Raiders of the lost Grail
Brad Templeton
Raiders of the Lost Grail
A film review by Brad Templeton
Copyright? Why would I want to copyright it?
Capsule Review:
You will enjoy this movie, but do not expect a masterpiece.
In fact, it is literally a lot like watching "Raiders of the
Lost Ark" again. Raiders is a movie worth watching twice, so
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is worth watching.
Review:
I'm an Indy fan, and went with a whole crowd when Temple of Doom
opened at midnight, Wednesday morning a few years ago at the
University Cinema in Toronto. That was quite an experience, more
than a spectator sport than a movie, with whooping cheering crowds
of pure fans. But afterwards, like most people, Temple of Doom
left a bad aftertaste. There was action --lots of action -- but
little more.
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is better, but it also leaves
an aftertaste. It is almost exactly the same story as Raiders
of the Lost Ark. The direction is good, the acting is ok, the
general dialogue is fine -- but the story is completely
unoriginal (are you being unoriginal if you copy yourself?) and
that's bad.
George Lucas has delved in this sin before, ending two Star Wars
movies with the explosion of a Death Star. But the real climax
of "Jedi" was Luke's battle with the Emperor, not the destruction of
the Death Star, so that's ok.
Sean Connery is a welcome addition, as he usually is. The female
lead is lacking, as Kate Capshaw was. The opening sequence is
cute.
All in all a good movie, worth going to. But only because Raiders
of the Lost Ark was a great movie, worth going to again.
Side Note:
Oddly enough, while this film is set mostly in 1938, one year
before Raiders of the Lost Ark, it contains a few joke lines
which are only funny if you assume knowledge of the events of
that film. Watch for those.
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Conty
[Review of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade deleted for spoiler's sake]
> Oddly enough, while this film is set mostly in 1938, one year
> before Raiders of the Lost Ark, it contains a few joke lines
> which are only funny if you assume knowledge of the events of
> that film. Watch for those.
Opening sequence from each of the three movies:
1) Raiders of the Lost Ark: South America 1936
2) Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom: Shangai 1935 (?)
3) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: New Mexico 1938 (?)
If I'm not wrong, the chronological order for the movies is 2,1,3.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473
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>2) Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom: Shangai 1935 (?)
>3) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: New Mexico 1938 (?)
>
>Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
Your order is correct but the date of the opening sequence in IJ3 is
1912 I believe.
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>
>Opening sequence from each of the three movies:
>
>1) Raiders of the Lost Ark: South America 1936
>2) Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom: Shangai 1935 (?)
>3) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: New Mexico 1938 (?)
>
The opening sequence for Indy III was Utah, not New Mexico. (Specifically,
the very first scenes were at Arches National Park in Utah.)
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}Side Note:
} Oddly enough, while this film is set mostly in 1938, one year
} before Raiders of the Lost Ark, it contains a few joke lines
} which are only funny if you assume knowledge of the events of
} that film. Watch for those.
}--
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I thought Raiders was supposed to take place in '36...
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jes...@ihlpl.ATT.COM (Conty) writes:
>Opening sequence from each of the three movies:
>1) Raiders of the Lost Ark: South America 1936
This reminds me of one of the things that bothered me a lot
about this movie, the appearance of armed and uniformed nazis
in Egypt in 1936?!?
There were some great stuff in "Raiders", but every so often,
just as you were being carried along by the storyline and
suspending your disbelief like billyo, >>POP<<, something would
happen that would break the spell.
I'm not talking about the Ark - we were told that the Ark
existed and worked like it is described in the Old Testament...
OK, fine, lean back and accept that, as long as it's handled
properly (and it was haldled beautifully). Nor am I talking about
very long odds... I wouldn't care to try the fight on the moving
trucks, but I can accept that a very agile (and VERY lucky)
person might survive that. That's part of the spell, actually.
But out and out impossibilities that is not "explained",
somehow, breaks the spell. Like, there's just no WAY an human
being could survive being dragged from Egypt to somewhere in
the Aegean tied to the outside of a submarine. That's even if
the submarine didn't dive... and I can't get myself to believe
that they would've sailed to a SECRET base without diving...
