'nother spring ku /kimh
Kim Hodges
a warm day --
the patio pots
full of sprouts
- kim
Sheila_Herndon
>Kim Hodges <kho...@jps.net> wrote:
>
>: a warm day --
>: the patio pots
>: full of sprouts
>
>: - kim
>
> heedless of the morning frost
> and race the wind
>
> ets
I saw this 2
twice:
running child : standing child
(oh! this comment is not a part of the haiku but about haiku in general,
I have never seen :: haiku before have I? I think maybe I got syntax of
haiku wrong.
I think maybe it goes
<"cut" maker>
<"and" marker>
and I am not differentiationg somehow between the ":"'s. but I am
not sure. can someone help me with that?)
sh
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Kim Hodges
>
> In article <98549435...@irys.nyx.net>, E Sage <es...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >Kim Hodges <kho...@jps.net> wrote:
> >
> >: a warm day --
> >: the patio pots
> >: full of sprouts
> >
> >: - kim
> >
> > children toss their coats
> > heedless of the morning frost
> > and race the wind
> >
> > ets
>
> I saw this 2
> twice:
> running child : standing child
>
> (oh! this comment is not a part of the haiku but about haiku in general,
> I have never seen :: haiku before have I? I think maybe I got syntax of
> haiku wrong.
> I think maybe it goes
> <"cut" maker>
> <"and" marker>
> and I am not differentiationg somehow between the ":"'s. but I am
> not sure. can someone help me with that?)
>
> sh
I think you are being too complex for haiku. The idea is to be very
simple. Let the haiku present a feeling or sensation. Use
punctuation in an ordinary way to convey your meaning. It's
hard to understand what you mean above, and haiku should
be very clear. Do you mean you saw two children? Or you saw
the same two children twice? And then you will usually wish to place
your observation against some background -- commonly something
seasonal -- that reflects the action in a universal or general
way.
Maybe something like:
Two children
running past me again --
spring morning.
It's a nice observation, because the liveliness of the children picks
up the idea of the awakening of life in spring. We feel their energy.
(You may be interested in David Coomler's forum called Hokku-Inn,
where
he discusses basic concepts of haiku, use of punctuation, breaks,
etc. It is
on yahoogroups. http://www.yahoogroups.com. Search for hokku-inn.)
- Kim
Kim Hodges
- kim
children toss their coats
heedless of the morning frost
and race the wind
ets
early spring --
some in short sleeves
some in coats
kim
Sheila_Herndon
[ ... kim ku ... ]
[ .... ets ku ...]
my ku:
>> I saw this 2
>> twice:
>> running child : standing child
my reaction:
>> (oh! this comment is not a part of the haiku but about haiku in general,
>> I have never seen :: haiku before have I? I think maybe I got syntax of
>> haiku wrong.
>> I think maybe it goes
>> <"cut" maker>
>> <"and" marker>
>> and I am not differentiationg somehow between the ":"'s. but I am
>> not sure. can someone help me with that?)
>>
>> sh
>
my memory of thing:
today, I had to clean the mirror.
I have not cleaned the mirror in a long time.
when not cleaning hte mirror, work and play get too mixed up and I cannot
do either.
bad.
so anyway
I do this
and start to get back in balance
scientist/mathematician
logician/experimentalist
i m ean oops, theoretician.
so anyway
you are not knowing me.
hello, allow me to introduce myself.
once I wrote a treastice on haiku. you have not read?
it is trying to understand them.
it is the set of all things observable and reflected opon in some way.
so anyway
kana or however it is spelled in Japanese? forgot. cutting word.
that goes in there in order to be syntax marker.
I am not sure about and marker. oh, I got it. I was confused.
and marker is only syntax marker required for haiku.
one . other
to bad other is not spelled with three letters.
oh. my mistake. pardon me.
one.one
that is perfect haiku for me now.
it is wrong! oops. my mistake.
allow me.
to try again.
so anyway: children. about children.
let me tell you. I got outside. was warned of snow. looks like spring.
but doorway feels cold. go back up to get winter coat. taking out
trash (this is cleaning of mirror)
then ... put away trash. in corner of eye, children playing.
is okay to say in corner of eye or should I say
in peripheral vision?
to me, both beautiful.
do not understand why some see one as more complex than other. this
confuses me. explain? help?
anyway,
I make many mistakes.
type # instead * sometimes.
type 2 instead of too sometimes.
this is just how I am.
oh oh oh. I was assuming that is just how I am. oops. that is just how
I have observed myself to be. I have theories.
anyway.
see your ku.
see other ku.
remember: in walking back from putting away trash.
child suddenly: "We have squirt bottles!" to me.
oh, look up: "Ok!"
children have squirt bottles. two children. many squirt bottles. full
of colorful neon liquid.
so then
I continue to clean house.
and in carrying things back and forth to garbage do not need winter coat,
but have to observe myself to figure this out. getting too hot, becuase
carrying things.
on one trip, see children again, I am curious about whether their
bottles always squirt, or can they mist to? I am shy but I build up
courage as valient warrior would to be able to talk tot hese children.
I ask, "May I see?"
Child agrees.
