Corny Pickup Lines
Book Mage
plus horror, and satire. My main protagonist is a cocky little rogue
that suffers from a unique curse (at least I have never heard of anyone
using it). Without going into the full details, his curse forces him
fall in love (in one of its many forms) for a short duration everyday.
The random objects of his affection are typically ugly, unavailable, or
inanimate. While suffering from his uncontrolled amore, he expresses
his love usually with catastrophic results. The problem I want to avoid
is reusing the same come-ons over and over again, I would like to keep
them lively, short, and humorous.
What I would like get from each of you is the pickup lines that you
might have used or have heard, the cornier the better. I would like to
get the full range from subtle to bold, the insecure to the
overconfident (please keep them somewhat clean). Hopefully I get a
flood of replies from this one, please send me your old come-ons and
corny pickup lines.
Thanks
Book Mage
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Dorothy J Heydt
Book Mage <book...@xprt.net> wrote:
>Currently, I am working on a action comedy with swashbuckling elements,
>plus horror, and satire. My main protagonist is a cocky little rogue
>that suffers from a unique curse (at least I have never heard of anyone
>using it). Without going into the full details, his curse forces him
>fall in love (in one of its many forms) for a short duration everyday.
>The random objects of his affection are typically ugly, unavailable, or
>inanimate.
<blink>
Yes, that's what I thought you said.
Did you get the idea from the opera "The Love for Three Oranges"?
While suffering from his uncontrolled amore, he expresses
>his love usually with catastrophic results. The problem I want to avoid
>is reusing the same come-ons over and over again, I would like to keep
>them lively, short, and humorous.
Oh, I can see wide possibilities. You might also, if you care
to, include in his geas the tendency to think of puns and
wisecracks and to send them off before he stops to think how they
would sound. This means if his vis-a-vis today is human, his
wisecracking will piss her off, and if not, he will just look
dumb. But what you could do is make each pick-up line a pun on
the nature of the object of today's affection.
I cannot supply you with any specific pick-up lines, I did not
collect many in my vanished youth, but I bet you'll get lots of
suggestions from the group.
(If it's three oranges, OTOH, he might just pick them up and
crush them to his manly chest, orange juice all over the place,
suitable grief on his part till the geas goes off.)
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt
Michael Adams
Book Mage <book...@xprt.net> wrote in message
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>
> What I would like get from each of you is the pickup lines that you
> might have used or have heard, the cornier the better. I would like to
> get the full range from subtle to bold, the insecure to the
> overconfident (please keep them somewhat clean). Hopefully I get a
> flood of replies from this one, please send me your old come-ons and
> corny pickup lines.
Well, I heard this one someplace; I don't know where it's from, but it might
suit your purposes.
Guy says to girl, "Hey, you know what, my heart is beating real fast. Wanna
check my pulse?" He holds out his hand.
And no, I have better sense then to use that, even if I am 15. :)
Ayende Rahien
every weedend (usually homorist).
Maybe they've archives of it, I don't know. I don't visit their site.
"Book Mage" <book...@xprt.net> wrote in message
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> Currently, I am working on a action comedy with swashbuckling elements,
> plus horror, and satire. My main protagonist is a cocky little rogue
> that suffers from a unique curse (at least I have never heard of anyone
> using it). Without going into the full details, his curse forces him
> fall in love (in one of its many forms) for a short duration everyday.
> The random objects of his affection are typically ugly, unavailable, or
> inanimate. While suffering from his uncontrolled amore, he expresses
> his love usually with catastrophic results. The problem I want to avoid
> is reusing the same come-ons over and over again, I would like to keep
> them lively, short, and humorous.
>
> What I would like get from each of you is the pickup lines that you
> might have used or have heard, the cornier the better. I would like to
> get the full range from subtle to bold, the insecure to the
> overconfident (please keep them somewhat clean). Hopefully I get a
> flood of replies from this one, please send me your old come-ons and
> corny pickup lines.
>
Chad Ryan Thomas
>might have used or have heard, the cornier the better.
A friend used this one years ago, and it actually worked:
<Calling out to random female passerby> "Hey, you single?"
****** Chad Ryan Thomas *********** crth...@asu.edu ******
/ "I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be\
\ content." -- St. Paul (Phil. 4:11, KJV) /
*********** http://www.public.asu.edu/~crthomas ***********
JE Anderson
Book Mage wrote:
> What I would like get from each of you is the pickup lines that you
> might have used or have heard, the cornier the better. I would like to
> get the full range from subtle to bold, the insecure to the
> overconfident (please keep them somewhat clean). Hopefully I get a
> flood of replies from this one, please send me your old come-ons and
> corny pickup lines.
>
Okaaaay, but remember you asked for this ;-)
1) Nice dress - it would look great on my bedroom floor
and the classic
2) If I told you you have a great body, would you hold it against me?
No guarantees these are just the two I remember best - a side note I
personally react way more positively to funny lines than to "lounge lizard"
lines.
Janet Anderson
John Kensmark
of time in bars. Many of my friends were bartenders, and, hell, I'm
a writer. Aren't we supposed to spend time in bars?
Better *in* bars than behind them, anyway. Because I was generally
at these bars to talk to the bartenders, I overheard a lot of
conversation, including pick-up lines. After wracking my brain, I
respectfully submit some of PG-rated the ones I remember. Yes, many
pick-up lines are R-rated. Some of the more memorable R-rated ones
appear at the end of this post, after some blank space. I've been
pretty conservative with the ratings, for the sake of gentility.
Many of these don't necessarily qualify as "corny", per se, but they
seem pretty bad, at least.
You must be tired, because you've been running through my
dreams.
Have you seen a Congressional Medal of Honor around here? I
seem to have dropped mine.
Do you believe in love at first sight, or should I wait until
next time I see you?
Was it hard for you to get into those pants? Will it be hard
for me?
Have we met before? (No.) Damn!
I should send a thank-you note to your mother for doing such
good work.
If I said you have a great body, would you hold it against me?
Yes; some of these are ancient but still in circulation.
What do you like for breakfast?
I understand this is one (above) of a variation of popular Japanese
pickup lines; in Japan, saying, "Would you like coffee?" can be an
invitation for sex.
I'm curious. Have you ever been with a man who made your
teeth sweat?
Can you see my underwear? Would you like to?
(Spoken by a woman, in this case.)
I've been watching you from across the room, and I thought it
was about time we both got a closer look.
Do you know what winks and screws like an animal? (No.)
[winks]
Hi. But enough about me. Let's talk about you. What do you
think of me so far?
Do you go home with strangers? (No.) Then let me introduce
myself.
Are you looking for someone nice? If not, how about me?
They say milk does a body good. How much have you been
drinking?
Don't drink that! Drinking that can give you very large
breasts. Oh no! I'm too late!
If I could rearrange the alphabet, I'd put U and I together.
This place is a meat market. You must be the prime rib.
I never have sex without mutual consent. You have my consent.
Pardon me, but I seem to have lost my phone number. Can I
borrow yours?
I'm sorry miss, but you'll have to leave. You're making the
other women look bad.
How about if we go behind a rock and get a little boulder?
Do you believe in the hereafter? Then you can probably guess
what I'm here after.
Those clothes are nice on you, but they'd look even better
on my floor.
I don't think you should be wearing those pants. Can I talk
you out of them?
I'm really enjoying myself tonight, but that's not what I
had in mind.
Can you cheer me up? I just inherited fifty million
dollars, but my doctors says I have a weak heart.
May I end this sentence with a proposition?
Don't you know me? (No.) You poor, poor girl.
Probably too clever to do most people any good:
If I were to ask you to sleep with me, would your answer be
the same as to this question?
My personal favorite, of the ones I've overheard, this one was used
by a friend of mine:
I should warn you: I'm wearing boxer shorts, and I know
how to use them.
**************************************
POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE MATERIAL FOLLOWS
**************************************
Ones I've heard in use actually get a lot smuttier than these, but
most of the smuttier ones aren't very good.
Do you have any Italian in you? Would you like some?
(Or, "Would you like some more?)
Did you know there are 206 bones in the human body? Would
you like another one?
This guy actually used some other, hopelessly inaccurate number, but
the young woman in question didn't seem to know any better. Or
maybe she just didn't care.
Do you know the difference between sex and dinner? (No.)
Would you like to have dinner?
For a fat chick, you have small breasts.
(Said to a thin woman with large breasts. She laughed very
hard at this.)
Hi. Do you want to see something really swell?
My name's [whatever]. You might want to practice, because
you'll
be screaming it later.
I was going to tell you a joke so funny that your breasts
would fall off, but I guess you've already heard it.
(Why, exactly, this is a pick-up line is beyond me, but I
heard it more than once.)
Nice legs. What time do they open?
Stand back--you go get an ambulance, and I'll loosen her
clothes.
And, probably funniest (if you were there) although hardly politic:
What's your sign? Is it 'yield'?
In this instance, the girl replied, "It's 'Do Not Cross Median'."
If she'd liked him, she might've said "Dangerous Curves" or, heaven
forfend, "Slippery When Wet". After her reply, the guy's friend
said, "Warning: Bitch freezes before road." If I'd known her, I
might've hit one of them, but they left anyway. This wouldn't
really work for a fantasy novel that doesn't include modern US road
signs, though.
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
To move forward, sell your Zeppelin.
-- actual fortune cookie message
Brenda
John Kensmark wrote:
> I used to live in Orlando, and although I don't drink, I spent a lot
> of time in bars. Many of my friends were bartenders, and, hell, I'm
> a writer. Aren't we supposed to spend time in bars?
>
> Better *in* bars than behind them, anyway. Because I was generally
> at these bars to talk to the bartenders, I overheard a lot of
> conversation, including pick-up lines.
<huge list of lines snipped>
What a dreadfully misspent life you have led, John!
Brenda
--
---------
Brenda W. Clough, author of DOORS OF DEATH AND LIFE
From Tor Books in May 2000
http://www.sff.net/people/Brenda/
Thomas Lynch
> might have used or have heard, the cornier the better. I would like to
> get the full range from subtle to bold, the insecure to the
> overconfident (please keep them somewhat clean). Hopefully I get a
> flood of replies from this one, please send me your old come-ons and
> corny pickup lines.
