Re: "Anybody out there?"
petrolhead
> On Jun 21, 8:48 am, petrolhead <countyexecut...@btconnect.com> wrote:
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> > Guys, new to this forum thing as a whole and completely new to yours.
> > It asks me for a 'profile'...
>
> Your google profile looks fine. One thing: you can list more than one
> web page, so you can add sullivanthepoet.com as well if you wish.
>
> > there is a short bio on my site if
> > anyone is that interested -www.sullivanthepoet.com-If you want to
> > take a wander about the overgrown winter garden that constitutes what
> > I consider to be my better work you are more than welcome... Feel
> > free
> > to comment - like most megolomaniac manic depressive poets I take
> > criticism badly but am masochistic enough to invite it anyway... am I
> > in good company or am I the only one riding this particular bus
> > clutching my Buzz Lightyear lunch box?
>
> I found your site interesting. I enjoyed "A River Run" and "Comes the
> Reaper", but found "We" rather ordinary.
>
> One problem I had reading is that the lines run off my screen, and I
> have to keep scrolling from side to side, which is very distracting.
> I tried a copy and paste to a word file, but that didn't work,
> either.
Thanks George - I hope to God i'm a better poet than I am web site
builder - will look into the scrolling thing soonest - 'We' was
personal - it was about intent rather than content, but I take your
view on board. Would value your opinion on Rogues Charter
George Dance
> On 22 Jun, 01:32, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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> > On Jun 21, 8:48 am, petrolhead <countyexecut...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
> > > Guys, new to this forum thing as a whole and completely new to yours.
> > > It asks me for a 'profile'...
>
> > Your google profile looks fine. One thing: you can list more than one
> > web page, so you can add sullivanthepoet.com as well if you wish.
>
> > > there is a short bio on my site if
> > > take a wander about the overgrown winter garden that constitutes what
> > > I consider to be my better work you are more than welcome... Feel
> > > free
> > > to comment - like most megolomaniac manic depressive poets I take
> > > criticism badly but am masochistic enough to invite it anyway... am I
> > > in good company or am I the only one riding this particular bus
> > > clutching my Buzz Lightyear lunch box?
>
> > I found your site interesting. I enjoyed "A River Run" and "Comes the
> > Reaper", but found "We" rather ordinary.
>
> > One problem I had reading is that the lines run off my screen, and I
> > have to keep scrolling from side to side, which is very distracting.
> > I tried a copy and paste to a word file, but that didn't work,
> > either.
>
> Thanks George - I hope to God i'm a better poet than I am web site
> builder - will look into the scrolling thing soonest - 'We' was
> personal - it was about intent rather than content, but I take your
> view on board.
I think you're very good at both; you're certainly able to try, and
succeed in the main at, things I wouldn't even attempt. The site
looks fantastic, my only realcomplaint being that the pages are wider
than my screen (hence the scrolling problem), which I have no idea
what you could do to solve. The inability to copy and paste is a
minor irritant, as I can't quote anything without retyping it, but I
can see reasons for that.
Your point on "We" is well taken; the couple of poems I've written for
my wife have been the ones that others here have found the most banal,
so maybe that comes with the territory.
> Would value your opinion on Rogues Charter.
Three things tell me up front that it's a good,if not great, poem:
(1) When I didn't understand what it was saying, on first reading, I
wanted to reread it until I did understand; rather than simply dismiss
it. (2) When I did understand it, I wanted to discuss with the
persona; I'd been effectively sucked into his world, seeing things
through his eyes. (3) While it's a formal poem, with rhythm and
rhyme, for the most part those stayed in the background where they
belong; the form serving its proper purpose, as a vehicle to carry the
content.
The thesis or argument is well developed - each stanza leads into the
next, as an answer to the 'why' questions that occur in it. Plus your
central image, of innocent people imprisoned in their homes, is
arresting enough for a reader to want to discover the why. So while
the ending is inevitably preachy, it's well-disguised preachiness.
Those are RC's strengths, as I see them. What are the weaknesses?
There's only two, really, but the first intrudes in several places.
That's where the formal elements, the rhythm and the rhyme, try to
take over, and you end up distorting your language with inversions
and contractions to accommodat them. That gives your poem an archaic
sound that's truly incompatible with the subject, which is all too
modern.
The second weakness is more subtle: while you talk about the two
groups of people, the innocents and the spawn of Hell, you merely tell
us your conclusions, without giving the details that would let the
reader to form conclusions of his own.
