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Arindam Banerjee
Oct 27, 2011, 6:08:33 PM10/27/11
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"I suppose, small people have to resort to finiteness to retain
whatever sanity they possess. But, as the universe is the
manifestation of the Divine, it has to be infinite, for the Divine
has
no limits, by definition.
btw, since when did western scientists become such hardcore atheists?
The very greatest scientists were not atheists - certainly da Vinci
was not, nor was Sir Isaac Newton. Nor Maxwell, nor Tesla. "
The universe cannot be understood by mere physics - metaphysical
concepts (the sounder the better) have to lead investigations. So far
the metaphysical concept was based upon Jewish texts. The God of the
Jews created the universe, some 6000 years ago. Doggedly, the
followers of the Jews's metaphysics (Christians, Muslims, and of
course the Jews themsleves) hang on to the notion of Creation. The
universe had to have a beginning!
Which was fine when they did not have telescopes, nor inquisitive folk
like Copernicus and Galileo.
But after that, the tune changed. With telescopes the universe became
bigger evidently, and so, it had to expand. As and when it became
bigger, its age also aged. From 6000 years till the19- 20th century,
it is now 13.7 billion, with estimates of 4 and 8 in between of
course.
Now, the metaphysics underlying the universe I have explored in my
prose poem, "The Birth of Ganesha". It has received very positive
responses from all those who have read it.
Unfortunately, so much have I been revolted by the mean and ignorant
attitude of most of the posters in usenet, I have not posted it in
usenet as I earlier used to. Like, I posted the "The Dance of the
Enchantress" several years back. Since then, my faith in human nature
has slid downwards, very considerably.
Still, one cannot give up! There have to be some decent and worthy
people in the world, somewhere. Too bad they are so few in number -
and so meek and intimidated by the ruling einsteinian/gandian frauds
and crooks. It is for them, that I hereby pubish below an extract
from "The Birth of Ganesha" that relates to creation. Of course, the
whole poem has to be read for better understanding.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
***********************************************
The Mahadevi was unmoved. She glared terribly at Nandi. Nandi in the
greatest fear bellowed piteously, and tried to squeeze his huge form
behind Shiva. Shiva gestured imploringly, but would that have saved
Nandi?
Then Ganesha flapped his large ears and his small eyes shone with joy
as he recognized his mother. He playfully swung his trunk, and
trumpeted loudly in delight.
The wrath of the Mahadevi was checked.
Men! The Great Goddess, She made a slight gesture, and, lo! Ganesha
was now cradled in Her arms. Her hands passed around his elephant
head, smoothing out the wrinkles. She pinched his belly, and gave it
the rotund shape we know. Hmm, better now, She thought.
Maternal love was once again flowing through Her being – She was,
after all, the Supreme Mother. So what if Her son now had the head of
an elephant, She would love him no less. That incredibly lovely face
of Ganesha, was gone for ever – for She could not bear to re-create
it. It would remain only as a memory. Still, was there not an
unmatchable cuteness now – in the ways his small bright twinkling eyes
could smile? What baby could flap its ears like that? Or curl its
tiny trunk around Her neck, and search below in search of
nourishment? There would be no issues about feeding this baby. No
son could be more faithful and devoted to his mother.
Such warmth of feeling did not extend to the Gods. They now stood
silent, and ashamed. The enormity of Their most abominable crime had
begun to seep into Them, and They were ready to meet Their punishment.
Yet, never had They seen the Great Goddess, Their judge, so very
beautiful, as She was then, with the baby Ganesha in Her arms. Her
voice, when She spoke to Them for the last time, was sad. She did not
even look at Them when She said:
“Out of envy, haste and pride you killed my son. I cannot stay here a
moment longer. If you want to know what I am, within, as a result of
your evil action, look beyond.”
Cold was Her voice – of such coldness that froze not just the Gods,
but the whole of Heaven. They looked around, in fear. The splendid,
gorgeous, perfect bubble They had lived in, was shattered. Heaven as
such was still there – but outside there was cold, cold, cold - and
intensely dark spaces stretching all around beyond any limit, filled
with absolutely nothing. Black was its colour! Thus They saw the
Great Goddess as She really was – the Conqueress of Time and Space –
the MahaKali!
And the Mahadevi, She was there no more. Never again would one foot
of Hers step into Heaven. Heaven thus lost forever, its greatest
ornament.
