Google's archives - Wired reports
Karla
Usenet archive:
George Dance
Thanks for posting the link, Karla. It helped me remember and answer a
question you asked me a couple of months ago, which I’d forgotten.
<quote>
From: Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net>
Newsgroups:
alt.arts.poetry,alt.poetry,alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: The Workers do not Dream
Message-ID: <ltlf85lfcaetq7lcl...@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:04:25 -0700
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:01:08 -0700 (PDT), George Dance
<georgedanc...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>On Aug 12, 1:48 pm, Karla <karl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday, Google Groups searching was terrible - I was looking for
>> the history of "The Workers Do Not Dream", searching for the old
>> thread, "Let's write a poem", using key words from the poem posted
>> here. The earlier thread by Mark didn't pop up as a search result when
>> I searched "workers do not dream" as a phrase in aapc as a group. When
>> I tried rap, it popped up immediately, which makes no sense since it
>> appears to be posted to aapc first. Google Groups archiving is a mess.
>Not the archiving; the search engines. The "Search this Group" feature
>for AAPC has been particularly unreliable lately. I've been getting
>better results using "Search All Groups" instead and adding
>"group:alt.arts.poetry.comments" to the spec, as if that makes any
>sense.
Oh, is that it? Where did you read that? I didn't know they'd
commented on the
problem. </q>
As far as I knew then, no one had commented; I was just giving my own
experience. But finally I can report that google has commented, and
confirmed my observations:
<quote>
“It turns out there was a bug, a specific bug, that affected search
within a specific group,” Google spokeswoman Victoria Katsarou told
wired.com late Wednesday. “That bug is something we’re working on
fixing, and I think that will be fixed by tomorrow. Thanks for writing
this, because that’s how we discovered this specific bug.” [...]
Searching or browsing a range of dates is still broken, but the
company says it has begun working in earnest on making Google Groups
usable again. “We’re aware of the larger issues with Groups search,
and we’ll continue to work on improving the product,” said spokesman
Jason Freidenfelds, in a follow-up e-mail. </q>
Kevin Poulsen, “Google Begins Fixing Usenet Archive,” WIRED, October
8, 2009 .
<http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/usenet_fix/>
Will Dockery
Yes, that's some good news.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
the messenjah
> On Oct 22, 12:24 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 11:52 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > Looks like Google is going to do something about the mess in the
> > > Usenet archive:
>
> > >http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/usenet
>
> > Thanks for posting the link, Karla. It helped me remember and answer a
> > question you asked me a couple of months ago, which I’d forgotten.
>
> > <quote>
> > From: Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net>
> > Newsgroups:
> > alt.arts.poetry,alt.poetry,alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems
> > Subject: Re: The Workers do not Dream
It would be nice if Google could filter out the usenet nonsense from
its search engine... One can create any subject on usenet and Google
will treat it as factual and have it listed in its web search. It's
sad day here in northeast Florida... They found Somer...
http://skywriter.diaryland.com
>
> --
> "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery- Hide quoted text -
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George Dance
wrote:
LOL! And who decides which posts are "nonsense" and which are not? Did
you imagine a bot being able to do it?
George Dance
Thanks for the example, MP. Posts that don't add any text are almost
always nonsense, and they're one form of nonsense that could be
automatically removed by bot. But that would still leave a lot of
nonsense on the group. It wouldn't even eliminate new posts of that
kind, as those who write them could evade the bot by writing one or
two letters of new text.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:a4e1df38-3b0d-4012...@b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
> nonsense from
> northeast Florida
> http://skywriter.diaryland.com
Admission noted, kook.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"The point punk, is that abusers like you will soon be removed
completely from the internet and placed in custody for your criminal
activities." - Wollmann fucks up yet another prediction.
"The Great One"
"George Dance" <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:8a32be83-7e9f-4225...@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hey, George, how you been gettin' along.......haven't chatted with you for a while.
Still kickin' PJR's ass in 'rec.arts.poems' ??
Keep up the Good Work.
--
HJ
Peter J Ross
messenjah <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote:
> nonsense
> http://skywriter.diaryland.com
--
PJR :-)
Michael Cook
"the messenjah" <theguyonso...@veryfast.biz> wrote in message
who cares snip
you back numb-nuts?
Time to work on your website again
mdc
G&tSP
wrote:
> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in messagenews:8a32be83-7e9f-4225...@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
I found an interesting one today, where PJ calls Somer Thompson (the
Florida girl whose body was just found) a "sexy hot 7-year-old babe".
I left his crosspost to AUK on the group, so you should see it there.
Good hunting.
[PS - Google doesn't support posting to pinky's list, so I had to snip
it. Sorry]
George Dance
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:23:58 -0700 (PDT), "G&tSP"
> <gand...@yahoo.ca>wrote:
>
> >I found an interesting one today, where PJ calls Somer Thompson (the
> >Florida girl whose body was just found) a "sexy hot 7-year-old babe".
>
I don't give a shit whom he was impersonating. He called her a "sexy
hot 7-year-old babe".
> you lying fucktard.
Ho, hum.
George Dance
> On Oct 23, 10:39 am, Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:23:58 -0700 (PDT), "G&tSP"
> > <gand...@yahoo.ca>wrote:
>
> > >I found an interesting one today, where PJ calls Somer Thompson (the
> > >Florida girl whose body was just found) a "sexy hot 7-year-old babe".
