She was with a group of people talking to the mother of a woman that her cousin
wants to marry. The mother was trying to show her sophistication, and she
referred to a - and this is phonetic - "pre - fa -say". There was silence. She
said, "You know, the 'pre-fa-say' at the start of a book."
Francis A. Miniter
And at the end of the book is the "E-pile-o-goo"?
--
Kat Richardson
Greywalker (Roc, 2006)
Website: http://www.katrichardson.com/
Bloggery: http://katrich.wordpress.com/
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>Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>> A friend of mine just told me this one.
>>
>> She was with a group of people talking to the mother of a woman that her
>> cousin wants to marry. The mother was trying to show her
>> sophistication, and she referred to a - and this is phonetic - "pre - fa
>> -say". There was silence. She said, "You know, the 'pre-fa-say' at the
>> start of a book."
>>
>>
>> Francis A. Miniter
>
>And at the end of the book is the "E-pile-o-goo"?
And that big middle part is what? Ignored?
John P
When I worked at the library a patron asked for a book that had the word
"pan-Ay-she-uh" in the title (wish I could recall what it was) and I did
figure out what she meant.
So she wanted a panacea book from the li-berry?
Her mis-pro-nown-see-ay-shun may have just been an ek-speer-uh-mint to see
if you were paying attention. :o)
Annie
> And at the end of the book is the "E-pile-o-goo"?
Some books sure are.
--
Lymaree
"What was that... middle bit, again?"--Kevin Kline, A Fish Called Wanda.
Panache?
--
Mitchy
When I was a kid, some TV crime show (Mannix? Cannon? Streets of San
Francisco? Something like that) used to put up a title card at the end of
the show that said "Epilogue." I pronounced it Epi-log-we.
--
Bev Vincent
www.BevVincent.com
I still feel a bit embarassed for a young science teacher in high school who
was discussing "deb-riss" in the water. Thank goodness she didn't tackle
"flotsam and jetsam." She was enthusiastic and very new, and just hadn't
connected the word debris with its pronunciation.
A radio guy was talking about how he found out what "horse-de-vores" were
when reading a restaurant's advertising. Again, he'd heard the word, just
never connected it to the spelling.
I've heard "dour" pronounced "dower" and "do-er." My head wants to say
dower, but most of the time I hear it as do-er. There are a lot of words
that one rarely hears in real life, mostly because avid readers collect more
words than those who find reading (particularly fiction) a waste of time.
kat >^.^<
in Wisconsin
Close -- panacea. I guess she'd seen ads promoting a cure for rosacea and
logically assumed the two words were pronounced the same.
--
M'Lou
> Oh, I was much simpler in my mistakes.
Mine were simple too. :)
Imagine as a four year old hearing "Jingle Bells" and picturing half a
horse during the "one horse open" sleigh part.
--
Barbara
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
there's a TV clip that keeps being shown over here with a you girl
referring to a motor car race a 'the grand pricks".
JimB
>
>
>
When my brother first learned to read, he liked to read everything (come
to think of it, he still does) and once when we were in the car he saw a
sign and informed Mom that he wanted to go play at Parallel Park.
Mary
I believe that "do-er"--with a bit of a rolled Scottish r at the end--is
more authentic.
There are two words that I pronounce differently from most people I know:
scone and sauna. When I was first introduced to scones, in England, it was
pronounced "skAHn," and it's hard for me to pronounce it differently,
despite the fact that people look at me strangely. Sauna is supposed to be
pronounced SOWnah (with the first syllable sounding like the word for a
female pig, folled by a slight hesitation). My father, the 100% Finn, is my
authority on this one. SAWnah is WRONG!!
Ya, hey dere. That's how the old yoopers (who still have a SOWna in their
back yard) say it.