I would like to point out that I'd never use these. I did once and learned
my lesson the hard way. Nevertheless...
Is that a mirror in your pants, because I can just see myself in them?
I give up; I really don't know how you got into those trousers. Can I try?
D'you like fireworks? 'Cos my old lighting stick can help set 'em off
And the old faithful (if dangerous)
I wanna feel every bone in your body... especially mine.
elie...@webtv.net
>What I would like get from each
>of you is the pickup lines that you
>might have used or have heard,
>the cornier the better.
"What do you think about epistemological metaphysics?"
Well, it worked on me.
--Stormie
Fortunate as well are those who have kind and generous feelings within a
hero's chest, the powerful, holy Chieftain will Himself be kind and
generous to them. (from the Heliand)
Jonathan W Hendry
> Brenda wrote:
>>
>> John Kensmark wrote:
>>
>>> I used to live in Orlando, and although I don't drink, I spent
>>> a lot of time in bars. Many of my friends were bartenders,
>>> and, hell, I'm a writer. Aren't we supposed to spend time in
>>> bars?
>>>
>>> Better *in* bars than behind them, anyway. Because I was
>>> generally at these bars to talk to the bartenders, I overheard
>>> a lot of conversation, including pick-up lines.
>>
>>
>> What a dreadfully misspent life you have led, John!
> Thanks. Considering how I feel most mornings, I often think I
> haven't misspent it enough so far. Did I mention these were mostly
> bars owned by Disney? My life has been misspent in a surreal
> fashion. That must count for something.
Are you sure those lines weren't spoken by animatronics?
John Kensmark
>
> John Kensmark wrote:
>
>> a lot of time in bars. Many of my friends were bartenders,
>> and, hell, I'm a writer. Aren't we supposed to spend time in
>> bars?
>>
>> Better *in* bars than behind them, anyway. Because I was
>> generally at these bars to talk to the bartenders, I overheard
>> a lot of conversation, including pick-up lines.
>
>
> What a dreadfully misspent life you have led, John!
Thanks. Considering how I feel most mornings, I often think I
haven't misspent it enough so far. Did I mention these were mostly
bars owned by Disney? My life has been misspent in a surreal
fashion. That must count for something.
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
Imagine waking up to radio reports that 'Schools and businesses
have been closed because of frozen pizza.' Sounds ridiculous,
but if all the frozen pizza sold in the United States each year
was spread across six states, those radio reports could be true.
-- opening of a press release from the
National Frozen Pizza Institute (*Institute*?)
Keith Morrison
>
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:43:21 GMT, Book Mage <book...@xprt.net> invaded
> my consciousness with the following:
>
> >What I would like get from each of you is the pickup lines that you
> >might have used or have heard, the cornier the better.
>
When I was at a club with a friend of mine, who had longish hair, a
guy walked up to her, reached behind her head and lifted her hair up
into a halo. She asked him what the hell he was doing and he replied,
"I was just wondering what it would look like on my pillow."
--
Keith
Brenda
Keith Morrison wrote:
You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship (of
whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to which
the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not
use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating
to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
Dan Goodman
>
>
>Keith Morrison wrote:
>
>> Lysseya wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:43:21 GMT, Book Mage <book...@xprt.net> invaded
>> > my consciousness with the following:
>> >
>> > >What I would like get from each of you is the pickup lines that you
>> > >might have used or have heard, the cornier the better.
>> >
>> > "Get your coat, love - you've pulled."
>>
>> When I was at a club with a friend of mine, who had longish hair, a
>> guy walked up to her, reached behind her head and lifted her hair up
>> into a halo. She asked him what the hell he was doing and he replied,
>> "I was just wondering what it would look like on my pillow."
>>
>
>You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
>Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship (of
>whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to which
>the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not
>use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
>actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating
>to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
In many cases, it's very simple: The man doesn't want to have a
relationship, even for one night -- and also doesn't want to admit to
himself that he doesn't.
In others, the audience he's actually playing to is his male friends.
And some men simply will not give up on what they know works, just because
it fails a few times.
There are also women who claim they want relationships with men, but never
seem to have them.
Notice that a lot of similar stuff (attempting to reach an alleged goal by
means which are obviously counter-productive) goes on in politics.
--
Dan Goodman
dsg...@visi.com
http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html
Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
Keith Morrison
> >You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
> >Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship (of
> >whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to which
> >the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not
> >use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
> >actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating
> >to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
>
> In many cases, it's very simple: The man doesn't want to have a
> relationship, even for one night -- and also doesn't want to admit to
> himself that he doesn't.
>
> In others, the audience he's actually playing to is his male friends.
>
> And some men simply will not give up on what they know works, just because
> it fails a few times.
And before Lucy expresses amazement, I have indeed seen lines that
are the equivalent of "Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?" work.
Hell, I've seen it work with no lines at all. Girl looks at guy.
Guy looks at girl. Guy glances toward the door. She nods and
they're doing horizontal aerobics on the hood of someone's car
in the parking lot.
--
Keith
Beth Friedman
>On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:42:08 -0400, Brenda <clo...@erols.com>
>scripsit:
>>You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
>They don't want a relationship; they want to get laid.
>
>That sort of line works, some of the time, if the objective is getting
>laid, in that sort of bar venue. The line is so terribly silly
>precisely to _distinguish_ it from an 'I want to get to know you
>better' approach.
Back when he was playing in a bar band, Steven Brust once heard a
joke.
**********
Guy: Hey, babe, wanna get a six-pack and go back to my place and screw
like minks?
Gal: No.
Guy: What's the matter -- don't you like beer?
**********
Steve, being the sort of person he is, needed to try this out. He
picked out a likely victim from the crowd, and said, "Hey, babe, wanna
get a six-pack and go back to my place and screw like minks?" And she
said, "Sure."
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Brenda
Graydon wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:42:08 -0400, Brenda <clo...@erols.com>
> scripsit:
> >You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
> >Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a
> >relationship (of whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then
> >are there so many to which the only possible answer is, "You want a
> >punch in the nose?" Why do men not use lines that actually have a
> >prayer, however distant, of success? If they actually -don't- want a
> >relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating to just keep
> >quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
>
> They don't want a relationship; they want to get laid.
>
> That sort of line works, some of the time, if the objective is getting
> laid, in that sort of bar venue. The line is so terribly silly
> precisely to _distinguish_ it from an 'I want to get to know you
> better' approach.
>
> --
That makes perfect sense!
Brenda <much comforted>
Ayende Rahien
"Brenda" <clo...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:39948140...@erols.com...
>
> You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
> Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship
(of
> whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to
which
> the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men
not
> use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If
they
> actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less
humiliating
> to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
>
> Brenda
>
I think that the point is to make sure that there wouldn't *be* any
relationship.
The pick up lines are supposed to make it clear that if they leave together
it's just sex.
It sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't. It's a nice way to offer
something and accept/reject it without too much emotion being involved with
it.
Lucy Kemnitzer
<kei...@polarnet.ca> wrote:
>Dan Goodman wrote:
>
>> >You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
>> >Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship (of
>> >whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to which
>> >the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not
>> >use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
>> >actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating
>> >to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
>>
>> In many cases, it's very simple: The man doesn't want to have a
>> relationship, even for one night -- and also doesn't want to admit to
>> himself that he doesn't.
>>
>> In others, the audience he's actually playing to is his male friends.
>>
>> And some men simply will not give up on what they know works, just because
>> it fails a few times.
>
>And before Lucy expresses amazement, I have indeed seen lines that
>are the equivalent of "Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?" work.
Don't do this. I am not an argument strategy. I was not
participating in this thread at all: I have nothing new to say on
the subject: and I do not appreciate being dragged into it as a
jousting target -- if that kind of thing belongs anywhere, it
doesn't belong here.
Lucy Kemnitzer
John Kensmark
> You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines
> exist. Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering
> a relationship (of whatever length) with the woman accosted.
> Why then are there so many to which the only possible answer is,
> "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not use lines that
> actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
> actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and
> less humiliating to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's
> some kind of masochism?
It gets complicated (what doesn't?), but consider:
-- There are guys who consider it cool to 'diss' women they're
actually interested in. Sour grapes, in its way, and a way of
'conquering' an 'enemy' otherwise (ahem) insurmountable. Many, many
guys I've known have had, if not exactly a love/hate relationship
with women, then a love / secret fear and antagonism relationship.
So potentially offending a woman this way can be counting coup.
-- It can allow guys to show off in front of their friends. Why the
friends think this is cool is equally complicated.
-- It can allow guys to show off in front of *other women*. This
seems ridiculous, I know, but I've seen it *work*. I think the
other women, perhaps, subconsciously think, "He can risk offending
her; he must not need her; he must be desireable." Or lard knows
what.
-- Sometimes it *does* work. This makes my stomach hurt sometimes,
but so does a lot of gender politics and relationship gunk.
-- A lot of guys are very stupid. And of the ones who aren't so
stupid, they often don't know why they do what they do.
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
Oh Lord, help me to be pure, but not yet.
-- (Saint) Augustine of Hippo
Kathleen Fuller
[snip]
: ... I have indeed seen lines that
: are the equivalent of "Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?" work.
I know someone who saw that very line work. Admittedly at a band's
post-gig party, but nonetheless...
--Kathleen
Del Cotter
Brenda <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
>Keith Morrison wrote:
>> When I was at a club with a friend of mine, who had longish hair, a
>> guy walked up to her, reached behind her head and lifted her hair up
>> into a halo. She asked him what the hell he was doing and he replied,
>> "I was just wondering what it would look like on my pillow."
>
>You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
>Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship (of
>whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to which
>the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not
>use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
>actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating
>to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
You're operating under a number of misconceptions, one of which is that
these lines never work. I've seen them work, on real women.
--
. . . . Del Cotter d...@branta.demon.co.uk . . . .
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Jamie Rosen
> Dan Goodman wrote:
>
>> >You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
>> >Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship (of
>> >whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to which
>> >the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not
>> >use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
>> >actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating
>> >to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
>>
>> relationship, even for one night -- and also doesn't want to admit to
>> himself that he doesn't.
>>
>> In others, the audience he's actually playing to is his male friends.
>>
>> And some men simply will not give up on what they know works, just because
>> it fails a few times.
