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Fred Hall

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Jan 10, 2012, 7:29:47 AM1/10/12
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Kent Wills wrote on 1/10/2012 in <j11og7ht83th4mbp6...@4ax.com>:

> So now Bit is Robert?

I know Bit personally. No, really, no troll, I do. He's an author/painter/poet
currently living in Gallup, New Mexico. I once fronted the cunt my last $32
(US) when we were hitching across the USA back about (I think) 1959, we were on
our way to New Orleans to hook up with (we hoped) William Burroughs and his
wife (Joan?, June?). Bit had gotten lost, hitching from Toronto and ending up
in Kenduskeag, Maine (US), I had begun hitching in Dallas, and somehow ended up
in Maine also (Now that story is a novel in itself, with The Big-Nosed Dude
picking up me and my little brother (after an evening drinking what seemed
like, and probably was, gallons of homemade wine that the father of this sweet
Mexican girl named Dulce had provided)) just north of White Sands, New Mexico,
on US 54 in the middle of a hot August night in 1959, me and my brother
whispering as the hot New Mexican night air blew past us in the back seat of
the guy's 49 DeSoto,

"Ya think he's queer, Fred?"
"Dunno, Mike"
"He looks queer"
"Shut up, Mike, it's a ride"
"What if he tries to rape us?"
"Jesus,Mike"
"I'm getting scared, Fred, lookee at that Big Nose"
"Shut up, Mike, you're drunk. It's a ride"

Well, my little brother pitched such a fit that I finally told Big Nosed Dude
to let us off in Alamogordo, New Mexico, and he did at the corner of 10th and
White Sands Blvd and we spent the rest of the night sleeping in Alameda Park.

Well, like I said, *that* story is a novel in itself, with my little brother,
Mike, being arrested the very next night for peeping in the windows of the good
and decent citizens of Alamogordo, New Mexico.

Anyway, back to Bit Rot and me.

So I hopped the first freight headed south out of Alamogordo (couldn't help
little brother Mike, as I had no money for bail) and when I woke up I was in
Charleston, South Carolina. I was hungry so I went to work picking rice for a
guy named (ironically) E. Carew Rice on Wadmalaw Island. (Let me tell you now
that fresh picked rice is harder to eat than a Brazil Nut), made a little
money, hopped another freight, and when I woke I was in Bangor, Maine. Word on
the street was that a hot chick named Joyce in Kenduskeag would feed and fuck
anyone who could recite a poem,so since I was really hungry and really horny, I
began hitching out of Bangor along Kenduskeag Avenue which turned into
Broadway, which turned into Route 15 and so I came to Kenduskeag, went to
Joyce's house on Grove Street and LO! Behold! There was this scruffy dude
with a Van Dyke beard pounding on Joyce's door. Long story short it was Bit
Rot and Joyce fed us and fucked us, etc.

One morning in December 1959 (I think) Bit Rot pulled me off of (and out of)
Joyce

"Fred, ya got any money?"
"A little, man. Why?"
"Need some cigs, ya cunt"
"Fucking hell, why are you asking, my pants are down there on the floor"
"I'm Canadien, we're always polite"

Well, lemme tell ya, Pilgrim, he took my last $32 (US) and the next I know he's
living with a bunch of weirdos on Eel Pie Island in England! Shades of Woody
Guthrie!

Never did make it to NOLA to see Burroughs, but me and Bit Rot kissed and made
up (sorta) years later. Oh, and little brother Mike? He got out of jail,
married, became a Mormon, and now has 23 children. Go figure.

Kent Wills

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Jan 11, 2012, 5:15:50 AM1/11/12
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:29:47 +0000 (UTC), "Fred Hall"
<fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Kent Wills wrote on 1/10/2012 in <j11og7ht83th4mbp6...@4ax.com>:
>
>> So now Bit is Robert?
>
>I know Bit personally. No, really, no troll, I do. He's an author/painter/poet
>currently living in Gallup, New Mexico. I once fronted the cunt my last $32

[...]

