Tombstone vs Wyatt Earp
Dimi Everette
Earp wins, hands down, with more characterization and *much* better acting. I
like Kurt Russell as a person, appreciate his relationship with Goldie Hawn,
think he's cute, BUT the man should have stayed a child/teen actor. He just
doesn't have any strength of character. (Witness Stargate--great idea, awful
movie, no need for Russell at all.)
As for the Kilmer/Quaid thing--Quaid was far and away the better Doc Holliday.
He put his all, as they say, into the role and was much more believable. Kilmer
is a great actor and he was better in the movie than Russell, but he loses out
when comparing this role to Quaid.
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ID>Just rented Tombstone over the weekend.
ID>Earp wins, hands down, with more characterization and *much* better acting.
ID>like Kurt Russell as a person, appreciate his relationship with Goldie Hawn,
ID>think he's cute, BUT the man should have stayed a child/teen actor. He just
ID>doesn't have any strength of character. (Witness Stargate--great idea, awful
ID>movie, no need for Russell at all.)
ID>As for the Kilmer/Quaid thing--Quaid was far and away the better Doc Hollida
ID>He put his all, as they say, into the role and was much more believable.
ID>Kilmer
ID>is a great actor and he was better in the movie than Russell, but he loses o
ID>when comparing this role to Quaid.
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Have to agree! Kilmer wasn't bad but Quaid was outstanding, (did you
know he developed an eating disorder from starving himself for the role,
yikes!)
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Dearest Demi,
So sorry but I _do_ eat animals! Yikes! Imagine that. I am a NightMare,
huh?
Plus, I'm here to disagree with you on the Doc's of Holliday! Quaid was
NOT better than Kilmer. So, sorry! Just mho! Surely, you just don't
enjoy a fey performance...isn't that right John? :) There are different
versions of Doc. Some insist that he was hot tempered and crass. Others,
say he remained the blonde southern gentelman (we all know, he was harsh)
'til the end. I could believe either one. However, I much prefer to think
of Doc ... more like Val than Quaid. Not meaning any harm to Quaid's per-
formance. It was GREAT, too. No doubt.
I, like many others, enjoyed Wyatt Earp... but Tombstone is still my fav.
I still would have preferred KC as Wyatt than Russell. There should have
only been one movie. We could have been done with all the "stupid" looks
Russell gave. ICK-OCK! Has anyone ever looked that dumb....
NightMare
John R. Swaney
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>ID>Just rented Tombstone over the weekend.
>
>ID>Earp wins, hands down, with more characterization and *much* better
acting.
>
(SNIP, SNIP)
>Have to agree! Kilmer wasn't bad but Quaid was outstanding, (did you
>know he developed an eating disorder from starving himself for the role,
>yikes!)
>
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Here we go again! Why is there this compulsion, especially in this
newsgroup, to make these final, absolute, no-quarter-given-or-taken,
judgments? "Earp is absolutely better!" "Quaid is absolutely better!"
Why can't we be satisfied to recognize that _both_ are good films -
- films which set different goals for themselves? "Tombstone" focuses on
one, farily limited episode in Wyatt's life. "Wyatt Earp" is a much more
sweeping biography, seeking to paint a picture of the man from childhood to
retirement.
Kurt Russell is a leading man, not a character actor. He's pretty
much always Kurt Russell. But you know what? The same is true of Kevin
Costner (didn't "Robin Hood" prove that KC is _not_ a character actor?)
Val Kilmer and Dennis Quaid are BOTH great! Each put a different
spin on the same historical figure, even in the way they portrayed his
dissipation. Most of the major film critics gave high marks to both of
them; there didn't seem to be a big contest to absolutely, positively pick
one over the other.
I enjoy reading everyone's opinion, and I certainly wouldn't want to
deprive anyone of the right to say anything. This note is more
philosophical in nature, just urging that we all think about whether
everything must be a contest, with a winner and a loser. How 'bout this:
"W.E." and "Tombstone" are _both_ winners, likewise Kilmer and Quaid.
John Swaney
Los Angeles
David Alan Carr
>I, like many others, enjoyed Wyatt Earp... but Tombstone is still my fav.