Shiva was beside Himself in grief, shame and sorrow. “My dearest, I
cannot live without You, I must always be with You. Infinitely great
as You are, infinitely small shall I be, in perpetuity! Such extreme
smallness, multiplied infinitely, will bound a finite to show my
remorse! And that, again, multiplied infinitely, will embrace Your
entire being!” Thus Shiva became immanent as Aum, or all-pervading
ether, that grasps the entire Universe – the Great Goddess that is.
He too would not care to live any more, in Heaven. Only in the most
remote of places, would Shiva, in His own form, be found – and that
too in penance and meditation.
The Gods were left in a state of utter dejection and misery. In
shame, They could not bear to look at Their forms, which had caused
such a crime. They followed the example of Shiva. Discarding Their
anthropomorphic selves, They manifested as objects and natural
phenomena. Agni would manifest as fire, Vayu would manifest as wind,
Indra would manifest as thunder and lightning… Surya became the sun,
and was the first to cast light into the great void, to soothe the
cold and the dark to some extent. All the countless spirits of
Heaven, kindred souls, followed Their examples! Of the great glory of
the Mahadevi, now no more as Herself, They all wanted to be a visible
part…
Thus, the Universe, as we find.
***********************************************
whatever sanity they possess. But, as the universe is the
manifestation of the Divine, it has to be infinite, for the Divine
has
no limits, by definition.
btw, since when did western scientists become such hardcore atheists?
The very greatest scientists were not atheists - certainly da Vinci
was not, nor was Sir Isaac Newton. Nor Maxwell, nor Tesla. "
The universe cannot be understood by mere physics - metaphysical
concepts (the sounder the better) have to lead investigations. So far
the metaphysical concept was based upon Jewish texts. The God of the
Jews created the universe, some 6000 years ago. Doggedly, the
followers of the Jews's metaphysics (Christians, Muslims, and of
course the Jews themsleves) hang on to the notion of Creation. The
universe had to have a beginning!
Which was fine when they did not have telescopes, nor inquisitive folk
like Copernicus and Galileo.
But after that, the tune changed. With telescopes the universe became
bigger evidently, and so, it had to expand. As and when it became
bigger, its age also aged. From 6000 years till the19- 20th century,
it is now 13.7 billion, with estimates of 4 and 8 in between of
course.
Now, the metaphysics underlying the universe I have explored in my
prose poem, "The Birth of Ganesha". It has received very positive
responses from all those who have read it.
Unfortunately, so much have I been revolted by the mean and ignorant
attitude of most of the posters in usenet, I have not posted it in
usenet as I earlier used to. Like, I posted the "The Dance of the
Enchantress" several years back. Since then, my faith in human nature
has slid downwards, very considerably.
Still, one cannot give up! There have to be some decent and worthy
people in the world, somewhere. Too bad they are so few in number -
and so meek and intimidated by the ruling einsteinian/gandian frauds
and crooks. It is for them, that I hereby pubish below an extract
from "The Birth of Ganesha" that relates to creation. Of course, the
whole poem has to be read for better understanding.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
***********************************************
The Mahadevi was unmoved. She glared terribly at Nandi. Nandi in the
greatest fear bellowed piteously, and tried to squeeze his huge form
behind Shiva. Shiva gestured imploringly, but would that have saved
Nandi?
Then Ganesha flapped his large ears and his small eyes shone with joy
as he recognized his mother. He playfully swung his trunk, and
trumpeted loudly in delight.
The wrath of the Mahadevi was checked.
Men! The Great Goddess, She made a slight gesture, and, lo! Ganesha
was now cradled in Her arms. Her hands passed around his elephant
head, smoothing out the wrinkles. She pinched his belly, and gave it
the rotund shape we know. Hmm, better now, She thought.
Maternal love was once again flowing through Her being – She was,
after all, the Supreme Mother. So what if Her son now had the head of
an elephant, She would love him no less. That incredibly lovely face
of Ganesha, was gone for ever – for She could not bear to re-create
it. It would remain only as a memory. Still, was there not an
unmatchable cuteness now – in the ways his small bright twinkling eyes
could smile? What baby could flap its ears like that? Or curl its
tiny trunk around Her neck, and search below in search of
nourishment? There would be no issues about feeding this baby. No
son could be more faithful and devoted to his mother.
Such warmth of feeling did not extend to the Gods. They now stood
silent, and ashamed. The enormity of Their most abominable crime had
begun to seep into Them, and They were ready to meet Their punishment.