So RC is too good to scrap, but not good enough to be considered
finished. What, then, do you do? I'd suggest reading it over on a
regular basis, looking each time for one line or pair that you can do
better, and spending a few minutes trying to do soby brainstorming
alternatives. If nothing's as good as what you have, leave it as is
that day; however, if you do find a line that works better, substitute
that. After a certain amount of that, then you revise the page. All
of this at your own initiative and according to your own time frame.
petrolhead
> On Jun 22, 2:56 am, petrolhead <countyexecut...@btconnect.com> wrote:
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> > On 22 Jun, 01:32, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 21, 8:48 am, petrolhead <countyexecut...@btconnect.com> wrote:
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> > > > Guys, new to this forum thing as a whole and completely new to yours.
> > > > It asks me for a 'profile'...
>
> > > Your google profile looks fine. One thing: you can list more than one
> > > web page, so you can add sullivanthepoet.com as well if you wish.
>
> > > > there is a short bio on my site if
>
> - Show quoted text -
George... A pleasure to communicate with someone who is interested
in poetry rather than their own perceived 'cleverness' or the
gratuitous abuse of others for its own sake - accept my apologies for
the tardiness of my reply but like you I have other commitments.
I confess one of my multitude of character flaws is that I take
criticism of my work badly; but I am bright enough to understand that
only thus may I improve my work - as such I have taken your
observations to heart and I applaud you for the gentle and sympathetic
way the leeches of criticism were applied. Thank you for both your
time and your views. I would welcome the opportunity to see some of
your own work - do you have a site?
petrolhead
P.S. Addressed the scrolling issue - hope you find it easier
Amadeus Jinn
"petrolhead" <countye...@btconnect.com> wrote in message news:1183025409....@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
So am I, perhaps less so, but "less so" for me...
> rather than their own perceived 'cleverness' or the
> gratuitous abuse of others for its own sake - accept my apologies for
> the tardiness of my reply but like you I have other commitments.
I need to complete some, yes.
>
> I confess one of my multitude of character flaws is that I take
> criticism of my work badly; but I am bright enough to understand that
> only thus may I improve my work - as such I have taken your
> observations to heart and I applaud you for the gentle and sympathetic
> way the leeches of criticism were applied. Thank you for both your
> time and your views. I would welcome the opportunity to see some of
> your own work - do you have a site?
George is /kick/. Isn't he?
--
AJ - http://Here.Nu
http://Midis.Here.Nu
http://Art.Here.Nu
>
Renay
> P.S. Addressed the scrolling issue - hope you find it easier
on your site? I went there when you
posted the link but it was too tedious
to navigate. repost it so I can look again?
Renay
petrolhead
> "petrolhead" <countyexecut...@btconnect.com> wrote in message
Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
poetry will improve...
Will Dockery
>
> www.sullivanthepoet.com
>
> Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
> poetry will improve...
Hey, you made it back, and so far have survived the fact that you
dared to say a good word about me!
One good way to keep the link available to your poetry website is to
add a sig at the end of your messages. That way when you post, if
someone wants to know about you, the details are available.
Probably not as /long winded/ as the one I'm using today, but this is
a great way to make Usenet work to your advantage, which is getting
your work to the people who want it... or not, or claim to not.
--
"Greybeard Cavalier" (video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6BGlXmtzE8
Recorded at The Vault
Columbus, GA 31901
June 13, 2006
Vocals: Will Dockery. Music: The Shadowville Allstars.
Based on "Greybeard Cavalier" by Will Dockery, 0x0000 and Brian
Fowler.
Video by Doug Cole
"God's Toybox" (video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h54SYLZIqnY
Recorded at The Loft
Columbus, GA 31901
July 5, 2006
Vocals: Will Dockery. Music: The Shadowville Allstars.
Video by Don Williams
petrolhead
Will! Hi Guy! Not only back but stuck my head above the parapet and
posted some of my work! As for saying a good word about you - Well,
whilst I can now see where they got the expression "Fire at will!"
from... 'I bin around kid' and I've got a hide like salt water croc to
prove it... Thanks for the links advice though - working on it as we
speak. (And still picking my own friends...)
Renay
"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183053439.1...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 28, 1:47 pm, petrolhead wrote:
>>
>> www.sullivanthepoet.com
>>
>> Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
>> poetry will improve...
>
> Hey, you made it back, and so far have survived the fact that you
> dared to say a good word about me!
>
> One good way to keep the link available to your poetry website is to
> add a sig at the end of your messages. That way when you post, if
> someone wants to know about you, the details are available.
>
> Probably not as /long winded/ as the one I'm using today, but this is
> a great way to make Usenet work to your advantage, which is getting
> your work to the people who want it... or not, or claim to not.
absolutely! and if you'll cut and past the
same repetitive text about 200x that won't
annoy the shit out of people, either.
Renay
Renay
"friends are overrated."
Will Drunkery
Will Dockery
"petrolhead" wrote
> On Jun 28, 6:57 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 1:47 pm, petrolhead wrote:
>
> > >www.sullivanthepoet.com
> >
> > > Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
> > > poetry will improve...
