BEST FRIENDS FOR LIFE
pandora
BEST FRIENDS FOR LIFE
----------------------------------------
our 38th wedding anniversay
today and some are amazed
we have lasted so long
naysayers have fallen by the wayside
but we knew
it would be forever
best friends always know
when it's for life
August 21, 2003
Marguerite K.A. Petersen
T------(*)------M
>
>
Poorly punctuated, and very bad.
All time lows on this, pixie.
Just my opinion.
You should read some good poetry.
--
I'm one team, working alone.
Visit my ribjoint: http:// ....
Michael Cook
"T------(*)------M" <AxeTo...@SomeOnesExpense.com> wrote in message
> > pandora said:
> >
> >
>
> Poorly punctuated, and very bad.
> All time lows on this, pixie.
> Just my opinion.
> You should read some good poetry.
I read some good poetry and my opinion is this:
That my opinion doesn't really matter, at the moment anyway,
and if I thought it did I would think it mattered less to her.
Its like the Sonny and Cher song "Baby don't go"
who cares what I think about it?
t<|>m
In other words, you can't disagree for reasons of poetry,
but don't want to agree for /other/ reasons.
I mean, this is total garbage, and she really should know.
If it was a newbie, you would rub their face in it.
Michael Cook
"t<|>m" <Aort...@Tbmmuudduu.com> wrote in message
"In other words, you can't disagree for reasons of poetry,
but don't want to agree for /other/ reasons.
I mean, this is total garbage, and she really should know.
If it was a newbie, you would rub their face in it."
>
No, what I meant was it doesn't matter (to her) that I think it good or not,
she wrote it for herself, not for you or I. Well, how do I know this, you
may be asking yourself. I know it to be true because I have read a number
of her poems, some going back twenty years so you see, I base my opinion on
the body of her work. She did not ask for a c&c, so I assume she wrote it
because, like me, poetry gives voice where otherwise none exists. Could my
opinion be skewed because I also happen to think her a kind soul, maybe, but
I also read yours and chucks (his honest ones) as objectively as I am able,
and taking all things into consideration.
I have no idea why it is you write poetry but I do know why I fumble with it
and I think I know why she does. If she were a newbie I would suggest she
read some good poetry but she is not and if she were there does come a point
of diminishing returns. A point where I could invalidate my opinion by
neglecting the other side of criticism, in other words "this is total
garbage" is more a reflection of the speaker then a part of formal critique,
even our Mr. Ross bends over backwards to help a willing neophyte. To say
"this is total garbage" once ok but to repeat it in preceding critiques is
pointless, divisive, and contentious in nature.
mdc
E Selow
Congrats, Marg - and nicely said.
Elvira
Michael Cook
"t<|>m" <HurtFe...@LostAndConfused.com> wrote in message
>snipesnip<
Read the thread "Another One/" posted by Lmdelsanto
and tell me poetry is not more then the sum of its parts.
Fade to this thread, is it worth it? You fritter away your time
here on trifle's when with just a few well thought out lines
one could chance immortality, it's a risk we all would gladly take,
ain't it? Ya know what a good poem is
its one you can fuckin remember.
Michael Cook
"pandora" <pan...@peak.org> wrote in message
news:bi415e$g4s$1...@quark.scn.rain.com...
mdc
T.[#].M
>
>
> "t<|>m" <Aort...@Tbmmuudduu.com> wrote in message
>
> "In other words, you can't disagree for reasons of poetry,
> but don't want to agree for /other/ reasons.
> I mean, this is total garbage, and she really should know.
> If it was a newbie, you would rub their face in it."
> >
>
> No, what I meant was it doesn't matter (to her) that I think it good or not,
> she wrote it for herself, not for you or I.
No, strictly speaking, it is clear she has no love of language.
She is a poetry groupie who likes poetry, but only what I consider
the crap side of poetry.
She wrote it so she show off, "as if" she is a poet.
There are more like that.
If that was all she was, I would not raise a testis.
BUT...
In addition, she swaggers around bashing others constantly.
Dennis and others do it also, but she is truly stupid in her insults,
much like you. (and you really think you look better than chuck?)
Group-think will pretty much always form a scapegoat.
I say pandora is much better than chuck, I nominate her for
SCAPEGOAT OF USENET POETRY..
I will go with a bald bike messenger from Florida any day,
to some saggy old biddie from cold-tit country.
I don't want to talk about Detroit, or why anyone
would want to live there.
Stupid, hunh?
Of course.
> Well, how do I know this, you
> may be asking yourself. I know it to be true because I have read a number
> of her poems, some going back twenty years so you see, I base my opinion on
> the body of her work.
Not quite 2 decades, but no surprise.
> She did not ask for a c&c, so I assume she wrote it
> because, like me, poetry gives voice where otherwise none exists.
Then why are 90+ percent of her postings hatred?
Why does she burn bridges with her friends because they
aren't as obsessed with me as she is?
> Could my
> opinion be skewed because I also happen to think her a kind soul,
Feh.
And you just got done telling me about DOSing my website?
And you think it is fine for some moron (probably you) to post
my address on the Usenet.
I've said it before. I would never do such a thing.
I can't even bring myself to post humorous personal ads for
you on the gay teen / herpes etc. groups.
Sorry. On reflection, I'm just not capable.
You win on that one Mikey.
I can't really approach your levels of jerkitude.
> maybe, but
> I also read yours and chucks (his honest ones) as objectively as I am able,
> and taking all things into consideration.
> I have no idea why it is you write poetry but I do know why I fumble with it
> and I think I know why she does.
