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Will Dockery
Oct 28, 2018, 6:02:26 PM10/28/18
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"George J. Dance" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:52:09 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> I'll want to rework "Karma Bombs" slightly, give it some of the current
> era gloss, you know, my improving line break finesse.
>
Sure. To get back to the duplication with "Earlier Poems" (which I now think
we should postpone anyway), in that book or other collected poems efforts it
would make sense to substitute the "Selected Poems" versions.
> Interestingly, the place I wrote "Karma Bombs" on a napkin in 1998, the
> upstairs area of Deorio's Restaurant, is long gone, I noticed as I walked
> by there last week... after probably 70 years in business, everyone's
> favorite Italian Restaurant is defunct.
>
> I took photos of the gloom with my mobile gizmo, I'll post a link to them
> here later, probably under a new "Karma Bombs" (Revised) thread.
>
>> 😀
>
> Cool history. I guess we need a preface or introduction - and I don't
> think I'm the guy to write it. We need someone who's known you personally
> for some time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder if Stephan Pickering would allow an edited version of one of the
first writings of his I read, circa 1974?
In The Dark Chambers
"The Poet is the gate-keeper to the mind's paradises
> and hells. As it is said, "The King Hath brought me
> into his chambers." [Song of Songs 1:4] The CHAMBERS
> said the Mystics were the secrets of creation, and
> speak of "dark chamber". In Aramic, the language of
> the Talmud and of the Zohar [the vast text of
> Mysticism, first published in 1190]."
>
> "Poet is a gateway, not a prophet; he shows us what is
> in his Soul, not directly, into our own Souls. Her
> songs are messages to herself, and we are allowed to
> listen to this mythpoeic self-dialogue, this gateway
> to her Soul's dialogue with the divine. The seeds of
> contemplation yield these poems and by listening with
> ears pointed to the past--- to the time of the Temple
> of Jerusalem, to the exile in Europe who believed that
> there is a door to Heaven that only be unlocked by the
> singing of a song: a NIGGUNIM, a song filled with the
> awareness of the All]--- we remind ourselves of the
> insecurities of ideology."
>
> "Sing unto Him, sing praises unto Him, Speak ye of His
> marvellous works." I Chronicles 16:9]
>
> -S. Pickering, 1973 [Kabbalah study, adapted by WAD 1983]
>
> =====
> visit my website, updated
> often:http://www.angelfire.com/al2/willdockerypoems/index.html
Some of my musings on the writings of Stephan Pickering, circa 1983.
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On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:52:09 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> I'll want to rework "Karma Bombs" slightly, give it some of the current
> era gloss, you know, my improving line break finesse.
>
Sure. To get back to the duplication with "Earlier Poems" (which I now think
we should postpone anyway), in that book or other collected poems efforts it
would make sense to substitute the "Selected Poems" versions.
> Interestingly, the place I wrote "Karma Bombs" on a napkin in 1998, the
> upstairs area of Deorio's Restaurant, is long gone, I noticed as I walked
> by there last week... after probably 70 years in business, everyone's
> favorite Italian Restaurant is defunct.
>
> I took photos of the gloom with my mobile gizmo, I'll post a link to them
> here later, probably under a new "Karma Bombs" (Revised) thread.
>
>> 😀
>
> Cool history. I guess we need a preface or introduction - and I don't
> think I'm the guy to write it. We need someone who's known you personally
> for some time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder if Stephan Pickering would allow an edited version of one of the
first writings of his I read, circa 1974?
In The Dark Chambers
"The Poet is the gate-keeper to the mind's paradises
> and hells. As it is said, "The King Hath brought me
> into his chambers." [Song of Songs 1:4] The CHAMBERS
> said the Mystics were the secrets of creation, and
> speak of "dark chamber". In Aramic, the language of
> the Talmud and of the Zohar [the vast text of
> Mysticism, first published in 1190]."
>
> "Poet is a gateway, not a prophet; he shows us what is
> in his Soul, not directly, into our own Souls. Her
> songs are messages to herself, and we are allowed to
> listen to this mythpoeic self-dialogue, this gateway
> to her Soul's dialogue with the divine. The seeds of
> contemplation yield these poems and by listening with
> ears pointed to the past--- to the time of the Temple
> of Jerusalem, to the exile in Europe who believed that
> there is a door to Heaven that only be unlocked by the
> singing of a song: a NIGGUNIM, a song filled with the
> awareness of the All]--- we remind ourselves of the
> insecurities of ideology."