>
> are the equivalent of "Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?" work.
It supposedly works for a friend of a friend of mine in his home town
because the "Nice shoes" makes him seem like a gentleman.
--
I'm happy, hope you're happy too.
Rachael Lininger
Beth Friedman <b...@wavefront.com> wrote:
>Back when he was playing in a bar band, Steven Brust once heard a
>joke.
>
>**********
>
>Guy: Hey, babe, wanna get a six-pack and go back to my place and screw
>like minks?
>
>Gal: No.
>
>Guy: What's the matter -- don't you like beer?
>
>**********
>
>Steve, being the sort of person he is, needed to try this out. He
>picked out a likely victim from the crowd, and said, "Hey, babe, wanna
>get a six-pack and go back to my place and screw like minks?" And she
>said, "Sure."
Oh, my! I can just see that. He deserved it, too.
Rachael
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Morgan E. Smith
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Brenda wrote:
>
>
> Keith Morrison wrote:
>
> > Lysseya wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:43:21 GMT, Book Mage <book...@xprt.net> invaded
> > > my consciousness with the following:
> > >
> > > >What I would like get from each of you is the pickup lines that you
> > > >might have used or have heard, the cornier the better.
> > >
> > > "Get your coat, love - you've pulled."
> >
> > When I was at a club with a friend of mine, who had longish hair, a
> > guy walked up to her, reached behind her head and lifted her hair up
> > into a halo. She asked him what the hell he was doing and he replied,
> > "I was just wondering what it would look like on my pillow."
> >
>
> You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
> Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship (of
> whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to which
> the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not
> use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
> actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating
> to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
Yeah. For years, my anti-pick-up line was "You're really cute but I
already have a puppy at home."
Later, when I was older and less patient, it became "Jerk off, loser."
Of course, one theory is that it isn't masochism, but a touchingly
mis-placed belief in their own amazing attractiveness, or perhaps it's a
surfeit of Hollywood movies. It might also be the "broad-sweep" theory of
seduction, though: I knew a guy who used to just go around bars saying
"Wanna fuck?" - he claimed about one in every hundred tries got a yes.
No one has successfully used a pick-up "line" on me, unless you count my
not-yet husband turning to me in the car, and saying: "I have to tell you.
I love you. Totally, completely, and without any strings attached. Just so
you know."
Mind you, we'd known each other for about 2 years, at that point.
Morgan Smith
Dorothy J Heydt
>> > >
>> > > "Get your coat, love - you've pulled."
I don't know if it's ignorance of slang or of the pickup-bar
scene, but I don't understand this at all. What did the guy
mean, "pulled"?
Tom Lynch
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:Fz6vq...@kithrup.com...
> If I haven't mis-snipped, it was Lysseya who wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Get your coat, love - you've pulled."
>
> I don't know if it's ignorance of slang or of the pickup-bar
> scene, but I don't understand this at all. What did the guy
> mean, "pulled"?
Presumably from 'attractive'; You're so attractive you've pulled.Basically,
'you
've pulled' means 'I'm willing'.
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan
Keith Morrison <kei...@polarnet.ca> wrote:
> Hell, I've seen it work with no lines at all. Girl looks at guy.
> Guy looks at girl. Guy glances toward the door. She nods and
> they're doing horizontal aerobics on the hood of someone's car
> in the parking lot.
Well, some women *do* like, what were they called? Zipless fucks. I do.
Well, I did, before hooking up with a guy from Sicily. :-))
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Julian Flood
worse. You could be erm.. fifty... mumble mumble...
I used to have a complicated line called 'copulate for a blond tomorrow'. It
depended on the fact that unless we blond(e) people get it together we will
be outbred by brunettes. It never worked: I was trying an intellectual line
with a blonde. So I reverted to the older method, You growl and you grab
(OBSF). Worked for me -- but I was beautiful then.
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LK
<kei...@polarnet.ca> wrote:
>Hell, I've seen it work with no lines at all. Girl looks at guy.
>Guy looks at girl. Guy glances toward the door. She nods and
>they're doing horizontal aerobics on the hood of someone's car
>in the parking lot.
She charged how much?
And I won't ask if it was by the minute or by the stroke.
eLK
Jonathan W Hendry
> If I haven't mis-snipped, it was Lysseya who wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > "Get your coat, love - you've pulled."
> I don't know if it's ignorance of slang or of the pickup-bar
> scene, but I don't understand this at all. What did the guy
> mean, "pulled"?
Depending on the guy asking, it may mean 'pulled the short straw'.
But I doubt that's what it really means.
Keith Morrison
>
> >And before Lucy expresses amazement, I have indeed seen lines that
> >are the equivalent of "Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?" work.
>
> participating in this thread at all: I have nothing new to say on
> the subject: and I do not appreciate being dragged into it as a
> jousting target -- if that kind of thing belongs anywhere, it
> doesn't belong here.
Nothing of the kind meant. I'm just recalling another thread on
rasfw where you expressed some disbelief in how guys thought about
sex. And in this case, guys do it because they want sex.
--
Keith
Keith Morrison
No prostitution involved. Obviously, paying for it doesn't
count.
--
Keith
Jonathan W Hendry
> I'd like to figure this out one day. OTOH, I'd also like to figure out
> why the boarding students at this school think it's cool to walk past my
> studio on their way back from dinner at night, knock on the door and run
> away. I don't even answer the door at night anymore, so it can't be to
> get a reaction out of me. <shrug> Apparently one game for drunk locals
> to play is to tie the laces of a pair of shoes together and throw them
> up in an attempt to hook them on the telephone lines. Terribly witty.
That also happens in America. I suppose part of the idea is to
annoy the owner of the shoes.
Lucy Kemnitzer
You've mischaracterized what I said on the thread, and since I was
forced to explain at length several times, it can't help but be
annoying to me to have my name dragged in from nowhere to yet
again represent a position I do not hold, particularly when I'm
staying out of the discussion this time.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Zeborah
> Brenda wrote:
>
> > You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines
> > exist. Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering
> > a relationship (of whatever length) with the woman accosted.
> > Why then are there so many to which the only possible answer is,
> > "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not use lines that
> > actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
> > actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and
> > less humiliating to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's
> > some kind of masochism?
>
> It gets complicated (what doesn't?), but consider:
>
> -- There are guys who consider it cool to 'diss' women they're
> actually interested in. Sour grapes, in its way, and a way of
> 'conquering' an 'enemy' otherwise (ahem) insurmountable. Many, many
> guys I've known have had, if not exactly a love/hate relationship
> with women, then a love / secret fear and antagonism relationship.
> So potentially offending a woman this way can be counting coup.
>
> -- It can allow guys to show off in front of their friends. Why the
> friends think this is cool is equally complicated.
I'd like to figure this out one day. OTOH, I'd also like to figure out
why the boarding students at this school think it's cool to walk past my
studio on their way back from dinner at night, knock on the door and run
away. I don't even answer the door at night anymore, so it can't be to
get a reaction out of me. <shrug> Apparently one game for drunk locals
to play is to tie the laces of a pair of shoes together and throw them
up in an attempt to hook them on the telephone lines. Terribly witty.
> -- It can allow guys to show off in front of *other women*. This
> seems ridiculous, I know, but I've seen it *work*. I think the
> other women, perhaps, subconsciously think, "He can risk offending
> her; he must not need her; he must be desireable." Or lard knows
> what.
This could be what the guys' friends are thinking, or perhaps "He's
saying something that'd offend a cabbage; he doesn't seem concerned by
its lack of success; he must be getting laid twenty times a week; wow,
what's his secret?"
<squints carefully> I *think* that logic makes sense, in an alien sort
of way. It may not be how this breed of alien (to me) human thinks, of
course.
> -- Sometimes it *does* work. This makes my stomach hurt sometimes,
> but so does a lot of gender politics and relationship gunk.
At least half of the ones you posted I'd be at a loss to reply to if
someone directed them at me. (Mental note: if I ever go to a nightclub
again, practise some corny putdown lines first.) Generally the ones
that say more or less "Wanna come home with me?" (though if they say it
more then I can say "No" quite easily). But that's because no, I don't
want to go home with anyone; whereas I'm assured by my sister (and tv,
but I don't count tv) that there are girls and women out there who do.
> -- A lot of guys are very stupid. And of the ones who aren't so
> stupid, they often don't know why they do what they do.
>
> John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
>
> Oh Lord, help me to be pure, but not yet.
> -- (Saint) Augustine of Hippo
I've always loved this quote.
Zeborah
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Miche Doherty
> I don't know if it's ignorance of slang or of the pickup-bar
> scene, but I don't understand this at all. What did the guy
> mean, "pulled"?
Scored. Got off with. As in the old joke about the oyster who went to a
singles bar and pulled a mussel.
Miche.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Julian Flood <jul...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
[line]
>Worked for me -- but I was beautiful then.
Aw, Julian, to us you are beautiful now.
Chad Ryan Thomas
>>Apparently one game for drunk locals
>> to play is to tie the laces of a pair of shoes together and throw them
>> up in an attempt to hook them on the telephone lines. Terribly witty.
>
>annoy the owner of the shoes.
<Ahem> So the urban legend goes, the practice started when American
universities were going co-ed. Young-women would take the shoes of their
roommates and throw them over telephone lines the night that their roommates
first had sex. The implication being that they no longer needed shoes,
because they would soon be "married, barefoot and pregnant". Soon after,
however, it became a badge of honor for the co-eds to announce publicly that
they'd lost their virginity.
Then it dissolved into a game for drunk frat boys to play.
(It's amazing what one learns when in a folkloristics program.)
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John Kensmark
>
> John Kensmark <kens...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> -- It can allow guys to show off in front of their friends.
>> Why the friends think this is cool is equally complicated.
>
> I'd like to figure this out one day.
I think you essentially figured out later on in the same post. When
the friends are all desperate to get laid, the guy who can 'diss'
(it does mean "disrespect", after all) women as if it were nothing
is like a man who can light a cigar with a $100 bill. To me,
stupid; to the easily impressed, way cool.
> OTOH, I'd also like to figure out why the boarding students at
> this school think it's cool to walk past my studio on their
> way back from dinner at night, knock on the door and run away.
