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I put it in there
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You are one dominate dude
Don't you ever forget it man
Cuz you rule dood
Now I will pay Thundyil a $1
Gary McManus
Sun Devils baseball:
Two for three vs. Sooners
Now I really rule
Steve Huntsman 4.1.1999. Fear the Rear Admiralty.
http://www.math.nyu.edu/phd_students/huntsman/vandy.html
What are you talking about
What the hell is baseball
Are you Craig K. Gowens
Gary McManus
I'm not the Commish
But I hear Blake has nice tits
That won't get blown off
Is the magic back?
Has Brandon Daniels brung it?
Only time will tell
At least *your* QB
Will throw better than he drinks
Dayne needs three thousand
Jon
--
Jon Enslin
ens...@uwwvax.uww.edu
Icy fingers drip
melting white beneath the eaves
spring tears finding faith
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yellow striped spider
eight eyes not enough to see
black crow spy a meal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
swallows dipping dance
blue gem dragonflies tripping
over the lake's head
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
fish swim slow and dark
warm green pools of filtered light
dreams in silvered scales
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
green tongues emerging
from dry,brown shriveled remains
clemetis reborn
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
sch...@is7.nyu.edu wrote in article <6hdc0e$7uo$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Babe, please check your facts!
It must be about football
To be official
then it's not haiku,
senryu deals with pigskin
and all other things football
jen
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>Jon Enslin wrote:
>>
>> Babe, please check your facts!
>> It must be about football
>> To be official
>>
>
>then it's not haiku,
>senryu deals with pigskin
>and all other things football
>
Dead to rights, Jen. You've got him.
Mary
Dear precious Mary
Please post in form of haiku
Or do'nt post at all
i almost had him --
if not for syllable count
in the final line
to put this wrong right,
i shall repost said verses
with 'other' removed
...
then it's not haiku,
senryu deals with pigskin
and all things football
jen
>Babe, please check your facts!
>It must be about football
>To be official
And haikus about
Teams in the South East Conf'rence
Are highest artform
The SEC Teams
Sent ten out of thirty to
play in NFL
In the first round of
The NFL Draft, Better
Than all other leagues.
Tom Wigginton
twi...@mindspring.com
UF '86, now in Montgomery, AL
GO GATORS!!! UF 1996 NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!
"Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!!!"
The yellow striped spider is my favorite!
And, speaking of insects:
cocoons womb gnawed through
premature blind moth stumbles -
silk thread in tatters
Izabel S.Ganz
>The SEC Teams
>Sent ten out of thirty to
>play in NFL
>
>In the first round of
>The NFL Draft, Better
>Than all other leagues.
We at PSU
Are learning from SEC
Two thugs in two rounds
Next year wait and see,
Enis and Jurevicious
proteges abound
Mike Dahmus mdahNO...@io.com (remove NOSPAM to reply)
http://www.io.com/~mdahmus/
Dood, you do indeed
Speak undeniable truth.
Drugs and thugs are ours.
The Big "Ten" hopes that,
One fine day, SEC-like
Magic will be theirs.
War Eagle!
John M. Rogers
AU Class of 1985
weagl...@worldnet.att.net
"In the East, college football is
a cultural exercise. On the West
coast, it is a tourist attraction.
In the Midwest, it is cannibalism.
But in the South, college football
is a religion, and every Saturday
is holy day."
Marino Casem
Word out of spring camp:
Can't throw, can't run, and can't catch.
Very long season.
Quarterback's absent,
Arrington blew out his knee
Bend, submit again.
---
Chris Grovich - President
Pennsylvanians Against the Big Ten
http://www.personal.psu.edu/cxg202
>> Dear precious Mary
>> Please post in form of haiku
>> Or do'nt post at all
>
>My dearest JonJon,
>Please do not misuse the term --
>senryu this is.
Sweet merciful crap!
What exactly is senryu?
Oh, we're slow learners.
>In article <353BCED4...@peavine.com>,
> Jensen <a...@peavine.com> wrote:
>>Jon Enslin wrote:
>
>>> Dear precious Mary
>>> Please post in form of haiku
>>> Or do'nt post at all
>>
>>My dearest JonJon,
>>Please do not misuse the term --
>>senryu this is.
>
>Sweet merciful crap!
>What exactly is senryu?