If she stops being viperous, I haven't a problem with her,
and she can post a poem every 5 minutes if she wants.
I wouldn't say a verd.
> If she were a newbie I would suggest she
> read some good poetry but she is not and if she were there does come a point
> of diminishing returns. A point where I could invalidate my opinion by
> neglecting the other side of criticism, in other words "this is total
> garbage" is more a reflection of the speaker then a part of formal critique,
Sometimes my typing hands can't re-elucidate the /problems/
with her attempts at every encounter.
I am working on advanced cut/paste type features in Uzzinet
that should make it easier.
As it is, I just did a nice feature that:
At the click of a right menu, I can load the edit space with
the last 100 postings of whatever person I am looking at,
(either top-level, or all postings), all de- >'ed
(other people's text removed, just what they said)
Would make a Tofu Remix quite easy.
I do need to take a trip to alt.test or something, and really
/get a load off/.
> even our Mr. Ross bends over backwards to help a willing neophyte.
He used to some, yes.
He is a nutcase.
You talk about tolerance here... where is Peter's tolerance for Walter Alter?
I don't read Walter much, but hey.
Divisive? Contentious?
> To say
> "this is total garbage" once ok but to repeat it in preceding critiques is
> pointless, divisive, and contentious in nature.
To do so to me is similarly, blah blah etc.
..but REALLY, if you are having fun, I am, enough for now...
She said she was gone, and now she is back.
Fine.
If her insult / (even attempted) poetry ratio is reasonable,
I will be also.
If she calls me an axe murderer continually, I will have her
arrested.
It will fall somewhere in the middle.
If Poetry is the hammer,
Got nail?
t.{x}.m
>
>
> "t<|>m" <HurtFe...@LostAndConfused.com> wrote in message
> >snipesnip<
>
> Read the thread "Another One/" posted by Lmdelsanto
> and tell me poetry is not more then the sum of its parts.
> Fade to this thread, is it worth it?
I could cite hundreds of similar threads between you and
chuck, or pixie and chuck.
Is that worth it?
> You fritter away your time
> here on trifle's when with just a few well thought out lines
> one could chance immortality, it's a risk we all would gladly take,
> ain't it? Ya know what a good poem is
> its one you can fuckin remember.
Yes.
I am aware I am capable of creating poetry that is
memorable to some people.
I do /that/ far more than the average world citizen.
Richard Conlin
"T.[#].M" IWillGe...@RevengeWillGetMe.com wrote in message
>reformatted to be readable snip<
"No, strictly speaking, it is clear she has no love of language.
She is a poetry groupie who likes poetry, but only what I consider
the crap side of poetry.
She wrote it so she show off, "as if" she is a poet.
There are more like that.
If that was all she was, I would not raise a testis."
So say you, that is an opinion.
I say you are wrong, and that's what
makes the world go round
"BUT..."
Yes?
"In addition, she swaggers around bashing others constantly.
Dennis and others do it also, but she is truly stupid in her insults,
much like you. (and you really think you look better than chuck?)"
I see, but I only bash you and chuck, yes I do look better then chuck,
I have seen his pic, even better then you! But I don't spam, or flood
Or follow women from post to post, so now who do I look like?
"Group-think will pretty much always form a scapegoat."
Well, no shit, don't you think spam, fake names, harassment,
Forgeries had anything to do with it?
"I say pandora is much better than chuck, I nominate her for
SCAPEGOAT OF USENET POETRY.."
I say not and do not.
"I will go with a bald bike messenger from Florida any day,
to some saggy old biddie from cold-tit country.
I don't want to talk about Detroit, or why anyone
would want to live there."
Not a very good retort, and I don't want to live here
I would rather be home, in Mississippi.
"Stupid, hunh?"
Yes
"Of course."
Yes
> She did not ask for a c&c, so I assume she wrote it
> because, like me, poetry gives voice where otherwise none exists.
"Then why are 90+ percent of her postings hatred?
Why does she burn bridges with her friends because they
aren't as obsessed with me as she is?"
If that is what you think and you feel strongly about it ask her!
If you don't like the answer you get do what I do, keep on steppin.
Asking the same question twenty different ways two hundred times
Is, well, is what?
"And you just got done telling me about DOSing my website?"
I lied
"And you think it is fine for some moron (probably you) to post
my address on the Usenet."
You posted it, someone just copied what you had already made public
"I've said it before. I would never do such a thing.
I can't even bring myself to post humorous personal ads for
you on the gay teen / herpes etc. groups.
Sorry. On reflection, I'm just not capable.
You win on that one Mikey."
Wouldn't bother me, and how do you know I did the dirty deed?
What you are "capable" of is a mater of public record
"I can't really approach your levels of jerkitude."
You manage to spam, forge, harass women and
Intrude where not wanted quite well, what "level"
of "jerkitude" would that be?
"If she stops being viperous, I haven't a problem with her,
and she can post a poem every 5 minutes if she wants."
It is not your place to tell anyone what he or she may or may not do
It is only yours to tend to yourself.
"I wouldn't say a verd."
A silent voice
"Sometimes my typing hands can't re-elucidate the /problems/
with her attempts at every encounter."
That's not the worlds problem, it is yours alone.
"I am working on advanced cut/paste type features in Uzzinet
that should make it easier."
You are easily killfiled, your efforts are mote
> even our Mr. Ross bends over backwards to help a willing neophyte.
"He used to some, yes.
He is a nutcase."