I was brought up saying Nah-Fuhk, VA, but over the years, the newscasters
and politicos have trained the locals to say it differently, with less
"fuhk" and more "foke." It was fairly gradual, but if you lived there, you
just sort of segued to the new pronunciation, I guess. Being that I live
1,200 miles away, I don't have as much reason to correct myself over 30
years, so I notice a significant difference.
kat >^.^<
in Wisconsin
Ah, yes. They had such a nice motto. "We don't drink, nor smoke.
Norfolk".
Mary
>
Rose
In history I replied to a question, saying " . . . Eye-taliens . . ."
Wow, the nun teaching the class slammed her book shut (she was very
dramatic) and said to me in a very loud voiver, "Well, Miss Kapp, I suppose
the EYE-taliens come from EYE-taly. It was a mistake I never made again.
But this one was more embarrassing. In religion I was akded to read a few
lines, and the word psalm was in one of the lines. Well, when I pronouncked
it pa-salm, the room erupted in laughter, and I was very embarrassed!
Joan
Beverly Cleary's "Beezus and Ramona" books are so much fun, if you haven't
read them, even adults (or at least the adults in my family at the time)
enjoy them.
Five year old Ramona (the youngest member of the family) has learned "the
Star Spangled Banner" in kindergarten, and one evening when twilight was
approaching, she tells her father to turn on the "dawnzer"
She's mortified when her father inquires what on earth she is talking about
and discovers that she interpreted the lyrics of the National Anthem to
refer to a "dawnzerly" light.
--
A R Pickett aka Woodstock
"Sometimes the facts threaten the truth"
Amos Oz, prize winning Israeli author
Read my book reviews at:
http://www.booksnbytes.com/reviews/_idx_ws_all_byauth.html
Now blogging!
http://www.journalscape.com/woodstock/
Remove lower case "e" to respond
I was in Catholic school in 7th grade. I had been absent for a few days and
when I came back the religion teacher gave a quiz, telling the class to write an
essay on, well, I heard "fate". She apparently said "faith". So I guess my
essay on determinism was not quite what they were looking for.
Francis A. Miniter
SAWnah is wrong? Who knew?
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003043.html
Seems to be a matter of some controversy.
Dunno, I've never ever heard it pronounced otherwise.
I don't speak Finnish, so if I were to change my pronunciation now to
SOWnah, no one would know what I meant. Unless, of course, they happened to
be a Finn. :o)
Annie
Johnny Carson used to tell one on himself from his first broadcasting
job - reading the news on the radio in Omaha at o'dark thirty in the
morning for the farmers in the rural areas. Johnny was a city boy, and
not familiar with farm-speak, so when he read the futures report, along
with corn futures and soybean futures, he announced "ee-wees" futures -
since that was how he figured you pronounced "ewes."
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
I don't know, but somewhere in that book, theres a "climb-axe".
My favorite of favorites is "irregardless". Next is nuke-you-ler.
Sounds like an Irish nun.
That is one of my favorites too. However, I've told several people it is
not a word and now Merriam-Webster says I'm wrong. Lois
irregardless
One entry found.
irregardless
Main Entry:
ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation:
\?ir-i-'gärd-l?s\
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th
century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of
usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark
about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It
is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to
time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is
still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
It's just a matter of an iffy diphthong, Annie. And yooper-speak does have
a Finnish background, ya know.
Have you ever heard Garrison Keillor's "The Finn Who Would Not Take A
Sauna"? http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/19970111/index.shtml
It's not that he couldn't, it's that he did not wanna.
kat >^.^<
in Wisconsin
> > I've heard "dour" pronounced "dower" and "do-er." My head wants to
> > say dower, but most of the time I hear it as do-er. There are a lot
> > of words that one rarely hears in real life, mostly because avid
> > readers collect more words than those who find reading (particularly
> > fiction) a waste of time. kat >^.^<
> > in Wisconsin
>
> I believe that "do-er"--with a bit of a rolled Scottish r at the end--is
> more authentic.
I thought it was a sort of weird diphthongy vowel, almost like the
French "dure" (hard) crossed with "do-er" -- very distinctive in a
hard-to-pin-down way. Must ask my Scottish friend -- probably
see her in the gym later.