I get to look at it, I try,
right away child says, "no not that way. shake it."
oh! cool. child is genius.
I shake it. then squirt.
then ask, "nozzle?"
(now remembering: favorite poem by Li Qing Zhoa. the one with:
the thinning red the thickening green)
so anyway
child explains. not as I suspected. does not behave in fashion I
anticipated. interesting.
would love to stay and chat, but must continue to clean house. good bye
child.
go to clean house.
another trip to carry out garbage (having much garbage becuase someone
moved out)
on way back, see that child who spoke, running along sidewalk.
is squirting bottle. run and play at the same time. by the time I cross
the side walk, our paths do not meet.
in collision of bodies that is. paths cross instead.
how furtunate becuase I hate running into people.
so anyway...that's what my haiku was about. two times I saw boy. with
colors. with water. with question and answer period. with deciding to
go back cleaning. with deciding to observe play. with deciding to look
out window later. seeing flowers growing on sidewalk.
ssssshhhhhhhhh! don't tell, but those aren't flowers. those are additional
play things: noticed children: have colors, have templates, made patterns
with ink on concrete.
flowers growing on sidewalk: invokes memories of: cracks in sidewalks with
weeds.
this is so different from that, it amuses me and makes me laugh.
flowers growing on sidewalk here, it is more like bright flowers and
someone dropped them on the ground.
except in this case, painted.
because of this, I looked out many windows today.
one, not even pointing in the right direction. children window? pointing
north. other window? pointing west.
I have no east window.
you think I am being metaphorical but I am not. I am talking about
my apartment. sheesh.
oh yeah! buddy! same to you! :p
(I love pretending to argue with myself.)
>I think you are being too complex for haiku. The idea is to be very
I have an idea. if this happens again, then bifurcate the set.
I mean, do like you did and launch a new thread with your own ku in
place of mine, but allow my thread to exist for someone who looks at it
and says something else
> Two children
> running past me again --
> spring morning.
pardon me but <expletive> no. this was not it at all.
are you crazy? sure, I thought it was spring when I saw this, but then
later I had to go outside to get lunch and then it was snow flaking every
now and then and I had to wear a winter jacket.
you are confused about me.
it was not snowing becuase snowing would mean more snow. snow flaking
means every now and then, I would see a tiny tiny particle of snow.
it reminded mof that short story "The Rocking Horse Winner"
i am a loser and so in being that, I am so cool.
>(You may be interested in David Coomler's forum called Hokku-Inn,
>where
>he discusses basic concepts of haiku, use of punctuation, breaks,
>etc. It is
>on yahoogroups. http://www.yahoogroups.com. Search for hokku-inn.)
okiedokay. I will.
You may be interested in:
The Essential Haiku: versions of basho, buson, & issa edited by Robert Hass
as well
A book I got on Chiyo-ni. forget details. wish to warn you of this book:
has some lovely words. but who is writing the words? she knows about haiku
but is wishing to tell you too much of what she knows rather than guiding
enough. or is that just me? not sure.
so anyway
also, read many different translations of Li Quing Zhoa - I cannot remember
how to spell her name. sorry about that. T'zu or T'su? Classical Chinese
poetry.
....um....anything else?
no body better call what I am writing here a poem. it is a conversation.
sheesh, you people are silly. :p
oh yeah, forgot, read Robert Hass himself. only some of his. not all. some
of his are very much like haiku.
who else? sometimes Wallace Stevens but not a lot of the time.
sometimes ee but not sure about that will have to get back to you.
emily dickenson - is so cool - but is opposite of haiku in a way. no not
really - a bird came down the walk. knock out irrelevent information and
then it is a haiku. what does that mean?
also, she talks about a frog. and then says:
I'm nobody. are you nobody too?
that! that! is a haiku. cool! spiffy.
frog croaks
I'm nobody?
how about you buddy.
hehehehe. I like it. and I did not even see that frog. oh......this is
reminding me of a frog I watched once, walking along riverwalk. at night.
was suprised I noticed. noticed motion. observed frog. was suprised to
see it up so high and far away from water. walked closer to observe.
noticed: frog reacted in fear. jumped down below. seemed undamaged. oops.
today: having fun walking on river walk. sneak up on duck feeding. freak
him out totally! hahahaha. he flaps/swims away for a while.
the other day: having fun walking on river walk. notice ducks. learn how
to walk around them without causing fear.
Elvira Selow
less than 17 syllables?
Thanks - Elvira
"Sheila_Herndon":
ZPhysics
whoa color explosion
from ugly bulbs hiding
under elephant poop
/z.
Sheila_Herndon
Elvira Selow <sis...@t-online.de> wrote:
>This looks interesting. Can anyone please read it for me and sum it up in
>less than 17 syllables?
in a way....
I do not need to save information
so: no!
Dennis Lewis
>
> This looks interesting. Can anyone please read it for me and sum it up in
> less than 17 syllables?
>
> Thanks - Elvira
>
haiku
Sheila smothers it
with words
You're welcome,
Dennis
ZPhysics
>
> haiku
> Sheila smothers it
> with words
>
>You're welcome,
>
>Dennis
That's a senyru, Grasshopper ;-)
Haiku -- nature and seasons
Senyru -- people
/z.