>Oh, we're slow learners.
a senryu is
whatever senryu sid
sez senryu is
Senryu Sid
Senryu Sid Plaza
Chicago
Dear eloquent Jen
Football in 5-7-5 format
Is haiku defined
The haiku rules say
"only nature in this style";
senryu for you!
you see, my dear Jon,
senryu matches haiku's
five-seven-five form
but no nature rule
in senryu, so football
is okay subject
cheers,
My Vancouver Babe
Nothing is more natural
Than pigskin and grass
My dictionary
has "haiku" but does not list
"senryu" at all.
However it says
"haiku" must refer to the
seasons of the year.
I guess senryu
is similar to haiku
but has no seasons.
What Jen does not get
is that for a fan, football
is a season too.
-c
--
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630-840-3662 (office) Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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"As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I
have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear
>Jensen wrote:
>>
>> Jon Enslin wrote:
>> >
>> > Concerned wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:54:16 -0700, Jensen <a...@peavine.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Jon Enslin wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Babe, please check your facts!
>> > > >> It must be about football
>> > > >> To be official
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >then it's not haiku,
>> > > >senryu deals with pigskin
>> > > >and all other things football
>> > > >
>> > > Dead to rights, Jen. You've got him.
>> >
>> > Dear precious Mary
>> > Please post in form of haiku
>> > Or do'nt post at all
>>
>> My dearest JonJon,
>> Please do not misuse the term --
>> senryu this is.
>
>Dear eloquent Jen
>Football in 5-7-5 format
>Is haiku defined
>
>
This dreadful season
Is once more upon us--
Football widows woes
Mary
wings caress the air
swooping casually up
now kissing the wind
a gentle light sweeps
indescriminately through
our intertwined souls
a trail is etched
like a cavern in my soul
your gentle fingers
water orchid floats
delicate petals unfold
blossoming light
--
Angela
---"The poet speaks to all men of that other life of theirs that they have
smothered and forgotten"---
<gasp> an actual haiku concerned with a natural element...be still my heart.
Bless you, Izabel. I like spiders too. Any creature that eats hundreds of
bloodsucking insects is fabulous with me.
another spider haiku
White Page-
infinitesimal red spider scurries
punctuating my stanza.
Joy
http://www.collideascope.com/empire/ebb/icon
http://www.collideascope.com/empire/ebb/myth
The C-Man is right
Haiku are meditations
On seasonal things.
But there is just one
Season: football season. Hence
The term "off-season."
All y'all sensitive
Poetic dudes should check your
Facts before you post.
Thank you, Goddess, for your blessing, et j'adore votre araignee rouge!
The one I have about spiders would probably start a
flamewar, so here's the spring one from my "haiku from the desert":
young cottontails nibble
tender grass of golf course greens -
long shadows paint stripes
Izabel
Izabel
penelop...@hotmail.com wrote:
--
We love the things we love for what they are. -Robert Frost, 'Hyla Brook'
new email address : ltr...@earthlink.net
>but no nature rule
>in senryu, so football
>is okay subject
Misperceptions rule
Football is quite natural
Grass, sun, wind, and snow
With few exceptions
Like Satanic Nebraska
(Plays in living room)
With those exceptions
(All manly schools play on grass)
Haiku seems OK.
>In article <6hh6s6$1l...@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> cgro...@psu.edu (Chris Grovich) writes:
>>m>
>
>>
>>Sweet merciful crap!
>>What exactly is senryu?
>>Oh, we're slow learners.
>
>My dictionary
>has "haiku" but does not list
>"senryu" at all.
>
>However it says
>"haiku" must refer to the
>seasons of the year.
>
>I guess senryu
>is similar to haiku
>but has no seasons.
>
>What Jen does not get
>is that for a fan, football
>is a season too.
Dude, that's beautiful
So beautiful that in fact
You must be a chick.
Knock it off, Dahmus.
I will not go out with you.
Find another date.
-c
--
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630-840-3662 (office) Fermi National Accelerator Lab
met...@oddjob.uchicago.edu (play) P.O. Box 500
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Elvis died for your sins.
Silly Mike Dahmus
Despite his attempts he'll be,
Always, a Husker
-----------------------------------
Tommy Rooney/NU '91
*Blrrrrrrrrrtt! Foul! Unsportmanslike conduct! Attempting to insert
true culture into an RSFC thread. 15 yards and loss of sensitivity!