Only to you
"You talk about tolerance here... where is Peter's tolerance for Walter
Alter?"
ask him, I have no idea nor do I care, Mr. Alter can take care of himself.
"I don't read Walter much, but hey.
Divisive? Contentious?"
I read all of his posts
"She said she was gone, and now she is back."
It is a free country
"If her insult / (even attempted) poetry ratio is reasonable,
I will be also."
Guess what, she don't care, nobody cares
The only who should care is you
"If she calls me an axe murderer continually, I will have her
arrested."
That's silly
Michael Cook
> and tell me poetry is not more then the sum of its parts.
> Fade to this thread, is it worth it?
"I could cite hundreds of similar threads between you and
chuck, or pixie and chuck."
You missed the point
> You fritter away your time
> here on trifle's when with just a few well thought out lines
> one could chance immortality, it's a risk we all would gladly take,
> ain't it? Ya know what a good poem is
> its one you can fuckin remember.
"Yes.
I am aware I am capable of creating poetry that is
memorable to some people.
I do /that/ far more than the average world citizen."
Again, you miss the point
And make no mistake, like the rest of us
You are than the average world citizen
Michael Cook
"T.[#].M" IWillGe...@RevengeWillGetMe.com wrote in message
>reformatted to be readable snip<
"No, strictly speaking, it is clear she has no love of language.
She is a poetry groupie who likes poetry, but only what I consider
the crap side of poetry.
She wrote it so she show off, "as if" she is a poet.
There are more like that.
If that was all she was, I would not raise a testis."
So say you, that is an opinion.
I say you are wrong, and that's what
makes the world go round
"BUT..."
Yes?
"In addition, she swaggers around bashing others constantly.
Dennis and others do it also, but she is truly stupid in her insults,
much like you. (and you really think you look better than chuck?)"
I see, but I only bash you and chuck, yes I do look better then chuck,
I have seen his pic, even better then you! But I don't spam, or flood
Or follow women from post to post, so now who do I look like?
"Group-think will pretty much always form a scapegoat."
Well, no shit, don't you think spam, fake names, harassment,
Forgeries had anything to do with it?
"I say pandora is much better than chuck, I nominate her for
SCAPEGOAT OF USENET POETRY.."
I say not and do not.
"I will go with a bald bike messenger from Florida any day,
to some saggy old biddie from cold-tit country.
I don't want to talk about Detroit, or why anyone
would want to live there."
Not a very good retort, and I don't want to live here
I would rather be home, in Mississippi.
"Stupid, hunh?"
Yes
"Of course."
Yes
> She did not ask for a c&c, so I assume she wrote it
> because, like me, poetry gives voice where otherwise none exists.
"Then why are 90+ percent of her postings hatred?
Why does she burn bridges with her friends because they
aren't as obsessed with me as she is?"
If that is what you think and you feel strongly about it ask her!
If you don't like the answer you get do what I do, keep on steppin.
Asking the same question twenty different ways two hundred times
Is, well, is what?
"And you just got done telling me about DOSing my website?"
I lied
"And you think it is fine for some moron (probably you) to post
my address on the Usenet."
You posted it, someone just copied what you had already made public
"I've said it before. I would never do such a thing.
I can't even bring myself to post humorous personal ads for
you on the gay teen / herpes etc. groups.
Sorry. On reflection, I'm just not capable.
You win on that one Mikey."
Wouldn't bother me, and how do you know I did the dirty deed?
What you are "capable" of is a mater of public record
"I can't really approach your levels of jerkitude."
You manage to spam, forge, harass women and
Intrude where not wanted quite well, what "level"
of "jerkitude" would that be?
"If she stops being viperous, I haven't a problem with her,
and she can post a poem every 5 minutes if she wants."
It is not your place to tell anyone what he or she may or may not do
It is only yours to tend to yourself.
"I wouldn't say a verd."
A silent voice
"Sometimes my typing hands can't re-elucidate the /problems/
with her attempts at every encounter."
That's not the worlds problem, it is yours alone.
"I am working on advanced cut/paste type features in Uzzinet
that should make it easier."
You are easily killfiled, your efforts are mote
> even our Mr. Ross bends over backwards to help a willing neophyte.
"He used to some, yes.
He is a nutcase."
Only to you
"You talk about tolerance here... where is Peter's tolerance for Walter
Alter?"
ask him, I have no idea nor do I care, Mr. Alter can take care of himself.
"I don't read Walter much, but hey.
Divisive? Contentious?"
I read all of his posts
"She said she was gone, and now she is back."
It is a free country
"If her insult / (even attempted) poetry ratio is reasonable,
I will be also."
Guess what, she don't care, nobody cares
The only who should care is you
"If she calls me an axe murderer continually, I will have her
arrested."
That's silly
T_(X)_M
>
>
> I say you are wrong, and that's what
> makes the world go round
Yup.
IP: 68.73.59.3
pandora
"Michael Cook" <coo...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:vkbk349...@news.supernews.com...
Marg
T-----(_)-----M
You can't.
You have told us all that numerous times.
He couldn't, with any seriousness, have much good to say
about this as poetry.
pandora
Marg
pandora
"E Selow" <sis...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:bi58io$rfu$06$2...@news.t-online.com...
though. Of course, much of the negativity as usual comes from Tommyboy. I
find it rather interesting, however. I post ONE poem and he comments on it
repeatedly. I've said nothing TO him for ages and yet he continues to rail
against my *viperous* behavior. There have been SO many wonderful poems
posted over the past few days that one would think he might have focused on
one of them rather than on one he felt was so terrible. Of course, his
obsession with me is quite obvious.