> There are two words that I pronounce differently from most people I know:
> scone and sauna. When I was first introduced to scones, in England, it was
> pronounced "skAHn," and it's hard for me to pronounce it differently,
> despite the fact that people look at me strangely. Sauna is supposed to be
> pronounced SOWnah (with the first syllable sounding like the word for a
> female pig, folled by a slight hesitation). My father, the 100% Finn, is my
> authority on this one. SAWnah is WRONG!!
I got bopped on for this one by a Finno-American colleague way back
when, but have longsince quit fighting the way it's said here. Went to
Finland once, for a fantasy fiction type bash, and along the way got to
sit in the SOW-na with a bunch of other naked ladies, getting way
drunk and whooping up a storm of jokes and stories. Then, outside
again, they all reverted to their shy, quiet selves. No wonder they
love their sauna!
Suzy
> "greenbanks" <green...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:54urljF...@mid.individual.net...
> | "Francis A. Miniter" <min...@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
> | news:45ea22b8$1@kcnews01...
> | >A friend of mine just told me this one.
> | >
> | > She was with a group of people talking to the mother of a woman that her
> | > cousin wants to marry. The mother was trying to show her
> sophistication,
> | > and she referred to a - and this is phonetic - "pre - fa -say". There
> was
> | > silence. She said, "You know, the 'pre-fa-say' at the start of a book."
> | > Francis A. Miniter
> |
> | When I worked at the library a patron asked for a book that had the word
> | "pan-Ay-she-uh" in the title (wish I could recall what it was) and I did
> | figure out what she meant.
> |
>
> So she wanted a panacea book from the li-berry?
> Her mis-pro-nown-see-ay-shun may have just been an ek-speer-uh-mint to see
> if you were paying attention. :o)
>
> Annie
Hey, at least somebody taught these folks to sound out a word,
however incorrectly. People schooled in the infamous and bitterly
stupid "look-say" (that is, words on flash cards, you just gotta
recognize each one) method wouldn't even get that far and would
probably just avoid attempting any word they couldn't "look-say".
I am told that our educational establishment has, after about 50
years of blithering nonsense about this, returned to teaching
reading phonetically.
Suzy
Have you taken items out of the freezer to unthaw?
kat >^.^<
in Wisconsin
One type which doesn't surprise me, but happens all the time is
"anymore" and "any more" used interchangeably. They're really not in
my mind; see: http://alt-usage-english.org/anymore.html
But at least it's not egregious, and some don't even consider them to
be errors if used interchangeably.
--
Wes Struebing
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
(hangs head in humorous shame. Time was, as I approached my circle of
friends in college, I saw something out the snack bar window. So, I
pronounced "prithee" as it looks, forgetting that it is a elision of
sorts...)
Ah, but after you sat in the sauna and got nice and hot did you go jump
through the hole in the ice into a frozen lake? It's not a real sauna
otherwise.
Mary
Been there, done that.
I use Poe as my guide on this. You know, as in "Quoth the Raven anymore."
Wasn't it P. T. Barnum who said, "There's one born every minute."
Joan
Really? Yikes! We heard on the radio of several fundraisers for charity at
local lakes that were doing just that this weekend As you will note, I was
NOT a participant. Nope. And I've no plans to join any of our local Polar
Bear Clubs either (Don't care for saunas either. Sweated enough for a
lifetime living thru summers in Mississippi :o)
http://www.worldisround.com/articles/260779/photo18.html
I'mmm shivvvverinnnng jjjusttt lllookkking attt ttthhhose pppics....brrr.
Annnnnieeee
Hmmm. Thought that was Patricia Cornwells' publisher. No?
Annie <g>
Dear Abby,
My *husband makes me crazy when he insists that mayonnaise is pronounced:
May-uh-nay.
I say - No, it isn't.
It's may-uh-neyz.
Who's right?
He's maintained for over 38 years that I'm wrong.