You should write a book and seek publication. I can't know how
much, if any, of what you wrote is true, but I found it an interesting
read.

--
'Life is pain. Anybody that says different is selling something.'
-- Fezzik's mother
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Hieronymous707

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Jan 11, 2012, 8:35:52 AM1/11/12
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Kent Wills wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:29:47 +0000 (UTC), "Fred Hall"
> <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Kent Wills wrote on 1/10/2012 in <j11og7ht83th4mbp6...@4ax.com>:
> >
> >> So now Bit is Robert?
> >
> >I know Bit personally. No, really, no troll, I do. He's an author/painter/poet
> >currently living in Gallup, New Mexico. I once fronted the cunt my last $32
>
> [...]
>
> You should write a book and seek publication. I can't know how
> much, if any, of what you wrote is true, but I found it an interesting
> read.

I wouldn't have thought it even possible previously, but I absolutely
concur with the above save one minor exception that's not even worth
mentioning so I won't other than this.
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Hieronymous707

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Jan 11, 2012, 10:00:54 AM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 9:03 am, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hieronymous707 wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <df7c8bc8-1b8f-496b-b3bb-3a4793f28...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>:
>
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> > Kent Wills wrote:
> > > On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:29:47 +0000 (UTC), "Fred Hall"
> > > <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Kent Wills wrote on 1/10/2012 in
> > > > <j11og7ht83th4mbp6k2u889qd0fvqea...@4ax.com>:
>
> > > >> So now Bit is Robert?
>
> > > > I know Bit personally.  No, really, no troll, I do. He's an
> > > > author/painter/poet currently living in Gallup, New Mexico. I once
> > > > fronted the cunt my last $32
>
> > > [...]
>
> > >      You should write a book and seek publication.  I can't know how
> > > much, if any, of what you wrote is true, but I found it an interesting
> > > read.
>
> > I wouldn't have thought it even possible previously, but I absolutely
> > concur with the above save one minor exception that's not even worth
> > mentioning so I won't other than this.
>
> Oh,come on, you know you want to mention it
>
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No, actually I'd rather keep you in [...] Oops, you almost made me
say it right there so I better not say any more about the matter I
refuse to discuss with you because it simply isn't important enough
for you to worry your poor little head about. I don't mean that to
sound condescending. I mean to be specific in referencing worry to
your poor little head as opposed to your well off big head that
obviously has nothing to worry about.
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Hieronymous707

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Jan 11, 2012, 10:28:01 AM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 10:18 am, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hieronymous707 wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <2ba53372-3fcf-4a1f-acda-d21860c72...@o14g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>:
> Big head? LOL
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What I'm saying is I don't think Confidence is specifically the issue,
or at least it shouldn't be anything for you to worry about. I've got
extra if you ever need some and I'm nothing if not generous with it.
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Hieronymous707

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Jan 11, 2012, 10:51:56 AM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 10:34 am, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hieronymous707 wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <5a5b0bb9-d468-4abd-ab8b-cdd81b241...@a11g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>:
> Which issue are you referring to?  Bear with me.  I'm a little slower than
> usual today.  Dense, I mean.  Unable to comprehend is what I mean
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The problem isn't with you, Fred. I'm just saying things. I obviously
have no idea what I'm talking about but I do appreciate you humoring
me with the opportunity to respond. Don't waste any more time on me
and my nonsense. Have a wonderful day.

Will Dockery

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Jan 11, 2012, 12:16:36 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 10, 7:29 am, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Funny satire... makes me remeber a good on National Lampoon ran back
in the early 1970s when I was just discovering the Beats, it was
called the Dramamine Bums I think.