I will continue to keep a low profile and read what others have written and
enjoy them as always. Write on!!!
Marg
t------ . ------m
>
>
> Of course, his obsession with me is quite obvious.
Like you haven't made me (and chuckie) a project?
TO THE POINT OF CHARRING FRIENDSHIPS OVER IT.
> I will continue to keep a low profile
Do whatever you need to do, of course.
I'm always here to help you with poetry.
Call this weekend if you want.
Michie
>
> Call this weekend if you want.
Maggy is coming over too.
Party Time!!!!!
--
Michie
-A femme in every filigree.
Richard Conlin
I enjoyed reading your poem, having been married for twenty-eight years
I can appreciate the sentiment
Michael Cook
"T_(X)_M" <Evve...@Veelelu.com> wrote in message
news:Mhr1b.882$Ff6...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> > Michael Cook said:
> >
> >
> > I say you are wrong, and that's what
> > makes the world go round
>
> Yup.
>
> IP: 68.73.59.3
>
>
news group with your spam they killed cook368@. The reason you don't see my
ip with the supernews account is that I run it through NewsProxy which
strips the header of the ip, I use the Proxy to avoid the crossposts and
most of your spam.
The ip number you posted is dynamic and from my ameritech account.
That will 22.50$ for the short lesson in proxy servers
Michael Cook
I had to make up another user id for ameritech as they killed poor old
cook368@
When I posted to the sbc news group all of toms spam. I figured they should
share in the misery,
they took a different view.
T-^O^-M
>
>
> "T_(X)_M" <Evve...@Veelelu.com> wrote in message
> news:Mhr1b.882$Ff6...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> > > Michael Cook said:
> > >
> > >
> > > I say you are wrong, and that's what
> > > makes the world go round
> >
> > Yup.
> >
> > IP: 68.73.59.3
> >
> >
> That is my ameritech account I had to create another, when I flooded the sbc
> news group with your spam they killed cook368@.
No kidding. That wasn't a freebie, that was SBC?
What did they say about me? Anything?
Who is Richard Conlin?
I have never lost an account, as of yet.
Never been warned about anything,
and assume I am reasonable enough.
If not, I will comply.
I don't think that my name changing, nor my 3-4 impish
socks are illegal.
> The reason you don't see my
> ip with the supernews account is that I run it through NewsProxy which
> strips the header of the ip, I use the Proxy to avoid the crossposts and
> most of your spam.
Do whatever. My IP is static. Filter it.
You don't understand the word "spam".
It refers to commercial postings/email.
Not on-topic postings, just because you don't like me.
> The ip number you posted is dynamic and from my ameritech account.
I just posted for fun.
T...{x}...M
Like that was hard to figure?
I guess that will put a damper on your plans to sue SBC?
Personally, I think sueing me directly makes the most sense,
and would waste the most of your money.
Ukiah is nice in the fall, and there is a Motel 6.
Beats Detroit.
Dennis M. Hammes
saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
--
------(m+
~/:o)_|
We must never forget the concept of an educated man as one who is
competent to refound his own civilisation. -- Edwin de Lattre
http://scrawlmark.org
Dennis M. Hammes
>
> > Michael Cook said:
> >
> >
> > "t<|>m" <Aort...@Tbmmuudduu.com> wrote in message
> >
> > "In other words, you can't disagree for reasons of poetry,
> > but don't want to agree for /other/ reasons.
> > I mean, this is total garbage, and she really should know.
> > If it was a newbie, you would rub their face in it."
> > >
> >
> > No, what I meant was it doesn't matter (to her) that I think it good or not,
> > she wrote it for herself, not for you or I.
>
> No, strictly speaking, it is clear she has no love of language.
saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
>
> She is a poetry groupie who likes poetry, but only what I consider
> the crap side of poetry.
saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
>
> She wrote it so she show off, "as if" she is a poet.
saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
>
> There are more like that.
>
> If that was all she was, I would not raise a testis.
>
> BUT...
>
> In addition, she swaggers around bashing others constantly.
saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
> Dennis and others do it also, but she is truly stupid in her insults,
saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
> much like you. (and you really think you look better than chuck?)
saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
...
[more of same]
T___[ ]___M
>
> saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
I keep telling you, I don't speak French.
t_{*}_m
>
> saru noberu saru mo komino o hoshige nari.
Means: Excuse please, cracker needs to pound pud.
pandora
"Richard Conlin" <richard...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>
> "pandora" <pan...@peak.org> wrote in message
> news:bi5h01$8a1$1...@quark.scn.rain.com...
> >
> > "Michael Cook" <coo...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> > news:vkbk349...@news.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "T------(*)------M" <AxeTo...@SomeOnesExpense.com> wrote in message
> > > > > pandora said:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Poorly punctuated, and very bad.
> > > > All time lows on this, pixie.
> > > > Just my opinion.
> > > > You should read some good poetry.
> > >
> > > I read some good poetry and my opinion is this:
> > > That my opinion doesn't really matter, at the moment anyway,
> > > and if I thought it did I would think it mattered less to her.
> > > Its like the Sonny and Cher song "Baby don't go"
> > > who cares what I think about it?
> > >
> > Be brutally honest, Michael. I can take it.
> >
> > Marg
> >
> I was trying to make a fine point to our Mr. Tom, I failed.
Nothing gets through *that* thick skull where I'm concerned I'm afraid.
He's made it a personal vendetta.
> I enjoyed reading your poem, having been married for twenty-eight years
> I can appreciate the sentiment
>
Thanks. I'm glad to hear that others are standing test of time. It's a
rare thing these days.