>
> > He was 'speaking' in third peson as Chuck Lysaght
>
> I don't give a shit whom he was impersonating.
Sorry, "impesonating".
"The Great One"
"G&tSP" <gan...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:d2770f8e-c345-47f3...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
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Thank you very much !!
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Good hunting.
*************************
I always get my limit !!
*************************
[PS - Google doesn't support posting to pinky's list, so I had to snip
it. Sorry]
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It's OK as Pinky Lee is DEAD !!
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--
HJ
"The Great One"
"Meat Plow" <me...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message news:37p4o1....@news.alt.net...
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:23:58 -0700 (PDT), "G&tSP"
>
> >I found an interesting one today, where PJ calls Somer Thompson (the
> >Florida girl whose body was just found) a "sexy hot 7-year-old babe".
>
Meat Plow, you're an Idiot !!
--
John C.
"The Great One"
"George Dance" <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:395e966b-1dc3-40ee...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> you lying fucktard.
Ho, hum.
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Since you didn't get all upset.....that will make Fatty-Plow start to drink and go on a rampage like the elephant-gut that he is and cause an earthquake and we'll all find out where he lives by watching the National News this afternoon !! Thanks.
**********************
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HJ
George Dance
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From: Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net>
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Re: Google's archives - Wired reports
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:48:26 -0700 (PDT), the messenjah
<theguyontheb...@veryfast.biz>wrote:
>nonsense
>It's here in northeast Florida
>
>http://skywriter.diaryland.com
--
Archived.
George Dance
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT), George Dance
> <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca>wrote:
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> >On Oct 22, 12:10?pm, Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
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> >From: Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net>
> >Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems,alt.usenet.kooks
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> >On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:48:26 -0700 (PDT), the messenjah
> ><theguyontheb...@veryfast.biz>wrote:
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> >>nonsense
> >>It's here in northeast Florida
>
> >>http://skywriter.diaryland.com
>
> >--
>
> >Archived.
>
No, dumbass. I just noticed that, after the above post of yours gets
removed in a week, it will look like I was the one who crossposted
this AAPC thread into alt.usenet.kooks -- and there'd be no evidence
that I wasn't. Now there is.
I didn't have to explain that to you, but I'm feeling tolerant today.
Will Dockery
<snipped, and update, below>
I notice that the Google Groups archives are still not really fixed,
since on some of the lesser-used groups (don't know if that is a
factor) it won't allow me to search within a group. While in Atlanta
yesterday, I found a couple of copies of the rare, oop series of
M*A*S*H* novels from the 1970s, "M*A*S*H* Goes to New Orleans" &
"M*A*S*H* Goes to Texas" so I wanted to read what the archives of the
M*A*S*H* newsgroup
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.mash/topics?hl=en
had to say about these two, and all I could get was:
Your search - "M*A*S*H" "Goes to Texas" - did not match any
documents.
Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
- Try fewer keywords.
- Try your search on all Google Groups.
- Try your search on Google Web Search.
Which I know isn't right because I myself have written some on the
M*A*S*H sequels.
Anyway... hope they are still working with it, and haven't begun
congratulating themselves already.
George Dance
Using the search string,
mash goes to
to search within the group brings up 6,570 hits (a lot of which aren't
about the books), while the string
"mash goes to"
brings up none (which probably still is a bug). The best result is
using
mash "goes to"
which brings up 1,600 or so; most of (the first couple of pages of)
which do look to be all about the novel series, including posts of
yours.
HTH
George Dance
I naturally had to go over to ATM and check all that out for myself. I
noticed you'd posted the same query there, so I wrote a reply to it
there as well.
George Dance
Using the search string,
mash goes to
brings up 6,570 hits (a lot of which aren't about the books), while
the string
"mash goes to"
brings up none (which probably still is a bug). The best result is
using
mash "goes to"
which brings up 1,600 or so; most of (the first couple of pages of)
which do look to be all about the novel series.
Will Dockery
Thanks, I just hit the "Search This Group' button and got nothing,
although it used to work like a charm.
George Dance
There still are a lot of bugs in the system. For instance, if you go
into an author's profile and click on the posts for a month, the
chance are you'll get nothing. (That's the bug that fooled me into
thinking Gwyneth's one post in three years was no longer in the
archives, BTW.) But things are a lot better than they've been in a
long time. And the important thing is, google now has people assigned
to keeping the usenet search engines maintained, whereas before they
were being completely neglected.
Two years ago, just after Dale Houstman wrote AUKtard Daedalus asking
fpr someone to take 'punitive action' against me, the search for my
name developed a strange bug; if I typed in ["george dance"] and hit
the Search Groups button, I couldn't find any posts. A few days later
they were back, but with the threads on my Kook Award nomination and
my Clueless Newbie nomination pinned to the top of the search, where
they've stayed. That's finally been fixed, and a Search Groups for
["george dance"] now brings up poetry first. I'm quite happy about
that.
i can only imagine imagine how many petty instances of hacking and
f*ing with the search engines like that must have gone on over the
past 10 years, and how much that had to do with their corruption.
Stormin Mormon
books. I was disappointed that the authors filled a lot of
pages by spelling out things, repeatedly. I do remember
enjoying the books. I wonder if I still have the books. Have
to look, some day.
