Today...HJ sets the record straight...
Sergeant Preston
This is the poster known as Honest John (hones...@centurytel.net)
that has posted to this newsgroup for the last six years under such
nyms as: HJ; KHJ; Sgt. Preston; and King John I of AUK, and
art.colorado.carl.deco.
I wish to set the record straight about a six year "Flame War" with
Carl R. Osterwald that occurred in this newsgroup and several other
groups.
I have fabricated and posted untrue posts about Carl R. Osterwald,
C.R. Osterwald, and Art Deco for the last six years. In some of these
posts I have stated that Mr. Osterwald was a pedophile, and/or a
homosexual, and was fired from his job. These statements were
entirely false and completely inappropriate.
I regret being "caught-up" in the "Flame War" and wish to convey a
sincere and heart-felt apology to Carl and his wife Yvonne Osterwald.
I promise to never post anything negative about them...EVER again !!
Sincerely,
John Cook (a.k.a. HJ)
Edward Theodore Gein
<3036e252-90bd-4286...@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Sergeant Preston <Sgt.P...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have fabricated and posted untrue posts about Carl R. Osterwald,
> C.R. Osterwald, and Art Deco for the last six years. In some of these
> posts I have stated that Mr. Osterwald was a pedophile, and/or a
> homosexual, and was fired from his job. These statements were
> entirely false and completely inappropriate.
>
> I regret being "caught-up" in the "Flame War" and wish to convey a
> sincere and heart-felt apology to Carl and his wife Yvonne Osterwald.
You rednecks spend all your time apologizing to each other. Never seen
anything like it. Do you wash each other's feet too? Do all y'all live
together in one big yurt?
--
You made me this way asshole
Imbeciles are easy; toss up shit, it attracts flies
I have an irony meter and YES i am legally allowed to own one
I
That's going to really stick in Greg's craw. Poor Mr. Hall, more alone
than ever now.
--
Greg's wrong guesses so far:
Aratzio
Spooge
Mad As A Box Of Frogs
Vince
Art Deco
Mike Manners aka Bitty Bill
Johnny Dollar
Kevin Cannon
yourfriend
Fred Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:iorgdg$58v$2...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> Sergeant Preston wrote:
>> To whom it may concern,
>>
>> This is the poster known as Honest John (hones...@centurytel.net)
>> that has posted to this newsgroup for the last six years under such
>> nyms as: HJ; KHJ; Sgt. Preston; and King John I of AUK, and
>> art.colorado.carl.deco.
>>
>> I wish to set the record straight about a six year "Flame War" with
>> Carl R. Osterwald that occurred in this newsgroup and several other
>> groups.
>>
>> I have fabricated and posted untrue posts about Carl R. Osterwald,
>> C.R. Osterwald, and Art Deco for the last six years. In some of these
>> posts I have stated that Mr. Osterwald was a pedophile, and/or a
>> homosexual, and was fired from his job. These statements were
>> entirely false and completely inappropriate.
>>
>> I regret being "caught-up" in the "Flame War" and wish to convey a
>> sincere and heart-felt apology to Carl and his wife Yvonne Osterwald.
>>
>> I promise to never post anything negative about them...EVER again !!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> John Cook (a.k.a. HJ)
>
> That's going to really stick in Greg's craw. Poor Mr. Hall, more alone
> than ever now.
Hey, loser, that's not H.J. It's obviously just another one of those TOR
trolls. Get a clue you ass. Has it ever occurred to you that you're just too
stupid to be an effective troll?
--
Gregory Hall
Hägar
" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greg...@home.fake> wrote in message
news:4kois2....@news.alt.net...
> "I" <ia...@datatbasix.com> wrote in message
> news:iorgdg$58v$2...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
< snip >
Honest John wouldn't post untruthiness ...
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
How do you explain the posting host?
> Get a clue you ass. Has it ever occurred to you that
> you're just too stupid to be an effective troll?
At least he can read a header.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:iosfrv$1l8$1...@news.datemas.de...
Posting host can be anything a TOR user programs it to be in the headers. I
can do the same thing using remailers and mail2news Good grief! No wonder
you still harbour hopes that the author of the infamous Novins libel post
can be identified. Wake up Rhonda, it ain't gonna happen. The Novins
defamation will go down in history as 'author unknown.' TOR is invincible.
Cumbersome but effective nonetheless.
--
Gregory Hall
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
Well, then, if the apology post was intended to get HJ off the hook in the
lawsuit, I've guess you've fucked him over entirely.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
HJ couldn't care less about the bogus libel complaint. Haven't you read the
real posts he made about the situation? He repeatedly said you can't get
blood outta a turnip. He's laughing his ass off because the money the Rubes
are spending in irrecoverable. Thrown down the toilet, so to speak.
--
Gregory Hall
Meat Plow
> HJ couldn't care less about the bogus libel complaint. Haven't you read
> the real posts he made about the situation? He repeatedly said you can't
> get blood outta a turnip. He's laughing his ass off because the money
> the Rubes are spending in irrecoverable. Thrown down the toilet, so to
> speak.
Greg Greg Greg Greg... it's always been a 'finger point and laugh' of
yours that those "Rubes" as you call them who are being sued will have to
invest in legal representation, second, third mortgage whatever it takes
to defend themselves. I'm surprised you've forgotten the hundreds of
times you've posted to this and now you've suddenly forgotten it.
And have you also forgotten a judgment can tie up future resources
for the rest of a person's life. That's one Sword of Damocles nobody
wants hanging over their head. LOL!