> >
> > Hey, you made it back, and so far have survived the fact that you
> > dared to say a good word about me!
> >
> > One good way to keep the link available to your poetry website is to
> > add a sig at the end of your messages. That way when you post, if
> > someone wants to know about you, the details are available.
> >
> > Probably not as /long winded/ as the one I'm using today, but this is
> > a great way to make Usenet work to your advantage, which is getting
> > your work to the people who want it... or not, or claim to not.
> >
> posted some of my work!
I'll have a look for it... which reminds me of another way to make Usenet
work /for/ you rather than sinking out of sight is to make the subject line
informative, and more easily searchable in the Google archive.
When you post a poem include the title and author, something like this:
"Mexico City Blues" by Jack Kerouac
There are other variations you'll see here, but that's the best, imo.
> As for saying a good word about you - Well,
> whilst I can now see where they got the expression "Fire at will!"
> from... 'I bin around kid' and I've got a hide like salt water croc to
> prove it... Thanks for the links advice though - working on it as we
> speak. (And still picking my own friends...)
Some good folks here, fair and tough, and have something worthwhile to
offer... you'll probably be able to figure out this cast of characters, good
and bad, fairly quickly.
Amadeus Jinn
"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1183053439.1...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> www.sullivanthepoet.com
>>
>> Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
>> poetry will improve...
>
> Hey, you made it back, and so far have survived the fact that you
> dared to say a good word about me!
>
> One good way to keep the link available to your poetry website is to
> add a sig at the end of your messages. That way when you post, if
> someone wants to know about you, the details are available.
>
> Probably not as /long winded/ as the one I'm using today, but this is
> a great way to make Usenet work to your advantage, which is getting
> your work to the people who want it... or not, or claim to not.
When the sigs are on the postings
at the bottom where they lay
as an enigma wrapped in phosphors
plays flames -- were tamped to grey.
>
Amadeus Jinn
"petrolhead" <countye...@btconnect.com> wrote in message news:1183054873.0...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 28, 6:57 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 1:47 pm, petrolhead wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >www.sullivanthepoet.com
>>
>> > Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
>> > poetry will improve...
>>
>> Hey, you made it back, and so far have survived the fact that you
>> dared to say a good word about me!
>>
>> One good way to keep the link available to your poetry website is to
>> add a sig at the end of your messages. That way when you post, if
>> someone wants to know about you, the details are available.
>>
>> Probably not as /long winded/ as the one I'm using today, but this is
>> a great way to make Usenet work to your advantage, which is getting
>> your work to the people who want it... or not, or claim to not.
The roads of the Alligator Alley stretch
for miles though swamp and forests.
You can easily rent a fan-boat
and go hunting steggasaurus.
>>
Amadeus Jinn
"Renay" <rena...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> "friends are overrated."
> Will Drunkery
How is your baby, crying
now and then?
Yes, friends are overrated
as the crying starts again.
:) <kiss>
Dennis M. Hammes
> "Renay" <rena...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
>>"friends are overrated."
>> Will Drunkery
>
>
> How is your Tommy, crying
> now and then?
> Yes, friends are overrated
> as the crying starts again.
>
> :) <piss>
>
FiXord.
--
-------(m+
~/:o)_|
I do not "negotiate" for half my baby back, Solomon.
http://scrawlmark.org
Dennis M. Hammes
??? It annoys the shit out of Dockery.
(Well, his annoying himself with it ud explain why there's so /much/...)
George Dance
Tell me about it - I'm on a 12-hour work week, which means some days
I'm virtually incommunicado; then there's other days when I have all
the time I need to be on line.
> I confess one of my multitude of character flaws is that I take
> criticism of my work badly; but I am bright enough to understand that
> only thus may I improve my work - as such I have taken your
> observations to heart and I applaud you for the gentle and sympathetic
> way the leeches of criticism were applied. Thank you for both your
> time and your views. I would welcome the opportunity to see some of
> your own work - do you have a site?
No site - all my stuff's on Usenet - but after reading this I decided
I needed something to introduce myself; so I put together a Top 11.
These are my personal favourites of my own poems; others' mileage
varies considerably.
Afterglow
http://tinyurl.com/39p7r3
A Busride on a Summer Night
http://tinyurl.com/3636cc
Doggerel
http://tinyurl.com/2seu6q
Flowers for Vera
http://tinyurl.com/2euncp
Ideas of March
http://tinyurl.com/2kz4ff
Mars & Avril
http://tinyurl.com/35ewpr
A Midwinter Night's Eve
http://tinyurl.com/2x24w2
Syd's Sunrise
http://tinyurl.com/ywqv5b
Threnody
http://tinyurl.com/yq7xlj
Upanishad
http://tinyurl.com/yvmzfj
Dennis M. Hammes
>
> No site - all my stuff's on Usenet - but after reading this I decided
> I needed something to introduce myself; so I put together a Top 11.