>NightMare
They both sucked compared to My Darling Clementine. :)
Although, Kilmer was better as Doc than Victor Matur or Quaid.
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> I saw My Darling Clementine when I was young and haven't seen it
> any any video stores here in Houston. I'd like to compare all of
> the movies about Wyatt....this is the last one on my list. I remember
> Walter Brennan in it. I love him. I really can't believe Victor Mature
> played Doc.... oh well, one of the days! Kilmer and Quaid were both
> great Doc. Holliday's ... Kurt Douglas wasn't, imho!
>
> NightMare
Be sure to check out "Doc" with Harris Yulin as Wyatt and Stacy Keach as "Doc".
It comes closest to the historical truth.
Ted
Rex Carter
> I enjoy reading everyone's opinion, and I certainly wouldn't want to
> deprive anyone of the right to say anything. This note is more
> philosophical in nature, just urging that we all think about whether
> everything must be a contest, with a winner and a loser. How 'bout this:
> "W.E." and "Tombstone" are _both_ winners, likewise Kilmer and Quaid.
I, too, enjoyed both performances. Quaid, however, went one step further
to me in his portrayal. His illness permeated through every scene he was
in, and I saw a much fuller character.
But, he was also in the movie that focused more on character. Kilmer was
just in an action movie.
As for the movies, I wouldn't call them both winners. Personnaly, I
abhored "Tombstone." It had the feel of a TV show like that Brisco
western series that Bruce Campbell had. It's what I expect from TV
where the writing, costuming, and everything else has to be quick and
cheap, but in the film, I was gagging at the simplicity of the production.
"Wyatt Earp" is not the greatest western of all-time, but at least it
had some brains behind it and some heart into it.
Rex A. Carter
r...@lamb.com
NightMare
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>mi...@sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com (NightMare) writes:
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>>I, like many others, enjoyed Wyatt Earp... but Tombstone is still my fav.
>
>>NightMare
>
>They both sucked compared to My Darling Clementine. :)
>Although, Kilmer was better as Doc than Victor Matur or Quaid.
DAC,
John R. Swaney
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>>I, like many others, enjoyed Wyatt Earp... but Tombstone is still my fav.
>
>>NightMare
>
>They both sucked compared to My Darling Clementine. :)
>Although, Kilmer was better as Doc than Victor Matur or Quaid.
>
>
>DAC
>
Well, I suppose it depends on what you're seeking. "My Darling Clementine"
definitely is outstanding from the standpoint of cinematography - - great scenery and a
good example of how effective black and white can be. From an acting standpoint, Henry
Fonda is not my idea of Wyatt Earp.....but neither were Kurt Russell or Kevin Costner.
But from the standpoint of historical accuracy, "Clementine" - - to use your
eloquent word - - sucks. Just a few examples: Holliday was in fact a dentist, not a
medical doctor.....Holliday was not killed in the gunfight at the O.K. Corral, but died in a
Colorado sanitorium while being treated for tuberculosis.....Wyatt's "woman," whom he
met in Tombstone and eventually married, was Josie Marcus, an actress. The character
of Clementine, the local school marm, is entirely fictional. Ike Clanton was not killed at the
O.K. Corral......the list of historical inaccuracies goes on and on.
John Swaney
Los Angeles
jo...@omni.voicenet.com
"Once Upon a Time in the West". World's better than the hollywoodized
"Silverado". As for "Wyatt Earp" , I'll tell you if I can ever see it all the way
through without falling asleep. (Come to think of it, it was two of the same
pretentious, politically correct hollywoodizers that made "Silverado"!)
Michael L. Reiter
THE BIGGEST PIECE OF SHIT I'VE EVER SEEN. WHY DON'T
YOU WATCH SOME REAL WESTERNS, LIKE THOSE BY PECKINPAH
AND FORD. AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, BOYCOTT
MCDOMINATRIX, YOU JACKASS!!!!!jo...@omni.voicenet.com wrote:
: I loved "Tombstone". It was the best non-Eastwood western since Leone's
Judy Scott
incomparable as Doc Holiday.
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