--
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Learn more about Jesus
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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 24, 1:08 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
<snipped, and update, below>
I notice that the Google Groups archives are still not
really fixed,
since on some of the lesser-used groups (don't know if that
is a
factor) it won't allow me to search within a group. While in
Atlanta
yesterday, I found a couple of copies of the rare, oop
series of
M*A*S*H* novels from the 1970s, "M*A*S*H* Goes to New
Orleans" &
"M*A*S*H* Goes to Texas" so I wanted to read what the
archives of the
M*A*S*H* newsgroup
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.mash/topics?hl=en
Which I know isn't right because I myself have written some
Will Dockery
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Many years ago, I used to have a couple of the "goes to"
> books. I was disappointed that the authors filled a lot of
> pages by spelling out things, repeatedly. I do remember
> enjoying the books. I wonder if I still have the books. Have
> to look, some day.
>
Christopher, when you find them hang on to them, since they're getting
pretty rare... after all, they've been oop for going on 40 years.
Well, I did find a mighty fine website that wasn't around the last
time I looked for info on the M*A*S*H novels... reviews of the entire
series. Here's excerpts on one of the two I found in Atlanta a couple
of days ago:
http://www.rah96.com/bestrah/mashnovl.php
"...Rather less well known is the fact that Richard Hooker, who did
not participate in the production of either the movie or the TV
series, went on to write several sequels to the original novel. I
found some of them in used book stores starting in the late 1970s. It
should be noted that these books continue the characters as developed
in the original novel, on which the movie was based, and have nothing
whatever to do with the TV series. This means that if your only
exposure to M*A*S*H has been through the sitcom, you really need to
read the original M*A*S*H novel and M*A*S*H Goes To Maine before
starting any of the others. As a single example of the
inconsistencies, the TV Hawkeye was an only child whose father was a
physician. Hawkeye as presented in these novels is from a large
family, the brood of a Maine lobsterman..."
[...]
"...The rest of these novels were cowritten by Richard Hooker and
William E. Butterworth. They were published as paperbacks by Pocket
Books. They all have advertising language on their covers relating
them to the M*A*S*H TV series, although (as mentioned) they having
nothing to do with that show. The sitcom *was* one of the most popular
shows on the air when these novels were published, which explains
everything.
M*A*S*H Goes To New Orleans
M*A*S*H Goes To New Orleans was released in January 1975. In this
story, Hawkeye is drugged by his loving wife and spirited to New
Orleans by Trapper John. The idea is to get Hawkeye well out of the
way while his fourth child is born, since he was driving everyone
nuts. While in New Orleans, our heroes try desperately to avoid
attending any convention sessions of the American Tonsil, Adenoid and
Vas Deferens Society (Francis Burns, M.D. - Public Affairs Vice
President). By several extraordinary coincidences (read: plot
devices), a few other 4077 alumni are staying in the same hotel. These
include Hot Lips, Father (now Archbishop) John Mulcahy, and Jean-
Pierre "Horsey" de la Chevaux, a former infantry sergeant whose leg
was once saved at the 4077th MASH. Horsey, now a petroleum
millionaire, is a regular inhabitant of these novels. He's usually
accompanied by his comrades, the drunken members of the Bayou Perdu
Council, Knights of Columbus..."
[..]
"...These novels are not, in general, great literature. They make good
light entertainment, though. If you like parodies of politicians, the
medical profession, Hollywood, opera, and religion (which is
redundant, given the other items on the list) you should enjoy these
novels. The above list of M*A*S*H novels is not complete. These are
the ones I own so far. I'm still combing used book stores for the
records of the M*A*S*H gang's journeys to: Hollywood, Miami, Texas,
Montreal, Morocco, and San Francisco..."
"...Dave Bealer is a forty-something mainframe systems programmer who
works with CICS, MVS and all manner of nasty acronyms at one of the
largest heavy metal shops on the East Coast. He shares a waterfront
townhome in Pasadena, MD. with a cat who annoys him endlessly as he
assiduously avoids writing for and publishing Random Access Humor..."
Not much online about the Texas volume, but I did find this synopsis:
http://www.paperbackswap.com/book/details/9780722146415-MASH+Goes+to+Texas
M*A*S*H Goes to Texas
"...Everyone's having a ball... The big Saints versus Cowboys football
bonanza in Dallas, Texas is promising to be one helluva game! To start
with, Nurse Esther Flanagan has made the big mistake of letting those
two manic medics, Hawkeye and Trapper John, chaperone her to the game.
And they, in turn, are joined by the Reverend Mother Emeritus Hot
Lips, with Horsey de ka Chevaux in tow. And when the mob from M*A*S*H
meet up with Chief Sitting Buffalo and his cowboy pal - who are being
pursued by Lance and Brucie, a pair of extremely happy photographers
out to capture the flavour of the real ole Wild West... You can bet
your last dollar it's going to be a SM*A*S*HHeroo of a ball game..."
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
> Learn more about Jesus
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Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"the messenjah" <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in message
news:a4e1df38-3b0d-4012...@b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
usenet nonsense
http://skywriter.diaryland.com
>
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
> I got nothing,
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hc199p$fdb$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Many years ago, I used to have a couple of the "goes to"
> books. I was disappointed that the authors filled a lot of
> pages by spelling out things, repeatedly. I do remember
> enjoying the books. I wonder if I still have the books. Have
> to look, some day.