> These are my personal favourites of my own poems; others' mileage
> varies considerably.
>
These links will disappear /from routine access/ in a day ("Mark Read").
Google or Yellow Pages a free web-host, or grab a chunk of MySpace.
The effort's minimal, and you can stick together an Index and add
six short lines of HTML to the pieces prolly right on the site
manager. The simpler -- and thus faster -- the better.
Put the URL in your sig.
>
> Afterglow
> http://tinyurl.com/39p7r3
>
<etc.>
Renay
"Amadeus Jinn" <a-j...@here.nu> wrote in message
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> "Renay" <rena...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> "friends are overrated."
>> Will Drunkery
>
> How is your baby, crying
> now and then?
> Yes, friends are overrated
> as the crying starts again.
>
> :) <kiss>
YOU CANNOT DISTRACT ME BY
ASKING ABOUT THE BABY! DON'T
EVEN TRY IT!
so yesterday she managed to pick up a
rattle and transfer it from hand to hand.
also, she's learning to mimic sounds and...
SHUT UP! YOU CAN'T FOOL ME.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO!
Renay
Renay
MAKE EVERYTHING SMALLER!
this applies to both poetry and site design.
you're gonna have to trust me on this. I do
it for a living. no, I won't post links to my
work. see, yer pal Drunkerty likes to follow
me around the 'net and copy/paste things
here. if I wanted it here, I'd put it here myself.
yeah, I realize you didn't ask for advice. it's
free. usually I get $85/hour for it. truth is, I
like the graphic you used and want to see it
fit on my screen.
now I'm going to go read about you before
I start on the typography. heh.
Renay
George Dance
Yes, I do. Now I can read without any side-to-die scrolling. And
even better, I can quote you (by retyping). I'd like to do that
here, as (1) I think a lot of the readers still have no idea of your
poetic talent, and (2) to provide a concrete illustration of my
previous comments.
This is the opening stanza of the first poem I read on your site, "A
River Run":
Babbling, taunting, time's dark tide.
Each eddy swirled
In sagging flesh:
In days, in hours, speeds our slide.
Our being hurled,
From tomb to cre`che:
No sooner fecund than denied.
Disdain time's breakneck, lethal ride.
On first read, I thought "wow"; and then came back for others. It's
a well-chosen metaphor - time as a river, with us adrift in its flow -
and the excellent rhythm captures the feel of that perfectly - the
stanza flows along, like a swift movng river, from from rhyme to
rhyme..
On later readings, I saw things that I would have said differently.
For instance, I misread 'babbling' as 'bubbling', and I would have
preferred 'bubbling'. I think it should be "To tomb from cre`che", as
that's the direction the river runs. And I'd futz with all the
punctuiation.
But that would not be to call the stanza bad or defective - it works
very well as is - but to try to make it better, the masterpiece it
could be.
Will Dockery
"Renay" wrote:
> "petrolhead" wrote:
>
> > www.sullivanthepoet.com
> >
> > Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
> > poetry will improve...
>
> MAKE EVERYTHING SMALLER!
>
> this applies to both poetry and site design.
>
> you're gonna have to trust me on this. I do
> it for a living.
Right. Look for her in your local bookstore... heh.
> no, I won't post links to my
> work. see, yer pal Dru <rantsnip>
I gave Renay a bad review a couple of years ago and she still can't get over
it.
--
"Dream Tears" by Dockery-Mallard:
http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
"Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Renay
"Will Dockery" <will.d...@knology.net> wrote in message
news:99cd6$46869bd5$18d62320$16...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> "Renay" wrote:
>> "petrolhead" wrote:
>>
>> > www.sullivanthepoet.com
>> >
>> > Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
>> > poetry will improve...
>>
>> MAKE EVERYTHING SMALLER!
>>
>> this applies to both poetry and site design.
>>
>> you're gonna have to trust me on this. I do
>> it for a living.
>
> Right. Look for her in your local bookstore... heh.
>
>> no, I won't post links to my
>> work. see, yer pal Dru <rantsnip>
>
> I gave Renay a bad review a couple of years ago and she still can't get
> over
> it.
yeah, because I value your opinion so much.
bwaaahahahahahah!
gosh, Drunkerty, let's just put what I wrote
back in and maybe expand a bit, shall we?
>see, yer pal Drunkerty likes to follow
>me around the 'net and copy/paste things
>here. if I wanted it here, I'd put it here myself.
hmmmmm, ya think that has anything to do
with a review? looks to me like it's actually
about you following me around copying stuff
from other places and pasting it here.
obsess much?
