> who should have known better, both in the scientific sense and in the
> sense of the social consequences of such removal.
>
How much money would it take a heterosexal to blow a another guy? How
much money would it take for a heteroseual to have a penis penetrate his
rectum?
The anwer is that if Tiger Woods gave him his billion dollars, the guy
would still say no. You cannot make or buy a guy to be a homosexual of
any age. One is either a heterosexual or a homosexual or a bit of
both.
> To many American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling
> reminder
> that if scientific principles are not fought for they can be lost--a
> disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science,
> we
> are subject to the snares of political factionalism and to the
> propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to
> the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences.
>
What do straight guys talk about? They talk about sex. Boring.
Homosexuals get sex whenever they want and they don't have to marry a
woman and have her say no, not now to
get or try to get sex. Homosexuals don't have to have children. Most
women insist that their husband give them babies at a cost of 200,000
dollars each and then the wife wants a bigger house in a better
neighbourhood.
> The devastating clinical fallout from this decision was yet to follow.
> Those who would prefer to retain homosexuality as a valid diagnosis
> have been essentially silenced in lectures, meetings, and
> publications;
> a silencing that originates both within our association and from other
> sources as well. Political parties and religious leaders have been
> utilized to reinforce this silence. The press has been influenced in
> addition to the electronic media. Television and movies promote
> homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle and censor movies that might
> show homosexuality as a disorder. Homosexual sex education has entered
> our schools and colleges; pro-gay activists--homosexual or
> otherwise--portray their way of life as normal and as "American as
> apple pie," while intimidating those with different views.
>
>
There is no reason to try to make homosexuals suffer like
heterosexuals. If a het male wants to marry, have babies, get a
divorce, have children costing 200,000 each, don't blame homosexuals for
that.
> In essence, this movement has accomplished what every other society,
> with rare exceptions, would have trembled to tamper with: a revision
> of
> the basic code and concept of life and biology, that men and women
> normally mate with those of the opposite sex and not with each other.
That is not a bad thing that heterosexual mate and produce a homosexual
child for every 10 offspring produced. Homosexuals couldn't survive
without the generous offerings of homosexual adult males who start
looking for lovers and sex partners from the age of about 19 or 20 in
college or in the working world. The world is over populated, women
want at least two babies and homosexuals don't have to do anything
except screw like rabbits.
> This psychiatric nonsense and social recklessness bring with it many
> individual tragedies, as men and women who no longer appreciate their
> own appropriate sexual roles create confusion in the very young for
> generations to come.
Oh, no, buddy, don't bame that one on homosexuals. While the church
spent billions on fighting homoseuxal marriages globally, big
corporations around the world took the opportunity to screw the
heterosexual male by destroying his ability to save money by dropping
the world's saving rates from 10 percent down to 1 or 2 percent. Then
the busienss world farmed out his job to cheaper countries, destroyed
unions so the husband had no protection, hired professionals from other
countries so they could shut down lots of adult educational facilities,
screwed around with the guys pensions, made sure that lots of men had
parttime jobs. Where was Focus on the Family during this? Where was
the Pope? Why weren't they denouncing such global anctions that would
destory the family unit. Men were in such unstable situations that the
wife had to enter the workforce, have babies when she could and find a
women to look after her babies while she and her husband worked. So
even heterosexuals didn't look after and protect their heteroseual
lifestyle. The spent thier time hating homosexuals while homosexuals
workd and travelled the world when they weren't redecorating or tending
to their garden of eden.
> Gender identity disturbance is bound to increase,
> and more true homosexual deviations result as parents distort the
> maleness or femaleness of their infants and children.
>
Disturbance isn't the word. It is men who spend their life in bars, the
office, on the road, anywhere but with their sons. So the sons live
with, smell women, see only women, are surrounded only by women. The
women keep them from other boys because every boy in her mind is a bad
influence on her son. So the guy grows up with little or no contact
with boys until he goes to school then he doesn't act or think like
other little boys do but it is too late, he is already a homo in his
thinking. Worse is the father see the weird habits of this particular
child and avoids that child altogether so the male child has even less
contact with his father and his brothers love their homo brother but
they avoid the kid, too, unless it is a family event. Nice, isn't it.