>
> "Sing unto Him, sing praises unto Him, Speak ye of His
> marvellous works." I Chronicles 16:9]
>
> -S. Pickering, 1973 [Kabbalah study, adapted by WAD 1983]
>
> =====
> visit my website, updated
> often:http://www.angelfire.com/al2/willdockerypoems/index.html
Some of my musings on the writings of Stephan Pickering, circa 1983.
Will Dockery
Oct 29, 2018, 7:22:21 AM10/29/18
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"George J. Dance" wrote in message
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> Sure. To get back to the duplication with "Earlier Poems" (which I now
> think we should postpone anyway), in that book or other collected poems
> efforts it would make sense to substitute the "Selected Poems" versions.
Postpone the early poems nook for what, a year or so?
> think we should postpone anyway), in that book or other collected poems
> efforts it would make sense to substitute the "Selected Poems" versions.
Longer?
Will Dockery
Oct 29, 2018, 2:57:18 PM10/29/18
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Olga wrote in message
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> понедельник, 16 октября 2017 г., 14:55:30 UTC+3 пользователь Will Dockery
> написал:
>
> > To the Sea Angel
>
> Riptide waves,
> there goes the sea angel,
> right above the waves.
>
> These mystery years,
> where would I be without them?
> What if I'd stayed happy?
>
> Years lost,
> these last few I've played catch up,
> drifting from the shore.
>
> Barnacles on an olive shell,
> brain choral in my mind.
>
> Instrumental tune,
> made by the incoming waves.
>
> I tossed a starfish back in,
> watched it twirl away,
> and thought of you.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> ==============================================================
>
> http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/21xok23h/sunday-sampler-10-15-17-topic-by-richard-missed-opportunities
>
> George Dance about 20 hours ago wrote:
>
> Post by Will Dockery
> Sunday Sampler...10/15/17...topic by Richard...'missed opportunities'
>
> > On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 11:06:38 PM UTC-4, drive-by wrote:
> > >
> > > Sunday Sampler...10/15/17...topic by Richard...'missed opportunities'
> >
> > To the Sea Angel
> >
>
> A very good poem. Like most of your work, it reads as a collection of
> stream-of-consciousness thoughts, some images, some pure abstraction; the
> best way to judge it is by how well those all fit together.
>
> > Riptide waves,
> > there goes the sea angel,
> > right above the waves.
>
> I like 'sea angel' - how it's about a woman (but really about your
> idealized view of her, leaving you. The line makes me think of the
> Drifters ("There Goes my Baby") and Coventry Patmore ("An Angel in the
> House").
>
> And I like how that thought is surrounded by "waves".
>
> > These mystery years,
> > where would I be without them?
> > What if I'd stayed happy?
>
> Pure abstract thought, but why not. The last line is nicely ambiguous; it
> could mean, "If we'd stayed together, I'd be happy" or, "If I'd only
> stayed happy, we'd still be together"
>
> > Years lost,
> > these last few I've played catch up,
> > drifting from the shore.
>
> More abstraction, but at the end you build in a metaphor; a common image,
> but not overused to the point of cliche.
>
> >
> > Barnacles on an olive shell,
> > brain choral in my mind.
>
> At first glance this looked like a misspelling of 'brain coral', but -
> principle of charity - I've got to look at it as a pun. I'd interpret
> "Brain choral" as all the musical fixation cluttering up your mind, the
> same way the barnacles encrust all over the shell (with the idea that it's
> your musical obsession that caused her to leave - you couldn't just forget
> all that and "stay happy" just to be with her).
> >
> > Instrumental tune,
> > made by the incoming waves.
>
> A bit more of the same musical fixation, and the waves again. It's nice
> how they keep lapping in.
>
> >
> > I tossed a starfish back in,
> > watched it twirl away,
> > and thought of you.
>
> This is excellent: you save the starfish's life, and all it does is leave
> you; a great integration of your thoughts and reality.
