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Howard Duck

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Mar 25, 2008, 4:47:49 PM3/25/08
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I've been watching all the "Rumpole of the Bailey" series on discs.
It's really quite enjoyable once you get into the characters. Horace
Rumpole is an outrageous character belonging to a law office; a
barrister who only likes to defend criminal types. Always quoting
Shakespeare or Wordsworth. He is despised by judges and an
embarrassment to the other members of his chambers. They are usually
trying to retire him off and get rid of him, yet they each turn to him
for sympathy or for help when they are having problems - he is always
willing to help them out. Rumpole refers to his wife, Hilda, as "she
who must be obeyed," quoted from Rider Haggard's "She." (Why that
novel is considered such a classic, I cannot imagine. Jung took the
dominant female character of the book as symbolic of the "anima," an
archetype of the male psychological profile.) Anyway, I have
thoroughly enjoyed the series and would recommend it to anyone who is
unfamiliar with it.

The way the British legal system works (or used to work) is that
barristers of the same chambers might be called upon to represent
either the defense or the prosecution in criminal cases. I've never
heard of a private law firm representing the prosecution in America.
The same firm may also take on both the plaintiff and the defendant in
civil suits, but in America I think that would be considered a
conflict of interest. Also, if one is charged with an offence, then
one seeks council from what is called a solicitor, who then recommends
a barrister to go to court before the "bar" on behalf of the accused.
It may be that nowadays a solicitor is allowed to present a case
before judge and jury, but apparently that was formerly not the case.
If the cases of the Old Bailey as shown on "Rumpole" are at all
accurate, then the judge may argue points of the case as he sees fit,
and is at liberty to question or cross examine witnesses as he
pleases. But I must confess that almost everything I know about law
is what I've gleaned from films and novels.
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Howard Duck

David Matthews

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Mar 25, 2008, 5:10:30 PM3/25/08
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"Howard Duck" <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote in message
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I loved the TV series but I tried to read one of the books and I couldn't
get into at all, the stories just didn't work for me without that wonderful
cast of actors.

Dave in Toronto

Catherine Thompson

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Mar 25, 2008, 7:58:22 PM3/25/08
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I've had no problem reading the books--I've only seen a few episodes of
the series, but Leo McKern is so fixed in my brain as Rumpole that it
hardly matters when I read. :-) (Of course, that might also have to do
with the various audiobook versions of the stories I've listened to,
with McKern doing the narration.)

Catherine

Francis A. Miniter

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Mar 25, 2008, 10:39:47 PM3/25/08
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I love the books and the series. Of course, when reading
the books, I hear Leo McKern's voice narrating them.


Francis A.. Miniter

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Francis A. Miniter

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Cheryl P. wrote:

> David Matthews wrote:
>
>> I loved the TV series but I tried to read one of the books and I
>> couldn't get into at all, the stories just didn't work for me without
>> that wonderful cast of actors.
>>
>> Dave in Toronto
>
> I've never been lucky enough to see the TV series, although I've heard
> and enjoyed the same actor in audio adaptations. I met Rumpole through
> the books, and I think I've read all of them. I didn't much care for the
> little I've read of the author's other fiction - John Mortimer, isn't
> it?


Have you read "Summer's Lease"? A truly superb novel and
mystery.


> They have his autobiography on BBC 7 from time to time - it's very
> interesting. He's one of these professional people - I think they're
> usually doctors, but he was a lawyer - who somehow finds time to also
> become successful in the arts. He's been very active in the theatre,
> too, which I suppose makes sense for a lawyer!
>
> It was years before I realized Mortimer didn't originate the term 'She
> Who Must Be Obeyed'.
>
> Cheryl


I too did not see/read Haggard's "She" until years after
Rumpole used the term.