--
Harry Boswell hbos...@netdoor.com
USDA Zone 8 (Mississippi USA)
Home Page: http://www2.netdoor.com/~hboswell
> This dreadful season
> Is once more upon us--
> Football widows woes
My lovely wife Kay
Is a football fanatic
I am a blessed man
If Kay is lovely
We would like to see a GIF
Of your wife naked
------------------------------
Tommy Rooney/NU '91
Oh Mister Rooney
I would not mind that sight too
It has been awhile
Why do you waste time
Posting on rsfc?
Get jiggy with Kay.
------------------------------
Tommy Rooney/NU '91
Am posting at work
My boss would frown on work sex
It *is* intriguing
>The haiku rules say
>"only nature in this style";
>senryu for you!
>you see, my dear Jon,
>senryu matches haiku's
>five-seven-five form
>but no nature rule
>in senryu, so football
>is okay subject
Thank you for clearing
that matter up. It seems
that we wrote senryus
Without knowing that
we were doing so when we
wrote football "haikus"
You are indeed a
very wise woman in the
ways of poetry
Can you post picture
of yourself so we can see
if beauty match brains?
Tom Wigginton
twi...@mindspring.com
UF '86, now in Montgomery, AL
GO GATORS!!!
"She turned me into a newt!! Well, I got better."
What does your boss look like
Is she good looking
Do her, dude
Gary McManus
Gary speaks the truth
Nail her at work and send a
Letter to Penthouse
-------------------------------
Tommy Rooney/NU '91
Or even better,
you and Kay become Aggies.
Score when the Ags do!
harp
austin,tx
(hey, it's still better than nothing)
What does your boss look like
Is he good looking
Do him, dude
-----------------------------------
Tommy Rooney/NU '91
Eloquent Mr. Harp
I see a flaw in your plan
Wife is not a cow.
Dude, don't be a dick.
Cow-love is found in Austin.
Aggies prefer sheep.
harp
austin,tx
Dude, learn how to read
Issue is girl quality
Not preferred mammals
> Jon Enslin wrote:
> > > What does your boss look like
> > > Is she good looking
> > > Do her, dude
> >
> > Mister Mc Anus
> > I meant doing wife at work
> > Boss is an old man
> >
>
> What does your boss look like
> Is he good looking
> Do him, dude
Not that anything's
Wrong with that. These homophobes
Need to check their facts.
--
Clark Moore
Florida State University
Oh Deer Lord!!!
You are a sick puppy
Have fun in hell
Gary McManus
> This dreadful season
> Is once more upon us--
> Football widows woes
Mary, there's bad news:
Your husband, the President
has been shot and killed.
Oh deer loard it's true!
Someone has shot Honest Abe
I suspect Spillman
----------------------------
Tommy Rooney/NU '91
Enslin's ass probly
Cannot take shit. I do'nt want
To talk about it.
-------------------------------
Tommy Rooney/NU '91
Don't say things like that.
The G-men, we have learned this week,
don't laugh at jokes like this.
-c
--
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met...@oddjob.uchicago.edu (play) P.O. Box 500
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Barney must be destroyed.
>Clark Moore wrote:
>>
>> In article <353E09...@concentric.net>, Thomas Rooney
>> <gel...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Jon Enslin wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Gary McManus wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Jon Enslin wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thomas Rooney wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Jon Enslin wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Thomas Rooney wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Jon Enslin wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Mary Lincoln wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > This dreadful season
>> > > > > > > > > > Is once more upon us--
>> > > > > > > > > > Football widows woes
>> > > > > > > > >
Oh, my God! Jen,
do you see what you have wrought?
Sap's in the trees.
Mary
>In article <354a29d0...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, mlin...@ix.netcom.com
>(Mary Lincoln) wrote:
>
>> This dreadful season
>> Is once more upon us--
>> Football widows woes
>
>Mary, there's bad news:
>Your husband, the President
>has been shot and killed.
But still, I
enjoyed the play. It was a
real killer.
Mary
I like this lady
She is a good sport, to deal
with all the jerks here
--
Eric C. Smith "Go Cocks!"
Except she cannot
seem to keep her haiku in
5-7-5 form.
-c
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Barney must be destroyed.