*That* is infantile behavior. It's being antisocial for the sake of
being antisocial, plus tempting fate to let the authority figure
catch you. If they know you won't even open the door, then they're
fooling themselves, anyway. It's pretty pathetic.
> Apparently one game for drunk locals to play is to tie the
> laces of a pair of shoes together and throw them up in an
> attempt to hook them on the telephone lines. Terribly witty.
When I was *ten*, this was a common thing for bullies to do to other
kids' shoes.
> <squints carefully> I *think* that logic makes sense, in an
> alien sort of way. It may not be how this breed of alien (to me)
> human thinks, of course.
This is completely not how *I* think, either. I don't think I would
understand most other guys very well at all, except that, since I'm
a guy, they talk to me about these things, assuming I'm the same
way. And I'm good at keeping a straight face.
> At least half of the ones you posted I'd be at a loss to reply
> to if someone directed them at me. (Mental note: if I ever go
> to a nightclub again, practise some corny putdown lines first.)
One I heard used more than once in FL was: "I wasn't gay a moment
ago, but I think I suddenly might be."
A line I've modified heavily for personal use, in different
situations unrelated to come-ons, was used by a male acquaintence at
a party when a girl propositioned him. He said, "No offense, but
I'd step over your naked body to kiss a little boy." Crude (and, I
thought at the time, a tad cruel), but it certainly gets one's
attention. Used by a woman, it doesn't wind up being so crude.
> I'm assured by my sister (and tv, but I don't count tv) that
> there are girls and women out there who do [want to go home with
> someone].
I don't really understand this myself. I think this is one of those
things where if you're not on side A of the fence, then you'll never
really understand the people on side A.
>> Oh Lord, help me to be pure, but not yet.
>> -- (Saint) Augustine of Hippo
>
> I've always loved this quote.
So beautiful. So brutally honest. So true to life. This always
struck me as something someone might have actually prayed.
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
I want to be the white man's brother, not his brother-in-law.
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Thomas) wrote:
>In article <3995...@news.depaul.edu>, Jonathan W Hendry <jhe...@ux1.depaul.edu> wrote:
>>>Apparently one game for drunk locals
>>> to play is to tie the laces of a pair of shoes together and throw them
>>> up in an attempt to hook them on the telephone lines. Terribly witty.
>>
>>That also happens in America. I suppose part of the idea is to
>>annoy the owner of the shoes.
>
><Ahem> So the urban legend goes, the practice started when American
>universities were going co-ed. Young-women would take the shoes of their
>roommates and throw them over telephone lines the night that their roommates
>first had sex. The implication being that they no longer needed shoes,
>because they would soon be "married, barefoot and pregnant". Soon after,
>however, it became a badge of honor for the co-eds to announce publicly that
>they'd lost their virginity.
>
>Then it dissolved into a game for drunk frat boys to play.
>
>(It's amazing what one learns when in a folkloristics program.)
I don't believe this is the origin of this practice. Nor do I
believe the local explanation, which is that it started as a
signal to identify crackhouses (this is obviously untrue, since
they've been throwing shoes over telephone lines longer than there
have been crack houses).
What I believe is that kids did it first because they could, and
because you can't fix a pair of old tennies for less than the cost
of a new pair. And then explanations arose, later, mostly as
jokes.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Ayende Rahien
"Zeborah" <zeb...@altavista.com> wrote in message
news:1ef9z3o.uwhklj12xjkhfN%zeb...@altavista.com...
> John Kensmark <kens...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > -- It can allow guys to show off in front of their friends. Why the
> > friends think this is cool is equally complicated.
>
> I'd like to figure this out one day. OTOH, I'd also like to figure out
> why the boarding students at this school think it's cool to walk past my
> studio on their way back from dinner at night, knock on the door and run
> away. I don't even answer the door at night anymore, so it can't be to
> get a reaction out of me. <shrug> Apparently one game for drunk locals
> to play is to tie the laces of a pair of shoes together and throw them
> up in an attempt to hook them on the telephone lines. Terribly witty.
So it trying to hit a few inches ball with a wooden club. It's call
baseball and I don't have a clue why so many people find it interesting.
At the above case, it is hard to do it intentionly (unintentionly is *very*
easy, btw.) being drunk just make it harder, I assume that it's the
challange of it.
> > -- It can allow guys to show off in front of *other women*. This
> > seems ridiculous, I know, but I've seen it *work*. I think the
> > other women, perhaps, subconsciously think, "He can risk offending
> > her; he must not need her; he must be desireable." Or lard knows
> > what.
>
> This could be what the guys' friends are thinking, or perhaps "He's
> saying something that'd offend a cabbage; he doesn't seem concerned by
> its lack of success; he must be getting laid twenty times a week; wow,
> what's his secret?"
>
> <squints carefully> I *think* that logic makes sense, in an alien sort
> of way. It may not be how this breed of alien (to me) human thinks, of
> course.
Part of the reasons guys do it is because they want a reaction, it doesn't
have to be a positive one, although that is a plus. Any reaction would be
good, any loud reaction would be better. Violance is the second most
welcome case in some of the lines I've seen used.
OTOH, there are some cases when there is over reaction, such as:
Theory: A guy goes to a girl and start massaging her back, she asks him
what he think he is doing, "Trying to find you wings, Angel." He answers.
Reality: A guy goes to a girl and start massaging her back, she kicks him
in the groin, and call police for sexsual harrasement.
I've *seen* it happened, and my friend had to do a lot of explanantion to
that girl, (the police was understanding).
OTOH, they are dating now, so maybe that line worked.
I have a note somewhere, to put it in a work sometime, but right now I'm
working on more or less stable relationship WIP, (everybody hates everybody
else) so I can't use it.
> > -- Sometimes it *does* work. This makes my stomach hurt sometimes,
> > but so does a lot of gender politics and relationship gunk.
>
> At least half of the ones you posted I'd be at a loss to reply to if
> someone directed them at me. (Mental note: if I ever go to a nightclub
> again, practise some corny putdown lines first.) Generally the ones
> that say more or less "Wanna come home with me?" (though if they say it
> more then I can say "No" quite easily). But that's because no, I don't
> want to go home with anyone; whereas I'm assured by my sister (and tv,
> but I don't count tv) that there are girls and women out there who do.
I *still* don't have his post with the lines, somebody mind forwarding it
to me? It seems to have gotten lost in the way.
John Kensmark
>
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 04:24:33 GMT, crth...@asu.edu (Chad Ryan
> Thomas) wrote:
>> <Ahem> So the urban legend goes, the practice started when
>> American universities were going co-ed. Young-women would
>> take the shoes of their roommates and throw them over
>> telephone lines the night that their roommates first had
>> sex. The implication being that they no longer needed shoes,
>> because they would soon be "married, barefoot and pregnant".
>> Soon after, however, it became a badge of honor for the co-eds
>> to announce publicly that they'd lost their virginity.
>>
>> Then it dissolved into a game for drunk frat boys to play.
>>
>> (It's amazing what one learns when in a folkloristics program.)
>
> I don't believe this is the origin of this practice.
Possibly already obvious to everyone, but I don't think Chad meant
to suggest he thought this was the origin, either.
> Nor do I believe the local explanation, which is that it
> started as a signal to identify crackhouses (this is
> obviously untrue, since they've been throwing shoes over
> telephone lines longer than there have been crack houses).
I've often puzzled over this. Folk etymologies seem to come in both
plausible and implausible flavors. Urban legends that explain
'mysteries' like these seem to generally be pretty durn dumb.
> What I believe is that kids did it first because they could,
> and because you can't fix a pair of old tennies for less than
> the cost of a new pair. And then explanations arose, later,
> mostly as jokes.
Presumably the sort of joke that feeble minds play on feebler ones
and then think is funny. I mean, it's not much of a joke, is it,
although jokes like that certainly do arise.
I think you're dead-on right when you say "because they could". I
have a grandfather who told of us making bolas from conkers
(chestnuts) and throwing 'em over power lines during the rural
electrification of the area where he lived. That area was in
Connecticut . . . so this practice predates sneakers, let alone
crack houses and, at least generally speaking, co-ed American
universities. (My grandfather isn't the only source on this. My
younger brother has a book--I forget the title--which is the actual
diary of a boy in the early-ish part of this century, and the diary
talks about this exact same game.)
For what it's worth, *I* repair sneakers for less than the cost of a
new pair all the time. I have an excellent pair of three-year-old
space alien no-name-brand mystery-material-sole sneakers that have
been repaired (and fairly waterproofed) with "Goop" many times.
Total cost of these repairs is less than a dollar. They're at least
as solid now as when I bought them.
Of course, Goop is a recently available product (last five years,
I'd say).
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
Girls are always running through my mind. They don't dare walk.
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan
LK <founta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Hell, I've seen it work with no lines at all. Girl looks at guy.
> >Guy looks at girl. Guy glances toward the door. She nods and
> >they're doing horizontal aerobics on the hood of someone's car
> >in the parking lot.
>
> She charged how much?
Hum. Women usually don't care much about mindless, non-commitment sex.
Usually. But there are some that do. To imply that _no_ woman can, and
that if she accept such thing is because she's a whore, literay or not,
I find simplistic, and though I know that here it was meant as joke, a
little bit offensive.
Richard Kennaway
> I used to have a complicated line called 'copulate for a blond tomorrow'. It
> depended on the fact that unless we blond(e) people get it together we will
> be outbred by brunettes.
What about the Hardy-Weinberg law? Or am I guessing wrong about your
reasons for thinking blond(e)s to be at a selective disadvantage?
-- Richard Kennaway
Jonathan W Hendry
> I think you're dead-on right when you say "because they could". I
> have a grandfather who told of us making bolas from conkers
> (chestnuts) and throwing 'em over power lines during the rural
> electrification of the area where he lived. That area was in
> Connecticut . . . so this practice predates sneakers, let alone
> crack houses and, at least generally speaking, co-ed American
> universities. (My grandfather isn't the only source on this. My
> younger brother has a book--I forget the title--which is the actual
> diary of a boy in the early-ish part of this century, and the diary
> talks about this exact same game.)
The same explanation works for the cassette tape often seen
tangled in trees or wires. Tape breaks, what to do? Throw it
in the air and make it tangle in something, of course.