Marg
pandora
us to his spam but they don't wish to see it themselves. What a terrific
ISP, not. Perhaps they need to get a little poke from other ISPs? It's
called self policing and I consider it to be a better method than bringing
in the Feds.
Marg
Michael Cook
sbc
> news group with your spam they killed cook368@.
"No kidding. That wasn't a freebie, that was SBC?
What did they say about me? Anything?
Who is Richard Conlin?"
You ask a lot of questions! I don't use a "freebie"
I had News.com but paid them with the same credit card as I did
"Church of the swimming elephant" (long story) Steve at COTSE and I didn't
see eye to eye on several points so I canceled my account, he didn't, so I
canceled the credit card which in turn canceled the News.com account. After
SBC killed cook368@ I singed up with Supernews.
Ameritech's news uses a slow server and has poor article retention, which is
why I opted for a third party news service in the first place. Richard
Conlin is a name I used to generate another SBCAmeritech account so as to be
able to use a service for which I pay.
No, your name did not come up. My problem with SBCAmeritech has little to
do with you and more to do with their shoddy service. They have no
complaint department, their abuse department is a dead end auto response, in
fact Tom you can pretty much do anything you like,
for the time being anyway. Someone from their corporate office did send me
an e-mail and followed up with a phone call today, probably because I filed
a small claims suit for the 5.95 a month I now pay Supernews and for which
they refused to credit to my account, but, they allowed one month credit and
I created another SBCameritech identity so the suit is now over,
to bad as I was looking forward to my day in court. There is nothing I like
better then exposing corporations, government and individuals that take
advantage of people, for the scum that they are.
"I have never lost an account, as of yet.
Never been warned about anything,
and assume I am reasonable enough.
If not, I will comply.
I don't think that my name changing, nor my 3-4 impish
socks are illegal."
If you read the entire SBC TOS you will find that you are in violation,
but, the SBC TOS is just to appease the public. My opinion is that your
activity
is both unethical and unreasonable, my only complaint to SBC was when you
forged a header so as to make it appear it had originated from me, as I said
that went nowhere.
So spam, flood, follow and forge to your hearts content as the only persons
who will take issue with it are people like me.
Michael Cook
> I had to make up another user id for ameritech as they killed poor old
> cook368@
> When I posted to the sbc news group all of toms spam. I figured they
should
> share in the misery,
> they took a different view.
"Like that was hard to figure?
I guess that will put a damper on your plans to sue SBC?
Personally, I think sueing me directly makes the most sense,
and would waste the most of your money.
Ukiah is nice in the fall, and there is a Motel 6.
Beats Detroit."
You think this is a me against you thing?
Again you miss the point. The SBC suit went off as planed
but not for the reasons you think.
Michael Cook
us to his spam but they don't wish to see it themselves. What a terrific
ISP, not. Perhaps they need to get a little poke from other ISPs? It's
called self policing and I consider it to be a better method than bringing
in the Feds.
Marg
The thing with SBC is this:
I don't have to get 4 virus's a day, they have the technology to filter
those
I don't have to suffer ten pieces of junk mail a day, they have the
technology to filter those
But they also provide Internet access to a good number of spaming companies,
you do see the problem. True the responsibility for my computer security
does fall to me first but they work hand in hand with spamers to help avoid
most simple, known techniques of blocking spam.
SBCAmeritech is fast becoming a monopoly in the telecommunications
business, a true good old fashioned trust and we pay the price. There is a
law that goes into effect in Michigan September first that requires isp's to
provide a method for preventing spam, I cant wait for Sep first, I will be
one of the first on the phone to them.
Free speech ends where my computer begins!
'Up the organization!'
Attica! Attica! Attica! Attica!
T_____<|>_____M
>
> > The Richard Conlin name is Michael Cook
> > I had to make up another user id for ameritech as they killed poor old
> > cook368@
> > When I posted to the sbc news group all of toms spam. I figured they
> should
> > share in the misery,
> > they took a different view.
>
>
> "Like that was hard to figure?
> I guess that will put a damper on your plans to sue SBC?
> Personally, I think sueing me directly makes the most sense,
> and would waste the most of your money.
> Ukiah is nice in the fall, and there is a Motel 6.
> Beats Detroit."
>
> You think this is a me against you thing?
> Again you miss the point.
No, I think it is a you against yourself thing.
Perhaps you will come out better than before.
You have threatened me with computer hacking,
DOS, and are problably the one posting my address info.
You are dispicable to the point of criminality,
and yet pose as self-righteous.
You have no self-control, much like Tex.
> The SBC suit went off as planed
> but not for the reasons you think.
As usual, I can't make this out.
You are saying that you are filing suit against SBC,
but not for whatever you think I think?
(but I have no idea why you would sue SBC, only that
you said you would. What is your cause of action?)
T . M
You sound like all kinds of fun.
>
> "I have never lost an account, as of yet.
> Never been warned about anything,
> and assume I am reasonable enough.
> If not, I will comply.
> I don't think that my name changing, nor my 3-4 impish
> socks are illegal."
>
> If you read the entire SBC TOS you will find that you are in violation,
I doubt it at this point. (new meds)
Not that you will ever like my perverted little ass,
but it is mutual, and it is Usenet.
Maybe on a few posts, but my impersonations were on Newsfeeds.
> but, the SBC TOS is just to appease the public.
Cover their asses.
It is my opinion that they should not be the police.
Who are they to decide my case, your case.