> Young men and women with relatively minor sexual fears are led with
> equanimity by some psychiatrists and non-medical counselors into a
> self
> despising pattern and lifestyle.
You can't change a homosexual or a heterosexual. You can look at most
kids and tell whether they will be homo or het by the age of 4, but
often much earlier.
> Adolescents, nearly all of whom
> experience some degree of uncertainty as to sexual identity, are
> discouraged from assuming that one form of gender identity is
> preferable to another.
Kids will be kids. They will experiment. A gay buddy can blow his
straight buddy every
morning at boarding school and the straight buddy will still be
straight. A gay buddy can fuck the anus of his straight buddy every
morning at boarding school whether the straight guy hates it or puts up
with it, but at the end of the day, month, year or decade, he will still
want sex with women, women he is attracted to. It might be possible for
some guys to want their women to peg them, ie get strap on and fuck them
in the butt, but they are still straight guys. Get it? There is no
such thing as conversion. Can you be converted? Of course not.
> Those persons who already have a homosexual
> problem are discouraged from finding their way out of self destructive
> fantasy, discouraged from learning to accept themselves as male or
> female.
>
Something that is possible today that wasn't too possible in the past is
that people can change their gender by having differnt organs like a
vagina instead of a penis or a penis instead of a vagina. That is
beyond the scope of my knowledge or understanding.
There are lots of homoseuals who don't want the discomfort of being
hated for being a homo by the rest of the world. They usually fake it
and marry a woman or stay single or closeted, become a priest. Those
options have existed since the beginning of time and still exist.
> The forces allied against heterosexuality are formidable and
> unrelenting. Charges of being "undemocratic," "cruel and inhuman," or
> "irresponsible, homophobic, and prejudiced," are leveled at those who
> would question the normality of homosexuality.
There is nothing normal about homoseuxality in the same way there is
nothing normal about a woman and man who don't let their sons grow up
with a proper balance of influence or parents who abandon their children
emotionally, etc.
When is the last time a mother or father said I think my 4 year old son
might be gay so I am doing to be spending more time with him so whether
he turns out gay or not I will be there for him to make his entry into
adult life an awesome experience. Doesn't happen.
> These accusations are
> then reinforced by the media and motion pictures, and render the
> ordinary citizen who disapproves of such practices (as well as
> faint-hearted members of the psychiatric and psychological
> professions)
> mute before their onslaught.
>
When talking about motion pictures, just google "free porn videos" and
you will see not gay vidoes because they are never free, but you will
see het vidoes where men treat women like a piece of meat, squire cum in
their eyes, shove their penis in their mouth, anus and vagina - billions
of vidoes free on the internet and in video stores. What has
heterosexual society done about those movies and their availability?
Absolutely zero in every country on the planet. That is harder to
explain than Adam and Eve and the Bible.
> The counteraction for such forces is the knowledge that
> heterosexuality
> has self-evident, adaptive value. Man is not only a sexual animal, but
> a care-bonding, group-bonding, and child-rearing animal.
Man sends their young to die in the war so the old man can survive.
Some people eat their offspring when starving just like animals.
> The
> male-female design is taught to the child from birth and culturally
> ingrained through the marital order.
No that is not the case. If that were the case there would be no
homosexuals.
Lots of men abandon the family except for his paycheck.
hielan' laddie
(in article <G_6dnTIB-6cMu7bW...@posted.mtasolutions>):
> Has somebody from RASFC been replying to these, or are we just on a
> default line?
>
> Bill
I have alt.politics.homosexuality in my filter list, so until you replied to
this particular message, trimming the newsgroups but not the actual idiocy, I
hadn't seen any of it.
Please trim the bullshit if you must reply to it without
alt.politics.homosexuality in the newsgroups line.
Thank you.
thomas p.
> The Erosion Of Heterosexuality
Where do they get all that straw?
snip of pseudoscientific bullshit.
Democrat Congress Page
Bill Swears <wsw...@gci.net> wrote:
>
> Please don't send these to RASFC. We don't care, spam is in violation
> our FAQ, and you really don't need a new forum in which to air your
> grievances.
>
> WBS
1. It's not spam.
2. RASFC is a fag haven.
3. It's on topic.