Francis A. Miniter

David Matthews

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Mar 26, 2008, 10:21:45 AM3/26/08
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"Francis A. Miniter" <fami...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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....and Haggard's _SHE_ was based on a real person. Go here :-
http://www.vanhunks.com/lowveld1/modjadji1.html

Dave in Toronto

Jenni

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in article YtmdnQ8k07_oKnTa...@comcast.com, Francis A. Miniter
at fami...@comcast.net wrote on 3/25/08 10:39 PM:

Me too. :-)


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Howard Duck

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Mar 26, 2008, 5:13:40 PM3/26/08
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How very strange and interesting!
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Howard

Annie C

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Mar 26, 2008, 7:04:08 PM3/26/08
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"Cheryl P." <cper...@mun.ca> wrote in message
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| Francis A. Miniter wrote:
|
| >
| > Have you read "Summer's Lease"? A truly superb novel and mystery.
| >
| I saw the DVD and didn't much like the story, although the scenery was
| magnificent. The mystery element didn't grab me at all. I can't see even
| someone lumbered with such an unappealing family having much time or
| energy to spend wondering about a weird landlord or even an unfortunate
| accident.
|
| Her father was at least a bit amusing if you didn't have to live with
| him and one of the children was too young to expect much from, but
| really, if I'd been saddled with the rest of the self-centred gits, I'd
| have gone to Italy by myself.
|
| There was another movie years ago about a woman who did just that, but
| to Greece. Shirley Valentine, that was it.
|
| Cheryl

John Mortimer also adapted his early autobiographical story "A Voyage Round
My Father" into a stage play and then later into a tv screenplay. The latter
version starred the marvelous Laurence Olivier as the blind dying father and
Alan Bates as the son. Catch it if you can, it's wonderful. Serious topics
tempered by lovely humor. (We own this on dvd.)

Shirley Valentine! How I love that film. And it was written by Willy
Russell, who also wrote the great screenplay for Educating Rita...

(I think we'll watch some movies tonight ;-)

Annie


Joan in GB-W

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Mar 26, 2008, 7:04:20 PM3/26/08
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">
> It was years before I realized Mortimer didn't originate the term 'She Who
> Must Be Obeyed'.
>
> Cheryl

Many moons ago when I was a child, I played in a room which held a couple of
bookshelf belonging to my late father. He died half a year before I was
born. On that shelf were the complete works of H. Rider Haggard in a
matched set and a set of Encyclopedia Britannicas, and many other books. (I
might add here that my father with his 3rd grade education certainly liked
to read.) Over the years my mother sold or moved on in other ways the most
of those books. I regret that today. I would love to have the set of those
Haggard books - I do have one and that is "Lysbeth, A Tale of the Dutch."

Joan

Howard Duck

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Mar 26, 2008, 8:38:35 PM3/26/08
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On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:13:40 -0500, Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com>
wrote:

> > ....and Haggard's _SHE_ was based on a real person. Go here :-
> > http://www.vanhunks.com/lowveld1/modjadji1.html
> >
> > Dave in Toronto
>
> How very strange and interesting!

I saw the 1965 version of the movie with Christopher Lee and Peter
Cushing. Maybe I'll try the 1935 version with Randolph Scott - it
seems to have a better rating. They should make an authentic movie of
the real story. That would be more interesting than the novel based
on it.
--
Howard

Francis A. Miniter

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Mar 26, 2008, 9:27:05 PM3/26/08
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Howard Duck wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:13:40 -0500, Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> ....and Haggard's _SHE_ was based on a real person. Go here :-
>>> http://www.vanhunks.com/lowveld1/modjadji1.html
>>>
>>> Dave in Toronto
>> How very strange and interesting!
>
> I saw the 1965 version of the movie with Christopher Lee and Peter
> Cushing.

And Ursula Andress - don't forget her!