Haiku in English
does not require that only
five-seven-five works.
cheers,
jen
(back to work ... arghhhhh)
--
the jam
http://www.thejam.com/
Vancouver's Source for Independent Music
Excuse me while I
Go kick the shit out of my
College english prof
----------------------------------
Tommy Rooney/NU '91
Thomas Rooney wrote:
> Clark Moore wrote:
> >
> > In article <354a29d0...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, mlin...@ix.netcom.com
> > (Mary Lincoln) wrote:
> >
> > > This dreadful season
> > > Is once more upon us--
> > > Football widows woes
> >
> > Mary, there's bad news:
> > Your husband, the President
> > has been shot and killed.
> >
>
> Oh deer loard it's true!
> Someone has shot Honest Abe
> I suspect Spillman
>
>
I was not close to
Ford's Theater that Spring night.
John Wilkes Booth done it.
--
-------------------------
Daryl D. Spillmann
(there, I mentioned a season)
-------------------------
Clark Moore wrote:
> In article <354a29d0...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, mlin...@ix.netcom.com
> (Mary Lincoln) wrote:
>
> > This dreadful season
> > Is once more upon us--
> > Football widows woes
>
> Mary, there's bad news:
> Your husband, the President
> has been shot and killed.
>
>
The play that night was"My American Cousin."
How was the show, dear?
--
-------------------------
Daryl D. Spillmann
-------------------------
Haiku with no form
Like a football with no air
We are the Aggeees
- goob (aggees are we) smith
Peculiar dialogue.
"You sockdologizing old mantrap!"
<bang>
-c.h.
and this before Ionesco and Beckett were even born.
>Mary Lincoln wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:11:50 -0400, mo...@scri.fsu.edu (Clark Moore)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Mary, there's bad news:
>> >Your husband, the President
>> >has been shot and killed.
>>
>> But still, I
>> enjoyed the play. It was a
>> real killer.
>>
>> Mary
>
>I like this lady
>She is a good sport, to deal
>with all the jerks here
Nothing like a
tribute to start the day.
Thank you. It's fun.
>
>
>Clark Moore wrote:
>
>> In article <354a29d0...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, mlin...@ix.netcom.com
>> (Mary Lincoln) wrote:
>>
>> > This dreadful season
>> > Is once more upon us--
>> > Football widows woes
>>
>> Mary, there's bad news:
>> Your husband, the President
>> has been shot and killed.
>>
>>
>
>The play that night was
>"My American Cousin."
>How was the show, dear?
That you can ask me
demonstrates your crudity--
My husband is dead!
MLincoln
Haiku in English
works better with lines of 2
stressed/ 3 stressed/ 2 stressed
cheers,
jen
(or so says Blyth and Aitken)
A cheapened Haiku
Like a corner prostitute
How much for a 'job?
- goob (no offense, sweetie-pie) smith
None taken, dickwad.
Perhaps natural rhythm
is beyond your ken.
jen
(no offense, pumpkin)
Last swig of coffee
Spewed on crummy monitor
I vote post of year
jim andrews
I like this jen chick
She's got natural rhythm
How much for a 'job?
- goob (sincere) smith
Alas, poor Goober ...
Reduced to Usenet begging:
shadow of himself.
jen
This Jen chick is kruel
Sticks a dagger in my heart
How much for a 'job?
- goob (not sure if even my former eself would have been a match) smith
Goob changes tactics --
He hopes sucking up will get
him a pity job.
jen
(send your next one quickly because I'm going out and I want to have
more time to think about it <g>)
Sweet merciful crap!
Goober's gonna get a 'job!
Dahmus should take notes.
---
Chris Grovich - President
Pennsylvanians Against the Big Ten
http://www.personal.psu.edu/cxg202
Brawn is my glory,
but you've stolen my facade!
How much for a 'job?
->(send your next one quickly because I'm going out and I want to have
->more time to think about it <g>)
- goob (work got in the way) smith
Jensen wrote:
Budding Lovefest Introduction deleted..
> >
> > This Jen chick is kruel
> > Sticks a dagger in my heart
> > How much for a 'job?
> >
>
> Goob changes tactics --
> He hopes sucking up will get
> him a pity job.
>
> jen
> (send your next one quickly because I'm going out and I want to have
> more time to think about it <g>)
>
goobs charm prevails
young nymphs heart is overcome
with lust for left nut
Men are too silly!