Renay
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>>"Renay" wrote:
> >> "petrolhead" wrote:
>
> >> > www.sullivanthepoet.com
> >> >
> >> > Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
> >> > poetry will improve...
> >>
> >> MAKE EVERYTHING SMALLER!
> >>
> >> this applies to both poetry and site design.
> >>
> >> you're gonna have to trust me on this. I do
> >> it for a living.
> >
> > Right. Look for her in your local bookstore... heh.
> >
> >> no, I won't post links to my
> >> work. see, yer pal Dru <rantsnip>
> >
> > I gave Renay a bad review a couple of years ago and she still can't get
> > over
> > it.
>
> yeah, because I value your opinion so much.
Which is why you seem to have me on your mind so much?
"We know."
Renay
<...>
> Which is why you seem to have me on your mind so much?
nearly every time my
daughter shits her pants.
Renay
Will Dockery
"Renay" wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
>
> > Which is why you seem to have me on your mind so much?
>
> nearly every time
...You make a post here.
"We know."
So I gave your poem "Specter/Spectre" a bad review... get over it.
Barbara's Cat
> bad review a couple of years ago
> still can't get over it.
--
Cm~
"You're like a broken record.
I assure you your crying and
whining have been duly noted."
-- Bob enlightens Will, 6/28/2005
Dennis M. Hammes
Heh!
Dennis M. Hammes
> "petrolhead" <countye...@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:1183052832....@k29g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
>>On Jun 28, 5:14 pm, "Renay" <renays...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"petrolhead" <countyexecut...@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>news:1183031058.2...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>P.S. Addressed the scrolling issue - hope you find it easier
>>>
>>>on your site? I went there when you
>>>posted the link but it was too tedious
>>>to navigate. repost it so I can look again?
>>>
>>>Renay
>>
>>www.sullivanthepoet.com
>>
>>Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
>>poetry will improve...
>
>
> MAKE EVERYTHING SMALLER!
>
> this applies to both poetry and site design.
What she said.
>
> you're gonna have to trust me on this. I do
> it for a living. no, I won't post links to my
> work. see, yer pal Drunkerty likes to follow
> me around the 'net and copy/paste things
> here. if I wanted it here, I'd put it here myself.
>
> yeah, I realize you didn't ask for advice. it's
> free. usually I get $85/hour for it. truth is, I
> like the graphic you used and want to see it
> fit on my screen.
>
> now I'm going to go read about you before
> I start on the typography. heh.
>
> Renay
>
>
>
>
Dennis M. Hammes
> "Will Dockery" <will.d...@knology.net> wrote in message
> news:99cd6$46869bd5$18d62320$16...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
>>"Renay" wrote:
>>
>>>"petrolhead" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>www.sullivanthepoet.com
>>>>
>>>>Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
>>>>poetry will improve...
>>>
>>>MAKE EVERYTHING SMALLER!
>>>
>>>this applies to both poetry and site design.
>>>
>>>you're gonna have to trust me on this. I do
>>>it for a living.
>>
>>Right. Look for her in your local bookstore... heh.
>>
You don't hafta look for Dockery.
You'll find him under your local windshield wiper.
/If/ you're in a small-enough part of a small enough part of Georgia.
>>
>>>no, I won't post links to my
>>>work. see, yer pal Dru <rantsnip>
>>
>>I gave Renay a bad review a couple of years ago and she still can't get
>>over
>>it.
>
You gave a /review/? Where.
>
> yeah, because I value your opinion so much.
>
> bwaaahahahahahah!
>
> gosh, Drunkerty, let's just put what I wrote
> back in and maybe expand a bit, shall we?
>
>
>>see, yer pal Drunkerty likes to follow
>>me around the 'net and copy/paste things
>>here. if I wanted it here, I'd put it here myself.
>
>
> hmmmmm, ya think that has anything to do
> with a review? looks to me like it's actually
> about you following me around copying stuff
> from other places and pasting it here.
>
> obsess much?
>
> Renay
>
Maybe it's just The Scent of a Woman.
/So/ different from his own...
Dennis M. Hammes
And of course every time he appears (Magick!) on your screen.
Which is why he appears on your screen so much.
It's enough to make /grown/ people shit their pants.
Hey, Duck.
"We know."
Dennis M. Hammes
> Goober Duck Will "Crybaby" Dockery quacked:
>
>
>>bad review a couple of years ago
>>still can't get over it.
>
"We know."
Dennis M. Hammes
Grammar in English runs from creche to tomb.
Nothing else about the described ride is bumpy, so...
petrolhead
>
>
>
> >www.sullivanthepoet.com
>
> > Web site building is not my forte, but, with practise both it and my
> > poetry will improve...