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> In article <33...@looking.UUCP>, br...@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) writes:
> [Review of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade deleted for spoiler's sake]
> > before Raiders of the Lost Ark, it contains a few joke lines
> > which are only funny if you assume knowledge of the events of
> > that film. Watch for those.
>
>
This is correct; I checked my tape last night.
> 2) Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom: Shangai 1935 (?)
Not sure about this. I thought it was '31 or '33. However it was
definitely before Raiders.
> 3) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: New Mexico 1938 (?)
Well . . . The very opening was Utah in (I believe) 1912. But the
majority of the movie takes place in 1938, which does put it after
Raiders.
>
> If I'm not wrong, the chronological order for the movies is 2,1,3.
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
This, I believe, is correct.
>
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>>1) Raiders of the Lost Ark: South America 1936
>>2) Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom: Shangai 1935 (?)
>>3) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: New Mexico 1938 (?)
>>
>>If I'm not wrong, the chronological order for the ^^^^
>>Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>
>Your order is correct but the date of the opening sequence in IJ3 is
>1912 I believe.
In Utah.
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Brad Templeton
Ark, '39, Grail '38, but was wrong.
At any rate, the reverse brings up a question, which may cause
a very mild spoiler.
Why would the Nazis hire Jones after what he did to them in RotLA?
I would think Hitler would have standing orders to kill him. He took
their greatest prize from them under mysterious cirmustances.
Laurie Mann
> Okay, either I was imagining things, or the "X" disappeared from the floor when
> Indy was cracking a hole in the floor.... He goes up the steps and the X is
> white on the dark background. I thought to myself, Why couldn't he see that
> from the floor? And then in the pan shot of the floor while he was cracking
> it, the floor was entirely gray. Was the X a reflection or something that I
> missed? I said something to the person I was with, and he said, yeah, it's
> gone--but he didn't know if he had missed something, too.
I guess it was just bad direction. I also noticed the floor was gray
and the X was not to be found.
I found the mattes to be VERY inconsistent in this movie. I'm sure
the library stacks, for example, were mattes, though they looked pretty
real. On the other hand, the zeppelin effects weren't so hot.
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John S. Watson
In article <3...@iconsys.UUCP> da...@iconsys.UUCP (Danny Young) writes:
>
>The opening sequence for Indy III was Utah, not New Mexico. (Specifically,
>the very first scenes were at Arches National Park in Utah.)
Some of the opening sequence real scenes of the Arches National Park
with "mat" paintings (correct term?). One of the "matted" scenes was
of a large balanced boulder. Did this balanced rock really exist in 1912?
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Okay, either I was imagining things, or the "X" disappeared from the floor when
Indy was cracking a hole in the floor.... He goes up the steps and the X is
white on the dark background. I thought to myself, Why couldn't he see that
from the floor? And then in the pan shot of the floor while he was cracking
it, the floor was entirely gray. Was the X a reflection or something that I
missed? I said something to the person I was with, and he said, yeah, it's
gone--but he didn't know if he had missed something, too.
If some one knows the answer to this, please let me know!!
Vanessa
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> Spoiler warning I guess, but who hasen't seen this one by now :-) ?
> jes...@ihlpl.ATT.COM (Conty) writes:
>
> >Opening sequence from each of the three movies:
>
> >1) Raiders of the Lost Ark: South America 1936
>
> This reminds me of one of the things that bothered me a lot
> about this movie, the appearance of armed and uniformed nazis
> in Egypt in 1936?!?
The South American sequence took place in 1936, and set up the
relationship between Indie and the Frenchman.
The rest of it happened in 1939? (The British in Egypt at the
time probably owuld have objected, though... :} )
> There were some great stuff in "Raiders", but every so often,
> just as you were being carried along by the storyline and
> suspending your disbelief like billyo, >>POP<<, something would
> happen that would break the spell.
>
> But out and out impossibilities that is not "explained",
> somehow, breaks the spell. Like, there's just no WAY an human
> being could survive being dragged from Egypt to somewhere in
> the Aegean tied to the outside of a submarine. That's even if
> the submarine didn't dive... and I can't get myself to believe
> that they would've sailed to a SECRET base without diving...