"M*A*S*H* goes to Texas" is about as stupid and campy as the Harlem
Globetrotters rescuing the castaways from Gilligan's Island. It's almost
what I might expect from a straight-to-DVD these days with Hollywood so
pathetically out of ideas. At any rate, if M*A*S*H went to Texas, then what
the fuck would be the point? They wanted to be in America ANYWAY, and
they're SUPPOSED to be in Korea...putting them in Texas would either make
every single member AWOL or just be plain stupid!
Will Dockery
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
The M*A*S*H "Goes to" series of novels take place after the Korean
War, and all the characters have come home, the same concept as
AfterMASH did with the television version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfterMASH
"...AfterMASH is an American situation comedy that aired on CBS from
September 26, 1983 to May 31, 1985. A spin-off of the long-running hit
series M*A*S*H (the name is a pun on aftermath), the show took place
immediately following the end of the Korean War and chronicled the
adventures of three characters from the original series: Colonel
Potter (played by Harry Morgan), Klinger (played by Jamie Farr) and
Father Mulcahy (played by William Christopher). Morgan, Farr, and
Christopher had voted in the minority when the cast of M*A*S*H elected
not to continue the original series..."
[...]
"...The only other main character from the original series to appear
on AfterMASH was Radar (played by Gary Burghoff), who appeared in a
first season two-part episode. As Potter, Klinger, and Mulcahy prepare
to head to Iowa for Radar's wedding, Radar shows up in a panic at
Potter's house in Missouri, believing his intended fiancée has cheated
on him in "It Had To Be You". The Radar character later appeared in a
pilot called W*A*L*T*E*R, in which Radar moved from Iowa to St. Louis
and became a police officer..."
Anyway, I'm surprised you didn't figure that out on your own, already.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
On Oct 26, 9:51 pm, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hc199p$fdb$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > Many years ago, I used to have a couple of the "goes to"
> > books. I was disappointed that the authors filled a lot of
> > pages by spelling out things, repeatedly. I do remember
> > enjoying the books. I wonder if I still have the books. Have
> > to look, some day.
>
> "M*A*S*H* goes to Texas" is about as stupid and campy as the Harlem
> Globetrotters rescuing the castaways from Gilligan's Island. It's almost
> what I might expect from a straight-to-DVD these days with Hollywood so
> pathetically out of ideas. At any rate, if M*A*S*H went to Texas, then
> what
> the fuck would be the point? They wanted to be in America ANYWAY, and
> they're SUPPOSED to be in Korea...putting them in Texas would either make
> every single member AWOL or just be plain stupid!
The M*A*S*H "Goes to" series of novels take place after the Korean
War, and all the characters have come home, the same concept as
AfterMASH did with the television version:
= snip =
I don't care. It's a stupid concept and campy as all hell.
Will Dockery
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in message
So, why bother to even read or post, then?
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
So, why bother [SMACK]
Because, Duckery. Just because. Now fuck off.
Will Dockery
>
> > Thanks, I just hit the "Search This Group' button and got nothing,
> > although it used to work like a charm.
>
> There still are a lot of bugs in the system. For instance, if you go
> into an author's profile and click on the posts for a month, the
> chance are you'll get nothing. (That's the bug that fooled me into
> thinking Gwyneth's one post in three years was no longer in the
> archives, BTW.) But things are a lot better than they've been in a
> long time. And the important thing is, google now has people assigned
> to keeping the usenet search engines maintained, whereas before they
> were being completely neglected.
>
> Two years ago, just after Dale Houstman wrote AUKtard Daedalus asking
> fpr someone to take 'punitive action' against me, the search for my
> name developed a strange bug; if I typed in ["george dance"] and hit
> the Search Groups button, I couldn't find any posts. A few days later
> they were back, but with the threads on my Kook Award nomination and
> my Clueless Newbie nomination pinned to the top of the search, where
> they've stayed. That's finally been fixed, and a Search Groups for
> ["george dance"] now brings up poetry first. I'm quite happy about
> that.
>
> i can only imagine imagine how many petty instances of hacking and
> f*ing with the search engines like that must have gone on over the
> past 10 years, and how much that had to do with their corruption.
Yes, there are still problems with searching, but I notice going back
and trying the same thing /again/ is working, sometimes... maybe the
bugs are getting worked out, and by "working" areas that have
"atrofied" or somesuch term, works.
Here's more of my research on M*A*S*H, in case anyone might have an
interest... only Matt had any earlier this year, and he's apparently
gone, but in case you're out there lurking, here you go, pal, and come
on back, btw:
Anyway, some interesting (to me, anyway) thoughts worth discussing is
the "AfterMASH" concept in general, as in what happened to the people
of 4077 after the war, and some of the more far out details of the
novels /and/ television aside (Radar as a cop? Almost as odd as what
the novels turned him into, or odder, in a way), we have a timeline of
sorts for almost all the M*A*S*H charactrs all the way up to, what,
1986 in the case of Trapper John.
Perhaps the biggest difference between the novels (which were approved
by the creator of M*A*S*H since he had his name on the books as co-
writer, although now it seems a given that he didn't write but three
of the, what, 17 books) and the television version is that Blake
didn't die, and continues to appear in some of the novels... and it
was, I think, actually stated in the books that Richard Hooker didn't
approve of killing off Blake. Stranger things happen in soap operas
all the time, and I'll throw this out for discussion to the group;
couldn't we say that Blake /did/ somehow survive, and television being
what it always has been, and pop culture in general (for example, look
at how many times Superman & Captain America, to name just two, have
"died", only to return miraculously or through some ruse) it doesn't
seem that far-fetched, and doesn't deminish the drama of Blake's exit
from the series, either, since the cast truly did think he'd died.