Sheila_Herndon
Which do I write? I think I can postulate a new
form of haiku senyru styles which is combinations and still fun to do.
Here are some that I wrote just for fun:
*
3:15
a blanket red on one side
green on another -
realization: same as Kandinksy
*
3:18
I saw Chaos/Control in movie -
that it was a play about graph theory -
amuses me
anyway, on, again, to the speculation:
Haiku - nature, seasons
Senyru - people
What are the poems called wich apply the same principles of Haiku but
which are in different combinations of these? They must exist. So I am
curious about them.
Goddess
"E Sage" <es...@nyx.net> wrote in message
news:98555884...@irys.nyx.net...
> ZPhysics <zphy...@aol.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> a warm day --
> lazy clouds in balmy skies
> snow threatens
>
> ets
From: "Goddess" <god...@peak.org>
Subject: Sudden Haiku
Date: Sunday, March 11, 2001 9:01 PM
one single crocus
standing in a sea of grass
purple against green
Marg
Dennis Lewis
Thank you Master.
Dennis
a humble student
Joy Yourcenar
wrote:
a purple crocus
covered with snow barely shows
against the spring mud
Joy Yourcenar
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Kim Hodges
a warm day --
the patio pots
full of sprouts
- kim
children toss their coats
heedless of the morning frost
and race the wind
ets
early spring --
some in short sleeves
some in coats
kim
whoa color explosion
from ugly bulbs hiding
under elephant poop
/z.
radiant sun
lazy clouds in balmy skies
snow threatens
ets
standing in a sea of grass
purple against green
Marg
a purple crocus
covered with snow barely shows
against the spring mud
Joy Yourcenar
first spring day --
a yellow fire hydrant
among the dandelions
kim
ZPhysics
>:> a warm day --
>:> the patio pots
>:> full of sprouts
>:>
>:> - kim
>:>
>:> children toss their coats
>:> heedless of the morning frost
>:> and race the wind
>:>
>:> ets
>:>
>:> early spring --
>:> some in short sleeves
>:> some in coats
>:>
>:> kim
>
>: whoa color explosion
>: from ugly bulbs hiding
>: under elephant poop
>
>: /z.
>
> radiant sun
> lazy clouds in balmy skies
> snow threatens
>
> ets
>
first snow peas
shiitake and spring greens
no more cold stone soup
/z.
shamima khan
> /z.
packets of seeds
on the kitchen table
light fills the back yard
--
Shamima
"The act of love, just as with a painting or a poem, is discredited if he
who surrenders to it does not do so in a trance." (Andre Breton)
Wagner Mitchell Family
- kim
ets
kim
/z.
ets
Shamima
children's art and games on walks
water songs
winter releasing her grip
- Bernadette L. Wagner
Kim Hodges
a warm day --
the patio pots
full of sprouts
- kim
children toss their coats
heedless of the morning frost
and race the wind
ets
early spring --
some in short sleeves
some in coats
kim
whoa color explosion
from ugly bulbs hiding
under elephant poop
/z.
radiant sun
lazy clouds in balmy skies
snow threatens
ets
one single crocus
standing in a sea of grass
purple against green
Marg
a purple crocus
covered with snow barely shows
against the spring mud
Joy Yourcenar
first spring day --
a yellow fire hydrant
among the dandelions
kim
first snow peas
shiitake and spring greens
no more cold stone soup
/z.
packets of seeds
on the kitchen table
light fills the back yard
Shamima
children's art and games on walks
water songs
winter releasing her grip
- Bernadette L. Wagner
splashing through
the parking-lot puddles --
spring afternoon
- kim
david...@yahoo.com
E Sage wrote:
> ZPhysics <zphy...@aol.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> a warm day --
> radiant sun
> lazy clouds in balmy skies
> snow threatens
>
> ets
is that the baby waking
or the cherry bush
on the balcony
Zita Evensen
Nice collection of spring haikus, if I may say so.
Keep it going ;-)
/z.
E Sage wrote:
> March rain, March wind
> dead branches litter the yard
> winter in retrospect
>
> ets
Kim Hodges
>
> Kim and Evan,
>
> Nice collection of spring haikus, if I may say so.
> Keep it going ;-)
>
> /z.
Thanks Zita. And good ones from you, too!.
I particularly got a chuckle out of the
'elephant poop'!
- Kim
E Selow
Neckar reflecting
bikers and magnolias --
spring in Heidelberg!
es
Goddess
> E Selow <sis...@t-online.de> wrote:
> :> a warm day --
> you can hear the birds singing
> when the furnace stops
>
> ets
sunshine and cold wind
flowering forsythia
color brings warmth
Marg
Zita Maria Evensen
E Sage (es...@nyx.net) writes:
> E Selow <sis...@t-online.de> wrote:
> :> a warm day --
> you can hear the birds singing
> when the furnace stops
>
> ets
flowers in the warm
say: come pollinate
kerchoo!
/z.
--
i will go through it like the saxifrage flower that splits the rocks.
-- anonymous