Francis A. Miniter

Howard Duck

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:27:05 -0400, "Francis A. Miniter"
<fami...@comcast.net> wrote:

> > I saw the 1965 version of the movie with Christopher Lee and Peter
> > Cushing.
>
> And Ursula Andress - don't forget her!
>
> Francis A. Miniter

Yes, and I have seen her a number of times, but for some reason her
characterizations have faded out of my memory. I'm sure I should
remember her role in Dr. No, but alas. I'll have to see that 007
movie again.
--
Howard

Fran Read

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Mar 27, 2008, 6:00:39 AM3/27/08
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> Many moons ago when I was a child, I played in a room which held a couple
> of bookshelf belonging to my late father. He died half a year before I
> was born. On that shelf were the complete works of H. Rider Haggard in a
> matched set and a set of Encyclopedia Britannicas, and many other books.
> (I might add here that my father with his 3rd grade education certainly
> liked to read.) Over the years my mother sold or moved on in other ways
> the most of those books. I regret that today. I would love to have the
> set of those Haggard books - I do have one and that is "Lysbeth, A Tale of
> the Dutch."
> Joan


Absolutely brilliant, weren't they? I was thoroughly entranced by these
books in my teenage years. It's such a shame that you don't have them any
more, Joan.
Fran (who occasionally likes to be obeyed too)


Fire Tiger

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Mar 27, 2008, 11:36:22 AM3/27/08
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Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote:
> I've been watching all the "Rumpole of the Bailey" series on discs.
> It's really quite enjoyable once you get into the characters.

What I have found interesting is, at the time we watched the series,
my nine-year-old niece and thirteen-year-old nephew loving the
series. Or rather loving Rumpole. Now ever so often (some two years
later), I hear one or the other quietly mumble in their best deep
rumbling voice, "She who must be obeyed." when their mother tells them
to take out the garbage, walk the dog, etc. When they catch me
hearing them whisper that, they smile, wink, and head off to do the
chore. Think about that. Rumpole has become part of their lives.
Fantastic.

> Horace Rumpole is an outrageous character belonging to a
> law office; a barrister who only likes to defend criminal types.

All great fictional characters are outrageous characters. Is James
Bond meek and mild? Is Monk normal? Is Hercules Poirot humble? Is
Sherlock Holmes not intense? Who wants to read about soggy white
bread main characters? Not I.

> Always quoting Shakespeare or Wordsworth.

And not just quoting to quote but quoting good and on the spot. So
many authors seem to reach for a book of quotations and don't know the
context of what they quote thus irritating those who are aware of the
context and how it isn't appropriate for what they're trying to
imply. "Let them eat cake" being the classic blunder.

> He is despised by judges and an embarrassment to the other
> members of his chambers. They are usually trying to retire

> him off and get rid of him...

He represents underdogs. Anyone going up against the State is an
underdog. To make Rumpole worthy to represent them (not to mention
firing up a related sub-plot that further illustrates the main point
of the story), Rumpole must also live the life of an underdog.
Everyone is against him and yet he prevails not only in court but in
life. And when Rumpole fails in court, he also fails in life.

> ...yet they each turn to him for sympathy or for help when


> they are having problems - he is always willing to help them
> out.

He is the sworn defender of the oppressed so when his oppressors
become oppressed, he can only do what he can only do and help them
too. However, he usually gets something for his efforts. ;-)

> Rumpole refers to his wife, Hilda, as "she who must be
> obeyed," quoted from Rider Haggard's "She."

I didn't realize this. However, it doesn't take away from the
classics-quoting Rumpole but further reinforces his character. Bravo,
Rumpole!

> Anyway, I have thoroughly enjoyed the series and would
> recommend it to anyone who is unfamiliar with it.

I would recommend that you then get the books on CD. The voice actors
that play Rumpole all do a good job of re-creating his deep rumbling
voice. The only thing I would recommend is listening to them while
you're in motion. Go for a walk, do the dishes, drive to work, etc.
I have found that when I listen to the books when just sitting,
Rumpole's deep rumbling voice tends to put me nicely to sleep.

While they do not make the TV series anymore (due to the death of Leo
Kern, who played Rumpole on TV), Sir John Mortimer (the author) still
is putting out new Rumpole stories. This last November, the latest
novel came out. "Rumpole Misbehaves" I bought it on CD, played it
while doing some long-distance driving, thoroughly enjoyed it, and
then donated it to my public library.

> The way the British legal system works (or used to work) is that
> barristers of the same chambers might be called upon to represent
> either the defense or the prosecution in criminal cases. I've never
> heard of a private law firm representing the prosecution in America.
> The same firm may also take on both the plaintiff and the defendant
> in civil suits, but in America I think that would be considered a
> conflict of interest.