And wasn't the character of Blake sort of "killed off" out of spite to
Stevenson, anyway, I've read somewhere, before?
Anyway, let's have a look at the two immediate sequels to M*A*S*H, the
television AfterMASH and the novel M*A*S*H Goes To Maine:
http://www.finest-kind.net/articles/aftermash.php
First thing I notice of great interest is the only two characters
remaining as main characters in this spinoff/sequel from the original
novel are Father Mulcahy and Radar O'Reily:
"...The key facts: it would be set after the war at a stateside
veteran’s hospital and would star Harry Morgan, Jamie Farr and William
Christopher as Sherman Potter, Maxwell Klinger and Father Mulcahy,
respectively. According to a TV Guide article from November of 1983,
when the cast of M*A*S*H got together to decide if they wanted to
continue for an eleventh season in 1982, Morgan, Farr and Christopher
were the three most in favor of continuing..."
[...]
"...Rosalind Chao, who played Klinger’s Korean wife Soon-Lee in the
final episodes of M*A*S*H, was already set to return in AfterMASH.
Several new characters, including Colonel Potter’s oft-mentioned but
never seen wife, Mildred, were also created. Barbara Townsend was cast
as Mildred Potter and John Chappell, Brandis Kemp and Jay O. Sanders
were cast as hospital administrator Michael D’Angelo, his secretary
Alma Cox and doctor Gene Pfeiffer, respectively [...] The premiere saw
Sherman Potter, Maxwell Klinger and Father Mulcahy (no longer deaf
thanks to an operation) together again at General Pershing Veterans
Administration Hospital (more commonly known as General-General) in
River Bend, Missouri in September of 1953."
[...]
"...In January of 1984, having survived the first half of its freshman
season, AfterMASH experienced some growing pains. The character of Dr.
Pfeiffer, played by Jay O. Sanders, was phased out “because the
character just wasn’t working,” according to TV Guide. A new
character, Dr. Boyer, played by David Ackroyd, was introduced in the
same episode, which also had a cameo from actor Gary Burghoff as
Walter “Radar” O’Reilly. Burghoff had left M*A*S*H at the start of its
eighth season.Burghoff would guest star in the following week’s
episode, which dealt with Radar’s upcoming marriage. As Potter,
Mulcahy and Klinger prepare to head to Iowa for the wedding, Radar
shows up at Potter’s house in Missouri, pre-wedding jitters having
gotten the best of him. Rumors about Burghoff’s appearance foretelling
yet another M*A*S*H spin-off were not exactly true: his guest role on
AfterMASH may have “tested” the waters some but it did not serve as a
pilot for a potential series (that would have to wait for W*A*L*T*E*R
later that year)..."
Meanwhile, back in the early 1970s, not long before the television
version of M*A*S*H began, Richard Hooker wrote the sequel, giving his
idea of AfterMASH. Of course, since the characters of Potter and
Klinger didn't even exist yet, they weren't involved in that story (of
course neither are other great contributions to the M*A*S*H mythos,
either, such as Winchester & BJ) and, notably, Duke Forest, who was
cut from the tv series, plays a major part in the "Goes to Maine"
story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M*A*S*H_Goes_to_Maine
"...Hawkeye Pierce returns to live in Crabapple Cove, Maine near the
town of Spruce Harbor. Having left the Army, Hawkeye is established to
be working for the Veterans Administration. In May 1954 he is laid
off. At this point, Hawkeye doesn’t have much money in the bank, is 31
years old, and has three children: Billy, Stephen and Karen.
The day he’s released, Trapper John McIntyre comes to visit and sets
Hawkeye’s future in motion. Trapper John, a Lieutenant in the medical
organization of Maxie Neville in New York City, arranges for further
thoracic training for Hawkeye, first in the East Orange VA Hospital in
New Jersey, then at St Lombard’s in Manhattan from July 1954. After
two years Hawkeye breezes through the Thoracic Boards. At the end of
his training in June 1956, two Spruce Harbor locals, Jocko Allcock
(the man who was responsible for Hawkeye being fired by the VA) and
“Wooden Leg” Willcox (the local fish magnate) come to visit Hawkeye to
set him up in practice—by betting favorably on the outcome of his
operations.
The first operation with Trapper John’s assistance (upon Pasquale
Merlino) is a success, and thanks to his superior training Hawkeye
becomes the local surgeon. As time goes by, Hawkeye is given more
patients by the local general practitioner of note, “Doggy” Moore;
goes into private practice with ex-Spitfire pilot Tony Holcombe and
plots the eventual reuniting of the Swamp Gang. By 1959 Hawkeye has
lured Trapper John, Duke Forrest, and Spearchucker Jones into his net,
and thanks to the proceeds of the “Allcock-Willcox” syndicate, a new
“Finestkind Fishmarket and Clinic” is set up along with the new Spruce
Harbor General Hospital.
Duke returns to Georgia from Korea, and takes a course in urology.
Hawkeye Pierce then invites him up to Spruce Harbor, Maine to join him
and a new friend, Tony Holcombe in private practice. Duke immediately
turns up in Maine with his bloodhound, Little Eva, and joins Hawkeye
in persuading Spearchucker to become the local neurosurgeon. Duke and
his family move into Crabapple Cove next to Hawkeye and Mary
Pierce..."