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
Emmett BADASS Gulley
> >news:iorgdg$58v$2...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> >> Sergeant Preston wrote:
> >>> To whom it may concern,
>
> >>> that has posted to this newsgroup for the last six years under such
> >>> nyms as: HJ; KHJ; Sgt. Preston; and King John I of AUK, and
> >>> art.colorado.carl.deco.
>
> >>> I wish to set the record straight about a six year "Flame War" with
> >>> Carl R. Osterwald that occurred in this newsgroup and several other
> >>> groups.
>
> >>> I have fabricated and posted untrue posts about Carl R. Osterwald,
> >>> C.R. Osterwald, and Art Deco for the last six years. In some of
> >>> these posts I have stated that Mr. Osterwald was a pedophile,
> >>> and/or a homosexual, and was fired from his job. These statements
> >>> were entirely false and completely inappropriate.
>
> >>> I regret being "caught-up" in the "Flame War" and wish to convey a
> >>> sincere and heart-felt apology to Carl and his wife Yvonne
> >>> Osterwald. I promise to never post anything negative about them...EVER
> >>> again !!
>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> John Cook (a.k.a. HJ)
>
> >> That's going to really stick in Greg's craw. Poor Mr. Hall, more
> >> alone than ever now.
>
> > Hey, loser, that's not H.J. It's obviously just another one of those
> > TOR trolls.
>
> How do you explain the posting host?
RHONDA, haven't you been in AUK long enough to know that posting hosts
can be altered?????????
Meat-plow has done it many times, Cujo has done it too.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
AFAIK, you cannot spoof the IP when posting to Google Groups (although you
can certainly hide your own IP using a proxy server). As to Greg's
contention, I challenge him post through Google using HJ's IP address (not
to mention HJ's Google account).
> Meat-plow has done it many times, Cujo has done it too.
Cujo has never done any such thing.
I haven't a clue about Meat Plow.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:b651e2c0-1cc9-4a02...@k40g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
Show me one instance where I actually have done so.
Put up or shut up, Dweeb.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I was an astrologer 1000 times in Babylon." - Edmo the loon.
JeffRelf.F-M.FM
Were you ( John Cook, Honest John ) forced to apologize to Carl and Yvonne Osterwald ?
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:JeffRelf.F-M.FM@_4w.2011_Apr.22_.4.51.pm...
> Were you ( John Cook, Honest John )
> forced to apologize to Carl and Yvonne Osterwald ?
I'm pretty sure that post was a forgery. It could be that HJ had a change of
heart or perhaps he got some legal advice whereby it was concluded that all
it would take to drop the complaint was an apology but I doubt it. Something
smells rotten in Denmark.
--
Gregory Hall
JeffRelf.F-M.FM
The post was not forgery. John Cook, a.k.a. Honest John, apologized to Carl and Yvonne Osterwald. But why ?
JeffRelf.F-M.FM
I know the post was not forgery because I know it was made from Google Groups, and I know the IP address and OS ( Win98 ). I used two different servers to verify the end·path ( Google ), to wit: news:3036e252-90bd-4286...@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com Path at newsRead.Glorb.COM:80: glorb.com ! highwinds-media.com ! googlegroups.com Path at News.US.Usenet-News.NET:8080: usenet-news.net ! readnews.com ! googlegroups.com Notice how simple it was, not a lot of servers in the path.
Emmett BADASS Gulley
wrote:
Greg, the post IS a Forgery. HJ never posted an apology nor will he
ever post an apology. Both you and I know HJ enough to know that he
has posted himself that Rhonda's claim of him getting served is a lie.
>
> --
> Gregory Hall
Emmett BADASS Gulley
LOL! then you don't know about quicksilver then. and that's all i will
say on the subject.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
<JeffRelf.F-M.FM> wrote in message
news:JeffRelf.F-M.FM@_FE.2011_Apr.22_.6.28.pm...
The post was not forgery.
John Cook, a.k.a. Honest John, apologized to Carl and Yvonne Osterwald.
But why ?
Because a third-party complaint was filed against him in the Novins'
lawsuit. It appears that a public apology is what is required to get him off
the hook. There may be other things he will have to do, but it's quite
possible we will never know what they are.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
Oh please, Emmett, explain to everyone how spoofing your MAC address is
going to enable you to spoof your IP such that it is the same as HJ's.
You fucking moron.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:JeffRelf.F-M.FM@_BK.2011_Apr.22_.6.44.pm...
The path one sees is different depending upon the location of the reader.
Not a lot of servers in the path could just indicate a minimal, simplistic
and bogus path - i.e. a path-preload. And, your simple googlegroups.com is a
joke. A google post is never that simple as it has to go through about three
different google servers in real life to get out into the larger Usenet
network.
That's perhaps the main reason I think it's forged. It can have all the
typical google headers yet STILL not be from Google just like a post NOT
from Altopia which forges me can have all the Altopia information but an
e-mail to Chris asking if it was injected there will result in a 'negative -
it was injected somewhere else along the path. HJ's google email address
also would NOT be the centurytel addy. It has to be a dedicated google mail
addy in order to create a google groups account in order to post from google
groups.
The forger could use some forging lessons from an expert like yours truly.
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:JeffRelf.F-M.FM@_FE.2011_Apr.22_.6.28.pm...
> The post was not forgery.
> John Cook, a.k.a. Honest John, apologized to Carl and Yvonne Osterwald.
>
> But why ?
Are you sure? Ask yourself when was the last time you saw a Google post that
used an email other than a Gmail account. In this case the forger screwed up
and used the old HJ CenturyTel addy.
If it DOES turn out to not be a forgery then perhaps HJ got around to
reading the complaint and perhaps a public apology as asked for in order to
drop the complaint? If that were the case, HJ would be dumb not to apologize
just as Meat would have been dumb not to apologize.