>
> dared to say a good word about me!
>
> One good way to keep the link available to your poetry website is to
> add a sig at the end of your messages. That way when you post, if
> someone wants to know about you, the details are available.
>
> Probably not as /long winded/ as the one I'm using today, but this is
> a great way to make Usenet work to your advantage, which is getting
> your work to the people who want it... or not, or claim to not.
>
> "Greybeard Cavalier" (video):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6BGlXmtzE8
> Recorded at The Vault
> Columbus, GA 31901
> June 13, 2006
> Vocals: Will Dockery. Music: The Shadowville Allstars.
> Based on "Greybeard Cavalier" by Will Dockery, 0x0000 and Brian
> Fowler.
> Video by Doug Cole
>
> "God's Toybox" (video):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h54SYLZIqnY
> Recorded at The Loft
> Columbus, GA 31901
> July 5, 2006
> Vocals: Will Dockery. Music: The Shadowville Allstars.
> Video by Don Williams
Will, again, thanks for the pointers - What about?....
'Obsession'.
Published 2002 Spotlight Poets
"Corridors of Thought"
ISBN 1 84077 077 5
www. sullivanthepoet.com
Is that what you meant - or is that too much information?
Will Dockery
>
> You don't hafta look for Dockery.
> You'll find him under your local windshield wiper.
> /If/ you're in a small-enough part of a small enough part of Georgia.
While finding Hammes anywhere but here on Usenet or hiding in his closet
will be close to impossible.
Now /that's/ small.
petrolhead
>
> - Show quoted text -
Renay - thanks for the input. Your comments have been noted and taken
on board... Will address them at next rebuild. Left it that size this
time (after input from George Dance about the side to side scrolling)
because I was afraid the text, being part of a jpg, would be difficult
to read if it was too small - but then I guess the reader has the
facility to expand it to suit themselves if they're struggling? It
would make it quicker too...
Apologies anyone who takes the time to visit for the jerky index page
- crammed with hyperlinks it is painfully slow and I haven't figured
out a cure for that - YET - I am on a teach myself curve as a site
builder and I find some bits of that curve are significantly steeper
than others!
Will Dockery
No, that looks good, increases the interest in the poem "Obsession"
and give the link to that and more... the individual can take it from
there.
The only other suggestion I'd have immediately is to add the "http" to
the link:
http://www.sullivanthepoet.com
Since just www.whatever doesn't always work for whatever reason.
petrolhead
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Roger Wilco... " Will add similar to poetry post henceforth - what a
cracking word "Henceforth" rolls right off the tonge dunnit? - By the
way, did you get a look at 'Obsession'? Be interested to hear what you
thought?
petrolhead
>
> - Show quoted text -
George - appreciate the critique - and the kind comments... Glad the
scrolling thig sorted... Also, thanks for the links; exploring your
work with interest and enthusiasm...
Will Dockery
> On Jun 28, 6:57 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 1:47 pm, petrolhead wrote:
>
> > > Will, again, thanks for the pointers - What about?....
>
> > > 'Obsession'.
> > > Published 2002 Spotlight Poets
> > > "Corridors of Thought"
> > > ISBN 1 84077 077 5
>
> > > www. sullivanthepoet.com
>
> > > Is that what you meant - or is that too much information?
>
> > No, that looks good, increases the interest in the poem "Obsession"
> > and give the link to that and more... the individual can take it from
> > there.
>
> > The only other suggestion I'd have immediately is to add the "http" to
> > the link:
>
> >http://www.sullivanthepoet.com
>
> > Since justwww.whateverdoesn'talways work for whatever reason.
>
> cracking word "Henceforth" rolls right off the tonge dunnit? - By the
> way, did you get a look at 'Obsession'? Be interested to hear what you
> thought?
No, but I did follow the exchange between you and George Dance on the
poem "A River Run", which looks interesting, so I'll begin there when
I visit your site, to check out the complete poem.
Troia
Afraid that the only comment I have had to offer is that the "A Poet for
Our Times" makes me wince.
-- Troia
Troia
In most places, sigs are supposed to be 4-lines-or-less.
There are exceptions (ahem) but you might want to keep in mind, if you
plan to post to various-and-sundry groups, that it's a long-standing
sort of standard.
-- Troia
petrolhead
>
> - Show quoted text -
Makes me whince too - but I guess as long as it elicits some sort of
reaction that makes people remember the site it is doing its job?
Dennis M. Hammes
The Duck's been spnaked for it for years.
Also about advertising spam.
Just makes 'em longer.
And continues to refuse to correct his sig delimiter, mandating
hand-trimming.
Dennis M. Hammes
If you overlay your text as text, it responds to <CTRL>+ and <CTRL>-.