Useless to try to re-train him to just say mayo.
Even stranger yet, he actually prefers Miracle Whip!
Please help,
Annoyed in Illinoise
*admittedly, he does have a few other redeeming qualities :o)
You might be surprised. The heat from the sauna and the cold from the
lake combine for a sort of shock to your system that leaves you not
feeling the cold much -- once you get past the first jump in the lake.
It's not something I do regularly, mind you, but it was a cool
experience.
Mary
> I am told that our educational establishment has, after about 50
> years of blithering nonsense about this, returned to teaching
> reading phonetically.
Not as much as you would think. A lot of districts say they are using a
"balanced approach" between teaching with whole language and teaching
phonics, but when I observe, I see a lot more whole language than phonics
in Philadelphia at least....
--
Cathy F
"We love to buy books because we believe we're
buying the time to read them."
Some years ago I heard a female comedian whose routine was about her
Irish boyfriend. When she was going through some problems, trying to
decide what she should do, he told her that she was the "otter of her
own fate." I still giggle when I think of it.
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I had a friend in Vermont who lived in an old farmhouse, with a wood
burning stove sauna about a hundred yards from the main house. It was
common to chop wood in the sauna to keep the heat up, then go outside
and roll around in the snow, naked. It felt good.
John P
> To my eternal humiliation, I once pronounced carafe as car-a-fay.
> You've got to admit that it sounds classier.
> Sue D.
The reverse of that is my mother, who always refers to the platter of raw
veggies served at parties as crood-its.
--
Jenni :-)
"Am I the only one who just wants to play hopscotch, bake cookies, and
watch The McLaughlin Group?"
-- Lisa Simpson
Ann in Ottawa
(where it is forecast to be -23 tomorrow night, but it has warmed up enough
that some turkey trying to driveacross the Ottawa river tje other night
broke through the ice (which is why we don't have polar bear swims here --
too much ice to chop through))
> Here in Oz, probably the most famous beach in the country - although
> not necessarily the best, depending entirely on your personal tastes -
> is Bondi (say bond-EYE if, for you, it's not all that famous either).
> They have an ocean pool there at one end of the beach, and it is the
> home of the Bondi Icebergs, an enthusiastic horde of absolute
> masochists who, in the depths of winter, clutch huge blocks of ice to
> their chests and jump right in and proceed to frolic as if it were
> high summer. Sane people point and laugh. :-)
>
> Mique
We'll take your word for it. :)
Annie
>
>Have you taken items out of the freezer to unthaw?
>kat >^.^<
>in Wisconsin
>
My daughter and I (and now her son and I) used to take things out of
the freezer to 'dethaw'. We'd always giggle, but somehow unthaw
sounds almost as correct as dethaw. It doesn't matter that they're
opposite in meaning to what's really happening.
--
r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.
My husband and I both referred to Yosemite and Yos ee mite when
speaking, back in our childhoods. We only knew the word Yo sem itty
from hearing it, not associating it with what we'd read. Finally,
for each of us, we got it all together, but when we grew up, met, and
wed, we finally discovered we had that in common.
>Cheryl Perkins wrote:
>> I like to think I've improved, but there was a time when my reading
>> vocabulary was so much larger than my speaking vocabulary that I knew
>> quite a few words that I'd never actually heard anyone say, and of
>> course I never looked them up in a dictionary because that would slow down
>> my reading. I guessed at the meaning from context and moved on. I came up
>> with some great mispronounciations that way, and so did my next-youngest
>> sister. There was frag - gill- eh, in-it-ee-al, izz-land, and my favourite
>> (actually my sister's word) high-ro-goff-eh-lees (hieroglyphics).
>>
>>
>Oh, I was much simpler in my mistakes. Trying out for a play in the 7th
> grade, I chirped "Oh, how chick!" in describing a dress. I was
>mortified as my teacher and half the class collapsed in laughter. I
>wonder what words I read now and still mentally mispronounce.