Ayende Rahien
"Morgan E. Smith" <mes...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.A41.4.05.100081...@srv1.calcna.ab.ca...
> Yeah. For years, my anti-pick-up line was "You're really cute but I
> already have a puppy at home."
Anyone care to add more to those? The only one I can think of right now is:
"Sure, give me a sec, I've to call my VD doc first."
It isn't very good in english, I'm not a good translator.
Brenda
Zeborah wrote:
> > -- Sometimes it *does* work. This makes my stomach hurt sometimes,
> > but so does a lot of gender politics and relationship gunk.
>
> At least half of the ones you posted I'd be at a loss to reply to if
> someone directed them at me. (Mental note: if I ever go to a nightclub
> again, practise some corny putdown lines first.) Generally the ones
> that say more or less "Wanna come home with me?" (though if they say it
> more then I can say "No" quite easily).
The reply I quoted always works, I am told. ("You want a punch in the
nose?") Esther Friesner has carefully rehearsed her daughter in it, so that
she may always be prepared no matter what dipshit line is offered. I have
coached my daughter in a more biophysical variant, which was recently used
in the comic strip "Liberty Meadows." Essentially, you mention that a sharp
vigorous upward blow to the nose will occasionally fracture the nose bone
and drive it upwards into the brain, thus causing instant death. Saying
this in a pleasant but abstract tone usually suffices. If the speaker is
reasonably muscular it tends to lend great conviction. Note that both these
responses are of the type that don't entail actually listening to the
dipshit line, and thus you can save valuable brain cells for a more
productive use.
Brenda
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---------
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From Tor Books in May 2000
http://www.sff.net/people/Brenda/
Heather Anne Nicoll
I had a character once in a roleplaying game who was once greeted with,
"You are very beautiful, my lady," to which she replied, "I am not
yours, and I am not a lady. Care to try again?"
--
Heather Nicoll - Darkhawk - http://aelfhame.net/~darkhawk/
My mind has wandered from the flock, you see
And the flock has wandered away from me. . . .
- Oingo Boingo, "Insanity"
Brenda
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> "Morgan E. Smith" <mes...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.A41.4.05.100081...@srv1.calcna.ab.ca...
>
> > Yeah. For years, my anti-pick-up line was "You're really cute but I
> > already have a puppy at home."
>
> Anyone care to add more to those? The only one I can think of right now is:
> "Sure, give me a sec, I've to call my VD doc first."
> It isn't very good in english, I'm not a good translator.
Contemptuous laughter always works, and needs no translating.
Ayende Rahien
"Brenda" <clo...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3996E986...@erols.com...
Reasonably muscular? A woman? I don't think I've ever seen one.
A woman has to be *extraordinary* muscular and take medicine in order for
this to have the desired affect on most men who would use those kind of
lines.
A reasonably muscular woman just look good, ISTR that you need testosterone
for building muscles. Especially lean muscle mass. For the obvious reasons,
woman can get muscular.
Ayende Rahien
>
>
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > "Morgan E. Smith" <mes...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.A41.4.05.100081...@srv1.calcna.ab.ca...
> >
> > > Yeah. For years, my anti-pick-up line was "You're really cute but I
> > > already have a puppy at home."
> >
> > Anyone care to add more to those? The only one I can think of right now
is:
> > "Sure, give me a sec, I've to call my VD doc first."
> > It isn't very good in english, I'm not a good translator.
>
>
> Contemptuous laughter always works, and needs no translating.
No, it doesn't. Trust me, it doesn't.
John Kensmark
>
> "Morgan E. Smith" <mes...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.A41.4.05.100081...@srv1.calcna.ab.ca...
>
>> Yeah. For years, my anti-pick-up line was "You're really cute
>> but I already have a puppy at home."
>
> Anyone care to add more to those? The only one I can think of
> right now is: "Sure, give me a sec, I've to call my VD doc
> first." It isn't very good in english, I'm not a good
> translator.
What is it the sister says in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"? Something
like, "I have a black belt in karate, my father's .38, and a
scorching case of herpes."
A girl I knew in college used to tell guys that she couldn't even
consider dating them because they looked just like her brother.
Most of them accepted this immediately. In fact, she was an only
child, but it's a good line.
And what did Judy Tenuda say? "You remind me of my brother Gonzo,
except that he has a human head."
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
Today's Word -- fefnicute: a hypocrite or double-dealer.
Pronounced fehf'-nih-cute.
Dorothy J Heydt
Heather Anne Nicoll <dark...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>I had a character once in a roleplaying game who was once greeted with,
>"You are very beautiful, my lady," to which she replied, "I am not
>yours, and I am not a lady. Care to try again?"
That's reminiscent of the old ST:OS episode in which Sulu (in
d'Artagnan mode) cries, "I'll save you, fair maiden!" and Uhura
answers, "Sorry, neither." I'm not sure how that made it past
the censors in 1966.
Dorothy J Heydt
Graydon <gra...@dsl.ca> wrote:
>>> Contemptuous laughter always works, and needs no translating.
>>
>>No, it doesn't. Trust me, it doesn't.
>
>And, should you resort to sticking a martini olive up their nose,
>implacable universal laws require that they'll _like_ that sort of
>thing.
Something I thought occasionally of doing was looking the guy
slowly up and down, and then, as if deciding against a not-ripe-
enough tomato, shaking my head slightly and turning away.
I dunno if it would've worked, I never tried it. My one and only
strategy, during the years when I occasionally received such
lines, was to ignore the person as if he were not there and had
not spoken.
(Since, if I had attempted any kind of two-way interaction, I
would probably have slipped the leash and tried to kill him.)
Gavin P
think of are...
Haven't I seen you somewhere else?
Yes, and that why I don't go there anymore.
If I saw you out of your clothes I'd die happy.
If I saw you out of your clothes I'd die laughing.
And there are more.... can't remember them though.
Gavin P
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<snip>
>Reasonably muscular? A woman? I don't think I've ever seen one.
<snip again>
I have seen quite a few women who obviously workout... and since
I assume that particualar blow to the nose would be more about
angles than the force of the strike, anyone who is vaugely
athletic looking could in thoery pull it off.
The most dagerous person I know stands at just a smidge over
five foot tall, and doesn't look very muscular. She has a look
that says don't mess with me, and she actually describes to guys
what she is going to do to them if they so much as touch her.
Most of them are convinced she's telling the truth. I've also
seen her take down a guy who didn't take the hint without
hurting much more than his ego... I like having her around, I
feel protected :-).
Lori Selke
Lucy Kemnitzer <rit...@cruzio.com> wrote:
[urban legends about the origins of neakers acroos phone lines]
>I don't believe this is the origin of this practice. Nor do I
>believe the local explanation, which is that it started as a
>signal to identify crackhouses (this is obviously untrue, since
>they've been throwing shoes over telephone lines longer than there
>have been crack houses).
Though it is true that I see more sneakers-over-wires on blocks
with a lot of dealing (note: *not* crackhouses, more generic
street dealing, probably a lot of it heroin) than I do elsewhere.
Self-perpetuating legend, perhaps?
Lori
--
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se...@sirius.com
"But this isn't a dance! It's upright delirium!" -- The Desert Peach
Steve Taylor
> >> > > "Get your coat, love - you've pulled."
> I don't know if it's ignorance of slang or of the pickup-bar
> scene, but I don't understand this at all. What did the guy
> mean, "pulled"?
Means 'sucessfully picked up' - only used in England, that I know of.
> Dorothy J. Heydt
Steve
Steve Taylor
> OTOH, there are some cases when there is over reaction, such as:
>
> Theory: A guy goes to a girl and start massaging her back, she asks him
> what he think he is doing, "Trying to find you wings, Angel." He answers.
> Reality: A guy goes to a girl and start massaging her back, she kicks him
> in the groin, and call police for sexsual harrasement.
A massage is a nice thing between friends or lovers. It's a fine thing
between acquaintances, given implicit or explicit permission. Trouble
is, it's also a convenient way to sleaze onto people - touching them in
a very personal way with the social cover of "it's just a backrub - what
are you getting so stressed about?" It's a bit analogous to an insult
which can be backed away from with "I was only joking".
Steve
Kathleen Fuller
Organization: CNI/Prairienet
Brenda <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
: Zeborah wrote:
:> > -- Sometimes it *does* work. This makes my stomach hurt sometimes,
:> > but so does a lot of gender politics and relationship gunk.
:>
:> At least half of the ones you posted I'd be at a loss to reply to if
:> someone directed them at me. (Mental note: if I ever go to a nightclub
:> again, practise some corny putdown lines first.) Generally the ones
:> that say more or less "Wanna come home with me?" (though if they say it
:> more then I can say "No" quite easily).
: The reply I quoted always works, I am told. ("You want a punch in the
: nose?") Esther Friesner has carefully rehearsed her daughter in it, so that
: she may always be prepared no matter what dipshit line is offered. I have
: coached my daughter in a more biophysical variant, which was recently used
: in the comic strip "Liberty Meadows." Essentially, you mention that a sharp
: vigorous upward blow to the nose will occasionally fracture the nose bone
: and drive it upwards into the brain, thus causing instant death. Saying
Sorry to ruin a magnificent image, but that fabled death blow doesn't
work. Martial arts legend, spread by people like Ian Fleming who are
better at sounding convincing than doing research.
However, I seriously doubt that the kind of sleazeball that provokes such
responses will know that, so fire away. I have fortunately never had
occasion to need an anti-pickup line. (I don't generally get hit on much
when out by myself or with female friends. My male friends tend to be
protective, and my husband has perfected a truly impressive territorial
growl, which has more than once obviated the need for me to say anything
at all. He has also done the same thing in print to an unwanted e-mail
correspondant. All, please note, with my enthusiastic and deeply amused
encouragement.)
--Kathleen
Kathleen Fuller "If... you can't be a good example,
co...@prairienet.org then you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial_
Tom Lynch
Kathleen Fuller <co...@bluestem.prairienet.org> wrote in message
news:X5Ol5.807$T9.252@firefly...
It was a Roman legionary's fighting technique, actually... admittedly, you
hit them in the nose with the metal half-sphere on the end of your shield,
but that was the attack if two people picked on one legionary - stab one,
break the other's nose.
Erin C. D.