Unlike in America, lawyers (barristers) in England are gentlemen (and,
in these modern times, ladies). That is what they view themselves as
and expect each other to be. That is what their courts expect and
demand of them. Given this, there is no conflict of interest with a
chamber representing both sides in a case since fair play, good
sportsmanship, and honor are done and followed by both sides.

And English barristers take this to an extreme that would be a very
foreign concept to American lawyers. Barristers cannot knowingly
represent a guilty party. The key word in that last sentence is
"knowingly". As long as the client doesn't confess their guilt to
their lawyer, the barrister can represent them. If the client
confesses to their barrister, the barrister can only help them get a
good plea bargain. Normally though if a client were stupid enough to
confess their guilt to their barrister, the barrister will make up
some excuse to excuse himself from the case so another barrister can
represent the client in court. This exact situation was dealt with in
"Rumpole and the Alternative Society".

And make no mistake. Rumpole is a gentleman through and through. Not
perhaps to a lying hostile witness or pro-prosecution judge in court
but everywhere else in life. But because he isn't always that in
court, Rumpole's fate is never to rise above being a "junior"
barrister and becoming a "Queen's Counsel" (or, as Rumpole likes to
say, "Queer Customer") since to become a QC, you have to have judges
nominate you. If judges had their way, the only fate for Rumpole
would be disbarment or at least forced retirement.

> Also, if one is charged with an offence, then one seeks council
> from what is called a solicitor, who then recommends a barrister
> to go to court before the "bar" on behalf of the accused.
> It may be that nowadays a solicitor is allowed to present a case
> before judge and jury, but apparently that was formerly not the case.

No, it is still the case. As stated above, barristers are gentlemen.
Being gentlemen, they do not dirty their hands with such an unsavory
crude activity as trying to get clients or begging to be paid by said
clients for their noble services. That distasteful activity must be
done by someone of lower class. Enter the solicitor.

> If the cases of the Old Bailey as shown on "Rumpole" are at all
> accurate, then the judge may argue points of the case as he
> sees fit, and is at liberty to question or cross examine witnesses
> as he pleases.

Just as are barristers so are judges. Gentlemen to the core that only
seek the truth. Given this, naturally they can help either side seek
this out. But reality is not always the same as ideals. Not all
barristers are gentlemen nor all judges. To make Rumpole a good
underdog, all the judges he goes up against are what we call in
America "hanging judges". However, do note that almost all of the
opposing barristers are gentlemen (or ladies) and act accordingly.

By the way, there is a newsgroup devoted to Rumpole. alt.fan.rumpole
Unfortunately, it has very low traffic. However, all it would take is
a few of the readers of this thread to bring it back to life. :-)

Scott

Howard Duck

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Thank you for an interesting and informative commentary. :-)
It is gratifying to see that there are others here who share an
appreciation for that old underdog who doesn't quail under the many
expressions of disapprobation.

When Rumpole is opposed in court by one of his colleagues, like
Ballard or Erskine-Brown, they look like they don't know what they're
doing there.

Portia is best of all. (What an appropriate name: Merchant of Venice)
She was in training for the bar, and the next thing I knew she was a
QC (in silk). Why would a classy lady like that want to marry a
Claude Erskine-Brown? Because he'll cook, do the dishes, and mind the
tots I guess(?). But it was a let down to see her get involved with
an ambitious young pretty-boy. My opinion of her dropped several
decibels.

Thanks again, Tiger.
--
Howard

erilar

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Mar 27, 2008, 3:45:17 PM3/27/08
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In article <bfKGj.3250$n8....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Fran Read" <fr...@southcom.com.au> wrote:

I have several Haggard books, but don't recall the one Joan
mentions. And I still have them 8-)



> Fran (who occasionally likes to be obeyed too)

It would be nice, but around here a certain Minischnauz gets to be
She except about swallowing pills.