--
Gone Too Far / Will Dockery
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11596860
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Will Dockery

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Jan 11, 2012, 12:44:48 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 12:34 pm, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <207ff429-572d-4b97-9495-8aec024ef...@g41g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>:
> > > Well, like I said, that story is a novel in itself, with my little brother,
> > Funny satire... makes me remember a good one National Lampoon ran back
> > in the early 1970s when I was just discovering the Beats, it was
> > called the Dramamine Bums I think.
>
> Thanks, Dockery.  I figured you would get the joke
>
> --

Yeah... delving & scrolling now to see if the old Nat Lamp piece
happens to be archived anywhere online. Haven't read that in almost 40
years or so.
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Hieronymous707

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Jan 11, 2012, 1:33:27 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 1:27 pm, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <6e1f1a14-8965-41e6-b33f-b2c130ba8...@q8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>:
> I've never read it.  Give us a link.  When you have time, of course
>
> --

Shut up and write bitch.
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Will Dockery

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Jan 11, 2012, 2:28:37 PM1/11/12
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> I've never read it.  Give us a link.  When you have time, of course
>
> --

I was looking earlier because I'd like to read it again myself, but so
far all I've come up with are mentions of the piece, such as:

http://www.litkicks.com/Biblio/KerouacBiblio.html

PARODIES:

"The Dramamine Bums," NATIONAL LAMPOON, April 1975, 29-32.

"Kerouac: The Suburbterraneans." In ESQUIRES WORLD OF HUMOR, 40-41.
Commentary by David Newman, NY: Esquire, Inc., 1964.

Pinkus, Philip. "More on 'Kerouac's Sound': The First Book of Beat,"
TAMARACK REVIEW, No.12 (1959): 72-73.

Ross, Stan. "The Dislocated Hipsters," THE REALISTS, No.1 (1958): 32.

Scott, Martin. "Hickory, Dickory, Kerouac," PLAYBOY, March 1958, 65.

Updike, John. "On the Sidewalk: (After Reading, At Long Last, 'On The
Road,' by Jack Kerouac)," NEW YORKER, 21 February 1959, 32.

Zilbur, Jacob. "More on 'Kerouac's Sound': The Love Song of J. Alfred
Beatnik," TAMARACK REVIEW, No.12 (1959): 73-75.

Will Dockery

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Jan 11, 2012, 3:24:16 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 5:15 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:29:47 +0000 (UTC), "Fred Hall" wrote:
> >Kent Wills wrote on 1/10/2012 in <j11og7ht83th4mbp6k2u889qd0fvqea...@4ax.com>:
>
> >> So now Bit is Robert?
>
> >I know Bit personally.  No, really, no troll, I do. He's an author/painter/poet
> >currently living in Gallup, New Mexico. I once fronted the cunt my last $32
>
> [...]
>
>      You should write a book and seek publication.  I can't know how
> much, if any, of what you wrote is true, but I found it an interesting
> read.
>
> --
> 'Life is pain. Anybody that says different is selling something.'
>      -- Fezzik's mother

Indeed... I didn't realize Fred had it in him, terrific satire.

Anyway Fred, I've delved & scrolled all over for as long as time would
allow, it doesn't appear that anyone's posted "Dramamine Bums" online
yet... I've seen a couple other Kerouac parodies, such as Updike's "On
The Sidewalk", but the Nat Lamp piece is the one that nails JK best
imo.

I did find some pretty funny self-parody, written by Jack Kerouac
which is pretty funny, though.

A "fair-use" excerpt of that:

http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/25460

‘Now man, that alto man last night had IT- he held it once he found
it; I’ve never seen a guy who could hold so long.’ I wanted to know
what ‘IT’ meant. ‘Ah well’- Dean laughed- ‘now you’re asking me impon-
de-rables- ahem! Here’s a guy and everybody’s there, right? Up to him
to put down what’s on everybody’s mind. He starts the first chorus,
then lines up his ideas, people, yeah, yeah, but gets it, and then he
rises to his fate and has to blow equal to it. All of a sudden
somewhere in the middle of the chorus he gets it- everybody looks up
and knows; they listen; he picks it up and carries. Time stops. He’s
filling empty space with the substance of our lives, confessions of
his bellybottom strain, remembrance of ideas, rehashes of old blowing.
He has to blow across bridges and come back and do it with such
infinite feeling soul-exploratory for a tune of the moment that
everybody knows it’s not the tune that counts but IT-‘ -Jack Kerouac