>Sue D.
Look how many people who use the 'Net think that people gather in
exclusive 'clicks', and feel better.
>Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>> A friend of mine just told me this one.
>>
>> She was with a group of people talking to the mother of a woman that her
>> cousin wants to marry. The mother was trying to show her
>> sophistication, and she referred to a - and this is phonetic - "pre - fa
>> -say". There was silence. She said, "You know, the 'pre-fa-say' at the
>> start of a book."
>>
>>
>> Francis A. Miniter
>
>Johnny Carson used to tell one on himself from his first broadcasting
>job - reading the news on the radio in Omaha at o'dark thirty in the
>morning for the farmers in the rural areas. Johnny was a city boy, and
>not familiar with farm-speak, so when he read the futures report, along
>with corn futures and soybean futures, he announced "ee-wees" futures -
>since that was how he figured you pronounced "ewes."
The one that embarrassed me most was at a family gathering at my
grandmother's house. I was upset and said that something gave me a
feeling of ax en nee. Nothing like a case of ignorance combined with a
bit of reading dyslexia to turn anxiety into that. Unfortunately the
aunt with the not too bright daughter was right there to be first to
laugh.
You twisted my arm. A friend sent me this one this afternoon.
Fran
Two priests decided to go to Hawaii on vacation. They were determined to
make this a real vacation by not wearing anything that would identify them
as clergy. As soon as the plane landed they headed for a store and bought
some really outrageous shorts, shirts, sandals, sunglasses, etc.
The next morning they went to the beach dressed in their "tourist" garb.
They were sitting on beach chairs, enjoying a drink, the sunshine and the
scenery when a "drop dead gorgeous" topless blonde in a thong bikini came
walking straight towards them. They couldn't help but stare.
As the blonde passed them she smiled and said "Good Morning, Father ~ Good
Morning, Father," nodding and addressing each of them individually, then she
passed on by.
They were both stunned. How in the world did she know they were priests?
So the next day, they went back to the store and bought even more
outrageous outfits. These were so loud you could hear them before you even
saw them! Once again, in their new attire, they settled down in their chairs
to enjoy the sunshine.
After a little while, the same gorgeous topless blonde, wearing a different
colored thong, taking her sweet time, came walking toward them. Again she
nodded at each of them, said "Good morning, Father ~ Good morning, Father,"
and started to walk away.
One of the priests couldn't stand it any longer and said, "Just a
minute,young lady."
"Yes, Father?"
"We are priests and proud of it, but I have to know, how in the world do you
know we are priests, dressed as we are?"
She replied, "Father, it 's me, Sister Kathleen."
Gulp! Should I send this to my sister-in-law, the former nun?
If her name is Kathleen, I'd say go for it!
Fran
You mean the number of people, right?
Mary
:-)
And served them with dip, I hope?
Mary
As a child in catechism class, I thought that one of the sacraments was
Extra Munction. You know, like when you needed some more munction, you
opened your spare bottle of it?
Thanks for the article, Annie, it was fun!
Don't Go There. There's nothing that brings the ideologues out of the
woodwork faster than this one.
Good teachers have been using a combination of phonics and whole language
for a long time. I have a 17-yr-old, and he was never once taught by this
"look-say" method. Nor, thank doG, was he subjected to phonics drills.
Yeah, that's it. I don't know how to express it formally.
No, it feels wonderful. Well, I've never done the frozen lake, or the
roll-in-the-snow, but I have done the ice-cold shower. The sauna has to be
hot enough, of course....
> Here in Oz, probably the most famous beach in the country - although
> not necessarily the best, depending entirely on your personal tastes -
> is Bondi (say bond-EYE if, for you, it's not all that famous either).
Well, there you go. I always thought it was BONdee
That's one of my pet peeves, too. I thought I was alone! <G>
Yeah. That. But my brain wants to rhyme it with "sour."
kat >^.^<
in Wisconsin
--
Cathy F
"We love to buy books because we believe we're
buying the time to read them."