My barbs seek close and true aim --
No job will happen!
jen
In our wildest dreams
Jen favors the distaff type
Can we all watch please?
jim andrews
Desparate for sex
pathetic middle-aged men:
circling vultures.
Sorry, mes amis,
it was fun while it lasted ...
hockey game is on
jen
> Date: 24 Apr 1998 12:41:05 GMT
> From: "El Goob (Gary W. Smith)" <goo...@unix.tamu.edu>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems, alt.arts.poetry.comments,
> alt.language.poetry.pure-silk, rec.sport.football.college
> Subject: Re: spring haiku (any haiku lovers here?)
>
> In some article, Jensen <a...@peavine.com> wrote:
> ->El Goob (Gary W. Smith) wrote:
> ->> ->Chris Metzler wrote:
> ->> ->> Except she cannot
> ->> ->> seem to keep her haiku in
> ->> ->> 5-7-5 form.
> ->> ->Haiku in English
> ->> ->does not require that only
> ->> ->five-seven-five works.
> ->> Haiku with no form
> ->> Like a football with no air
> ->> We are the Aggeees
> ->Haiku in English
> ->works better with lines of 2
> ->stressed/ 3 stressed/ 2 stressed
> A cheapened Haiku
> Like a corner prostitute
> How much for a 'job?
> - goob (no offense, sweetie-pie) smith
>
Then why call it HA-I-KU [3 syllables for the American
But more importantly what you propose is an American HA-I-KU
and logic dictates any of the following so take a vote:
1/ nicemitsubishi vs: nicercheapchevrolet
2/ poetryokay vs: bighamburgerpo-em
3/ pineconesswiftlyfall vs: commercialxmastree
4/ helpfuldiscipline vs: fuckingstupidjaps
Disclaimer: The above are possibilities from USA culture but
do not reflect the author's views.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[c]1998 Hinotru
Permission to reprint in entirety only.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You are mistaken
jen is destiny of dreams
jen confuses you
- goob (silly bovine) smith
Intentions misread
Aim was petty attention
I have learned respect.
Head is now correct
I submit, I vow, I learn
How much for a 'job?
- goob (sugar-muffin) smith
>jim andrews wrote:
>>
>>
>> In our wildest dreams
>> Jen favors the distaff type
>> Can we all watch please?
>>
>
>Desparate for sex
>pathetic middle-aged men:
>circling vultures.
>
>Sorry, mes amis,
>it was fun while it lasted ...
>hockey game is on
>
>jen
RSFC folk
wish their girlfriends were as phat (*)
as Kate u-know-who ;)
Paul
P.S. (* - NOT that other dirty word)
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>Sorry, mes amis,
>it was fun while it lasted ...
>hockey game is on
You ROOL so damn much
Hockey fans must be the best.
Flyers: Kill Buffalo!
I apologize
For my lack of counting skill
Stupid alcohol!
>Mary, there's bad news:
>Your husband, the President
>has been shot and killed.
So other than that
Mrs Lincoln, how was the
Play last night at Ford's?
Tom Wigginton
twi...@mindspring.com
UF '86, now in Montgomery, AL
GO GATORS!!! UF 1996 NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!
"Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!!!"
> In article <moore-ya02408000...@news.fsu.edu>
mo...@scri.fsu.edu (Clark Moore) writes:
> >
> >In article <354a29d0...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, mlin...@ix.netcom.com
> >(Mary Lincoln) wrote:
> >
> >> This dreadful season
> >> Is once more upon us--
> >> Football widows woes
> >
> >Mary, there's bad news:
> >Your husband, the President
> >has been shot and killed.
>
> Don't say things like that.
> The G-men, we have learned this week,
> don't laugh at jokes like this.
They'd be stupid shits
Lincoln's dead a cen'try plus
'fore I'm even born
Though I've had some talks
With federal employees
Who might be that dumn.
Yeah, but profile fits--
I'm a long-time Democrat
Lincoln's GOP.
So I understand
How suspicion might arise
Being from the South
Yeah, I shot the dude
("Sic Semper Tyrannus, punk")
Sherman pissed me off.
Sorry, Mary L
Killing your ol' man was harsh
Nothing pers'nal, toots.