Yet, never had They seen the Great Goddess, Their judge, so very
beautiful, as She was then, with the baby Ganesha in Her arms. Her
voice, when She spoke to Them for the last time, was sad. She did not
even look at Them when She said:
“Out of envy, haste and pride you killed my son. I cannot stay here a
moment longer. If you want to know what I am, within, as a result of
your evil action, look beyond.”
Cold was Her voice – of such coldness that froze not just the Gods,
but the whole of Heaven. They looked around, in fear. The splendid,
gorgeous, perfect bubble They had lived in, was shattered. Heaven as
such was still there – but outside there was cold, cold, cold - and
intensely dark spaces stretching all around beyond any limit, filled
with absolutely nothing. Black was its colour! Thus They saw the
Great Goddess as She really was – the Conqueress of Time and Space –
the MahaKali!
And the Mahadevi, She was there no more. Never again would one foot
of Hers step into Heaven. Heaven thus lost forever, its greatest
ornament.
Shiva was beside Himself in grief, shame and sorrow. “My dearest, I
cannot live without You, I must always be with You. Infinitely great
as You are, infinitely small shall I be, in perpetuity! Such extreme
smallness, multiplied infinitely, will bound a finite to show my
remorse! And that, again, multiplied infinitely, will embrace Your
entire being!” Thus Shiva became immanent as Aum, or all-pervading
ether, that grasps the entire Universe – the Great Goddess that is.
He too would not care to live any more, in Heaven. Only in the most
remote of places, would Shiva, in His own form, be found – and that
too in penance and meditation.
The Gods were left in a state of utter dejection and misery. In
shame, They could not bear to look at Their forms, which had caused
such a crime. They followed the example of Shiva. Discarding Their
anthropomorphic selves, They manifested as objects and natural
phenomena. Agni would manifest as fire, Vayu would manifest as wind,
Indra would manifest as thunder and lightning… Surya became the sun,
and was the first to cast light into the great void, to soothe the
cold and the dark to some extent. All the countless spirits of
Heaven, kindred souls, followed Their examples! Of the great glory of
the Mahadevi, now no more as Herself, They all wanted to be a visible
part…
Thus, the Universe, as we find.
***********************************************
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Oct 28, 2011, 4:06:51 AM10/28/11
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In article <8202570f-a4e7-4bc8...@s32g2000prj.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
> . . .
CARL SAGAN'S PRAISE FOR HINDUS
Hinduism Today
August 1999
Got the Time?
According to astrophysicist Carl Sagan, the age of the universe is
somewhere around 12-billion-years-old. The Hindu tradition has a day
and night of Brahm in this range, somewhere in the region of 8.4
billion years. Dr. Sagan said, "As far as I know, India is the only
ancient religious tradition on the Earth which talks about the right
time scale. In the West, people have the sense that what is natural
is for the universe to be a few thousand years old, and that it is
billions of years is mind-reeling, and no one can understand it. The
Hindu concept is very clear. Here is a great world culture which has
always talked about billions of years."
Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1999/8/1999-8-07.shtml
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Arindam Banerjee <adda...@bigpond.com> posted:
> . . .
> But after that, the tune changed. With telescopes the universe became
> bigger evidently, and so, it had to expand. As and when it became
> bigger, its age also aged. From 6000 years till the19- 20th century,
> it is now 13.7 billion, with estimates of 4 and 8 in between of
> course. . . .
> bigger evidently, and so, it had to expand. As and when it became
> bigger, its age also aged. From 6000 years till the19- 20th century,
> it is now 13.7 billion, with estimates of 4 and 8 in between of
CARL SAGAN'S PRAISE FOR HINDUS
Hinduism Today
August 1999
Got the Time?
According to astrophysicist Carl Sagan, the age of the universe is
somewhere around 12-billion-years-old. The Hindu tradition has a day
and night of Brahm in this range, somewhere in the region of 8.4
billion years. Dr. Sagan said, "As far as I know, India is the only
ancient religious tradition on the Earth which talks about the right
time scale. In the West, people have the sense that what is natural
is for the universe to be a few thousand years old, and that it is
billions of years is mind-reeling, and no one can understand it. The
Hindu concept is very clear. Here is a great world culture which has
always talked about billions of years."
Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1999/8/1999-8-07.shtml
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
ZisntZ
Oct 29, 2011, 10:31:41 AM10/29/11
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:08:33 -0700, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> Then Ganesha flapped his large ears and his small eyes shone with joy as
> he recognized his mother. He playfully swung his trunk, and trumpeted
> loudly in delight
Then he looked at his mostly absent step father Shiva who had cut off his
> Then Ganesha flapped his large ears and his small eyes shone with joy as
> he recognized his mother. He playfully swung his trunk, and trumpeted
> loudly in delight
head and then tried to make it up to his very very pissed off wife with
this really lame elephant head as a quick fix. She was not amused so
Shiva decided to make Ganesha the gateway of worship to the gods. This
made everyone happy for a while until Ganesha saw all the really great
fun Krisna was having stealing butter and then fluting around with the
very fetching cow-maids. Having the head of an elephant put a big damper
on peer group acceptance among the opposite sex for sure.
Ganesha then looked upon all humans and decided to go Goth and this
begins another story altogether.
Ilya Shambat
Oct 29, 2011, 12:16:53 PM10/29/11
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lot of what's there is very profound. Glad to see you contributing to
that great tradition.
Arindam Banerjee
Oct 29, 2011, 5:28:13 PM10/29/11
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With best wishes,
Arindam.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Oct 30, 2011, 9:16:51 PM10/30/11
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Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
This message was posted by "S.L." <alon...@erols.com>:
HINDUISM AND CARL SAGAN
Carl Sagan says in this book the Cosmos:
"The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's
great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos
itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number
of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in
which the time scales correspond, to those of modern
scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary
day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64
billion years long. longer than the age of the Earth or
the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And
there are much longer time scales still.
There is the deep and appealing notion that the
universe is but the dream of the god who, after a
Brahma years, dissolves himself into a dreamless sleep.
The universe dissolves with him -- until, after another
Brahma century, he stirs, recomposes himself and begins
again to dream the great cosmic dream.
The Chola bronzes, cast in the 11th century, include
several different incarnations of the god Shiva.
The most elegant and sublime of these is a
representation of the creation of the universe at the
beginning of each cosmic cycle, a motif known as the
cosmic dance of Lord Shiva. The god, called in this
manifestation Nataraja, the Dance King. In the upper
right hand is a drum whose sound is the sound of
creation. In the upper left hand is a tongue of flame,
a reminder that the universe, now newly created, with
billions of years from now will be utterly destroyed.
The late scientist Carl Sagan, asserts that the dance
of Nataraja signifies the cycle of evolution and
destruction of the cosmic universe (Big Bang Theory).
"It is the clearest image of the activity of God which
any art or religion can boast of."
These profound and lovely images are, I like to
imagine, a kind of premonition of modern astronomical
ideas."
Source - "The Cosmos " by Carl Sagan.
- - -
"The sun and the moon, the Lord created like the suns
and the moons of previous cycles." - The Ved
End of forwarded message from "S.L." <alon...@erols.com>
HINDUISM AND CARL SAGAN
Carl Sagan says in this book the Cosmos:
"The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's
great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos
itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number
of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in
which the time scales correspond, to those of modern
scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary
day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64
billion years long. longer than the age of the Earth or
the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And
there are much longer time scales still.
There is the deep and appealing notion that the
universe is but the dream of the god who, after a
Brahma years, dissolves himself into a dreamless sleep.
The universe dissolves with him -- until, after another
Brahma century, he stirs, recomposes himself and begins
again to dream the great cosmic dream.
The Chola bronzes, cast in the 11th century, include
several different incarnations of the god Shiva.
The most elegant and sublime of these is a
representation of the creation of the universe at the
beginning of each cosmic cycle, a motif known as the
cosmic dance of Lord Shiva. The god, called in this
manifestation Nataraja, the Dance King. In the upper
right hand is a drum whose sound is the sound of
creation. In the upper left hand is a tongue of flame,
a reminder that the universe, now newly created, with
billions of years from now will be utterly destroyed.
The late scientist Carl Sagan, asserts that the dance
of Nataraja signifies the cycle of evolution and
destruction of the cosmic universe (Big Bang Theory).
"It is the clearest image of the activity of God which
any art or religion can boast of."
These profound and lovely images are, I like to
imagine, a kind of premonition of modern astronomical
ideas."
Source - "The Cosmos " by Carl Sagan.
- - -
"The sun and the moon, the Lord created like the suns
and the moons of previous cycles." - The Ved
End of forwarded message from "S.L." <alon...@erols.com>
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