"...M*A*S*H Goes to Maine is a novel written by Richard Hooker and
originally published in 1972. A sequel to 1968's M*A*S*H: A Novel
About Three Army Doctors, it features several of that novel's
characters in rural Maine. An attempt to adapt M*A*S*H Goes to Maine
as a feature film was unsuccessful..."
I'm seeing some details on the aborted M*A*S*H film sequel in Google
Search, which may yield some interesting facts, and of course, the
final (so far) installment in the M*A*S*H epic, or mythos, to put in
place is the Trapper John, MD series... bringing the story up to
around 1986, I think it is, at least the story of one remaining member
of the 4077, since as far as I know, none of the other M*A*S*H
characters appear in that, and are only slightly mentioned a couple of
times.
Interesting stuff, and interesting to imagine how all this might
somehow fit together in some surreal continuity.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
On Oct 25, 3:18 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, I just hit the "Search This Group' button and got nothing,
> > although it used to work like a charm.
>
> There still are a lot of bugs in the system. For instance, if you go
> into an author's profile and click on the posts for a month, the
> chance are you'll get nothing. (That's the bug that fooled me into
> thinking Gwyneth's one post in three years was no longer in the
> archives, BTW.) But things are a lot better than they've been in a
> long time. And the important thing is, google now has people assigned
> to keeping the usenet search engines maintained, whereas before they
> were being completely neglected.
>
> Two years ago, just after Dale Houstman wrote AUKtard Daedalus asking
> fpr someone to take 'punitive action' against me, the search for my
> name developed a strange bug; if I typed in ["george dance"] and hit
> the Search Groups button, I couldn't find any posts. A few days later
> they were back, but with the threads on my Kook Award nomination and
> my Clueless Newbie nomination pinned to the top of the search, where
> they've stayed. That's finally been fixed, and a Search Groups for
> ["george dance"] now brings up poetry first. I'm quite happy about
> that.
>
> i can only imagine imagine how many petty instances of hacking and
> f*ing with the search engines like that must have gone on over the
> past 10 years, and how much that had to do with their corruption.
Yes, there are still problems with searching,
= snippage the stupidage =
Are there really problems or are you just a moron who can't figure out how
to use the search function properly?
Will Dockery
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> to use the search function properly?
Go back to the start of the thread:
On Oct 24, 1:08=A0pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
<snipped, and update, below>
I notice that the Google Groups archives are still not really fixed,
since on some of the lesser-used groups (don't know if that is a
factor) it won't allow me to search within a group. While in Atlanta
yesterday, I found a couple of copies of the rare, oop series of
M*A*S*H* novels from the 1970s, "M*A*S*H* Goes to New Orleans" &
"M*A*S*H* Goes to Texas" so I wanted to read what the archives of the
M*A*S*H* newsgroup
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.mash/topics?hl=3Den
had to say about these two, and all I could get was:
Your search - "M*A*S*H" "Goes to Texas" - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
- Try fewer keywords.
- Try your search on all Google Groups.
- Try your search on Google Web Search.
Which I know isn't right because I myself have written some on the
M*A*S*H sequels.
Anyway... hope they are still working with it, and haven't begun
congratulating themselves already.
--
George Dance
Unfortunately, M*A*S*H means nothing to me; I didn't have a TV when
the series first came out, and never picked up on it later. I do
remember seeing the movie, though not much of that itself. I saw it
when it first came out (70?); my uncle and aunt took my sister and me,
expecting something like a typical John Wayne-style war movie. They
drove us home in shock. I thought the movie was pretty weird, and
didn't understand everything that happened. One part I actually
disliked was the constant pranks on Burns and Hotlips; it seemed like
bullying to me. I know the idea was that the majors were bullying the
doctors as superior officers, but it didn't look that way since the
doctors never followed the orders anyway. It just looked like two
people being picked on because their stereotypes (the Nerd and the
Hall Monitor) were the right sort of targets.
> Anyway, some interesting (to me, anyway) thoughts worth discussing is
> the "AfterMASH" concept in general, as in what happened to the people
> of 4077 after the war, and some of the more far out details of the
> novels /and/ television aside (Radar as a cop? Almost as odd as what
> the novels turned him into, or odder, in a way), we have a timeline of
> sorts for almost all the M*A*S*H charactrs all the way up to, what,
> 1986 in the case of Trapper John.
>
> Perhaps the biggest difference between the novels (which were approved
> by the creator of M*A*S*H since he had his name on the books as co-
> writer, although now it seems a given that he didn't write but three
> of the, what, 17 books) and the television version is that Blake
> didn't die, and continues to appear in some of the novels... and it
> was, I think, actually stated in the books that Richard Hooker didn't
> approve of killing off Blake. Stranger things happen in soap operas
> all the time, and I'll throw this out for discussion to the group;
> couldn't we say that Blake /did/ somehow survive, and television being
> what it always has been, and pop culture in general (for example, look
> at how many times Superman & Captain America, to name just two, have
> "died", only to return miraculously or through some ruse) it doesn't
> seem that far-fetched, and doesn't deminish the drama of Blake's exit
> from the series, either, since the cast truly did think he'd died.