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:1d2baa9f-f6ab-4df7...@l36g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
Emmett, I have good reason to believe HJ was served. Why, even in this very
group HJ said he had been served but was not going to worry about it because
he was in bankruptcy and they couldn't get blood out of a turnip. But, I
also have a couple good reasons, after closely examining the headers, that
the apology is a forgery. In particular, is the CenturyTel email addy. In
order to post using Google groups one MUST use a Gmail address because it
takes one to create posting privileges on GGroups.
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<snip>
>
> AFAIK, you cannot spoof the IP when posting to Google Groups (although you
> can certainly hide your own IP using a proxy server). As to Greg's
> contention, I challenge him post through Google using HJ's IP address (not
> to mention HJ's Google account).
Um, Rhonda, you missed the point which is the post 'appears' to have come
from Google Groups. Appearances can be deceiving, however. Just like the
original Novin's libel post 'appeared' to have come from Google Groups, did
it? Or, was it a clever forgery that made it appear to have come from Google
Groups? What did Novins find out about it while communicating with Google?
That it wasn't injected there?
I could NOT post such a forgery as the HJ apology using GGroups but I could
post it using an open server and NewsMaestro. And, I would not make the
dumb, amateur mistake of using a CenturyTel email addy when Google Groups
allows posting only using the GMail account used to set up posting in Google
Groups. Furthermore, I would not make the mistake of path-preloading only
one Google NNTP server when it requires a minimum of three to propagate.
Get it?
Now, there is a new Novins libel post that sounds like it's been written by
a lawyer seemingly using the reecenet.au. remailer and dizum m2n gateway.
But, did it really? Somebody who has access to an open NNTP server can
create whatever headers he desires to make a post look like came from
anywhere in the world. All the better to confuse his adversaries. It appears
to me that one of the bitter stAUKers has done just that. Cannon is perhaps
the most expert at networking shenanigans. He's on my short list.
Oh, open NNTP servers do appear from time to time. When that happens then
ANYTHING goes. It's like having you very own personal news server with no
rules.
Usenet, thank God, can STILL be total anarchy. That's as it should be.
That's how it used to be before all the freaking neKKKops and net nannies
held sway to the detriment of free speech.
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<snip>
>
> Oh please, Emmett, explain to everyone how spoofing your MAC address is
> going to enable you to spoof your IP such that it is the same as HJ's.
Two little words, Rhonda. Open server!
Oh, Quicksilver is an email client that can be teamed with Mixmaster to
encrypt and anonymize remailer/mail2news posts. It has nothing to do with
changing MAC addresses. To do that one might wish to use something like
Technitium MAC Address Changer v5 R3 if one wishes to cover one's tracks.
--
Gregory Hall
Emmett BADASS Gulley
wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleak...@earthling.net> wrote in messagenews:iot261$dlt$1...@news.datemas.de...
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > AFAIK, you cannot spoof the IP when posting to Google Groups (although you
> > can certainly hide your own IP using a proxy server). As to Greg's
> > contention, I challenge him post through Google using HJ's IP address (not
> > to mention HJ's Google account).
>
> Um, Rhonda, you missed the point which is the post 'appears' to have come
> from Google Groups. Appearances can be deceiving, however. Just like the
> original Novin's libel post 'appeared' to have come from Google Groups, did
> it? Or, was it a clever forgery that made it appear to have come from Google
> Groups? What did Novins find out about it while communicating with Google?
> That it wasn't injected there?
>
> I could NOT post such a forgery as the HJ apology using GGroups but I could
> post it using an open server and NewsMaestro. And, I would not make the
> dumb, amateur mistake of using a CenturyTel email addy when Google Groups
> allows posting only using the GMail account used to set up posting in Google
> Groups.
Greg. you can use any email addy you want in google groups because
alex has proven this.
Furthermore, I would not make the mistake of path-preloading only
> one Google NNTP server when it requires a minimum of three to propagate.
>
> Get it?
>
> Now, there is a new Novins libel post that sounds like it's been written by
> a lawyer seemingly using the reecenet.au. remailer and dizum m2n gateway.
> But, did it really? Somebody who has access to an open NNTP server can
> create whatever headers he desires to make a post look like came from
> anywhere in the world. All the better to confuse his adversaries. It appears
> to me that one of the bitter stAUKers has done just that. Cannon is perhaps
> the most expert at networking shenanigans. He's on my short list.
this new libel post could not have come at a better time greg because
it now puts RHONDA and the staukers right back in to the case.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:249b84b4dd8b326e...@ecn.org...
> An apology to Osterwald? LMFARO!
>
> Carl is a stalker and a prick. And he deserves what he gets and got. He
> picked on my people who did nothing to him. maybe it's time to e-mail
> all of Carl's co-workers and call his neighbors and let them know about
> the stalking fucknozzle who works and lives near them.
>
> Fuck you, osterwald, you piece of shit. burn in fucking hell.
>
Totally bogus Mail2News path headers. This post is definitely done through
an open NNTP server. Some troll is having a grand time until somebody wakes
up and secures the server.
--
Gregory Hall
Emmett BADASS Gulley
wrote:
> "Emmett BADASS Gulley" <emmettgulle...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1d2baa9f-f6ab-4df7...@l36g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
GREG, the post where HJ claimed he was served was a forgery and HJ
even stated this several times that he was not served.
I too looked at the headers of both the apology and HJ's supposed
admission that he got served and they are one in the same headers.
What amazes me is how stupid the person was who posted this latest
libel post, because this new post puts ALL of the staukers right back
into the case again.
> --
> Gregory Hall
Emmett BADASS Gulley
wrote:
> "JeffRelf.F-M.FM" wrote in message
>
> news:JeffRelf.F-M.FM@_FE.2011_Apr.22_.6.28.pm...
