Jamie Lee Curtis (was Re: Male nipples)
Herb Huston
In article <3gr6ic$e...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
Julie K. Stahlhut <en...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
}
}>come up female. The genes kick in (that XX XY thing) and testosterone will
}>cause the genitalia to differentiate into the male format. With no
}>testosterone, the default is female external genitalia. If for some reason
}>the testosterone is not secreted or is blocked in a male, he will externally
}>be indistinguishable from a female, sometimes to the "rowr rowr" degree in
}>the case of Jamie Lee Curtis, supposedly an XY individual with defective
}>testosterone receptors (she still makes it). I also heard some rumors about
}>women athletes being disqualified in the Olympics because they tested as XY,
}>but they didn't know that's what they were.
}
}I believe Ms. Curtis has given birth to a child, which would lay that rumor
}to rest. (True Hollywood followers may have more accurate information on
}this than do I.)
Well, how about it, true Hollywood followers? Did Jamie Lee give birth or
adopt?
-- Herb Huston
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Ramona Boersma
Huston) wrote:
She adopted (source: People magazine). I've also heard that she might be
XXY? She's a woman, but I don't think she's fertile.
--
Ramona Boersma
Lisa M Portscher
She adopted her daughter and I heard from someone not usually interested
or aquainted with actors and/or their genetic malfunctions that she
does indeed have this "abnormality?" I think she was interviewed in
People magazine and talked about it....
Lisa Portscher
lmp...@world.std.com
Kathleen Hunt
>testosterone, the default is female external genitalia. If for some reason
>the testosterone is not secreted or is blocked in a male, he will externally
>be indistinguishable from a female, sometimes to the "rowr rowr" degree in
>the case of Jamie Lee Curtis, supposedly an XY individual with defective
>testosterone receptors (she still makes it). I also heard some rumors about
>women athletes being disqualified in the Olympics because they tested as XY,
>but they didn't know that's what they were.
The interesting thing is that, throughout their bodies, this type of XY
individual are sort of 'more female' than XX females. (With the exception
of not having the internal female ductwork: uterus, tubes etc.) Normal XX
females make a small amount of testosterone & related androgens, both from
their ovaries & their adrenal glands. And normal females' bodies respond
slightly to this normal, small amount of androgens, resulting in a slight
"male" influence: limb bones slightly shorter than they would otherwise
be, shoulders slightly broader, clitoris slightly larger, occasional chin
hair here & there, muscles slightly stronger, etc. But XY females' body
tissues won't respond to testosterone at ALL, and don't even have this
slight influence. Thus they can end up looking sort of super-female,
slender-bodied, long-legged, smooth-skinned, etc. XY females are more
common than you'd expect among models.
It's really ironic that XY females are prohibited from Olympic
competition, since they would actually be competing under a handicap -- they
don't get ANY of the muscular strength associated with testosterone, not
even the small amount that their XX female rivals get normally.
Just a random comment,
Kathleen
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Russell Stewart
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>If we increase the size of the penguin until it is the same height as
>the man and then compare the relative brain size, we now find that the
>penguin's brain is still smaller. But, and this is the point, it is
>larger than it *was*. (Monty Python)
This was written 25 years ago, but compare it to Ted's typical argument.
Spooky...
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Tim Walters
Kathleen Hunt <jes...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
}The interesting thing is that, throughout their bodies, this type of XY
}individual are sort of 'more female' than XX females. (With the exception
}of not having the internal female ductwork: uterus, tubes etc.)
[ Other interesting discussion deleted ]
I wonder if it's possible to have an XX female with blocked
testosterone receptors. Would these be "even more female" than XY
females? Or would they be, essentially, identical?
Just curious.
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Osmo Ronkanen
>>testosterone, the default is female external genitalia. If for some reason
>>the testosterone is not secreted or is blocked in a male, he will externally
>>be indistinguishable from a female, sometimes to the "rowr rowr" degree in
>>the case of Jamie Lee Curtis, supposedly an XY individual with defective
>>testosterone receptors (she still makes it). I also heard some rumors about
>>women athletes being disqualified in the Olympics because they tested as XY,
>>but they didn't know that's what they were.