Too complex, and requires due process, no matter how
painful it is.
> My opinion is that your
> activity
> is both unethical and unreasonable,
I feel the same about being hacked, DOS, and personal
address info posted.
Those things, I could easily get DA's interested in.
/YOU/ are unethical and unreasonable, not me.
> my only complaint to SBC was when you
> forged a header so as to make it appear it had originated from me, as I said
> that went nowhere.
Did I do so with the SBC account?
If so, it shouldn't have been, but rather from Newsfeeds, and it was
a mistake. Newsfeeds has no policy on impersonating other Usenet users,
and they told me so explicitly.
Nevertheless, I have repeatedly said that I am not interested in direct
impersonation, since it would fall into harassment very quickly.
It is over for me, even though you or whoever continues the lowlevel
bullshit. Cute, but not upsetting at all.
I absolutely contend that even direct impersonation on the level we are talking
about is not criminal in any way, as long as it isn't ongoing, and not even close
to things like hacking and DOS.
> So spam, flood, follow and forge to your hearts content as the only persons
> who will take issue with it are people like me.
I am doing none of it, but you will complain nonetheless.
Michael Cook
> Again you miss the point.
"No, I think it is a you against yourself thing.
Perhaps you will come out better than before."
Philosophically speaking it most always a
"you against yourself thing" in that regard
your cause is a failed one, Perhaps you will
come out better than before.
"You have threatened me with computer hacking,
DOS, and are problably the one posting my address info."
So, threat and doing are two different things,
and if I did you could never prove it, I'm smarter than you.
Again, you made public your personal info, someone
just reposted that which you already had.
"You are dispicable to the point of criminality,
and yet pose as self-righteous."
Yes, when it comes to misguided dupes like
yourself and chuck I have nary an ounce of scruples
I'm down right evil
"You have no self-control, much like Tex."
I'm not the moron flooding, following, forging,
posting dozens of irrelevant articles, that would be you.
> The SBC suit went off as planed
> but not for the reasons you think.
"As usual, I can't make this out"
Reading comprehension problems?
Or was T.S correct?
"You are saying that you are filing suit against SBC,
but not for whatever you think I think?
(but I have no idea why you would sue SBC, only that
you said you would. What is your cause of action?)"
I'm not going to explain this one again,
I responded further up In the thread .
Michael Cook
"I doubt it at this point. (new meds)
Not that you will ever like my perverted little ass,
but it is mutual, and it is Usenet."
On the contrary I do I like you, just don't like the things you do.
As to the 'This is Usenet, not reality' excuse
I long ago debunked that misguided notion.
"Maybe on a few posts, but my impersonations were on Newsfeeds."
So, who cares?
> but, the SBC TOS is just to appease the public.
"Cover their asses.
It is my opinion that they should not be the police."
Not entirely, but they do have an obligation to both their
customers and the public in general, they have that obligation
because they are a public utility
"Who are they to decide my case, your case.
Too complex, and requires due process, no matter how
painful it is."
I was ready.
> My opinion is that your
> activity
> is both unethical and unreasonable,
"I feel the same about being hacked, DOS, and personal
address info posted."
None of those things were done to you by me
Do you have proof?
"Those things, I could easily get DA's interested in."
Not this song and dance again! Call um up!
"/YOU/ are unethical and unreasonable, not me."
I'm not flooding, forging, faking, following
I said all this before, haven't I?
"Did I do so with the SBC account?"
With their service, yes
" It is over for me, even though you or whoever continues the lowlevel
bullshit. Cute, but not upsetting at all."
That's good to hear
"I absolutely contend that even direct impersonation on the level we are
talking
about is not criminal in any way, as long as it isn't ongoing, and not even
close
to things like hacking and DOS."
Can you prove those things?
> So spam, flood, follow and forge to your hearts content as the only
persons
> who will take issue with it are people like me.
"I am doing none of it, but you will complain nonetheless."
You have toned down somewhat, now just learn to mind
your own P's and Q's and heaven and bliss will once again
reign over Usenet, least our little corner
Colin Will
>
> BEST FRIENDS FOR LIFE
> ----------------------------------------
>
> our 38th wedding anniversay
> today and some are amazed
> we have lasted so long
> naysayers have fallen by the wayside
> but we knew
> it would be forever
> best friends always know
> when it's for life
>
> August 21, 2003
> Marguerite K.A. Petersen
>
>
>
Congratulations Marg. (We're 8 months behind you).
Colin & Jane
pandora
"Colin Will" <colin...@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:mXE1b.2360$L15...@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
Marg
>
t...(x)...m
>
> > The SBC suit went off as planed
> > but not for the reasons you think.
>
> "As usual, I can't make this out"
>
> Reading comprehension problems?
I just couldn't figure out why you were
planing your ISP.
Perhaps they had rough edges, or you
had an extra airplane?
Just your broken English that no one
can ever trust without bringing their own commas.
t...[#]...m
>
>
> "I doubt it at this point. (new meds)
> Not that you will ever like my perverted little ass,
> but it is mutual, and it is Usenet."
>
> On the contrary I do I like you, just don't like the things you do.
> As to the 'This is Usenet, not reality' excuse
> I long ago debunked that misguided notion.
>
> "Maybe on a few posts, but my impersonations were on Newsfeeds."
>
> So, who cares?
Newsfeeds has no policy on impersonation. Period.
I don't think they would do anything without a court order.
SBC probably would, but I don't know. Don't want to test it.
>
> > but, the SBC TOS is just to appease the public.
>
> "Cover their asses.