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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

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Fire Tiger

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Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote:
> Thank you for an interesting and informative commentary. :-)

For how much help I get from this newsgroup when I ask questions or
for recommendations, it is the least I can do to try to repay my debt
to this newsgroup.

> When Rumpole is opposed in court by one of his colleagues,
> like Ballard or Erskine-Brown, they look like they don't know
> what they're doing there.

Deer caught in the beam of highlights. *laugh* But if you read/
listen to the books, Sir John explains it as their distaste for work.
Look at them all. They're far more concerned about jockeying for
social position within the legal community, getting laid by each
other, seeking promotions, and so forth than representing their
clients. The opposite of Rumpole. Great contrasts makes great
stories.

> Portia is best of all. (What an appropriate name: Merchant of Venice)
> She was in training for the bar, and the next thing I knew she was a
> QC (in silk).

First, "Portia" is the nickname Rumpole gave her. "The Portia of our
chambers." Her name is actually Phyllida Erskine-Brown. Maiden name
of Trant. We first get to know her when she was single.

Second, I think you skipped a lot in between those two roles by her.

Third, she is the best of their chambers (aside from Rumpole) and,
unlike Rumpole, is willing to play the game to get advanced. If you
read/listen to enough of the books you'll see that they see each other
in each other. Not identical but they share many of the same traits.
The main difference is Phyllida is willing to play politics and
Rumpole isn't.

Fourth, you have to understand that Sir John is making commentary on
modern-day life in his stories. Get "Rumpole Misbehaves" and you'll
clearly see him doing that. With Phyllida, Sir John is making a lot
of commentary on women in the workplace, affirmative action (done Brit
style), women's roles in society, and so forth.

> Why would a classy lady like that want to marry a
> Claude Erskine-Brown? Because he'll cook, do the
> dishes, and mind the tots I guess(?).

First, I think the main reason was that Claude was "liberal-minded"
enough to accept her as a wife and peer. She was always and still is
ambitious. She needed a man that would not try to keep her barefoot
and pregnant in the kitchen. I don't know if you've been to England
but it is very traditional in many many ways.

Second, she needed to be married to get advanced in the legal
profession. Single people are held in suspect and not viewed as
responsible enough to be a QC or eventually a judge. This is a point
that Sir John has had Rumpole make comment on more than a few
occasions.

> But it was a let down to see her get involved with
> an ambitious young pretty-boy. My opinion of her
> dropped several decibels.

You must understand that Sir John has used their mis-match marriage to
great effect in his stories. Get the books on CD and you'll see. No
one (not Phyllida, Claude, Rumpole, or Sir John) is blind to the match-
up. Sir John is using it as a lesson. Claude's wandering eye.
Phyllida's ambitions. Their marriage is a classic example of "Marry
in haste, repent at leisure". Look at where they are now. She's is
her husband's superior. She's a judge and he's only a QC. In such a
traditional society, that isn't the acceptable order of things. Not
only does Claude not like it, but neither does Phyllida.

Scott

Howard Duck

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David Matthews

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"Mike Burke" <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:52:42 -0230, "Cheryl P." <cper...@mun.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Liz
>>Probert, perhaps?
>
> Played in the series by Leo McKern's daughter, iirc. Luckily for her,
> she seems to have inherited her looks from her mother.
>
> Mique


At the height of his fame an actress on the London stage decided George
Bernard Shaw would make a good catch and wrote a letter to him proposing
marriage "With my beauty and your brains think of the children we would
have" she wrote. Shaw replied "... but madam what if our children were born
with my beauty and your brains."

Dave in Toronto

Jenni

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in article 6b16c03c-6d45-4770...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
Fire Tiger at Recreati...@gmail.com wrote on 3/27/08 5:04 PM:

>> Why would a classy lady like that want to marry a
>> Claude Erskine-Brown? Because he'll cook, do the
>> dishes, and mind the tots I guess(?).
>
> First, I think the main reason was that Claude was "liberal-minded"
> enough to accept her as a wife and peer. She was always and still is
> ambitious. She needed a man that would not try to keep her barefoot
> and pregnant in the kitchen. I don't know if you've been to England
> but it is very traditional in many many ways.

