Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
adam shah
>Question for you all. In "Last Crusade" when Indy and Elsa are
>entering Castle Brunwald (sp?) and the butler/doorman is hassling
>them, you can tell that one of his lines is looped. Specifically:
>
> Ind. Jns: Dear me, the man is dense. This is a castle?
> There are tapestries?
>
> Doorman: This is a castle. And we have many tapestries.
> But if you are a Scottish lord, then I AM MICKEY MOUSE.
Sorry I can't answer your question, but this scene has always bothered me
for another reason. I think it's an anachronism. I don't know when
Steamboat Willie came on the scene, but by 1940 (or whenever the movie
took place-we know it was before Dec 7, 1941) was Mickey famous enough for
a random Austrian butler to know him? Any Disney fans out there know the
answer?
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>In article <2imadf...@uwm.edu> cka...@watt.cae.uwm.edu (Christopher Allen Kalin) writes:
>>Question for you all. In "Last Crusade" when Indy and Elsa are
>>entering Castle Brunwald (sp?) and the butler/doorman is hassling
>>them, you can tell that one of his lines is looped. Specifically:
>>
>> Ind. Jns: Dear me, the man is dense. This is a castle?
>> There are tapestries?
>>
>> Doorman: This is a castle. And we have many tapestries.
>> But if you are a Scottish lord, then I AM MICKEY MOUSE.
>
>Sorry I can't answer your question, but this scene has always bothered me
>for another reason. I think it's an anachronism. I don't know when
>Steamboat Willie came on the scene, but by 1940 (or whenever the movie
>took place-we know it was before Dec 7, 1941) was Mickey famous enough for
>a random Austrian butler to know him? Any Disney fans out there know the
>answer?
>
Steamboat Willy appeared November 1928 and probably was internationally
recognized 10 years later. Some proof to this hypothesis can be found
in a 1931 Australian popularity poll which ranked Micky Mouse as the
#1 box office attraction in Australia. Though a case could be made that
Australia and Germany can not be compared due to language differences.
I think it's a fairly safe bet that Mickey Mouse was known in Germany by
the time that the Last Crusade was set.
Christopher Allen Kalin
entering Castle Brunwald (sp?) and the butler/doorman is hassling
them, you can tell that one of his lines is looped. Specifically:
Ind. Jns: Dear me, the man is dense. This is a castle?
There are tapestries?
Doorman: This is a castle. And we have many tapestries.
But if you are a Scottish lord, then I AM MICKEY MOUSE.
The capitalized part is the part that looks and sounds dubbed. In the
book, the line is "I'm Jesse Owens" but this doesn't seem to fit.
Whatever it was, it must have been something pretty insulting, because
Elsa immediately looks at the floor, as if she can no longer face the
butler.
My question: what was actually said?
Thanks.
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David Robert Jose Roy
> In article <2imadf...@uwm.edu> cka...@watt.cae.uwm.edu (Christopher Allen Kalin) writes:
>>Question for you all. In "Last Crusade" when Indy and Elsa are
>>entering Castle Brunwald (sp?) and the butler/doorman is hassling
>>them, you can tell that one of his lines is looped. Specifically:
>>
>> Ind. Jns: Dear me, the man is dense. This is a castle?
>> There are tapestries?
>>
>> Doorman: This is a castle. And we have many tapestries.
>> But if you are a Scottish lord, then I AM MICKEY MOUSE.
>
> Sorry I can't answer your question, but this scene has always bothered me
> for another reason. I think it's an anachronism. I don't know when
> Steamboat Willie came on the scene, but by 1940 (or whenever the movie
> took place-we know it was before Dec 7, 1941) was Mickey famous enough for
> a random Austrian butler to know him? Any Disney fans out there know the
> answer?
Mickey was already a Hollywood star by the late 1920s. I have
no idea what film distribution was like in Austria at the time (as far
as I know the country was far poorer than it is now), but assuming US
cartoons were shown there at all, and that he was a cinema-goer, he
would have known the Mouse.
David (who thinks this is far too serious/silly a question to be
asking about IJATLC).
The Rink
>> There are tapestries?
>> Doorman: This is a castle. And we have many tapestries.
>> But if you are a Scottish lord, then I AM MICKEY MOUSE.
>
>Sorry I can't answer your question, but this scene has always bothered me
>for another reason. I think it's an anachronism. I don't know when
>Steamboat Willie came on the scene, but by 1940 (or whenever the movie
>took place-we know it was before Dec 7, 1941) was Mickey famous enough for
>a random Austrian butler to know him? Any Disney fans out there know the
>answer?
Well, I believe Steamboat Willie came out in 1929, the very same year *sound*
came out. By 1940, Mickey Mouse was incredibly famous, and still climbing.
Also note that Steamboat Willie was not the first Mickey Mouse cartoon, by
any means -- just the first Mickey Mouse (and of all time) *sound* cartoon.
I think the line is perfectly feasible without it being anachronism.
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Christopher Allen Kalin
>> In article <2imadf...@uwm.edu> cka...@watt.cae.uwm.edu
>>>Question for you all. In "Last Crusade" when Indy and Elsa are
>>>entering Castle Brunwald (sp?) and the butler/doorman is hassling
>>>them, you can tell that one of his lines is looped.
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> David (who thinks this is far too serious/silly a question to be
>asking about IJATLC).
Thank you. :-) This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Indulge me.