>
> >
> > -Will Dockery
>
> On first read, I thought (given the theme) that this belonged in
> "Winterworld Descending" - but it stands up just fine as its own work. I
> would like to blog it, though it wouldn't fit until next summer sometime.
>
> =========================================================
>
> You got it, George, I'd dig that...
>
> Put it in your queue for next Summer, although you /could/ include it as a
> Winter piece...
>
> As in "Wintering in Florida"... remember, Florida (Gulf of Mexico) is only
> a two-three hour drive from here.
>
> Something to consider.
>
>> :)
>
> I thank Willie for the beautiful poem!!!
Thank you, Olga...
:)
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> понедельник, 16 октября 2017 г., 14:55:30 UTC+3 пользователь Will Dockery
> написал:
>
> > To the Sea Angel
>
> Riptide waves,
> there goes the sea angel,
> right above the waves.
>
> These mystery years,
> where would I be without them?
> What if I'd stayed happy?
>
> Years lost,
> these last few I've played catch up,
> drifting from the shore.
>
> Barnacles on an olive shell,
> brain choral in my mind.
>
> Instrumental tune,
> made by the incoming waves.
>
> I tossed a starfish back in,
> watched it twirl away,
> and thought of you.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> ==============================================================
>
> http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/21xok23h/sunday-sampler-10-15-17-topic-by-richard-missed-opportunities
>
> George Dance about 20 hours ago wrote:
>
> Post by Will Dockery
> Sunday Sampler...10/15/17...topic by Richard...'missed opportunities'
>
> > On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 11:06:38 PM UTC-4, drive-by wrote:
> > >
> > > Sunday Sampler...10/15/17...topic by Richard...'missed opportunities'
> >
> > To the Sea Angel
> >
>
> A very good poem. Like most of your work, it reads as a collection of
> stream-of-consciousness thoughts, some images, some pure abstraction; the
> best way to judge it is by how well those all fit together.
>
> > Riptide waves,
> > there goes the sea angel,
> > right above the waves.
>
> I like 'sea angel' - how it's about a woman (but really about your
> idealized view of her, leaving you. The line makes me think of the
> Drifters ("There Goes my Baby") and Coventry Patmore ("An Angel in the
> House").
>
> And I like how that thought is surrounded by "waves".
>
> > These mystery years,
> > where would I be without them?
> > What if I'd stayed happy?
>
> Pure abstract thought, but why not. The last line is nicely ambiguous; it
> could mean, "If we'd stayed together, I'd be happy" or, "If I'd only
> stayed happy, we'd still be together"
>
> > Years lost,
> > these last few I've played catch up,
> > drifting from the shore.
>
> More abstraction, but at the end you build in a metaphor; a common image,
> but not overused to the point of cliche.
>
> >
> > Barnacles on an olive shell,
> > brain choral in my mind.
>
> At first glance this looked like a misspelling of 'brain coral', but -
> principle of charity - I've got to look at it as a pun. I'd interpret
> "Brain choral" as all the musical fixation cluttering up your mind, the
> same way the barnacles encrust all over the shell (with the idea that it's
> your musical obsession that caused her to leave - you couldn't just forget
> all that and "stay happy" just to be with her).
> >
> > Instrumental tune,
> > made by the incoming waves.
>
> A bit more of the same musical fixation, and the waves again. It's nice
> how they keep lapping in.
>
> >
> > I tossed a starfish back in,
> > watched it twirl away,
> > and thought of you.
>
> This is excellent: you save the starfish's life, and all it does is leave
> you; a great integration of your thoughts and reality.
>
> >
> > -Will Dockery
>
> On first read, I thought (given the theme) that this belonged in
> "Winterworld Descending" - but it stands up just fine as its own work. I
> would like to blog it, though it wouldn't fit until next summer sometime.
>
> =========================================================
>
> You got it, George, I'd dig that...
>
> Put it in your queue for next Summer, although you /could/ include it as a
> Winter piece...
>
> As in "Wintering in Florida"... remember, Florida (Gulf of Mexico) is only
> a two-three hour drive from here.
>
> Something to consider.
>
>> :)
>
> I thank Willie for the beautiful poem!!!
Thank you, Olga...
:)
Will Dockery
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