Actually, IIRC, the main reason was that she got pregnant. This was fairly
early on in the series, when they would have been expected to get married.


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Jenni

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in article 47ecc6f1$1...@news.bnb-lp.com, Cheryl P. at cper...@mun.ca wrote on
3/28/08 6:22 AM:


> Rumpole often takes young female lawyers under his wing, teaching them
> the tricks of the trade - although he's not above using those same
> tricks against them in court. I liked the woman he got into chambers
> with the implication that she was connected to someone important, and of
> course the more solemn senior members of chambers were shocked when it
> turned out that her prominent relative was her radical left-wing
> politician father! She, of course, hadn't the slightest idea that
> Rumpole was using the senior members' snobbery to benefit her. Liz
> Probert, perhaps?>>

"Mizz Liz," yeah.


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Howard Duck

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:22:33 -0400, Jenni <Jenn...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> in article 6b16c03c-6d45-4770...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
> Fire Tiger at Recreati...@gmail.com wrote on 3/27/08 5:04 PM:
>
> >> Why would a classy lady like that want to marry a
> >> Claude Erskine-Brown? Because he'll cook, do the
> >> dishes, and mind the tots I guess(?).
> >
> > First, I think the main reason was that Claude was "liberal-minded"
> > enough to accept her as a wife and peer. She was always and still is
> > ambitious. She needed a man that would not try to keep her barefoot
> > and pregnant in the kitchen. I don't know if you've been to England
> > but it is very traditional in many many ways.
>
> Actually, IIRC, the main reason was that she got pregnant. This was fairly
> early on in the series, when they would have been expected to get married.

I remember now. You are correct. I am the only member of my
immediate family who has never been to England. In fact I have a
daughter who lives there.

I think it is their traditional values that make their shows enjoyable
to me. However, the more recent crime series like McCallum (Irish I
think), Murder in Suburbia, Wire in the Blood, Cracker (although I
usually like Robbie Coltrane), MI-5, Waking the Dead (my wife likes
this one), Prime Suspect, and others are just a little too much like
some recent American crime series for me. I prefer the "cozies" of
previous generations like Christie, Sayers, Graham, and many others
we've talked about here.
--
Howard

Howard Duck

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Just watched the 1935 version. The disc permits viewing in either
original black & white or with dubbed in color. The cheesy dialog put
me off and the story is greatly truncated. It is interesting to see a
young Randolph Scott who didn't look at all like a cowboy, and
couldn't do a decent job of delivering his lines. Also interesting
was Nigel Bruce not in his usual bumbling role as Dr. Watson. The
main attraction of the movie was the sacrificial ritual dance and
music by Max Steiner - I suppose it was elegant for the period, but
nowadays, who cares?
--
Howard

Rik Shepherd

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Coincidentally BBC7 (digital radio channel, nothing to do with TV) has a 13
part series, Rumpole of the Bailey, starting April 1st at 9am (with repeats
at 8pm and 1am). Available online at www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7 and follow the
'listen live' link on the right, or up to a week late via the 'listen again'
link on the left.


Fire Tiger

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Mar 29, 2008, 12:37:23 PM3/29/08
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On Mar 28, 5:22 pm, Jenni <Jenni...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> in article 6b16c03c-6d45-4770-a99d-d41591e01...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
> Fire Tiger at RecreationalPo...@gmail.com wrote on 3/27/08 5:04 PM:

>
> >> Why would a classy lady like that want to marry a
> >> Claude Erskine-Brown? Because he'll cook, do the
> >> dishes, and mind the tots I guess(?).
>
> > First, I think the main reason was that Claude was "liberal-minded"
> > enough to accept her as a wife and peer. She was always and still is
> > ambitious. She needed a man that would not try to keep her barefoot
> > and pregnant in the kitchen. I don't know if you've been to England
> > but it is very traditional in many many ways.
>
> Actually, IIRC, the main reason was that she got pregnant. This was fairly
> early on in the series, when they would have been expected to get married.

What episode was that?