>
> > The post was not forgery.
> > John Cook, a.k.a. Honest John, apologized to Carl and Yvonne Osterwald.
>
> > But why ?
>
> Are you sure? Ask yourself when was the last time you saw a Google post that
> used an email other than a Gmail account. In this case the forger screwed up
> and used the old HJ CenturyTel addy.
Using quicksiver, any person can use google's servers IF and only IF
they have an active google account themselves.
as far as Email addys go, alex cain has 2 different acccounts using an
email address other than gmail.
I fooled around with quicksilver and quicksilver lite when they first
came out and discovered that google's servers will show up in the path
if the poster has an active gmail account.
Emmett BADASS Gulley
> An apology to Osterwald? LMFARO!
>
> Carl is a stalker and a prick. And he deserves what he gets and got. He
> picked on my people who did nothing to him. maybe it's time to e-mail
> all of Carl's co-workers and call his neighbors and let them know about
> the stalking fucknozzle who works and lives near them.
>
> Fuck you, osterwald, you piece of shit. burn in fucking hell.
Hello Novins
Emmett BADASS Gulley
ROTFLMAO!! Rhonda, do you know there are programs out there that
change MAC addresses???????
>
> You fucking moron.
YES YOU ARE!
>
>
>
> >>> Meat-plow has done it many times, Cujo has done it too.
>
> >> Cujo has never done any such thing.
>
> >> I haven't a clue about Meat Plow.
>
> >>>>> Get a clue you ass. Has it ever occurred to you that
> >>>>> you're just too stupid to be an effective troll?
>
> >>>> At least he can read a header.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Emmett BADASS Gulley
Look at how you worded this post Rhonda. That tells me that you are
full of shit as The REAL HJ has stated.
the REAL HJ has posted that he was never served any papers related to
the novins case nor is he in bankruptcy.
Emmett BADASS Gulley
BTW, Laptop wireless Mac addresses are NOT always HARD CODED because
mine isn't. i have spoofed my MAC ADDY several times
>
> You fucking moron.
>
>
>
> >>> Meat-plow has done it many times, Cujo has done it too.
>
> >> Cujo has never done any such thing.
>
> >> I haven't a clue about Meat Plow.
>
> >>>>> Get a clue you ass. Has it ever occurred to you that
> >>>>> you're just too stupid to be an effective troll?
>
Meat Plow
> RHONDA, haven't you been in AUK long enough to know that posting hosts
> can be altered?????????
>
> Meat-plow has done it many times, Cujo has done it too.
Time for you to backup your bullshit. Post the headers of the "many times"
I've altered my posting host. In reality, Altopia doesn't even
add a posting host to be altered :)
You lose. Again.
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
Meat Plow
>>RHONDA, haven't you been in AUK long enough to know that posting hosts
>>can be altered?????????
>
> Well lets see you demonstrate oh Usenet hacker god emma.
>
>>Meat-plow has done it many times, Cujo has done it too.
>
> Show proof that either one of them have ever done such a thing.
Altopia doesn't add an NNTP-Posting-Host field. How could it be
altered if it doesn't exist?
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Meat Plow
>> AFAIK, you cannot spoof the IP when posting to Google Groups (although
>> you can certainly hide your own IP using a proxy server). As to Greg's
>> contention, I challenge him post through Google using HJ's IP address
>> (not to mention HJ's Google account).
>
> LOL! then you don't know about quicksilver then. and that's all i will
> say on the subject.
That's because you don't know jack shit about it.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
Interesting bunch of questions, Greg, or would be, if it all weren't a bunch
of bullshit.
Now get cracking to prove that you can do what you asserted has been done.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
I haven't seen the post (someone have a link or message ID?) but even if
some asshole has done it again, it has nothing to do with the current case.
If Novins has been libeled again, he's going to have to go through the
exercise, starting from scratch, again.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
> news:iotctc$vd4$1...@news.datemas.de...
> <snip>
>>
>> Oh please, Emmett, explain to everyone how spoofing your MAC address
>> is going to enable you to spoof your IP such that it is the same as
>> HJ's.
>
>
> Two little words, Rhonda. Open server!
>
> Oh, Quicksilver is an email client that can be teamed with Mixmaster
http://wn.com/Tutorial__Spoof_MAC_Address_in_OS_X
With all of Emmett's earlier going on about MAC addresses, who knew he was
talking about this:
But that still doesn't get him to spoofing HJ's server in Google Groups.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
=================[reply]============================
Emmett, so let me get this straight. You are saying that there were two HJ's
posting and one of them was a forger and the forger was the one admitting to
have been served and in bankruptcy while the real one denied those claims?
Funny, but I never saw the posts by the HJ (real or forger) who was claiming
he was NOT served or NOT in bankruptcy. Maybe that guy was the forger and in
my killfile and I only saw posts from the real HJ aka 'Aratzio." Hmmmm.
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<snip>
>
> BTW, Laptop wireless Mac addresses are NOT always HARD CODED because
> mine isn't. i have spoofed my MAC ADDY several times
Emmett, any laptop wireless adapter has a MAC address coded into the
hardware. It cannot be easily changed by the end-user. What can be changed
by thesoftware MAC address changers is the record in the Windows registry
where a copy of the wireless adapter MAC address resides for networking
purposes. This original copy is simply overwritten by the MAC address
software. When you 'spoof' your MAC you don't change it in the wireless
adapter hardware, rather you change it only in the registry. However, the
wireless access point to which you connect only 'sees' and logs the changed
MAC address. So pinning the connection session on your computer is damned
nigh impossible provided you frequently change MAC addresses.