> It is my opinion that they should not be the police."
>
> Not entirely, but they do have an obligation to both their
> customers and the public in general, they have that obligation
> because they are a public utility
They have an obligation to stay out of government.
>
> "Who are they to decide my case, your case.
> Too complex, and requires due process, no matter how
> painful it is."
>
> I was ready.
Nothing is preventing you.
>
> > My opinion is that your
> > activity
> > is both unethical and unreasonable,
>
> "I feel the same about being hacked, DOS, and personal
> address info posted."
>
> None of those things were done to you by me
> Do you have proof?
You threatened. Your friends saw it.
Of course I have proof.
>
> "Those things, I could easily get DA's interested in."
>
> Not this song and dance again! Call um up!
I will of course, if you continue.
>
> "/YOU/ are unethical and unreasonable, not me."
>
> I'm not flooding, forging, faking, following
> I said all this before, haven't I?
If you carry out your threats, what more?
You seem quite deranged, and far worse off than I am.
>
>
> "Did I do so with the SBC account?"
>
> With their service, yes
Doubtful, but mistake if true. Message-id's?
Press it if you want to beat dead horses.
>
> " It is over for me, even though you or whoever continues the lowlevel
> bullshit. Cute, but not upsetting at all."
>
> That's good to hear
It is good to hear pandora stop harassing people, and go "low profile" (she says).
It is good to hear both texmex and you learn about Usenet.
It is good to hear jr shutup (a little) and be a little valuable.
It will be good to hear people talk about poetry rather
than florida.
>
> "I absolutely contend that even direct impersonation on the level we are
> talking
> about is not criminal in any way, as long as it isn't ongoing, and not even
> close
> to things like hacking and DOS."
>
> Can you prove those things?
That you threatened them, yes.
Even if you cancel the message, they are on my server.
>
> > So spam, flood, follow and forge to your hearts content as the only
> persons
> > who will take issue with it are people like me.
>
> "I am doing none of it, but you will complain nonetheless."
>
> You have toned down somewhat, now just learn to mind
> your own P's and Q's and heaven and bliss will once again
> reign over Usenet, least our little corner
Don't fuck with me like the above paragraph, and you might
get a Tom you like better.
Your call.
I'm only being nice because of the meds. :-)
Michael Cook
"Newsfeeds has no policy on impersonation. Period.
I don't think they would do anything without a court order.
SBC probably would, but I don't know. Don't want to test it."
Why this inane conversation? Who gives a shit
about Newsfeeds or SBC.
> Not entirely, but they do have an obligation to both their
> customers and the public in general, they have that obligation
> because they are a public utility
"They have an obligation to stay out of government."
What the fuck are you talking about?
"Government"?
>
> "Who are they to decide my case, your case.
> Too complex, and requires due process, no matter how
> painful it is."
>
> I was ready.
"Nothing is preventing you."
Do you read? What about my explanation of the matter
did you not understand?
"You threatened. Your friends saw it.
Of course I have proof."
Well, add this one then:
On Tuesday next I will cause
your left ear to spasm uncontrollably
> "Those things, I could easily get DA's interested in."
>
> Not this song and dance again! Call um up!
"I will of course, if you continue."
I am doing my best
> I'm not flooding, forging, faking, following
> I said all this before, haven't I?
If you carry out your threats, what more?
"what more" what?
What on earth are you babbling about?
"You seem quite deranged, and far worse off than I am."
I don't that's possible
"Doubtful, but mistake if true. Message-id's?
Press it if you want to beat dead horses."
What are you talking about?
Your lack of comprehension is astounding
"It is good to hear pandora stop harassing people, and go "low profile" (she
says).
It is good to hear both texmex and you learn about Usenet.
It is good to hear jr shutup (a little) and be a little valuable.
It will be good to hear people talk about poetry rather
than florida."
"poetry rather than florida."
Or Tom
It is you that followers pandora from post to post
Look at the last three of hers.
"learn about Usenet" you should be paying me for these conversations
Mr. Lost log files, don't know what DoS is, shareware stealing staggering
idiot.
> Can you prove those things?
"That you threatened them, yes."
Well, add this one then:
On Friday next I will cause
your right ear to spasm uncontrollably
"Even if you cancel the message, they are on my server."
Ok
"Don't fuck with me like the above paragraph, and you might
get a Tom you like better."
Your call.
Ok, I'll make that call
and get help for your drug problem!
pandora
> "It is good to hear pandora stop harassing people, and go "low profile"
I've never harassed anyone. Your following me around from post to post
could be construed to be harassment however. It's also good to see that
you're finally admitting to your obsessions.
[snip]
> It is good to hear both texmex and you learn about Usenet.
They already know way more than you'll ever learn in your lifetime.
> It is good to hear jr shutup (a little) and be a little valuable.
He's far more valuable (and always has been) than you'll ever be. You see,
an idiot can aspire to be a prince but he has to be attractive in some way;
you're not.
> It will be good to hear people talk about poetry rather
> than florida."
You've never talked about poetry, ever, only your generator and your desire
to steal the poetry of others. People called you on that and you've been
hissyfitting ever since.
pandora
Peter J Ross
rec.arts.poems removed the following benign growth from pandora:
>news:vkeosnh...@news.supernews.com...
>> "It is good to hear pandora stop harassing people, and go "low profile"
>
>I've never harassed anyone. Your following me around from post to post
>could be construed to be harassment however.
He follows me around even more than he follows you, but luckily for
him I just laugh and think about how hard he's been trolled.
>It's also good to see that
>you're finally admitting to your obsessions.