Pre-Atomic submarines operated on the surface unless they
absolutely *had* to go under. They could operate upwards of
12,000 miles, at up to 20 knots on top. Submerged, they
could only operate for a few hours at something closer to
3-5 knots. Then their batteries pooped out.
Even the Med (which looks so small on the map) is a pretty
big place, and unless you're operating in shipping lanes,
you can go quite a while without seeing anyone. And air
travel at the time was pretty sparse.
On the other hand, sub crews during wartime spent as much time
topside catching rays as they could get away with. Which is
how many of them got nailed.
Maybe the crew was being punished by being denied tanning time?
John M. Adams
>[Spoiler Alert!]
>Some of the opening sequence real scenes of the Arches National Park
>with "mat" paintings (correct term?). One of the "matted" scenes was
>of a large balanced boulder. Did this balanced rock really exist in 1912?
Actually, when i saw the balancing rock, i instantly said "Colorado Springs,
Colorado, as there is a park there with lots of red boulders and rock
structures, including a large balancing boulder as in the movie.
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>
>In article <3...@iconsys.UUCP> da...@iconsys.UUCP (Danny Young) writes:
>>
>>The opening sequence for Indy III was Utah, not New Mexico. (Specifically,
>>the very first scenes were at Arches National Park in Utah.)
>
>Some of the opening sequence real scenes of the Arches National Park
>with "mat" paintings (correct term?). One of the "matted" scenes was
>of a large balanced boulder. Did this balanced rock really exist in 1912?
It is Balanced Rock, in Arches National Park, Utah (although there were
scenes from New Mexico including, I believe, the train chase scene). It's
probably been there for hundreds of thousands of years (insofar as I know,
no one put it there).
Re: Planes under zeppelins
These were used for mail and emergency dispatches. Remember that travel
by this form was quite slow and required overnight accommodation in
many cases, so it was usually a first class way to go. You could be
stuck up there for days so mechanisms existed for the transport of
mail, important business, and sick passengers. They had planes on
ships for the same purpose.
Sean McLinden
Decision Systems Laboratory
University of Pittsburgh
Sean McLinden
>But out and out impossibilities that is not "explained",
>somehow, breaks the spell. Like, there's just no WAY an human
>being could survive being dragged from Egypt to somewhere in
>the Aegean tied to the outside of a submarine. That's even if
>the submarine didn't dive... and I can't get myself to believe
>that they would've sailed to a SECRET base without diving...
Keep telling yourself, it's only a movie!
Actually, and some nautical types can correct me on this, you have
to remember that early subs had combination of internal combustion
and electric engines. Unlike atomic subs, which stay underwater for
days, older subs only battled submerged. On the surface, they used
diesel (which is also when they charged the batteries). If they are
going to use diesel power (which is faster), underwater they needed
to trail a snorkel on the surface. If there was no military activity
the area they would probably be content not to submerge.
Sharon Lynne Fisher
>Why would the Nazis hire Jones after what he did to them in RotLA?
>I would think Hitler would have standing orders to kill him. He took
>their greatest prize from them under mysterious cirmustances.
The Nazis didn't hire him. Donovan did. But in any case, there's something
to be said for dealing with people you don't like because of their
extreme competence. In addition, they had a big hold over him -- his father.
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>
> Spoilers be here....
>
>
> Okay, either I was imagining things, or the "X" disappeared from the floor
If you look carefully you can see the X is barely visable, but you can see it.
Mike Lollar
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Vernon Lee
I thought I had seen the same thing, but if you look carefully when he's
banging a hole in the floor, you can just barely make out the X. The
shades of gray differ only by the slightest amount, and I don't think I
could have seen it from the floor if I hadn't been looking for it. It is
there, however, and (obviously) from a higher viewpoint it becomes clear.
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Scott TCB Turner
In article <50...@pt.cs.cmu.edu> v...@h.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Vanessa Powell) writes:
>Okay, either I was imagining things, or the "X" disappeared
>from the floor when Indy was cracking a hole in the floor.... He
>goes up the steps and the X is white on the dark background. I
>thought to myself, Why couldn't he see that from the floor? And then
>in the pan shot of the floor while he was cracking it, the floor was
>entirely gray. Was the X a reflection or something that I missed?