--
Music & poetry from Will Dockery:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

Hieronymous707

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Jan 11, 2012, 2:15:16 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 1:49 pm, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hieronymous707 wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <5b3f765b-1866-48a3-921e-3b60edd28...@a11g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>:
> bitch.  How does that look on the page?  Am I making progress?
>
> --

WTF is with all the questions? I told you I don't know what I'm
talking about and to stop paying attention to my nonsense. Knowing you
like I do I knew you wouldn't pay attention to that so I told you to
shut and write which you again seem to have ignored in order to focus
on the very last bit of nonsense I wrote. You know how to pay
attention but you apparently don't ignore nonsense well without
feeling like you have to respond to it with nonsense in kind.
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Will Dockery

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Jan 11, 2012, 5:11:16 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 1:33 pm, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote on 1/11/2012 in
>> > <207ff429-572d-4b97-9495-8aec024ef...@g41g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>:
> > > >>"Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Kent Wills:
Great idea...

Write Freddy Write!
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Will Dockery

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Jan 11, 2012, 5:29:21 PM1/11/12
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> I'll scroll back and delve into that idea when I get back and have more time
>
> --

Yeah, speaking of that noble activity, I had time today, and after
much scrolling & delving into the archives, couldn't find any postings
or excerpts from the "Dramamine Bums" Kerouac satire anywhere so
far... one of those things that may surface eventually, as that sort
of thing seems to happen.

pandora

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Jan 11, 2012, 5:45:33 PM1/11/12
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:15:50 -0600, Kent Wills wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:29:47 +0000 (UTC), "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Kent Wills wrote on 1/10/2012 in
>><j11og7ht83th4mbp6...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> So now Bit is Robert?
>>
>>I know Bit personally. No, really, no troll, I do. He's an
>>author/painter/poet currently living in Gallup, New Mexico. I once
>>fronted the cunt my last $32
>
> [...]
>
> You should write a book and seek publication. I can't know how
> much, if any, of what you wrote is true, but I found it an interesting
> read.

As did I. Fascinating even.

Hieronymous707

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Jan 11, 2012, 5:39:11 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 4:39 pm, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hieronymous707 wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <d85f4e52-14e8-45b7-bbb3-2c2a1a329...@cf6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:
> I do that?
>
> --

Nonsense.
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Will Dockery

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Jan 11, 2012, 6:22:57 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 6:02 pm, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> pandora wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <ZPWdnRQL4rSQjJPSnZ2dnUVZ_jGdn...@scnresearch.com>:
>
> > On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:15:50 -0600, Kent Wills wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:29:47 +0000 (UTC), "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Kent Wills wrote on 1/10/2012 in
> > > > <j11og7ht83th4mbp6k2u889qd0fvqea...@4ax.com>:
>
> > >>> So now Bit is Robert?
>
> > > > I know Bit personally.  No, really, no troll, I do. He's an
> > > > author/painter/poet currently living in Gallup, New Mexico. I once
> > > > fronted the cunt my last $32
>
> > > [...]
>
> > >      You should write a book and seek publication.  I can't know how
> > > much, if any, of what you wrote is true, but I found it an interesting
> > > read.
>
> > As did I.  Fascinating even.
>
> Thank you
>
> --

Wow, it's Marg/Pandora... who hasn't posted to the poetry newsgroups
in years!

Hello, Marg!

Fred Hall

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Jan 11, 2012, 6:27:27 PM1/11/12
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Hieronymous707 wrote on 1/11/2012 in
<632080f4-018c-4d33...@a11g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>:
I feel as if I need to respond to this

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Hieronymous707

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Jan 11, 2012, 6:37:14 PM1/11/12
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On Jan 11, 6:27 pm, "Fred Hall" <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hieronymous707 wrote on 1/11/2012 in
> <632080f4-018c-4d33-a4e3-0128b98d2...@a11g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>:
Oh, okay. I thought your question a rhetorical joke. My mistake. In
answer to your question, yes you do that very obviously. That's why I
thought you were joking.
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