>
>The interesting thing is that, throughout their bodies, this type of XY
>individual are sort of 'more female' than XX females. (With the exception
>of not having the internal female ductwork: uterus, tubes etc.) Normal XX
>females make a small amount of testosterone & related androgens, both from
>their ovaries & their adrenal glands. And normal females' bodies respond
>slightly to this normal, small amount of androgens, resulting in a slight
>"male" influence: limb bones slightly shorter than they would otherwise
>be, shoulders slightly broader, clitoris slightly larger, occasional chin
>hair here & there, muscles slightly stronger, etc. But XY females' body
>tissues won't respond to testosterone at ALL, and don't even have this
>slight influence.
I thought they do not produce testosterone as they do not have ovaries.
> Thus they can end up looking sort of super-female,
>slender-bodied, long-legged, smooth-skinned, etc. XY females are more
>common than you'd expect among models.
>
>It's really ironic that XY females are prohibited from Olympic
>competition, since they would actually be competing under a handicap --
Are they banned? I thought the Olympic committee has stopped using
gender tests.
> they
>don't get ANY of the muscular strength associated with testosterone, not
>even the small amount that their XX female rivals get normally.
>
>
>Just a random comment,
>Kathleen
>
>--
>If we increase the size of the penguin until it is the same height as
>the man and then compare the relative brain size, we now find that the
>penguin's brain is still smaller. But, and this is the point, it is
>larger than it *was*. (Monty Python)
Osmo
Richard Sharpe
: >With no
: >testosterone, the default is female external genitalia. If for some reason
: >the testosterone is not secreted or is blocked in a male, he will externally
: >be indistinguishable from a female, sometimes to the "rowr rowr" degree in
: >the case of Jamie Lee Curtis, supposedly an XY individual with defective
: >testosterone receptors (she still makes it). I also heard some rumors about
: >women athletes being disqualified in the Olympics because they tested as XY,
: >but they didn't know that's what they were.
:
: The interesting thing is that, throughout their bodies, this type of XY
: individual are sort of 'more female' than XX females. (With the exception
: of not having the internal female ductwork: uterus, tubes etc.) Normal XX
This would suggest that there is more to producting a female than the
suppression of the action of testosterone. Perhaps progesterone or some
other hormone is needed to start the internal 'female ductwork'.
Oops, of course it takes more to make a female :-) I guess I really
should try to get hold of that anatomy book someone suggested.
: females make a small amount of testosterone & related androgens, both from
: their ovaries & their adrenal glands. And normal females' bodies respond
: slightly to this normal, small amount of androgens, resulting in a slight
: "male" influence: limb bones slightly shorter than they would otherwise
: be, shoulders slightly broader, clitoris slightly larger, occasional chin
: hair here & there, muscles slightly stronger, etc. But XY females' body
: tissues won't respond to testosterone at ALL, and don't even have this
: slight influence. Thus they can end up looking sort of super-female,
: slender-bodied, long-legged, smooth-skinned, etc. XY females are more
: common than you'd expect among models.
Oh dear, now I will wonder about Elle for ever :-)
: It's really ironic that XY females are prohibited from Olympic
: competition, since they would actually be competing under a handicap -- they
: don't get ANY of the muscular strength associated with testosterone, not
: even the small amount that their XX female rivals get normally.
:
:
: Just a random comment,
Your random comments are very much appreciated from this quarter. That
reference on Hyaenas was excellent. Much of the material was way above
my abilities, but in reading it, I could get a sense of what they were
saying.
: Kathleen
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Mark Brandt
writes:
>This would suggest that there is more to producting a female than the
>suppression of the action of testosterone. Perhaps progesterone or some
>other hormone is needed to start the internal 'female ductwork'.
Actually, XY individuals lacking a functional androgen receptor still
make another hormone called Mullerian Inhibiting Substance, which
inhibits the development of the Mullerian duct structures. The default
*is* female, but more than simply elevated androgen levels are required
to prevent development of female characteristics.
Mark Brandt, Ph.D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
University of California at Irvine
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