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<snip>
>
> Greg. you can use any email addy you want in google groups because
> alex has proven this.
Correction, you can use any number of created google groups accounts using
various gmail addresses. You have to log onto Google Groups using a gmail
account. You cannot log onto Google Groups using a Hotmail account, for
example. When you log onto Google groups using a gmail account that is the
email address that Google Groups posts propagates. Maybe Google Groups now
allows Yahoo and some other mail accounts to log on with but I don't think
CenturyTel is among them. Hence, my thinking that the HJ apology is a
forgery.
<snip>
> this new libel post could not have come at a better time greg because
> it now puts RHONDA and the staukers right back in to the case.
Sure sounds like intimidation and coercion of the worst kind to me. Typical
of the bully tactics the stAUKers are infamous for. Definitely actionable,
IMO, but I'm sure the author has covered his tracks so it can never be
pinned on him. As for putting the et al crowd back into the case, I fail to
see how. But, if it could, then don't you think it increases the chances
that Novins, himself, might be the author? After all, he might just be
thinking that turnabout is fair play????
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhonda...@earthling.net> wrote in message
>> news:iotctc$vd4$1...@news.datemas.de...
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Oh please, Emmett, explain to everyone how spoofing your MAC address
>>> is going to enable you to spoof your IP such that it is the same as
>>> HJ's.
>>
>>
>> Two little words, Rhonda. Open server!
>>
>> Oh, Quicksilver is an email client that can be teamed with Mixmaster
>
> http://wn.com/Tutorial__Spoof_MAC_Address_in_OS_X
What is that? A Macintosh OS? LOL!
> With all of Emmett's earlier going on about MAC addresses, who knew he was
> talking about this:
>
> http://quicksilvermail.net/
That's what I thought Emmett was talking about. I use it for anonymous
remailer postings but you can't do a thing with the spoofing of network
adapter MAC address with it.
http://www.lancelhoff.com/finding-the-mac-address-of-your-network-card/
>
> But that still doesn't get him to spoofing HJ's server in Google Groups.
>
Correct. But, there is no proof that the recent HJ apology post was actually
from Google Groups. I think it was not. I think it was forged to make it
appear to have been injected by Google Groups. Only Google Groups could tell
you for sure using the message ID. Oh, another, thing. I think you can read
tone but you are one of the few who can. I'm pretty good at reading tone and
the tone of the HJ apology post was off a little bit.
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<snip>
>
> I haven't seen the post (someone have a link or message ID?) but even if
> some asshole has done it again, it has nothing to do with the current
> case.
>
> If Novins has been libeled again, he's going to have to go through the
> exercise, starting from scratch, again.
Message-ID: <4QF3H9V14065...@reece.net.au>
I wonder why you didn't see it? Could it be your server, datamas? Does the
legalize sound legit to your ear? Or, is it a little pretentious and feigned
to make it sound like a lawyer authored it?
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
You must think I just fell off the turnip truck. LOL!
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
::
Isn't the real Emmett number 79 and not number 78?
Enquiring minds wish to know. It's the tone that'll reveal you every time,
d00d!
--
Gregory Hall
Steve
news:4krmc9....@news.alt.net:
> The forger could use some forging lessons from an expert like yours
> truly.
You really are a sad cunt, Gweggie.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:4db33091$0$12939$892e...@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
I am NOT sad!
--
Gregory Hall
Meat Plow
>> Oh please, Emmett, explain to everyone how spoofing your MAC address is
>> going to enable you to spoof your IP such that it is the same as HJ's.
>
>
> BTW, Laptop wireless Mac addresses are NOT always HARD CODED because
> mine isn't. i have spoofed my MAC ADDY several times
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH so you say some wifi adapter MAC
addresses are software derived?
OMFG
JeffRelf.F-M.FM
For news:3036e252-90bd-4286...@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com the "Path:" line at "newsRead.Glorb.COM:80" was : glorb.com ! highwinds-media.com ! googlegroups.com at "News.US.Usenet-News.NET:8080" it was: usenet-news.net ! readnews.com ! googlegroups.com If the post was not from Google, where was it from ? Can you see where you went wrong, Greg ? It was a Google Groups post, I have no doubt at all.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:pan.2011.04...@lmao.lol...
Shut up Meatus. You're dumb as a box of rocks. I have software on this very
computer that software changes my network adapter's MAC address by
overwriting in the Windows registry the original hardware MAC address. So
the bogus Emmett number 78 is correct but we have yet to hear from the real
Emmett 80 on this topic.
If you, too would like to change the network adapter's MAC address in the
Windows registry please download at: http://www.technitium.com/ The router
you connect to will see and log the changed MAC address.
--
Gregory Hall
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:JeffRelf.F-M.FM@_Cn.2011_Apr.23_.1.25.pm...
Any Google Groups path I have ever pre-loaded and I've pre-loaded a lot of
them need at least two distinct Google servers and oftentimes three all told
to propagate. Here's a typical example:
Path:
news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!d26g2000prn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Compare that with the simplistic forgery. And, I don't think you can post
using Google Groups unless you log onto your Google Groups account. While
you might be able to log onto Google Groups using a Yahoo email and maybe
one or two more that Google reciprocates with, I have yet to see any
reciprocation with CenturyTel. I would be shocked if you could log onto
Google Groups using a CenturyTel email addy.
The post, IMO, came from an unknown open NNPT server and all the headers
were generated probably using NewsMaestro or it's predecessor, shit I can't
think of the name, once favored by script-kiddies the world over.
--
Gregory Hall
Meat Plow
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:59:59 -0700, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:
>
>> RHONDA, haven't you been in AUK long enough to know that posting hosts
>> can be altered?????????