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Peter Reiher
>>> Ind. Jns: Dear me, the man is dense. This is a castle?
>>> There are tapestries?
>>> Doorman: This is a castle. And we have many tapestries.
>>> But if you are a Scottish lord, then I AM MICKEY MOUSE.
>>
>>Sorry I can't answer your question, but this scene has always bothered me
>>for another reason. I think it's an anachronism. I don't know when
>>Steamboat Willie came on the scene, but by 1940 (or whenever the movie
>>took place-we know it was before Dec 7, 1941) was Mickey famous enough for
>>a random Austrian butler to know him? Any Disney fans out there know the
>>answer?
>
>Well, I believe Steamboat Willie came out in 1929, the very same year *sound*
>came out.
If this isn't in the frequently asked question list, it should be -
while the question of what was the first sound movie is complex, the
film that unquestionably ushered in the era of sound film was "The
Jazz Singer", from 1927. Its soundtrack mostly consists of background music
and songs, but Al Jolson ad libs a couple of lines, including what may
be the most prophetic line ever spoken on screen - "You ain't heard nothin',
yet!"
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>The Rink (s...@kepler.unh.edu) wrote:
>: >> Ind. Jns: Dear me, the man is dense. This is a castle?
>: >> There are tapestries?
>: >> Doorman: This is a castle. And we have many tapestries.
>: >> But if you are a Scottish lord, then I AM MICKEY MOUSE.
>: >
>: >Sorry I can't answer your question, but this scene has always bothered me
>: >for another reason. I think it's an anachronism. I don't know when
Mickey was a wold famous mega star by the early 1930's. Certainly anyone in
the western world would have not only know who he was, but would quite likely
have used his name in conversation just as in IJatLC.
>: Well, I believe Steamboat Willie came out in 1929, the very same year *sound*
>: came out. By 1940, Mickey Mouse was incredibly famous, and still climbing.
>: Also note that Steamboat Willie was not the first Mickey Mouse cartoon, by
>: any means -- just the first Mickey Mouse (and of all time) *sound* cartoon.
>: I think the line is perfectly feasible without it being anachronism.
>I thought that the line was particularly appropriate as Adolf Hitler was
>known to refuse to watch any movie that was not accompanied by a Mickey
>Mouse cartoon (Source: some biography of Walt Disney, the name of which I
>can't recall, but it's the one that portrays him as a business man first and
>artist second). Hence, I thought that was the intended reference, intended
>to be a semi-inside joke, but one that forshadowed what they found in the
>castle. At least, it did for me...
Another good point. Disney was quite popular with Adolf (I didn't think it
was a MM cartoon specifically, just a Merry Melody or other Disney product,
but I don't know.) Anyone who feels uncomfortable about that line just
doesn't know the history of Mickey Mouse. He was the Beatles, OK? That
might clear it up.
Dateline, Berlin 1968:
Ind. Jns: Dear me, the man is dense. This is a castle?
There are tapestries?
Doorman: This is a castle. And we have many tapestries.
But if you are a Scottish lord, then I AM JOHN LENNON.
Does that line, in that context, seem anachronistic? Would it be hard to
believe that a German in 1968 would know who John Lennon was?
By the way, I'm pretty sure this whole "question" is resolved in the FAQ...
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Eric Walker
AS>Sorry I can't answer your question, but this scene has always bothered me
AS>for another reason. I think it's an anachronism. I don't know when
AS>Steamboat Willie came on the scene, but by 1940 (or whenever the movie
AS>took place-we know it was before Dec 7, 1941) was Mickey famous enough for
AS>a random Austrian butler to know him? Any Disney fans out there know the
AS>answer?
Mickey Mouse's first theatrical appearance was in "Steamboat Willie"
in 1929. The cartoon was an immediate hit (it was the first sound
cartoon, with real dialogue and sound effects), and Mickey became an
instant star. His rise to stardom in the early 1930s was meteoric, so
much so that within three years his name (and face) ranked alongside
that of Charlie Chaplin as the most popular comedian in the world.
This may sound like the type of hype you might expect to hear from
modern-day Disney, which has elevated the image of Uncle Walt to the
status of the Holy Father Of Animation, but in this case it was true.
Mickey's success was phenomenal.
Hollywood's dominance of world cinema was substantial by that time,
because World War I had killed off nearly all of its European
competition (though Germany's UFA studio did well through the 1920s -
but it too died due to the effects of both the Great Depression, which
led to the Parufamet Agreement, and the Nazi takeover).
By the time 1938 (supposedly the date of LAST CRUSADE) rolled around,
therefore, a random Austrian butler would most likely know all about
Mickey Mouse.
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Eric Walker
SS>came out.
There had been experiments in sound in the years before "Steamboat
Willie" - with the most famous being Al Jolson in THE JAZZ SINGER, in
1927. That movie wasn't a true "talkie," in that it only had one song
where Jolson actually sang, but it was enough to prove the box-office
potential of sound.
SS>Also note that Steamboat Willie was not the first Mickey Mouse cartoon, by
SS>any means -- just the first Mickey Mouse (and of all time) *sound* cartoon.
Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks had made one cartoon before "Steamboat
Willie," called "Plane Crazy," but it wasn't released to theaters
until after the success of "Willie." Disney and Company added sound
effects to the cartoon to capitalize on the success of "Willie."
Because "Steamboat Willie" was the first theatrically released Mickey
Mouse cartoon, it's credited as being the "first" Mickey short film.
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