If it's part of a .jpg or .gif, that's specced by the image file
header /or/ by a HTML entry sizing the pic up, down, or sqashed to
the space (not necessarily 1:1).
Google any of several online HTML tutors or get the Musciano and
Kennedy (v.3.2, std) or the SAMS (Oliver, v.4).
>
> Apologies anyone who takes the time to visit for the jerky index page
> - crammed with hyperlinks it is painfully slow and I haven't figured
> out a cure for that - YET - I am on a teach myself curve as a site
> builder and I find some bits of that curve are significantly steeper
> than others!
>
Hyperlinks are text, and load in a blink.
What slows your page is the full-page graphics at, probably, a
75-85% "image quality."
A pic that large with so little "information" could be displayed
at 15-25% "image quality" .jpg and lose nothing in the view.
Take the pic, "Save As" in your image manipulator, specifying the
lower reolution(s), view it at that and see what suits you.
A hi-res .jpg is dam' near as big as a .pcx, and not usefully
smaller than a .bmp. It's used only when one needs to get the max
detail via transmission where the medium (e.g., HTML) won't decode
.pcx or .bmp.
As an alternative, since your number of colors is so low, is to
"Save As" a low-/depth/ .gif, say 16 colors. MGI PhotoSuite's
compressor, e.g., will select the 16 colors closest to those you use
(if you use few enough, /those/ colore) as the only ones in the code.
The bit savings in either case is tremjous.
The main irritant (sic) on your page is the sheer size over the
actual information content.
Start with an image the size, not of a single screen (1024x768 is
de rigeur these days), but of the pane displayed inside a browser
window, i.e., shy the top (, bottom,) and right by the banner bars
and frame.
That won't demand the browser display scroll bars (taking up more
image space), and won't need scrolling.
Fit all your title images and button boxes inside it.
Your subpages don't seem horrid, but might be tweaked in the same
manner.
Troia
> reaction that makes people remember the site it is doing its job?
>
Ask the website builders; I have my own uninformed opinionated opinions
about advertising which works on the basis of "remember me, good or bad".
-- Troia
OB
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your main page is a massive 205KB. Since all it does is load a jpg and
a few links, there is no reason on earth for it to be more than 2KB.
Whatever it is you're using - Front Page, Publisher - is filling your
html with garbage. Web pages should be made with a text editor,
there's really no excuse for anything else. As for the jpg, you can
set it to show as a percentage of screen width, but your best bet
would be to cure yourself of this strange addiction to putting text
into image format in the first place.
George Dance
I cn see one benefit to that 'strange addiction' - it prevents certain
others (I will not give examples, but I can think of three) from
simply taking the poems, and making their own use of them, through
mere copying and pasting.
petrolhead
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok George - you caught me - "Mea culpa"... I thought I might sneak
that one by...
Troia
and picks up just the text itself.
Nobody ever goes to page source.
-- Troia
petrolhead
>
> - Show quoted text -
AHA! Sensible input - duly noted and set to be acted upon, along with
the rest of the other little cyber pearls you have all been kind
enough to cast in my direction - Ta ever so...
Troia
BTW, easy and free image resizing/resampling with Irfanview, available
for the download (though making a donation is nice.)
-- Troia
petrolhead
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > AHA! Sensible input - duly noted and set to be acted upon, along with
> > the rest of the other little cyber pearls you have all been kind
> > enough to cast in my direction - Ta ever so...
>
> BTW, easy and free image resizing/resampling with Irfanview, available
> for the download (though making a donation is nice.)
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yet another shining pearl to add to my collection - will google find
it for me or should I pester you for a link?
Troia
> it for me or should I pester you for a link?
>
It's an easy one: http://www.irfanview.com
though of course Google will lead you there too!
Converts between a nice range of graphics formats too.
-- Troia
Dennis M. Hammes
d00d, that's what the dog seD about the skunk, too...
Dennis M. Hammes
fuck...
Will Dockery
"George Dance" wrote:
>petrolhead wrote:
>
> > I would welcome the opportunity to see some of
> > your own work - do you have a site?
>
> I needed something to introduce myself; so I put together a Top 11.
> These are my personal favourites of my own poems; others' mileage
> varies considerably.
>
> Afterglow
> http://tinyurl.com/39p7r3
>
> Away
> http://tinyurl.com/2yqjl5
>
> A Busride on a Summer Night
> http://tinyurl.com/3636cc
>
> Doggerel
> http://tinyurl.com/2seu6q
>
> Flowers for Vera
> http://tinyurl.com/2euncp
>
> Ideas of March
> http://tinyurl.com/2kz4ff
>
> Mars & Avril
> http://tinyurl.com/35ewpr
>
> A Midwinter Night's Eve
> http://tinyurl.com/2x24w2
>
> Syd's Sunrise
> http://tinyurl.com/ywqv5b
>
> Threnody
> http://tinyurl.com/yq7xlj
>
> Upanishad
> http://tinyurl.com/yvmzfj
This is a great idea, and one I don't remember seeing used here, to promote
your poetry and meanwhile also reviving the archived comments... and leaving
the poems open for revival, if the new readers want to make new comments.