And how was it played out? Was Phyllida pro-life? I could easily see
her being pro-choice and aborting it. If abort was an option, I
wonder what was the reason(s) for marrying Claude. What I gave is
what I have squeezed out of the series.

Scott

Fire Tiger

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Mar 29, 2008, 12:51:05 PM3/29/08
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"Rik Shepherd" wrote:
> Coincidentally BBC7 (digital radio channel, nothing to do with TV) has a 13
> part series, Rumpole of the Bailey, starting April 1st at 9am (with repeats
> at 8pm and 1am). Available online atwww.bbc.co.uk/bbc7and follow the

> 'listen live' link on the right, or up to a week late via the 'listen again'
> link on the left.

When going there, I couldn't find any listing for Rumpole of the
Bailey.

Scott

Annie C

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Mar 29, 2008, 2:16:18 PM3/29/08
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"Fire Tiger" <Recreati...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It's there. Scroll down and in left column click on the highlighted Crime
and Thrillers link (under 7 Drama). That will take you to the schedule.and
the Rumpole episodes are listed there. This is direct link to that schedule.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/drama/crimethrillers.shtml

(In last week's Listen Again, there's some Sherlock Holmes to listen to.
Episode 1 is on the Tuesday. ;-)

Cheers

Annie


Rik Shepherd

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Mar 29, 2008, 2:31:31 PM3/29/08
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Annie C wrote

> It's there. Scroll down and in left column click on the highlighted Crime
> and Thrillers link (under 7 Drama). That will take you to the schedule.and
> the Rumpole episodes are listed there. This is direct link to that
> schedule.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/drama/crimethrillers.shtml
>
> (In last week's Listen Again, there's some Sherlock Holmes to listen to.
> Episode 1 is on the Tuesday. ;-)

Not Conan Doyle though; they're episodes "inspired" by throwaway lines like
the one about Holmes solving a crime by measuring how far the parsley sank
into the butter.

Also they sound wrong to me because the actor who played Watson in the Radio
4 version of the entire Canon died and was, obviously, replaced by someone
else who didn't have the same voice.


Annie C

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Mar 29, 2008, 4:12:31 PM3/29/08
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"Rik Shepherd" <RikSh...@houseoftheSCAMPERINGorangemonkey.co.uk> wrote in
message news:47ee8aed$1...@news.bnb-lp.com...

| Annie C wrote
|
| > It's there. Scroll down and in left column click on the highlighted
Crime
| > and Thrillers link (under 7 Drama). That will take you to the
schedule.and
| > the Rumpole episodes are listed there. This is direct link to that
| > schedule.
| > http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/drama/crimethrillers.shtml
| >
| > (In last week's Listen Again, there's some Sherlock Holmes to listen to.
| > Episode 1 is on the Tuesday. ;-)
|
| Not Conan Doyle though; they're episodes "inspired" by throwaway lines
like
| the one about Holmes solving a crime by measuring how far the parsley sank
| into the butter.

Hah. 'Inspired' is probably not as good then as the original stories...


|
| Also they sound wrong to me because the actor who played Watson in the
Radio
| 4 version of the entire Canon died and was, obviously, replaced by someone
| else who didn't have the same voice.

That is disconcerting..

What I've been enjoying most is the "Ladies of Letters" - with Patrician
Routledge and Prunella Scales -- amusing & wonderful! Haven't heard these
show before. I love this link, so many entertaining programss... even old
Goon Shows -w/ Peter Sellers & Spike Milligan from the 50s! Thanks, Rik.

Annie


Fire Tiger

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Mar 29, 2008, 6:07:11 PM3/29/08
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"Annie C" <chern...@nevermindspring.com> wrote:
> This is direct link to that...

Much thanks for the link. This is definitely something I plan to
catch.

Scott

Jenni

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in article
e91fa10a-5345-4a0a...@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com, Fire
Tiger at Recreati...@gmail.com wrote on 3/29/08 12:37 PM:

Ah, OK, I'm going by the books themselves. I don't remember if the TV show
differed in that regard - and in any case, I definitely don't remember what
book/epsiode it was.

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