> However, I seriously doubt that the kind of sleazeball that provokes such
> responses will know that, so fire away. I have fortunately never had
> occasion to need an anti-pickup line. (I don't generally get hit on much
> when out by myself or with female friends. My male friends tend to be
> protective, and my husband has perfected a truly impressive territorial
> growl, which has more than once obviated the need for me to say anything
> at all. He has also done the same thing in print to an unwanted e-mail
> correspondant. All, please note, with my enthusiastic and deeply amused
> encouragement.)
>
> --Kathleen
>
> Kathleen Fuller "If... you can't be a good example,
> co...@prairienet.org then you'll just have to be a horrible
> warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial_
heehee -- aren't husbands great like that! I was getting hit on at a
party, and it is really hard to bring up "Hi, i'm married" within the first
.5 seconds of conversation in a polite way, tho you know you ought to,
because that's the only reason they're talking to you (at least in certain
situations.) Anyhow, this guy puts his arm around me and asks where i'm
going to school, and Andrew, using husband-radar *appears*, all 6'5" 270 lbs
black leather clad biker and says, "That's my wife." And the guy backs up,
and says, "Hey, i'm sorry, give me a break..." To which Andrew replies,
"Which arm?"
I know it is primeval (sp :P), not to mention schoolyard-y, to get that
weird warm feeling in your tummy that says, "Yes, i am worthy of fighting
over!" and non-feminist to boot...but i still get it, and i love it. Power
over boys. Woo!
Erin Cashier Denton
"The Tangled Tree" & "Poison Taster" @
http://www.bookface.com
personal site, http://www.worldcontrol.org/theri
Brenda
Kathleen Fuller wrote:
My male friends tend to be
> protective, and my husband has perfected a truly impressive territorial
> growl, which has more than once obviated the need for me to say anything
> at all. He has also done the same thing in print to an unwanted e-mail
> correspondant. All, please note, with my enthusiastic and deeply amused
> encouragement.)
Men love to do this, and if it is necessary I have no objections to it. My
husband has offered to confront people who send me weird IM messages, and ask them
why they are bothering his wife. But the 'block' feature is easier.
Brenda
Steve Taylor wrote:
And I bet it's a slang term of fairly recent coinage too, eh? Damn, I
don't suppose it was in use pre WWI?
Keith Morrison
>
> Kathleen Fuller wrote:
>
> My male friends tend to be
>
> > protective, and my husband has perfected a truly impressive territorial
> > growl, which has more than once obviated the need for me to say anything
> > at all. He has also done the same thing in print to an unwanted e-mail
> > correspondant. All, please note, with my enthusiastic and deeply amused
> > encouragement.)
>
> Men love to do this, and if it is necessary I have no objections to it. My
> husband has offered to confront people who send me weird IM messages, and ask them
> why they are bothering his wife. But the 'block' feature is easier.
I've been drafted more than once by female friends to fill this
role. One time the first clue I had that I was being used as a
buffer was when one of said friends jumped at me in a club, threw
her arms around me and gave me a kiss.
Although it is mildly annoying to know that you're merely the
temporary help and long-term employment is out of the question.
--
Keith
Tom Lynch
Erin C. D. <th...@worldcontrol.org> wrote in message
news:rlPl5.12140$iI5.2...@news-west.usenetserver.com...
>
>
> > However, I seriously doubt that the kind of sleazeball that provokes
such
> > responses will know that, so fire away. I have fortunately never had
> > occasion to need an anti-pickup line. (I don't generally get hit on much
> > protective, and my husband has perfected a truly impressive territorial
> > growl, which has more than once obviated the need for me to say anything
> > at all. He has also done the same thing in print to an unwanted e-mail
> > correspondant. All, please note, with my enthusiastic and deeply amused
> > encouragement.)
> >
> >
> > Kathleen Fuller "If... you can't be a good example,
> > co...@prairienet.org then you'll just have to be a horrible
> > warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial_
>
>
> heehee -- aren't husbands great like that! I was getting hit on at a
> party, and it is really hard to bring up "Hi, i'm married" within the
first
> .5 seconds of conversation in a polite way, tho you know you ought to,
> because that's the only reason they're talking to you (at least in certain
> situations.) Anyhow, this guy puts his arm around me and asks where i'm
> going to school, and Andrew, using husband-radar *appears*, all 6'5" 270
lbs
> black leather clad biker and says, "That's my wife." And the guy backs up,
> and says, "Hey, i'm sorry, give me a break..." To which Andrew replies,
> "Which arm?"
> I know it is primeval (sp :P), not to mention schoolyard-y, to get
that
> weird warm feeling in your tummy that says, "Yes, i am worthy of fighting
> over!" and non-feminist to boot...but i still get it, and i love it. Power
> over boys. Woo!
Nearly got into a fight once because public school (me) and state school
(Jo, my girlfriend) aren't really meant to mix in our town. So I stand up to
avoid being disadvantaged and by the time I'm on my feet she's kicked him in
the balls... Fight over, nothing to see here folks.
Word got around. No one hits on her now.
Dan Goodman
Keith Morrison <kei...@polarnet.ca> wrote:
>Dan Goodman wrote:
>
>> >You know, it mystifies me that so many of these turkey lines exist.
>> >Presumably they are only used in the hope of prospering a relationship (of
>> >whatever length) with the woman accosted. Why then are there so many to which
>> >the only possible answer is, "You want a punch in the nose?" Why do men not
>> >use lines that actually have a prayer, however distant, of success? If they
>> >actually -don't- want a relationship, it would be easier and less humiliating
>> >to just keep quiet, would it not? Perhaps it's some kind of masochism?
>>
>> In many cases, it's very simple: The man doesn't want to have a
>> relationship, even for one night -- and also doesn't want to admit to
>> himself that he doesn't.
>>
>> In others, the audience he's actually playing to is his male friends.
>>
>> And some men simply will not give up on what they know works, just because
>> it fails a few times.
>
>And before Lucy expresses amazement, I have indeed seen lines that
>are the equivalent of "Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?" work.
However -- some men use the equivalent of "Ugly shoes."
I've heard someone use a pitch which was roughly: "I see you're wearing a
cross. Let's go to your place, and I'll explain what's wrong with
Christianity."
>Hell, I've seen it work with no lines at all. Girl looks at guy.
>Guy looks at girl. Guy glances toward the door. She nods and
>they're doing horizontal aerobics on the hood of someone's car
>in the parking lot.
>
>--
>Keith
--
Dan Goodman
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Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
Steve Taylor
>> Means 'sucessfully picked up' - only used in England, that I know of.
> And I bet it's a slang term of fairly recent coinage too, eh? Damn, I
> don't suppose it was in use pre WWI?
Damned if I know. I just tried to do a web search on it, and while there
are plenty of slang dictionaries (An OK English on at
http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/) I couldn't find a chronological one.
Damned shame - there are times when I wish I had some handy reference
wortk I could look up to see if the ancient Romans used the word
'jazzercise'.
> Brenda
Steve
Zeborah
iazercisere, perhaps? (iasercisere? I don't even know enough Latin to
remember if they had a 'z'.) Iazerciseo ergo fatig... uh... fatigado
sum. I must learn Latin one day.
Zeborah
--
http://www.crosswinds.net/~zeborahnz
Gravity is no joke.
Steve Taylor
> iazercisere, perhaps? (iasercisere? I don't even know enough Latin to
> remember if they had a 'z'.) Iazerciseo ergo fatig... uh... fatigado
> sum. I must learn Latin one day.
Save it till you're stuck in the middle of the SOuth Pacific with
nothing to do. That's my advice.
> Zeborah
Steve
Zeborah
Alas, I'm always too busy when stuck in the middle of the South Pacific.
Currently I'm busy working twelve hours a week and pretending, in the
rest of my time, to write a book and teach myself Russian and Italian,
with little success in any of the three.
I guess I'll squeeze Latin in sometime in my life. Along with
Icelandic, Inuktitut, Old English, and whatever other language I get an
irrational desire to learn.
David Dyer-Bennet
> I dunno if it would've worked, I never tried it. My one and only
> strategy, during the years when I occasionally received such
> lines, was to ignore the person as if he were not there and had
> not spoken.
>
> (Since, if I had attempted any kind of two-way interaction, I
> would probably have slipped the leash and tried to kill him.)
Depending on the venue, that seems something of an overreaction. But
if it's the only way to stay out of jail, so be it.
I'm sure Miss Manners would recommend a simple "no thank-you".
Disclaimer: never tried to pick up women in a bar, never used pickup
lines.
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Dorothy J Heydt
David Dyer-Bennet <d...@gw.dd-b.net> wrote:
>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>
>> I dunno if it would've worked, I never tried it. My one and only
>> strategy, during the years when I occasionally received such
>> lines, was to ignore the person as if he were not there and had
>> not spoken.
>>
>> (Since, if I had attempted any kind of two-way interaction, I
>> would probably have slipped the leash and tried to kill him.)
>
>Depending on the venue, that seems something of an overreaction. But
>if it's the only way to stay out of jail, so be it.
You bet... which is why I would've worked at ignoring him with
all my might.
>
>I'm sure Miss Manners would recommend a simple "no thank-you".
I can see "No." I can't see "thank you." The man who
propositions a given woman doesn't do so because he thinks she's
particularly beautiful or glamorous. He does it because he
thinks she's stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled. It ain't a
compliment.
>Disclaimer: never tried to pick up women in a bar, never used pickup
>lines.
Ditto: Have never spent any time in a bar except for one evening
in a pub in Glasgow.... where no one tried to pick me up, though
one guy tried to recruit me for Scottish Nationalism.
Steve Taylor
> Alas, I'm always too busy when stuck in the middle of the South Pacific.
New Caledonia - the penny's just dropped. Did you know that you just
missed out on having a revolution a month or so ago?
Some friends of mine had decided they wanted a holiday in the South
Pacific, so they booked tickets to Fiji. Fiji promptly had a coup.
They decided Fiji might not be such a good idea, and that they'd go to
the Solomons instead. The Solomons promptly had some pretty severe civil
unrest.
They changed their minds again, and went to New Caledonia. Fortunately,
by this time the curse was wearing out, and all that happened was that
New Caledonia had some storms and unseasonably cold weather.