How about jobs that offer 'perks'?
That's the coffee, silly!
>I like to think I've improved, but there was a time when my reading
> vocabulary was so much larger than my speaking vocabulary that I knew
> quite a few words that I'd never actually heard anyone say, and of
> course I never looked them up in a dictionary because that would slow down
> my reading. I guessed at the meaning from context and moved on. I came up
> with some great mispronounciations that way, and so did my next-youngest
> sister. There was frag - gill- eh, in-it-ee-al, izz-land, and my favourite
> (actually my sister's word) high-ro-goff-eh-lees (hieroglyphics).
>
The one I remember embarrassing myself by saying aloud (probably in junior
high) was epitome. It looked like ep-i-toam to me so that's how I said it.
I'd heard the word but never associated it with what the written version.
Jill
And peanut butter.
Joan
I know someone who every morning takes a hot shower and while
showering rubs ice cubes over his body. Weird eh! but I tried it once
and found it quite invigorating.
Dave in Toronto
> Not sure about that. I remember stuffing celery with cream cheese....
No, no, peanut butter (or is that one word?).
Fran Read wrote:
I love it.
Francis A. Miniter
> Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>
>>
>> I was in Catholic school in 7th grade. I had been absent for a few
>> days and when I came back the religion teacher gave a quiz, telling
>> the class to write an essay on, well, I heard "fate". She apparently
>> said "faith". So I guess my essay on determinism was not quite what
>> they were looking for.
>>
>>
>> Francis A. Miniter
>
>
> Sounds like an Irish nun.
To be sure. I think all the nuns I had in Connecticut had come from Ireland.
Francis A. Miniter
Oh, yes! I remember it well. Probably why I now dislike both celery and
Cheez Whiz.
And how about hot dogs stuffed with chiz wheeze, wrapped in bacon, and
baked! Great Saturday night supper!
Ann
Wow, and how healthy is that?
Joan (drooling)
>
>"Lauradog" <laur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:55125pF...@mid.individual.net...
>| To my eternal humiliation, I once pronounced carafe as car-a-fay.
>| You've got to admit that it sounds classier.
>| Sue D.
>
>Dear Abby,
>My *husband makes me crazy when he insists that mayonnaise is pronounced:
>May-uh-nay.
>I say - No, it isn't.
>It's may-uh-neyz.
>Who's right?
>
>He's maintained for over 38 years that I'm wrong.
>Useless to try to re-train him to just say mayo.
>Even stranger yet, he actually prefers Miracle Whip!
>
>Please help,
>
>Annoyed in Illinoise
>*admittedly, he does have a few other redeeming qualities :o)
>
Hard telling, Annie. I'm from Illinoi(silent "S"! that one gets my
goat), and always pronounced it as you did, with the "Z" sound.
Is dear Hubby from the Land of Lincoln, too? Or a transplant?
--
Wes Struebing
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
>How about La Jolla? It took me embarrassingly long to figure out that that
>was the same city as "La Hoya."
<snickers> You mean that fighter's name isn't Oscar de la Jolla?
>Cheez Whiz.
Gesundheit! (and you beat me to it...)
Honestly, Ann, I can feel my arteries hardening just reading about it.
Mary
Where abouts in IL are you from, Wes?
He's from Chgo too, though an indigenous Nort-sider. I was the
Sowt-west-side transplant.:)
.. and I know he does things like that now, just for the reaction he gets
everytime. Hehe.
Annie
who also used to say Sherbert and Expresso.
But I'm cured now. Except I cannot bring myself to say urr instead err. (as
in error, which I've been told is wrong by dear Mr May a nay..;o)
Annie
> I know someone who every morning takes a hot shower and while
> showering rubs ice cubes over his body. Weird eh! but I tried it once
> and found it quite invigorating.
There is a shower gel sold by Lush that is in little packets intended to
be frozen and rubbed over your body while showering. I've never had the
guts; I buy it in the bottle.