Now, this is intriguing. One way to reconcile the different histories
is through the science-fiction concept of parallel worlds. It's based
on the philosophical idea of possible worlds; since any truth could
possibly be false and vice versa, for every time something happens one
way gives rise to a possible world where it did not happen. The sci fi
element comes in with the idea that each of these possible worlds
exists in its own space-time continuum. The theory is that there's an
infinite number of possible worlds, so you'd never run out of them. So
there'd be at least one world where Blake was alive, and one where he
was dead.
Star Trek was another show that had problems with the alternate
futures in its movies and the official novels (hundreds of them) that
were made, and that would have been an ideal way to reconcile the
differences in them. Alas, it didn't; the consensus view was that the
movies were "reality," and the novels (plus the fanfic) were just a
fiction based on it.
I think Star Trek did have an episode, "Visit to a Weird Planet," that
explored the idea of parallel worlds. In that one, the Enterprise crew
ended up in a TV studio where Star Trek was being taped.
Anyway, it's just a thought; and I thought i should say something,
since I have little or nothing to say about MASH.
Don Del Grande
>The M*A*S*H "Goes to" series of novels take place after the Korean
>War, and all the characters have come home, the same concept as
>AfterMASH did with the television version
Didn't one of the books come up with an explanation about Henry Blake
surviving his plane being shot down (to explain how he appears in the
earliest books)?
-- Don
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Go back to [SMACK]
Answer the question, twerp.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Don Del Grande" <del_gra...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:d45fe5daa74qpdssk...@4ax.com...
No, you're thinking of the Carol Burnett show, who had "Henry" in a life
raft in the middle of the ocean the day or so after that episode aired.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
flapped his arms really fast as he fell toward the ocean?
Will Dockery
wrote:
Yes, I see another poster here in this thread going into some detail
on that. I hit on some great stuff in a book archived at Google Books,
Larry Gelbart himself is interviewed pretty extensively, and here's
what he had to say about Hornberger and his keeping Henry Blake alive
in the M*A*S*H novels:
"He was also mad as Hell that we had killed Henry Blake. He had a
M*A*S*H book industry going... with a collaborator, he was doin
M*A*S*H Goes to Paris, M*A*S*H Goes to Las Vegas. He was doing M*A*S*H
Goes here, M*A*S*H Goes there. So, he was making a tidy living with
Henry Blake very much alive and kicking --- and we had him very much
dead and buried! Or drowned. So, I
Will Dockery
> On Oct 27, 10:58 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Here's more of my research on M*A*S*H, in case anyone might have an
> > interest... only Matt had any earlier this year, and he's apparently
> > gone, but in case you're out there lurking, here you go, pal, and come
> > on back, btw:
>
> Unfortunately, M*A*S*H means nothing to me; I didn't have a TV when
> the series first came out, and never picked up on it later. I do
> remember seeing the movie, though not much of that itself. I saw it
> when it first came out (70?); my uncle and aunt took my sister and me,
> expecting something like a typical John Wayne-style war movie. They
> drove us home in shock. I thought the movie was pretty weird, and
> didn't understand everything that happened. One part I actually
> disliked was the constant pranks on Burns and Hotlips; it seemed like
> bullying to me. I know the idea was that the majors were bullying the
> doctors as superior officers, but it didn't look that way since the
> doctors never followed the orders anyway. It just looked like two
> people being picked on because their stereotypes (the Nerd and the
> Hall Monitor) were the right sort of targets.
Yes, I can see how that must have been an uncomfortable moviegoing
experience for you... down here, there was already a buzz going on for
M*A*S*H among the cool outsider kids... who, back then were picked on
here in the South for /being/ cool... this was a time when changes
were not appreciated, and the Hall Monitors & straight, right-thinking
(Young Republicans, I recall, were big among this type) Nerds (anti
desegrigation & pro Nam) joined with the football jocks & cheerleaders
to where there was an overall authority of the teachers, and the
lower, "on the street" (or hallways) authority... ah, this will take
too much time to get into a coherent statement.
I'll just say that many of us indentified with Trapper John & Hawkeye
of the movie version when it first appeared, although in real life in
a Junior High School (I think Stuart told me once not to put that in
caps in this context) such antics would tend to get smacked down right
fact by fellow students in the Hot-Lips/Burns mold.
High school soon came and things changed fast... the old order had
changed a lot, desgregation had set in and the inmates ruled the
asylum. By graduation time many of us had become mellowed &
enlightened, much like Hawkeye did under Alan Alda's interpretation.
Yes, this sure seems the way it is (007 is another case of this sort
of string theory, there's the Fleming novels, the Connery Bond, the
Moore, and so on), and M*A*S*H can seem to easily be explained as
having three distinct realities:
1) The Hornberger novels
2) The Altman film
3) The television series
When i get more time I'd like to return to your specific points, but
for now... there is none, really.
More later, I hope.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
....posted something copyrighted to Usenet years later without permission?
Dipwad.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Posting while drunk again, Duckery? That's a shame. It doesn't go well with
your lies of not drinking. Anyway, why does it not surprise me that you were
considered an "outsider?" Don't make me laugh at the rest because I can
never see you being considered "cool," not even if you hung out with blind
ten year olds.
Will Dockery
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in message
So that explains your stupidity... why not sober up and come back
later, Dink?
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
why not sober up and c[SMACK]
Duckery, if I thought you had even the slightest chance in Hell of being
able to openly practice reading comprehension, I'd grab you by your tail
feathers and nail you to a chalkboard. But alas, you remain ignorant and
stupid, and pathetically inobservant of that which eventually makes you look
even more moronic than usual...