--
Clark Moore
Florida State University
Ford <<<<<<<<<< Mitsubishi
< Chevy (except for Dahmus'
BAD-A$$ chick-magnet)
> 2/ poetryokay vs: bighamburgerpo-em
Your speaking nonsence
All I here is jibberish
Thesorus might help
> 3/ pineconesswiftlyfall vs: commercialxmastree
Tree falls in forest
Nobody there to hear it
Like a Temple game
> 4/ helpfuldiscipline vs: fuckingstupidjaps
American type
Haiku? I do'nt get it, so
It must be made up.
Dood, your all rong hear.
You need to check you're facts so
You can make some sense.
Steve Huntsman
I read all of these so called haiku. I want to know where the "sentinel"
word is? Are you all playing around with three-line poetry and calling it
haiku? Do you think haiku is poetry in 5/7/5 syllables? Do you think this
is all a haiku is? I think you need to go back to school and learn what a
"sentinel" word is. It's a word that relates to nature and a season in the
year. The word "snow" relates to nature and winter. Snow could be a
sentinel word.
Let me show you what I mean with one of my haiku.
Fawns play in new fields.
O'er streams, hooves clime up mountains,
Now, sweet milk --- time robbed.
(c) Vern DeLoy, 1998
"Fawns" is the sentinel word. It is in the traditional format, 5/7/5, it
points to a specific moment, additionally, if you understand it, it has
great emotion. For those that don't know how this poem was to be taken, I
gave it a title of "HOMEYMOON." However, I hate titles on haiku. The title
is only for stupid people that don't know how to read my haiku. Dr. Sigmund
Freud would love this poem. Now do you know what it's about?
I love poetry
I love haiku
please do it -- WRITE
Thanks for your time,
Vern
Interesting read. Loved the haiku. I too have been told, when showing
haiku to people, that it's not haiku because it does not relate to nature,
et al, which haiku is intended to do. I often believed that times were
changing and haiku could be about anything. Hell, people change the number
of syllables and still call it a haiku. Same goes for other forms, like
sonnets and the like. I guess what I wonder about, and have mentioned
around here before, is this: why can't we write a poem and call it
whatever we want, even if it falls short or exceeds a certain poetry
form's rules as to what that certain poem should follow? Why must we be
stuck to names? is it for ourselves? For publishers? For showing other
people examples? Why are we stuck to these names instead of trying to
modify the rules a little to convey our message and still call it a haiku,
or a villanelle or sonnet, even if it's not exact? I'm just curious. :)
Chris
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http://php.indiana.edu/~cstolle
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when i was in high school, i had this english teacher. 9th grade i think it
was, but that's not really important. i liked this teacher, he was very smart.
the only problem with him was, that even though *i* happened to like him very
much for his methods and wisdom, he didn't know how to illustrate his points
without being condescending or patronizing.
as it turns out, he was a martial arts expert too, but that's not really
important either, because when all 8 of them got him in the parking lot, there
really wasn't much he could do.
there was another teacher the next year, a woman this time. she probably
thought frued would just *adore* her work too.
she never got jumped in the parking lot tho, even still she probably should
have.
The 5/7/5 rule is not as strict as most people seem to think, especially
when writing haiku in English. The 5/7/5 rule refers to onji, or sounds.
This has been roughly translated to English syllables. The problem with
this is that onji are all one length; that is, they take the same length
of time to be spoken. Syllables in the English language vary in length.
(Example: stretch and it are both monosyllabic words but are different
lengths.) So, Japanese haiku of 5/7/5 tend to be the same length as
English haiku of 3/5/3.
Robert Aitken, among others, has an interesting theory regarding the
length of haiku in English. Regardless of subject, haiku encapsulate an
experience. This is generally referred to as a 'haiku moment'. Aitken
posits that any haiku moment (or aesthetic moment, if you prefer) lasts
only as long as a single breath. The number of Japanese onji that can be
comfortably spoken in a single breath is 17. The number of English
syllables that can be comfortably spoken in a single breath is 11. The
haiku quoted in the original post and in the thread as a whole are, IMO,
too long for haiku.
Another characteristic of haiku is its apparent subjectivity. Neither
the poet, nor the poet's ideals, are present in the poem. The poem
quoted below fails in that regard. Think of haiku as literal statements
where metaphor is out of place. As such, time cannot rob. It is simply
impossible. (No metaphor arguments work in haiku.)