If you look closely you can see the X in the second pan shot of the
floor, mainly because the X part looks like it has a different
texture. Some types of stone are like that, with different visual
characteristics when viewed up close.
-- Scott Turner
hedger@inmet
For me, the fact that 'impossible' things keep being done by Jones
is what makes it so fun ! I mean I think that's the idea of movies
like this and comic books and other escapist pastimes. Isn't it ?
Am I missing something ?
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< Why would the Nazis hire Jones after what he did to them in RotLA?
< I would think Hitler would have standing orders to kill him. He took
< their greatest prize from them under mysterious cirmustances.
I think it had a lot to do with the fact that the Ark eliminated all
of the witnesses. You would not expect the nazis running the expedition
to let their comrades know anything about their plans or tactics. I expect
that the leader wanted to present the Ark to hitler and not have anyone
mention that the majority of the work was done by someone else.
BTW: Anyone notice that the reason Donavan died was because he ignored
his own advice?
How did the men who attacked Indy in the Library know where his father
was?
In the end were the "Guardians of Zork" coming to life or was it just
my imagination?
John Eaton
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>Why would the Nazis hire Jones after what he did to them in RotLA?
>I would think Hitler would have standing orders to kill him. He took
>their greatest prize from them under mysterious cirmustances.
The Nazis didn't directly hire Indianna: Donovan did. As mentioned,
Donovan didn't think much of the nazis.
Also, it was the senior Jones who had the book. Donovan must have
suspected the younger jones might have it. Yo must admit, Jones WAS
the best person to go looking for the grail, and Donovan would have
known that...besides, the Nazis are not above using their enemies.
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>Why would the Nazis hire Jones after what he did to them in RotLA?
>I would think Hitler would have standing orders to kill him. He took
>their greatest prize from them under mysterious cirmustances.
Did ANY of the Nazi's survive, to tell about Jones involvement in RotLA?
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>
>Did ANY of the Nazi's survive, to tell about Jones involvement in RotLA?
Yes, lots of them. All the ones who fought him when he stole it in
the truck -- (other than the ones he killed there.) All the ones who
were at the Tanis camp and saw him sealed in the Well of the Souls.
The Nazis knew this:
A) Jones found the Ark, had it taken from him, and stole it
back to ship it on a boat.
B) A mission went out to recover the Ark from that boat.
(What that mission reported, we don't know)
C) All the Ark-finding crew, plus the complete submarine base
they were supposed to go to vanish off the face of the Earth.
D) Jones is found back and alive at his University. The Nazi's
greatest prize, in their hands, is gone.
I think they would be very curious, and out to get Jones.
Sean McLinden
Donovan, who was himself a collector ("I, myself, have a passion
for antiquities."), and who was driven to find the Grail should
have had so much difficulty making a choice.
These little inconsistencies plus bad special effects (there were
good ones, as well, but the bad one's were noticeable), and gratuitous
violence (did we REALLY need to see the Nazi's body as the tank
went over the cliff), made this less of a film than Raiders. Too
bad, since the characterizations of the principals was so enjoyable.
For space shots I think ILM wins it hands down, but for sheer
realism, I'd say that the effects by Richard Edlund (Ghostbusters,
Die Hard, Raiders), are better. This film certainly lacked his
touch and, especially, his restraint.
Sean McLinden
>
>
>>Why would the Nazis hire Jones after what he did to them in RotLA?
>>I would think Hitler would have standing orders to kill him. He took
>>their greatest prize from them under mysterious cirmustances.
>
>The Nazis didn't hire him. Donovan did. But in any case, there's something
>to be said for dealing with people you don't like because of their
>extreme competence. In addition, they had a big hold over him -- his father.
Besides, who besides Indy and Marion Ravenwood (what ever happened to her;
I would have liked to see her back in IJatLC), were the only ones to have
survived the opening of the Ark so who, among the Nazis, could have reported
what had happened!
>"Why should I let a loathsome little toad like you touch my breast
>when you haven't even read my books!"