>>
>> Meat-plow has done it many times, Cujo has done it too.
>
> Time for you to backup your bullshit. Post the headers of the "many
> times" I've altered my posting host. In reality, Altopia doesn't even
> add a posting host to be altered :)
>
> You lose. Again.
<crickets chirp, a lone coyote howls in the background>
JeffRelf.F-M.FM
You can sign up with Google Groups yourself, anytime, you don't need a gMail account. If the post was not from Google, where was it from ? You can ·Not· list even one possiblity, you are fully wrong. Useing two different servers, the "Path:" line is different for all but the originating server, Google Groups. [ a.k.a. "postnews.google.com!bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com" ] Honest John ( John Cook ) was served, Honest John apologized.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:JeffRelf.F-M.FM@_cm.2011_Apr.23_.2.00.pm...
<snip>
that Honest John ( John Cook ) was served, and that Honest John
apologized.
You (Jeff) are not consistent in your statements..
"Path at newsRead.Glorb.COM:80:
Is what you typed in, Message-ID: <JeffRelf.F-M.FM@_BK.2011_Apr.22_.6.44.pm>
Now, suddenly, you have expanded it to make it look correct with two google
servers. Which is it, Jeff?
--
Gregory Hall
JeffRelf.F-M.FM
When talking about the "Path:" like, I said "Google Groups" or "googlegroups.com" instead of: "postnews.google.com!bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com". It's just easier ( and clearer ) to say: Useing two different servers, the "Path:" line is different for all but the originating server, Google Groups. Why nitpick ? the fact remains: You can't name a viable alternate. ( if not Google, who ? ) Honest John ( John Cook ) was served, Honest John apologized.
JeffRelf.F-M.FM
When talking about the "Path:" ·line·, I said "Google Groups" or "googlegroups.com" instead of: "postnews.google.com!bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com". It's just easier ( and clearer ) to say: Useing two different servers, the "Path:" line is different for all but the originating server, Google Groups. Why nitpick ? the fact remains: You can't name a viable alternate. ( if not Google, who ? ) Honest John ( John Cook ) was served, Honest John apologized.
Jack Shit
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:54:50 -0700, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:
>
>>> AFAIK, you cannot spoof the IP when posting to Google Groups (although
>>> you can certainly hide your own IP using a proxy server). As to Greg's
>>> contention, I challenge him post through Google using HJ's IP address
>>> (not to mention HJ's Google account).
>>
>> LOL! then you don't know about quicksilver then. and that's all i will
>> say on the subject.
>
> That's because you don't know jack shit
Fortunately for me.
--
Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.atheism.
Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk.
Meat Plow
> "Meat Plow" <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2011.04...@lmao.lol...
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:12:27 -0700, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh please, Emmett, explain to everyone how spoofing your MAC address
>>>> is going to enable you to spoof your IP such that it is the same as
>>>> HJ's.
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW, Laptop wireless Mac addresses are NOT always HARD CODED because
>>> mine isn't. i have spoofed my MAC ADDY several times
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH so you say some wifi adapter MAC
>> addresses are software derived?
>>
>> OMFG
>
>
> Shut up Meatus. You're dumb as a box of rocks. I have software on this
> very computer that software changes my network adapter's MAC address
Greg Greg Greg Greg, the Emutt said that some network adapter's MAC
addresses are not always hardware encoded. That in Emutt-Speak means
coming from the manufacturer that way. So if you can name one that does I
will redact and apologize to the Emutt.
And you're pretty a funny boi to think I haven't heard of software to do
that.
I was messing around with MAC and other packet spoofing/snooping ware
back in the late 1990's not to mention 16 bit Private Idaho and lots of
other hack shit you nincompoop.
%
Meat Plow wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:26:00 -0700, % wrote:
>
>> change the words in my post because he's a gomer
>
> Shall I post dozens of posts where you have changed the
> wording yourself, Gomer? !
well where is it ,
oh you don't have any you just lied about it ,
you're just as full of it as emmett is you and emmett are equals
Turnip Truck Driver
begrudged:
AH! There you are!
Meat Plow
> Meat Plow, Ye beef-witted churl, damn thee, shallow jester. Ye emitted:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:54:50 -0700, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:
>>
>>>> AFAIK, you cannot spoof the IP when posting to Google Groups
>>>> (although you can certainly hide your own IP using a proxy server).
>>>> As to Greg's contention, I challenge him post through Google using
>>>> HJ's IP address (not to mention HJ's Google account).
>>>
>>> LOL! then you don't know about quicksilver then. and that's all i will
>>> say on the subject.
>>
>> That's because you don't know jack shit
>
> Fortunately for me.
I agree 100%
Emmett BADASS Gulley
Meat-Plow, you have got to be one of the most dumbest usenet posters
to NOT know this fact. I am using a DELL laptop and the wireless
utility it uses changes the mac address from the adapter one.
you seem to be forgetting that not all laptop wireless adapters are
INTEL based.
another FACT that i just smacked your ass down with
%
hi emmett
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
> news:iov6qn$d0p$3...@news.datemas.de...
> <snip>
>>
>> I haven't seen the post (someone have a link or message ID?) but
>> even if some asshole has done it again, it has nothing to do with
>> the current case.
>>
>> If Novins has been libeled again, he's going to have to go through
>> the exercise, starting from scratch, again.
>
>
> Message-ID: <4QF3H9V14065...@reece.net.au>
>
>
> I wonder why you didn't see it? Could it be your server, datamas?
It's Datemas. I found it on Google and on NIN.
> Does the legalize sound legit to your ear? Or, is it a little
> pretentious and feigned to make it sound like a lawyer authored it?
Sounds to me like the same fucktard who authored the original libel.