Some good information available on the Web about haiku can be found at:
http://www.users.interport.net/~jhudak/Kuwhat.html
http://mikan.cc.matsuyama-u.ac.jp/~shiki/
http://www.faximum.com/aha.d/haiku.htm
http://www.users.interport.net/~jhudak/
http://www.into.demon.co.uk/
http://www.magnetica.com/hai-rise/index.htm
http://www.faximum.com/aha%21poetry
http://www.octet.com/~hsa/index.html
http://www.enteract.com/~asgp/agd-poems/keiko-essay.html
http://members.aol.com/WelchM/index.html
As to Christopher's post, why do people insist on forcing their Western
ideas into an Eastern form and calling it haiku? I don't know. Perhaps
they simply don't know that it's perfectly legitimate to call it a
'short poem'. Perhaps there is a need to fit into an ideal. Extend that
possibility to other literary forms.
Maybe people are just afraid to say "This is a poem. It is not haiku, it
is not a sonnet, it is not a ballad. It simply is." Maybe people, at
some level, need a label or need to belong.
I dunno.
cheers,
jen
Christopher Stolle wrote:
>
> Interesting read. Loved the haiku. I too have been told, when showing
> haiku to people, that it's not haiku because it does not relate to nature,
> et al, which haiku is intended to do. I often believed that times were
> changing and haiku could be about anything. Hell, people change the number
> of syllables and still call it a haiku. Same goes for other forms, like
> sonnets and the like. I guess what I wonder about, and have mentioned
> around here before, is this: why can't we write a poem and call it
> whatever we want, even if it falls short or exceeds a certain poetry
> form's rules as to what that certain poem should follow? Why must we be
> stuck to names? is it for ourselves? For publishers? For showing other
> people examples? Why are we stuck to these names instead of trying to
> modify the rules a little to convey our message and still call it a haiku,
> or a villanelle or sonnet, even if it's not exact? I'm just curious. :)
>
> Chris
>
> On Sat, 2 May 1998, V. Ursenbach wrote:
>
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> -- Christopher Thomas Stolle --
> http://php.indiana.edu/~cstolle
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It's because prescriptivism sucks even more than bad haiku. Blame the
militant grammarians. Blame the William Safires, the frustrated English
teachers, the repressive and anal prescriptivist regime as a whole. Blame
Chomsky and his refusal to accept that language can exist independently of
his norms, much less flourish. These are the sick doods, the cheataneous
sluts, who are spreding rong stuff--not only in this chat room, but in the
minds of children. The Spelling Gestapo. The creationists in an
evolutionary world.
How did you like that haiku?
HEAR is another haiku for you:
Mortal spring has passed
The icy glare: vanished; where
Has the magic gone?
Steve Huntsman 4.1.1999. Fear the Rear Admiralty.
V. Ursenbach wrote:
--
We love the things we love for what they are. -Robert Frost, 'Hyla Brook'
new email address : ltr...@earthlink.net
>Chris Metzler wrote:
>>
>> In article <6iehom$7f5$1...@supernews.com> "V. Ursenbach" <vdu...@lvdi.net> writes:
>> [ diatribe about how we should write haiku the way Vern says snipped ]
>> >
>> >Let me show you what I mean with one of my haiku.
>> >
>> >Fawns play in new fields.
>> >O'er streams, hooves clime up mountains,
>> > Now, sweet milk --- time robbed.
>> > (c) Vern DeLoy, 1998
>> >"Fawns" is the sentinel word. It is in the traditional format, 5/7/5, it
>> >points to a specific moment, additionally, if you understand it, it has
>> >great emotion.
>>
>> D00d, that's beautiful.
>>
>> How about this:
>>
>> Summertime is here.
>> Vern's arrogance makes me barf;
>> Wish he'd just shut up.
>> (c) Chris Metzler, 1998
>>
>> "Barf" is the sentinel word here; a very natural process, evocative of
>> a specific moment, and very emotional for those familiar with it.
>>
>> >Thanks for your time,
>> >Vern
>>
>> No -- thank *you*.
>
>Karen Carpenter would love your poem
>
>=======
>Boutros
How 'bout this one:
Off in the distance
I smell Cheez Whiz with my nose;
I must heed its call...
Written by "The Bandit"
--
aufan-deux
goobie, my dearest,
how i've missed your paltry verse.
how goes the season?
cheers,
jen