Where is this from?
Lisa Goodwin
One thing that occured to me in the first movie, and again in the
second, is who teaches Indiana's classes when he takes off on these
adventures? I doubt they let him finish the quarter first. :-)
Lisa
Dave Alexander
In article <28...@cadre.dsl.PITTSBURGH.EDU>
se...@cadre.dsl.pittsburgh.edu (Sean McLinden) writes:
> What struck me as being most inconsistent in this movie was that
> Donovan, who was himself a collector ("I, myself, have a passion for
> antiquities."), and who was driven to find the Grail should have had
> so much difficulty making a choice.
I really don't understand what you're saying here.
I had to read "The Merchant of Venice" in 9th grade, so I feel confident
that *I'd* know how to pick the right one (assuming of course that I
realized that I was in a movie at the time) but let's assume that
Donovan read "Titus Andronicus" instead and ask "What knowledge would
his `passion for antiquities' impart to him that would help him make the
right choice?"
Even Indy didn't use any specialized knowledge to figure it out. Just
common sense. Unless of course he realized that he was in a movie.
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} Besides, who besides Indy and Marion Ravenwood (what ever happened to her;
} I would have liked to see her back in IJatLC)...
Well, I don't know what happened to Marion, but Karen Allen had some
major league conflicts with Spielberg, which is responsible for her
not appearing in either of the other films (rumor had it that this was
why they set TEMPLE earlier than RAIDERS -- to eliminate the possibility;
maybe they'd hoped by now everyone would've forgotten about her).
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>>"Why should I let a loathsome little toad like you touch my breast
>>when you haven't even read my books!"
>Where is this from?
A comic book, the name of which escapes me. Due to popular demand, next
time I go to the place that has that comic book, I'm going to remember to
modify my .signature file to give the author proper credit.
--
Joel Upchurch
>
> >Why would the Nazis hire Jones after what he did to them in RotLA?
> >I would think Hitler would have standing orders to kill him. He took
> >their greatest prize from them under mysterious cirmustances.
>
> The Nazis didn't hire him. Donovan did. But in any case, there's
> something to be said for dealing with people you don't like because of
> their extreme competence. In addition, they had a big hold over him --
> his father.
I also wonder how much the Ark episode the Nazis actually know? Consider
that all the major Nazi players died at the end, and that they didn't
want to report back, until they were sure that they had the tablets.
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Hans Rancke-Madsen.
>In article <47...@freja.diku.dk> ran...@freja.diku.dk (Hans Rancke-Madsen.) writes:
>>But out and out impossibilities that is not "explained",
>>somehow, breaks the spell. Like, there's just no WAY an human
>>being could survive being dragged from Egypt to somewhere in
>>the Aegean tied to the outside of a submarine. That's even if
>>the submarine didn't dive... and I can't get myself to believe
>>that they would've sailed to a SECRET base without diving...
>Keep telling yourself, it's only a movie!
That was precisely the problem! Here I was, enjoying a very
good story with lots of action and adventure, when, every so
often, some blunder would forcibly remind me that it was just a
movie! And not just small nits, which a good storyline will
help you ignore, but major blunders that I at least could not
get myself to overlook.
>Actually, and some nautical types can correct me on this, you have
>to remember that early subs had combination of internal combustion
>and electric engines. Unlike atomic subs, which stay underwater for
>days, older subs only battled submerged. On the surface, they used
>diesel (which is also when they charged the batteries). If they are
>going to use diesel power (which is faster), underwater they needed
>to trail a snorkel on the surface. If there was no military activity
>the area they would probably be content not to submerge.
As I said above, I think the sub would have used its capability
to submerge to approach this base. It's supposed to be SECRET!
But - leaving all that aside - perhaps some medical type
could tell us what condition somebody who has been dragged half
submerged from Egypt to the Agean would be in? That's what I
can't accept... mere luck can't explain that Indy survived that
experience.