Now and again, though, I think the shitheel is a committed.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
Har, har. Best typo I've ever made. Supposed to be "committee" but far, far
more appropriate as "committed."
Stupid fucktard.
pandora
Indeed he is that. And probably should be committed.
Emmett BADASS Gulley
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Emmett BADASS Gulley
> adapter. If you don't then it's just another emma lie.
Dell inspiron 1525 and broadcom :)
any other lunacy you want to throw at me???????
BTW, I posted a pic a while back of my dell 1525
>
> --
> Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you choose to respond to it....
>
> --
>
> emma admits that everyone hated him:
>
> Message-ID: <1ar3psk0lbre92ffq...@4ax.com>
> "albatross, you seem to hate me like all the others did back then."
>
> emma threatens to kill me:
>
> Message-ID: <e6bea84e.02100...@posting.google.com>
> "You need to shut the fuck up or i will kill you when i track you down
> to put you in jail."
>
> Classic emma at his best:
>
> Message-ID: <80972bde-c741-46ca...@p3g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>
> "Don't post LIES unless you can prove them to be true."
%
i defeated the emmett
Emmett BADASS Gulley
> >news:iov6qn$d0p$3...@news.datemas.de...
> > <snip>
>
> >> I haven't seen the post (someone have a link or message ID?) but
> >> even if some asshole has done it again, it has nothing to do with
> >> the current case.
>
> >> If Novins has been libeled again, he's going to have to go through
> >> the exercise, starting from scratch, again.
>
>
> > I wonder why you didn't see it? Could it be your server, datamas?
>
> It's Datemas. I found it on Google and on NIN.
How can you really tell it's datemas??? looks like you have struck out
again because it's NOT Datemas.
Let me give you a clue there RHONDUMB, Get quicksilver Lite, because
you can actually see what remailers are actually used and NONE of them
go through datemas.
Emmett BADASS Gulley
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:09:57 -0400, Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>
>
>
> > Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> >> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
> >>>news:iov6qn$d0p$3...@news.datemas.de... <snip>
>
> >>>> I haven't seen the post (someone have a link or message ID?) but even
> >>>> if some asshole has done it again, it has nothing to do with the
> >>>> current case.
>
> >>>> If Novins has been libeled again, he's going to have to go through
> >>>> the exercise, starting from scratch, again.
>
>
> >>> I wonder why you didn't see it? Could it be your server, datamas?
>
> >> It's Datemas. I found it on Google and on NIN.
>
> >>> Does the legalize sound legit to your ear? Or, is it a little
> >>> pretentious and feigned to make it sound like a lawyer authored it?
>
> >> Sounds to me like the same fucktard who authored the original libel.
>
> >> Now and again, though, I think the shitheel is a committed.
>
> > Har, har. Best typo I've ever made. Supposed to be "committee" but far,
> > far more appropriate as "committed."
>
> > Stupid fucktard.
>
> Indeed he is that. And probably should be committed.
There is nothing wrong with my Sanity because i know exactly what i am
doing, posting and talking about. Unlike you bitches who continue to
post libel, slander and defamation.
BTW, do you realize that novins can file new lawsuits against you on
the grounds of libel and slander??? I say this because i came across 2
enquirer cases where the federal court declared that N.E. committed
slander and libel on their web site.
ANY communication posted on the web is considered spoken word.
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
If what's been posted is "libel, slander and defamation" then you're going
down the toilet with those you are accusing.
What do you post but pale imitations of the snark directed at you?
> BTW, do you realize that novins can file new lawsuits against you on
> the grounds of libel and slander???
I expect he has figured out by now that he cannot willy-nilly file a lawsuit
against a bunch of people who have no connection to the libel.
> I say this because i came across 2
> enquirer cases where the federal court declared that N.E. committed
> slander and libel on their web site.
What does that have to do with anything?
There's a lot of case law out there, but not all of it is applicable.
> ANY communication posted on the web is considered spoken word.
Depends on the court. All but one have characterized it as written word
(libel) not spoken word (slander).
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
> On Apr 23, 7:59 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"
> <rhondaleak...@earthling.net> wrote:
>> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleak...@earthling.net> wrote in
>>> message news:iov6qn$d0p$3...@news.datemas.de...
>>> <snip>
>>
>>>> I haven't seen the post (someone have a link or message ID?) but
>>>> even if some asshole has done it again, it has nothing to do with
>>>> the current case.
>>
>>>> If Novins has been libeled again, he's going to have to go through
>>>> the exercise, starting from scratch, again.
>>
>>> Message-ID: <4QF3H9V140656.6937152...@reece.net.au>
>>
>>> I wonder why you didn't see it? Could it be your server, datamas?
>>
>> It's Datemas. I found it on Google and on NIN.
>
> How can you really tell it's datemas??? looks like you have struck out
> again because it's NOT Datemas.
The post has not shown up on the Datemas server yet, you fucking maroon.
I used the message ID to find it in Google Groups and in NIN.
This is not about where the post came from, but about where the post has not
arrived.
> Let me give you a clue there RHONDUMB, Get quicksilver Lite, because
> you can actually see what remailers are actually used and NONE of them
> go through datemas.
Dipshit.
pandora
Nice slander there.
> BTW, do you realize that novins can file new lawsuits against you on the
> grounds of libel and slander???
I've never libel nor slandered he-who-is-to-be-never-named.
Get over yourself.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
news:6O6dnZtkRJT77inQ...@scnresearch.com...
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:03:57 -0700, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:
>> There is nothing wrong with my Sanity because i know exactly what i am
>> doing, posting and talking about. Unlike you bitches
>
> Nice slander there.
I have always heard that the truth is the ultimate defense against slander,
bitch.