>
>[snip]
>
>> It is good to hear both texmex and you learn about Usenet.
>
>They already know way more than you'll ever learn in your lifetime.
>
>> It is good to hear jr shutup (a little) and be a little valuable.
>
>He's far more valuable (and always has been) than you'll ever be. You see,
>an idiot can aspire to be a prince but he has to be attractive in some way;
>you're not.
>
>> It will be good to hear people talk about poetry rather
>> than florida."
>
>You've never talked about poetry, ever, only your generator and your desire
>to steal the poetry of others. People called you on that and you've been
>hissyfitting ever since.
Yes, you were there as a witness.
Btw, are you part of this "everyone", who according to Tommy thinks I
should leave RAP? ;-)
--
PJR:-)
American way
Threatened by us
Drag a few creeps
Away in a bus
- Frank Zappa, predicting the Dubya years
Renay St. James
"Peter J Ross" <p...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:lv6gkvga474tdvbg5...@4ax.com...
> Btw, are you part of this "everyone", who according to Tommy thinks I
> should leave RAP? ;-)
****don't you DARE! don't even *think* about it!
Renay
(my opinion carries twice the weight cuz I'm apparently also Robert)
pandora
> Btw, are you part of this "everyone", who according to Tommy thinks I
> should leave RAP? ;-)
Not and I suggest that the only ones who would wish for you to leave are
Tommy and his sock puppets. If there is anyone else, I'd certainly
appreciate them standing up and saying so.
pandora
Michael Cook
"Peter J Ross" wrote in message
> Btw, are you part of this "everyone", who according to Tommy thinks I
> should leave RAP? ;-)
"Tommy thinks "!
If I may
As this thread proves;
he does not, he only talks.
E Selow
> Btw, are you part of this "everyone", who according to Tommy thinks
I should leave RAP? ;-)
Well your wink ;-) indicates you don't mean this question seriously but
since there's a grain of truth in every joke let me protest through my 600
watt loudspeakers: STAYYYY!!!
Elvira
t-$0$-m
And you only lose accounts over it?
John Harrison
What a rare ray of civility and humanity you are .
Best wishes ,
John Harrison
"pandora" <pan...@peak.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
pandora
"John Harrison" <Harris...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> Congratulations Marg !
Thank you!
> What a rare ray of civility and humanity you are .
>
And thank you again.
> Best wishes ,
>
And the same to you.
Marg
T_____(_)_____M
>
>
> "John Harrison" <Harris...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:bibbv1$478$06$1...@news.t-online.com...
> > Congratulations Marg !
>
> Thank you!
>
> > What a rare ray of civility and humanity you are .
> >
> And thank you again.
Is that your first compliment?
Perhaps you could frame it?
Michael Cook
"T_____(_)_____M" <Stal...@Freak.com> wrote in message
> Is that your first compliment?
>
> Perhaps you could frame it?
>
still a low-life
still can't stay away
T.< >.M
It was an honest question, mikey.
John Harrison
remember well how distraught I was that I'd posted a poem with a typing
error! You were so helpful. Such small acts of kindness are often indelible
.
Thank you again Marg .
You have doubtless helped many people before me and will hopefully continue
to do the same for many years yet .
Party time in two years ?
John Harrison
"pandora" <pan...@peak.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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pandora
> Just a small acknowledgement for helping me when I first posted here. I
> remember well how distraught I was that I'd posted a poem with a typing
> error! You were so helpful. Such small acts of kindness are often
indelible
> .
>
> Thank you again Marg .
>
> You have doubtless helped many people before me and will hopefully
continue
> to do the same for many years yet .
>
been very helpful though.
> Party time in two years ?
>
:-) Absolutely! I'm saving up even now for a trip to Europe.
> John Harrison
>
Marg
John Harrison
Is that your first compliment?
"It was a simple statement of fact. It wasn't a compliment . "
It was an honest question, mikey.
"Rhetoric desperately seeks answer"
An honest question always demands an honest answer.
t.(*).m
>
>
> I certainly hope to be around for a very long time. I don't know that I've
> been very helpful though.
True.
t--(x)--m
>
> Just a small acknowledgement for helping me when I first posted here. I
> remember well how distraught I was that I'd posted a poem with a typing
> error! You were so helpful. Such small acts of kindness are often indelible
> .
When she is confronted with people more intelligent than she is
she turns into a very loud-mouthed, obnoxious person.
T_____[#]_____M
>
>
> An honest question always demands an honest answer.
Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread.
Peter J Ross
rec.arts.poems removed the following benign growth from Renay St.
James:
Sooner or later I'll be taking a break from Usenet in order to try to
write a novel, but I'll always come back.
Once Tommy's campaign for this month's kook awards is over, I'll
probably nominate him for the Golden Killfile and then return to
talking about poetry mostly.
Incidentally, the official list of kook-award winners is here:
<http://www.petitmorte.net/phoenix/whiners.html>
There are many mirrors of the list, but this version tends to be up to
date. Those of you who in the past have enjoyed the idiots who
crossposted from soc.men might like to notice how many awards they've
picked up this year. Tommy and chuckles could achieve such recognition
too!
--
PJR :-)
mhm34x8
Alcatroll Labs Inc. (Executive Vice-President)
t....[ ]....m
>
> then return to
> talking about poetry mostly.
Yes!
That would be quite nice!
Lucy B T______{@}______M
>
> > Peter J Ross said:
> >
> > then return to
> > talking about poetry mostly.
>
>
> Yes!
>
> That would be quite nice!
I second!
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