> Zeborah
Steve
Ayende Rahien
"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:FzF90...@kithrup.com...
> In article <m2r97o3...@gw.dd-b.net>,
> David Dyer-Bennet <d...@gw.dd-b.net> wrote:
> >djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
> >
> >> I dunno if it would've worked, I never tried it. My one and only
> >> strategy, during the years when I occasionally received such
> >> lines, was to ignore the person as if he were not there and had
> >> not spoken.
> >>
> >> (Since, if I had attempted any kind of two-way interaction, I
> >> would probably have slipped the leash and tried to kill him.)
> >
> >Depending on the venue, that seems something of an overreaction. But
> >if it's the only way to stay out of jail, so be it.
>
> You bet... which is why I would've worked at ignoring him with
> all my might.
> >
> >I'm sure Miss Manners would recommend a simple "no thank-you".
>
> I can see "No." I can't see "thank you." The man who
> propositions a given woman doesn't do so because he thinks she's
> particularly beautiful or glamorous. He does it because he
> thinks she's stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled. It ain't a
> compliment.
Pardon?
Why so?
I think that it's an insult to women when you say that only stupid ones
accept the propositions.
On the whole, women don't usually go for free no-strings-attached sex, but
some of them do, and not only the stupid ones. I just didn't manage to find
one so far.
On a related subject:
I can understood why some men like women who are more stupid then they are.
And I know that some women like this situation as well.
But I've recently encounter a case of a fairly intellegent woman who had
gone to some length so her boyfriend wouldn't be aware just how smart &
successful she is. (Telling him just bad things about her
work/life/friends, so he can feel good lecturing her how to fix it.)
I understand that this is not uncommon, can you *please* explain me why
women *want* those men?
(BTW, Round heeled is another term for easily fooled, or did I missed my
mark?)
>
> >Disclaimer: never tried to pick up women in a bar, never used pickup
> >lines.
Likewise, I don't drink, and somehow women always assume that I'm
alcoholist or rehab.
Irina Rempt
> (BTW, Round heeled is another term for easily fooled, or did I missed my
> mark?)
Easily laid, more like: push her and she goes on her back.
Irina
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Ayende Rahien
"Irina Rempt" <ir...@valdyas.org> wrote in message
news:8ngmio$li6$1...@news1.xs4all.nl...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > (BTW, Round heeled is another term for easily fooled, or did I missed
my
> > mark?)
>
> Easily laid, more like: push her and she goes on her back.
ROTFLOL!
Beth Friedman
Heydt) wrote:
>In article <m2r97o3...@gw.dd-b.net>,
>David Dyer-Bennet <d...@gw.dd-b.net> wrote:
>>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>I'm sure Miss Manners would recommend a simple "no thank-you".
>
>I can see "No." I can't see "thank you." The man who
>propositions a given woman doesn't do so because he thinks she's
>particularly beautiful or glamorous. He does it because he
>thinks she's stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled. It ain't a
>compliment.
Depends on the circumstance. At a singles bar, he does it because
he's interested in a one-night stand, and her presence would tend to
indicate that she is as well. I suppose that implies round-heeled by
your definition, but there's an awful lot of baggage attached to that
term that doesn't necessarily apply.
While I've never been to a singles bar, my understanding is that some
of the lines are proffered with a subtext of "I know this is dumb, and
you know this is dumb, but there's no one to perform an introduction,
after all."
I haven't been propositioned all that often, but I've generally been
flattered when I have. With the notable exception of the time I was
walking down the street in Milan, and a man stopped me and said
"American?" and I nodded, and he said "Screw? Screw?"
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Julie Pascal
"Graydon" <gra...@dsl.ca> wrote in message
news:slrn8pnl0u....@localhost.localdomain...
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:38:36 GMT,
> >I can see "No." I can't see "thank you." The man who
> >propositions a given woman doesn't do so because he thinks she's
> >particularly beautiful or glamorous. He does it because he
> >thinks she's stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled. It ain't a
> >compliment.
>
> compliment.
>
There is a difference between "you look interesting and I'd
like to meet you" sorts of introductions and "I want sex, are
you willing" come-ons. People have been offering some
examples of both... but mostly the second type in this thread.
And for the "I want sex" type I have to agree with Dorothy.
It's not a compliment, mostly in that the person proposed to
is seen as a peice of meat by the proposer. And as far as
the attrativeness of that peice of meat? Well, "willing" and
"looks like it had a bath today" kind of cover it. No doubt
people will disagree with me on that, but really, it's the only
aspect of the other person that counts... for the rest, they *could*
be dumb as a brick and who would care? If the intellectual
parts of a person are discounted the meat is what remains.
And in this day and age (and in any previous one) there are
darn good reasons *not* to have sex with random strangers.
Even if you don't have a moral problem with it, it is stupid
and dangerous.
So I guess the proposer *is* hoping that the proposee
is stupid.
--Julie
Jonathan L Cunningham
wrote:
>Ditto: Have never spent any time in a bar except for one evening
>in a pub in Glasgow.... where no one tried to pick me up, though
>one guy tried to recruit me for Scottish Nationalism.
You understand Glaswegian? That's impressive. No wonder
they tried to recruit you. Did you join? If not, did you say "No"
or "No, thank you"?
Jonathan
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Jonathan L Cunningham
wrote:
>I haven't been propositioned all that often, but I've generally been
>flattered when I have. With the notable exception of the time I was
>walking down the street in Milan, and a man stopped me and said
>"American?" and I nodded, and he said "Screw? Screw?"
Hmmm. Without being there, it's difficult to interpret this. As written,
I would interpret this as, "I don't like Americans, I think I'll insult
this American woman." Are you sure it was a proposition?
I've experienced anti-English prejudice in Milan, but unsurprisingly
it took a different form. (I might also add that it was rare - most
Italians I've met have been friendly.)
Jo Walton
> In article <m2r97o3...@gw.dd-b.net>,
> David Dyer-Bennet <d...@gw.dd-b.net> wrote:
> >I'm sure Miss Manners would recommend a simple "no thank-you".
>
> I can see "No." I can't see "thank you." The man who
> propositions a given woman doesn't do so because he thinks she's
> particularly beautiful or glamorous. He does it because he
> thinks she's stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled. It ain't a
> compliment.
I don't know. I think if it's asked politely, then a polite rejection
is fine. It's if "No, thank you," isn't heard that there's a problem.
I mean it's the same as asking someone to have a cup of tea with you
or if you can borrow a book, really, you can ask, you're discovering
whether or not they want to, and if it's no, end of story.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Graydon <gra...@dsl.ca> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:38:36 GMT,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> scripsit:
>>propositions a given woman doesn't do so because he thinks she's
>>particularly beautiful or glamorous. He does it because he
>>thinks she's stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled. It ain't a
>>compliment.
>
>compliment.
Would these social contexts be those in which *all* the females
are presumed to be stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled?
Dorothy J Heydt
Beth Friedman <b...@wavefront.com> wrote:
>
>I haven't been propositioned all that often, but I've generally been
>flattered when I have. With the notable exception of the time I was
>walking down the street in Milan, and a man stopped me and said
>"American?" and I nodded, and he said "Screw? Screw?"
At which point I would start thumbing my pocket dictionary for
the Italian equivalent of "yo' mama.'"
(Anna? Would "la tua mamma" give the same negative connotations?)
Really, it's such a relief to be old and pudgy and of interest to
absolutely nobody but my husband, who loves me for my mind. I
never did go to singles bars, but that didn't permit any number
of Americans, when I was young, from propositioning me on the
streets of San Francisco, Berkeley, and Newport Beach with hardly
less subtlety. (whistles) I'm glad I'm not young anymore......
Dorothy J Heydt
Jo Walton <J...@bluejo.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I mean it's the same as asking someone to have a cup of tea with you
>or if you can borrow a book, really, you can ask, you're discovering
>whether or not they want to, and if it's no, end of story.
No, dammit, it isn't the same!
It is not like asking to share a cup of tea or borrow a book, it
is asking for the opportunity to mess around with the most
intimate parts of your body for a few hours and afterwards walk
away as if they had never met you. And if they ask that of you,
I call it an open indication that they consider you stupid.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jonathan L Cunningham <j...@sofluc.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:38:36 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>wrote:
>
>>in a pub in Glasgow.... where no one tried to pick me up, though
>>one guy tried to recruit me for Scottish Nationalism.
>
Wellll, I'll tell you. Ordinarily I could understand it pretty
well. You know, perhaps, that all human languages are about
seventy percent redundant? This makes it possible for you to
mis-hear, or misinterpret, a large fraction of the sounds the
speaker makes and still understand what he's saying. I could
understand virtually everything the Glaswegians were saying when
we were anyplace quiet, or even out on a city street.
In the pub, however, there was all this noise, and my
comprehension of what most of the Glaswegians were saying got cut
down a trifle further, past the frontier of intelligibility, and
made no sense whatever unless they shouted in my ear.
No wonder
>they tried to recruit you. Did you join? If not, did you say "No"
>or "No, thank you"?
I said, "Look, I am a citizen of the United States of America.
If you think I am going to get involved in somebody else's
internal politics, think again."
Which I guess translates as "No."
Beth Friedman
Heydt) wrote:
>In article <6etnps4ia4uk5ul0u...@4ax.com>,
>Beth Friedman <b...@wavefront.com> wrote:
>>
>>I haven't been propositioned all that often, but I've generally been
>>flattered when I have. With the notable exception of the time I was
>>walking down the street in Milan, and a man stopped me and said
>>"American?" and I nodded, and he said "Screw? Screw?"
>
>At which point I would start thumbing my pocket dictionary for
>the Italian equivalent of "yo' mama.'"
I just stared at him disbelievingly for a few seconds, then burst into
laughter and walked away. It was a reasonably busy street, and broad
daylight, so I didn't feel at all threatened, just boggled.
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Beth Friedman
Heydt) wrote:
>In article <966534...@bluejo.demon.co.uk>,
>Jo Walton <J...@bluejo.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>I mean it's the same as asking someone to have a cup of tea with you
>>or if you can borrow a book, really, you can ask, you're discovering
>>whether or not they want to, and if it's no, end of story.
>
>No, dammit, it isn't the same!