George Dance
Well, thank you for drawing attention to it. Back on the 3 I was
just starting my work-week, so I didn't have time to comment; but I
have to say I was rather blown away when I went into google and found
this subject thread.
I added a couple more tinyurls today:
Lucky Penny
http://tinyurl.com/2uk7gv
My Pretty One
http://tinyurl.com/38lvgr
(BTW, I remember you mentioning Henry Conley wanting to write muic to
one of my poems, but I'd already gone to someone else. Well, I've
heard nothing from that front (note to self: send an email today), and
now I've got a second poem (Lucky Penny) crying for its own music. If
you wish you can show that to Mr. Conley; and if he wishes to write
music for it, on the terms you discussed earlier, I'd have no problem
with that.)
Will Dockery
"George Dance" wrote:
> On Jul 3, 4:20 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
I'm very familiar with that schedule you described... 12 hours, probably, on
3 days plus 6, and off 3. Did that for most of the 1980s in my millrat days,
and later in another factory right around the time of 9-11. Always prefered
the allnighters when all the bossmen were home in bed and we had the huge
building to ourselves... literally another world behind those mill fences
and the blocked up windows.
Then the first day off was a period of "recovery" sometimes, and the next
two were like having a vacation every week.
> have to say I was rather blown away when I went into google and found
> this subject thread.
>
> I added a couple more tinyurls today:
>
> Lucky Penny
> http://tinyurl.com/2uk7gv
>
> My Pretty One
> http://tinyurl.com/38lvgr
>
> (BTW, I remember you mentioning Henry Conley wanting to write muic to
> one of my poems, but I'd already gone to someone else. Well, I've
> heard nothing from that front (note to self: send an email today), and
> now I've got a second poem (Lucky Penny) crying for its own music. If
> you wish you can show that to Mr. Conley; and if he wishes to write
> music for it, on the terms you discussed earlier, I'd have no problem
> with that.)
Just started reading "Lucky Penny" today, and the interesting comments from
Stuart, and I think Conley could pull something pretty interesting out of
it. Reminds me a bit of a recent one of ours called "Ragpicker Joe":
Ragpicker Joe
On a stroll,
along a Southside dole.
To collect my thoughts,
and learn what I used to know.
Ambling down the street,
friend to all he meets:
here comes Ragpicker Joe:
Hey hey man,
you got a pistol in your hand.
Don't go doing the things
we often talked about...
Ragpicker Joe,
it's our lives now don't you know?
It just ain't worth doing all that time...
Sally Sue came back,
took his cadillac,
her brothers jacked him up
and left him on the curb.
This is life in the city
we got our ways and our means.
Ragpicker Joe...
He said man
I got the upper hand,
gonna win this war
come high water or ice.
Ragpicker Joe,
why did you go do
all those things you did?
Ragpicker Joe
do do do do...
those things we talked about in jest.
That's the last I seen of old Joe,
he got blown away by the tornado,
an act of God but absolutely just.
Ragpicker Joe
why did you go do
things we often talked about in jest?
Ragpicker Joe
blown away by a tornado
sad case but what did we expect?
Words: Will Dockery
Music: Henry Conley
In other words, I know from the converstation with Stuart and Vera that you
sort of had a 1950s doo-wop sort of thing in mind for "Lucky Penny", but I'm
also hearing an earlier pop sound in it, as well... The Beatles' "Honey
Pie", that sort of (1920s?) kind of sound (not sure of the exact terms I
mentioned, but Henry usually doesn't sing except some harmony and bridges,
so I'd be doing vocals on this demo, which I need to make sure is tolerable
for you... heh.) with that peculiar echo in the voice that the early sound
recordings had and McCartney simulated so brilliantly:
Honey Pie
She was a working girl
north of england way
now she's hit the big time
in the USA
and if she could only hear me
this is what id say
Honey pie
you are making my crazy
im in love but im lazy
so wont you please come home
Oh Honey Pie
my posistion is tragic
come and show the magic
of your Hollywood song
You became a legend of the silver screen
and now the thought of meeting you makes me
weak in the knees
Honey Pie
you're driving me frantic
Sail across the atlantic
to be where you belong
Will the wind that blew her boat across the sea
kindly send her sailing back to me?
-Lennon/McCartney
Anyway, yes, I'd like to show "Lucky Penny" to Henry and see what comes
out... we can move this over to the LP thread for further discussion...