Will Dockery
<son...@sonnet-a-day.com> wrote:
Shakespeare Sonnet-a-Day
Sonnet #92
Posted:
XCII.
But do thy worst to steal thyself away,
For term of life thou art assured mine,
And life no longer than thy love will stay,
For it depends upon that love of thine.
Then need I not to fear the worst of wrongs,
When in the least of them my life hath end.
I see a better state to me belongs
Than that which on thy humour doth depend;
Thou canst not vex me with inconstant mind,
Since that my life on thy revolt doth lie.
O, what a happy title do I find,
Happy to have thy love, happy to die!
But what's so blessed-fair that fears no blot?
Thou mayst be false, and yet I know it not.
- Wm. Shakespeare
Will Dockery
Poets and Poetry Fans:
I thought you might be interested in this forwarded message from
Cathy Fussell, Director of the Carson McCullers Center about poetry
events coming up this Friday.
Ron Self
From: Cathy Fussell
Sent: 11/9/2009 10:49:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Poetry this Friday
CSU's Carson McCullers Center is proud to present acclaimed poet KEVIN
PRUFER in two events scheduled for this coming Friday, November 13,
2009. First, at 4:00 PM in the afternoon, Mr. Prufer will lead an
informal discussion of his work at the McCullers House, 1519 Stark
Avenue in Columbus. Then, in the evening, at 7:30 PM, Mr. Prufer will
give a formal reading of his work, at International House on CSU's
main campus.
The public is cordially invited to these free events, sponsored by the
Carson McCullers Center and the Georgia Poetry Circuit.
--
Cathy Fussell, Director
CSU's Carson McCullers Center for Writers and Musicians
1519 Stark Avenue
Columbus, GA 31906
http://www.mccullerscenter.org
George Dance
> From Ron Self, local leader of Georgia Poetry Society:
>
> Poets and Poetry Fans:
> I thought you might be interested in this forwarded message from
> Cathy Fussell, Director of the Carson McCullers Center about poetry
> events coming up this Friday.
> Ron Self
>
> From: Cathy Fussell
> Sent: 11/9/2009 10:49:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
> Subj: Poetry this Friday
>
> CSU's Carson McCullers Center is proud to present acclaimed poet KEVIN
> PRUFER in two events scheduled for this coming Friday, November 13,
> 2009. First, at 4:00 PM in the afternoon, Mr. Prufer will lead an
> informal discussion of his work at the McCullers House, 1519 Stark
> Avenue in Columbus. Then, in the evening, at 7:30 PM, Mr. Prufer will
> give a formal reading of his work, at International House on CSU's
> main campus.
>
> The public is cordially invited to these free events, sponsored by the
> Carson McCullers Center and the Georgia Poetry Circuit.
>
> --
> Cathy Fussell, Director
> CSU's Carson McCullers Center for Writers and Musicians
> 1519 Stark Avenue
I'd never heard of him, so I googled. I enjoyed his "Death Comes in
the Form of a Pontiac Trans Am":
When I have fears that I may cease to be,
I think of death that revs and growls, backfires,
stops for none, is cherry red and sleek,
eats Honda Civics, coughs, and spits out wires.
[...] read the rest at
http://www.poetrymagazine.com/archives/2001/October01/prufer.htm
(You'll have to scroll down for the poem.)
Will Dockery
Yes, from what I've read of him he seems interesting, it'll be good to
have a chance to meet him... sometimes these guys turn out to be
cooler than expected and want to see the weirdness of the area,
sometimes not. Seaborn Jones was my last poet meeting, but I knew he
was a live-wire before we teamed up, as he also knew about me.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Seaborn Jones was my last poet meeting, but I knew he
was a live-wire before we teamed up, as he also knew about me.
Did he know you were an alcoholic drug-abusing lush and an aimless, hopeless
drain on society or did he know you were a horribly self-bastardized attempt
to throwback to the 1960s
Will Dockery
No, we mainly talked about art, music and poetry.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote in message
>
> news:977cf069-4c79-4a40...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> Seaborn Jones was my last poet meeting, but I knew he
> was a live-wire before we teamed up, as he also knew about me.
>
> Did he know you were an alcoholic drug-abusing lush and an aimless,
> hopeless
> drain on society or did he know you were a horribly self-bastardized
> attempt
> to throwback to the 1960s
No,
But after a few seconds he did.
George Dance
So how did that go? Did you get to talk with Prufer?
Will Dockery
No, unfortunately I had so much going on Friday I missed the event
completely...
Will Dockery
also w/ Amy Godwin performing!!!!!
Host: the Golden Bough
Type: Music/Arts - Performance
Network: Global
Start Time: Friday, December 4, 2009 at 7:00pm
End Time: Saturday, December 5, 2009 at 11:00am
Location: Golden Bough Bookstore
Street: Cotton Ave
City/Town: Macon, GA
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=296627830634
DescriptionLive Poetry from the great Seaborn Jones, and Cult of
Riggonia plays afterwards with their first bookstore performance. This
is going to be GOOD..
JUST ADDED!
Amy Godwin will also be performing!
This event will be starting early at 7pm. So get there early.
10 pm at the captiol theatre Jaimoe from the ABB is going have his
jazz band playing so we plan to finish this in time to go catch that..
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=296627830634