>
>It is not like asking to share a cup of tea or borrow a book, it
>is asking for the opportunity to mess around with the most
>intimate parts of your body for a few hours and afterwards walk
>away as if they had never met you. And if they ask that of you,
>I call it an open indication that they consider you stupid.
Okay. That's how you feel, and there's no disputing. But honestly,
you can't apply that universally. Especially to people who aren't in
a committed monogamous relationship.
To my mind, there's nothing wrong with someone saying the equivalent
of "I find you attractive and would be interested in having sex/making
love with you. Are you interested in this activity, and with me in
particular?" to me. Especially if I'm in a context where that's (at
least to some extent) the subtext of the activity. I can say yes, I
can say no, and my choice should be respected absolutely. But I would
give a question like that serious consideration rather than an
automatic turndown. And that's really what most of the pickup lines
boil down to.
I'm probably fussier about whom I lend my books too (well, at least
the irreplaceables) than I am about whom I sleep with. But I'm pretty
darn fussy about both.
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
WooF
a polite pick-up line will make it more difficult for somebody
else who **would* like to be picked up to **get* propositioned.,
because that propositioner will be more reluctant to approach
possibly willing partners. It's a real neat way to control
**other* people's sexual behavior -- but how much right do you
have to do that?
George Scithers of owls...@netaxs.com
Julie Pascal
> For myself, I think it's much better to be wanted for all of one's
> self; valorizing the intellectual over the emotional, tangible, and
> sexual doesn't seem at all sensible as conduct.
I agree.
--Julie
Julie Pascal
(...disagreeing with Dorothy said...)
> In contexts -- like technical subject years of the right size at
> universities -- where a)everyone is pretty well known to each other
> and b)no one has _time_ to have an actual social life and c)sex is
> somewhere between this infuriating distraction one's body can't be
> induced to avoid and something quite fun which there isn't enough time
> for, either, in the range of opinions which appertain in the group,
> that sort of 'wanna get laid?' proposition is quite possibly a)not
> meant as a long term offer, b)meant affectionately, and c)represents
> real attraction.
>
> Whichever gender is doing the offering.
I think this is a bit different than what has been described,
which is random sex with perfect strangers. "Picking up"
someone at a bar or party isn't the same thing as deciding
to take a quick trip to a back bedroom with someone you
know, have known, and will see again. Even if that person
is not, and will not be in the future, in a "relationship" with you.
--Julie
Erin C. D.
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:FzG9t...@kithrup.com...
> In article <slrn8pnl0u....@localhost.localdomain>,
> Graydon <gra...@dsl.ca> wrote:
> >On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:38:36 GMT,
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> scripsit:
> >>I can see "No." I can't see "thank you." The man who
> >>propositions a given woman doesn't do so because he thinks she's
> >>particularly beautiful or glamorous. He does it because he
> >>thinks she's stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled. It ain't a
> >>compliment.
> >
> >There are social contexts in which that is not true, and it is a
> >compliment.
>
> Would these social contexts be those in which *all* the females
> are presumed to be stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled?
>
> Dorothy J. Heydt
For someone who has never been in a bar or in a "hit upon" setting, you
sure are making a lot of bizarre conclusions.
A lot of people just want to talk. Being "hit upon" isn't nesscarily a
prelude to sex (tho i will admit that many wish it to be.) It can be a
"gosh, you seem interesting, i'd like to know you better" or a "hey, i'm
bored, wanna chat some?" intro to a conversation.
For as young as i am and as flippant as i seem on here, i've been to all
sorts of social gatherings for all income levels and even tho people know
that i'm married, i still get "hit upon" because people want to meet new
people and have conversations with them. And i have "hit upon" others for
those same wants -- if i hear people talking about something that intrigues
me, i'll jump on in to conversations.
There's nothing wrong with a certain level of social flirting, even if
you are married. On several occasions i've had "Boy, if you were single and
i were single...." moments with other married folk, but we laugh it off,
because we're not single -- but there's nothing wrong with mutual
acknowledgement of the obvious.
I consider it to be a compliment if i am hit on by someone that i would
have considered dating in my previous non-married life (for which i had
rigorous standards.)
And even if they are only interested you for sex that can still be a
compliment -- there's nothing wrong with animal lust, with the right person,
and you'd be foolish to deny yourself taking it as a compliment from the
right individual.
For you to blindly assume that all women who are hit upon are of a
certain gulliable and stupid type is out right folly, and somewhat tedious.
I am not gulliable in the least (except for when i want to seem to be :P)
and am seriously annoyed when people assume that i am, because i tend to act
"cute." Apparently the punishment for being of a nice and even temper,
smiling occasionally, and not being unattractive is to have other people
assume you are stupid, gullible, and put out. I hope you don't have
daughters, or that if you do, they are mute.
Erin Cashier Denton
"The Tangled Tree" & "Poison Taster" @
http://www.bookface.com
personal site, http://www.worldcontrol.org/theri
Julie Pascal
"Ayende Rahien" <Aye...@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:8ngn7s$kci$1...@feedme.surfree.net.il...> news:FzGAG...@kithrup.com...
> > In article <966534...@bluejo.demon.co.uk>,
> > Jo Walton <J...@bluejo.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >I mean it's the same as asking someone to have a cup of tea with you
> > >or if you can borrow a book, really, you can ask, you're discovering
> > >whether or not they want to, and if it's no, end of story.
How about a total stranger asking to have a drink out of
soda bottle?
Ewww... germs.
> >
> > No, dammit, it isn't the same!
> >
> > It is not like asking to share a cup of tea or borrow a book, it
> > is asking for the opportunity to mess around with the most
> > intimate parts of your body for a few hours and afterwards walk
> > away as if they had never met you. And if they ask that of you,
> > I call it an open indication that they consider you stupid.
>
> I would hesitate much longer about lending a book to someone I don't know
> than to take her to bed, but then, I'm a man, that is natural.
> But I disagree with you. As completely as possible.
> You've your opinion, other (including females, I believe) don't. Calling
> them stupid only insult them.
Smart people can do stupid things.
> There are a lot of social occasions when casual sex is not undesireable by
> both sides.
>
> It's is asking for the opportuninity to mess around with the most intimate
> parts of your body, hopefully giving both sides as much pleasure as
> possible, and then go away.
> Granted, there are a lot of reasons why it shouldn't be so. VD & pregnancy
> on the top of the list, but aside from that?
> I think we just have totally differant views of the world :)
Well VD is hardly something to brush aside as marginally
important considering what even some of the non-lethal varieties
can do to you. And if you think condoms are reliable you have
never tried telling the campus doctor that you are using them
for birth control.
Moral questions aside and my personal opinions about
long term psychological effects completely ignored... yes,
having casual sex can only be called foolish. But if you want
to those are your risks to take.
Casual sex with total strangers is far worse than foolish. Particularly
for a woman. A man who asks a *total stranger* if she will
have sex with him is insulting her intellegence... or an utter
fool himself.
The fact that sex is fun, the fact that sex without strings
may be desireable some times, the fact that having sex
with a stranger is exciting in its own way, none of these
things make it any less stupid.
--Julie
Heather Anne Nicoll
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:05:28 -0700,
> Julie Pascal <ju...@pascal.org> scripsit:
> >I think this is a bit different than what has been described,
> >which is random sex with perfect strangers. "Picking up"
> perfect strangers, most of the time. It involves people one knows
> highly superficially, perhaps, but then so have a lot of weddings.
I am now having this strange mental image of propositioning someone at a
wedding. Which I suppose is workable or feasable as socially acceptable
to the mainstream so long as the target isn't the bride/groom, but is a
rather strange circumstance in the best of cases.
*bemused*
--
Heather Nicoll - Darkhawk - http://aelfhame.net/~darkhawk/
My mind has wandered from the flock, you see
And the flock has wandered away from me. . . .
- Oingo Boingo, "Insanity"
Keith Morrison
> >I mean it's the same as asking someone to have a cup of tea with you
> >or if you can borrow a book, really, you can ask, you're discovering
> >whether or not they want to, and if it's no, end of story.
>
> No, dammit, it isn't the same!
>
> It is not like asking to share a cup of tea or borrow a book, it
> is asking for the opportunity to mess around with the most
> intimate parts of your body for a few hours and afterwards walk
> away as if they had never met you. And if they ask that of you,
> I call it an open indication that they consider you stupid.
I see we're into that male/female difference in how sex is looked
at again.
--
Keith
Ayende Rahien
"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:FzGAG...@kithrup.com...
> In article <966534...@bluejo.demon.co.uk>,
> >
> >I mean it's the same as asking someone to have a cup of tea with you
> >or if you can borrow a book, really, you can ask, you're discovering
> >whether or not they want to, and if it's no, end of story.
>
> No, dammit, it isn't the same!
>
> It is not like asking to share a cup of tea or borrow a book, it
> is asking for the opportunity to mess around with the most
> intimate parts of your body for a few hours and afterwards walk
> away as if they had never met you. And if they ask that of you,
> I call it an open indication that they consider you stupid.
I would hesitate much longer about lending a book to someone I don't know
than to take her to bed, but then, I'm a man, that is natural.
But I disagree with you. As completely as possible.
You've your opinion, other (including females, I believe) don't. Calling
them stupid only insult them.
Pierre Jelenc
>
> And I bet it's a slang term of fairly recent coinage too, eh? Damn, I
> don't suppose it was in use pre WWI?
Partridge says it's circa 1955. It was widely used by the mid-60s
Pierre
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Lori Selke
>> >propositions a given woman doesn't do so because he thinks she's
>> >particularly beautiful or glamorous. He does it because he
>> >thinks she's stupid, gullible, and/or round-heeled. It ain't a
>> >compliment.
>>
>> compliment.
>
>like to meet you" sorts of introductions and "I want sex, are
>you willing" come-ons. People have been offering some
>examples of both... but mostly the second type in this thread.
>
>And for the "I want sex" type I have to agree with Dorothy.
And I have to agree with Graydon. There are social contexts in
which is is OK to proposition someone for sex. You, Dorothy,
most people even, might not ever find themselves in such context,
or even want to, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
>And in this day and age (and in any previous one) there are
>darn good reasons *not* to have sex with random strangers.
>Even if you don't have a moral problem with it, it is stupid
>and dangerous.
Now *this* is insulting.
Lori
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