--
Gregory Hall
Meat Plow
> On Apr 23, 4:20 pm, Meat Plow <mhywa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:12:27 -0700, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:
>> >> Oh please, Emmett, explain to everyone how spoofing your MAC address
>> >> is going to enable you to spoof your IP such that it is the same as
>> >> HJ's.
>>
>> > BTW, Laptop wireless Mac addresses are NOT always HARD CODED because
>> > mine isn't. i have spoofed my MAC ADDY several times
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH so you say some wifi adapter MAC
>> addresses are software derived?
>>
>> OMFG
>
> Meat-Plow, you have got to be one of the most dumbest usenet posters to
> NOT know this fact. I am using a DELL laptop and the wireless utility it
> uses changes the mac address from the adapter one.
>
> you seem to be forgetting that not all laptop wireless adapters are
> INTEL based.
That utility comes from Dell? What's the utility name? Model of the Dell?
pandora
> You know emma sure does seem to be libelous towards that nowins guy.
> Wouldn't it be funny if nowins sued emma just to shut him up.
Indeed it would. Hilarious actually.
>>Get over yourself.
>
> He can't, he is the only one that listens to and believes himself.
He's a company of one that's for sure.
Meat Plow
> On Apr 23, 8:27 pm, Albätross <mäil.tö.älbätross@gmäil.cöm> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Emmett BADASS Gulley
>>
>>
>>
>> <emmettgulle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Apr 23, 4:20 pm, Meat Plow <mhywa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:12:27 -0700, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:
>> >> >> Oh please, Emmett, explain to everyone how spoofing your MAC
>> >> >> address is going to enable you to spoof your IP such that it is
>> >> >> the same as HJ's.
>>
>> >> > BTW, Laptop wireless Mac addresses are NOT always HARD CODED
>> >> > because mine isn't. i have spoofed my MAC ADDY several times
>>
>> >> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH so you say some wifi adapter MAC
>> >> addresses are software derived?
>>
>> >> OMFG
>>
>> >Meat-Plow, you have got to be one of the most dumbest usenet posters
>> >to NOT know this fact. I am using a DELL laptop and the wireless
>> >utility it uses changes the mac address from the adapter one.
>>
>> >you seem to be forgetting that not all laptop wireless adapters are
>> >INTEL based.
>>
>> >another FACT that i just smacked your ass down with
>>
>> Then post the laptop model and the make of model of the wireless
>> adapter. If you don't then it's just another emma lie.
>
> Dell inspiron 1525 and broadcom
>
> any other lunacy you want to throw at me???????
>
> BTW, I posted a pic a while back of my dell 1525
What is the name of the MAC spoofing software that came with the
Broadcomm adapter?
--
L
%
he will answer you on his own time not on yours
Meat Plow
And that he will.
The dumber Emmett II aka % posts a Usenet revelation BWAHAHFUCKINGHAH!
But you being the dumber Emmett II posts on my time and
at my command way before Emmett even got a chance to reply. You can help
it Emmett % II. You're PWN3D!
LMAO!
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
%
you`re just like emmett
i like the way you ignore me , LOL ,
three %'s in three lines , oh i feel so ignored
Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar
> I use it for anonymous remailer postings
Archived
--
The man with the action-packed expense account.
Meat Plow
See what I mean! LOL
<cowardly group snip of alt.suicide.holiday re-added>
%
right on , Emmett
Emmett BADASS Gulley
<rhondaleak...@earthling.net> wrote:
> Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:
> > On Apr 23, 8:42 pm, pandora <pand...@peak.org> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:09:57 -0400, Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>
> >>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> >>>> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
> >>>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleak...@earthling.net> wrote in
LOL! then you have not been keeping up with the courts then lately.
ALL courts consider it spoken word over the internet now
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
Cite?
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
TORONTO, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - Mina Mar Group Inc.
www.minamargroup.com/ (MMG) and Mina Mar Marketing Group
www.minamargroup.net/ (MMMG) inform the public that the courts ruled in the
favour of Mina Mar Group in slander lawsuit against Investors Hub.
Mr. Justice Belobaba, Ontario Superior Court Of Justice awarded judgment in
favor of Mina Mar Group, and awarded $75,000 in general damages, $10,000 in
punitive damages and $20,000 for the trial costs to the company.
This was never about the money but rather principle. These stock bashers
should not be allowed to destroy other peoples reputations and businesses
with slanderous and malicious posts on the Internet
The court ruling can be seen on this link
http://www.minamargroup.com/stock_bashers.php
Mina Mar Group wishes to quote some key declarations of the court:
"4... THIS COURT ORDERS that all negative, defamatory and libellous
postings, made by Posters and members of Investors Hub.Com Inc web site are
untrue and are and were made without any foundation nor basis for any of
their
content
**************************
Emmett Gulley - right again! Give it up, Rhonda, your blabbermouth always
makes you look silly.
--
Gregory Hall
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
A press release is not a ruling by a judge.
Within the judgment linked above, the word "slander" does not appear even
once. The words "libel" and "libelous" appear several times.
Try again.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
True but it's not simply a matter of what a court or judge decides. The
press release clearly uses the word 'slander' and furthermore it's slander
by post. The winner of the suit calls it slander because they consider it
Internet speech. Like Emmett says, the words libel and slander are pretty
much interchangeable on the Internet where words on the screen are more like
speaking than like reading a magazine or newspaper.
--
Gregory Hall
Meat Plow
Emmett spewed:
> LOL! then you have not been keeping up with the courts then lately.
> ALL courts consider it spoken word over the internet now
Please cite for Emmett at least one court's ruling and not some hogwash
press release :) Hurry up I'm waiting.