Hans Rancke, University of Copenhagen
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>se...@cadre.dsl.PITTSBURGH.EDU (Sean McLinden) writes:
>
>>In article <47...@freja.diku.dk> ran...@freja.diku.dk (Hans Rancke-Madsen.) writes:
>>>But out and out impossibilities that is not "explained",
>>>somehow, breaks the spell. Like, there's just no WAY an human
>>>being could survive being dragged from Egypt to somewhere in
>>>the Aegean tied to the outside of a submarine. That's even if
>>>the submarine didn't dive... and I can't get myself to believe
>>>that they would've sailed to a SECRET base without diving...
>
>>to remember that early subs had combination of internal combustion
>>and electric engines. Unlike atomic subs, which stay underwater for
>>days, older subs only battled submerged. On the surface, they used
>>diesel (which is also when they charged the batteries). If they are
>>going to use diesel power (which is faster), underwater they needed
>>to trail a snorkel on the surface. If there was no military activity
>>the area they would probably be content not to submerge.
The sub would either dive, or continue on the surface. If it
dove, Indiana would be in trouble. If it stayed on the surface, it would
probably open its hatches for ventilation, and there would be people on
deck a lot of the time (subs back then were rather confined and stuffy)
Crews spent as much time on deck as they were allowed to. If they could
they even slept there!
About diving, it would depend on who could see the sub. No
satellite cameras, remember, and a random reconnaissance plane would
probably be heard or seen. Still, there is no harm in being sure...
I would have dived!
Chris Bertani
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< Why would the Nazis hire Jones after what he did to them in RotLA?
< I would think Hitler would have standing orders to kill him. He took
< their greatest prize from them under mysterious cirmustances.
I think it had a lot to do with the fact that the Ark eliminated all
of the witnesses. You would not expect the nazis running the expedition
to let their comrades know anything about their plans or tactics. I expect
that the leader wanted to present the Ark to hitler and not have anyone
mention that the majority of the work was done by someone else.
[Bleeeep] Wrong answer.
The reason the Nazis aren't upset over the Ark of the Covenant incident
is simple; it hasn't happened yet! "Raiders of the Lost Ark" takes
place in 1939, while "Last Crusade" takes place in 1938! Even Nazis
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no no no
go back and look at the movie again
indy goes up de steps and sees the X on the floor
goes back down to start digging and the X is still there
faint grey (gray) letter but still there
i saw it but the people I was with not see it
sorry don't wanna seem like a smartass know_it_all
early Harrison Ford roles
American Graffiti (spelling?)
hot rod drag racer i think he crashes and burns
The rain has stopped and the sun be out
Me 2.
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what the hey
richv
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not bad for a moron
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Steve Kanefsky
>The reason the Nazis aren't upset over the Ark of the Covenant incident
>is simple; it hasn't happened yet! "Raiders of the Lost Ark" takes
>place in 1939, while "Last Crusade" takes place in 1938! Even Nazis
But this really ruins the jokes which refer to the first movie, like where
he says he's sure about the painting on the cave being the arc of the
covenant (sp?).
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Matthew William Daly
> Ark Hans Rancke-Madsen.@frej (1999)
> As I said above, I think the sub would have used its capability
> to submerge to approach this base. It's supposed to be SECRET!
> But - leaving all that aside - perhaps some medical type
> could tell us what condition somebody who has been dragged half
> submerged from Egypt to the Agean would be in? That's what I
> can't accept... mere luck can't explain that Indy survived that
> experience.
As I understand submarines, it would ride on the surface whenever it
could. A submarine can be secret on the surface of the water in the
mid-1930's -- no satalites yet. As long as there are no ships nearby,
you're safe.
My question regards how Indy got OFF the base with the Arc? How did the
Allies know where to find him? Did he raid the sub base again? Did he
hijack a sub? Did the allies see the atmospheric phenomon and
investigate? If so, did the Nazi's notice it as well? Sure, it would
have been anticlimactic to show it, but they could have at least given a
cursory glance to the fact that Indy and Marion were possibly the only
people alive on the island at that point.
Before I forget to mention it, someone said a few weeks ago (I didn't
find the article again, and I don't want to fish through it) that
envelopes with windows didn't exist in 1938. According to Jeapardy on
Wednesday, they were invented in 1902. Sorry about that -- you lose
your gold star.
-Matthew