Pregnant Demi Moore in the movies!
Michael K. Yee
The Vanity Fair photo layout of the pregnant Demi Moore in the buff
reminded me of the movie 'The Seventh Sign'. In this movie Demi
Moore plays a pregnant woman, about to give birth and fullfill the
prophecy of the Seventh sign. In one scene, Demi is in the bathroom
and strips to take a bath. For about one second, you see a side
view of a very pregnant Demi Moore.
The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie? Really good
special effects? Body Double? My theory is that since she made
this movie about the time she was pregnant with her first child, she
did this scene after most of the movie was made.
Rent the movie and tell me what you think?
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Erik Bailey
>The Vanity Fair photo layout of the pregnant Demi Moore in the buff
>reminded me of the movie 'The Seventh Sign'. In this movie Demi
>Moore plays a pregnant woman, about to give birth and fullfill the
>prophecy of the Seventh sign. In one scene, Demi is in the bathroom
>and strips to take a bath. For about one second, you see a side
>view of a very pregnant Demi Moore.
>
>The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie? Really good
>special effects? Body Double? My theory is that since she made
>this movie about the time she was pregnant with her first child, she
>did this scene after most of the movie was made.
EXCELLENT MOVIE. For all you folks who haven't see it, do so. I've shown
it to several of my friends, and all have liked it a lot.
As for the leading lady... Yep -- she's pregnant all right. With Bruce
Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
your theory is right, btw.
I have to admit, I'm not sure how I would feel if I were her kid, and I saw
that movie, and knew it was *me* in those scenes. The end is, uh,
powerful, and would be a bit heavy for the kid to deal with! Not a big
problem, I'm sure, but I admire Demi Moore's courage in portraying that
character. She did a superb job.
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>In article <YEE.91Au...@genoa.osf.org> y...@osf.org (Michael K. Yee) writes:
>>The Vanity Fair photo layout of the pregnant Demi Moore in the buff
>>reminded me of the movie 'The Seventh Sign'. In this movie Demi
>>Moore plays a pregnant woman, about to give birth and fullfill the
>>prophecy of the Seventh sign. In one scene, Demi is in the bathroom
>>and strips to take a bath. For about one second, you see a side
>>view of a very pregnant Demi Moore.
>>
>>The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie? Really good
>>special effects? Body Double? My theory is that since she made
>>this movie about the time she was pregnant with her first child, she
>>did this scene after most of the movie was made.
>
>EXCELLENT MOVIE. For all you folks who haven't see it, do so. I've shown
>it to several of my friends, and all have liked it a lot.
>
>As for the leading lady... Yep -- she's pregnant all right. With Bruce
>Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
>your theory is right, btw.
>I have to admit, I'm not sure how I would feel if I were her kid, and I saw
>that movie, and knew it was *me* in those scenes. The end is, uh,
>powerful, and would be a bit heavy for the kid to deal with! Not a big
>problem, I'm sure, but I admire Demi Moore's courage in portraying that
>character. She did a superb job.
>
>--Erik
>
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No, Demi Moore was not pregnant during that movie. If you saw a special
on HBO about the retarded boy, John Taylor, there's a scene where him
and Demi are on the set, and she takes out the foam that's under her
shirt to create that "pregnancy effect". As to how they did the nude
scene, I'm not sure. I'm guessing a hell of a good make-up job.
Carin
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Keith Skar aka Roddy
>>reminded me of the movie 'The Seventh Sign'. In this movie Demi
>>Moore plays a pregnant woman, about to give birth and fullfill the
>>prophecy of the Seventh sign. In one scene, Demi is in the bathroom
>>and strips to take a bath. For about one second, you see a side
>>view of a very pregnant Demi Moore.
>>
>>The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie? Really good
>
>
>Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
>your theory is right, btw.
>
I disagree. Our local paper did a short article on Demi because of her
photos in Vanity Fair. The article said that she was not pregnant in
the movie but was made to look the part via special effects.
I heard that Demi recently had her second child. If I remember correctly,
didnt they name their first child Rumor or something like that.
is Dakota the name of their second child?..
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> In article <1991Aug1.1...@Think.COM> e...@think.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
>>In article <YEE.91Au...@genoa.osf.org> y...@osf.org (Michael K. Yee) writes:
>>>reminded me of the movie 'The Seventh Sign'.
>>>The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie?
>>As for the leading lady... Yep -- she's pregnant all right. With Bruce
>>Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
>>your theory is right, btw.
> I disagree. Our local paper did a short article on Demi because of her
> photos in Vanity Fair. The article said that she was not pregnant in
> the movie but was made to look the part via special effects.
> I heard that Demi recently had her second child. If I remember correctly,
> didnt they name their first child Rumor or something like that.
> is Dakota the name of their second child?..
Yes, Bruce and Demi named theit first daughter Rumer. But it was Don
Johnson and Melanie Griffith that named their daughter Dakota. The
baby that Bruce and Demi just had was a girl and they named her
Scout. Very... ummm... interesting names.
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tony murray
>Not to pick nits...But, Dakota is the name of Melanie Griffith and Don
>Johnson's daughter. Demi and Bruce's daughter is Rumor, and their
>second child is not due until Oct.
>Ellon
Not to pick nits...Demi gave birth about two weeks ago to a little girl
they have named Scout. :)
--Tony
Douglas Mason
>
>As for the leading lady... Yep -- she's pregnant all right. With Bruce
>Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
>your theory is right, btw.
Didn't they name the tike "roumor" or something like that?
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Laura Sabel
>In article <11...@plains.NoDak.edu> sk...@plains.NoDak.edu (Keith Skar aka Roddy) writes:
>>In article <1991Aug1.1...@Think.COM> e...@think.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
>>>As for the leading lady... Yep -- she's pregnant all right. With Bruce
>>>Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
>>>your theory is right, btw.
>>>
>>
>>I disagree. Our local paper did a short article on Demi because of her
>>photos in Vanity Fair. The article said that she was not pregnant in
>>the movie but was made to look the part via special effects.
>>
>>I heard that Demi recently had her second child. If I remember correctly,
>>didnt they name their first child Rumor or something like that.
>>is Dakota the name of their second child?..
>Not to pick nits...But, Dakota is the name of Melanie Griffith and Don
>Johnson's daughter. Demi and Bruce's daughter is Rumor, and their
>second child is not due until Oct.
Speaking of nits, it's Rumer, with an 'e'. And
they just had their second daughter, according
to Newsweek; her name is Scout, after the
character in _To Kill A Mockingbird_.
I don't understand why celebrities give their
children such odd names. Is it for publicity
or what? I can't imagine inflicting names
like Dakota or Rumer or Scout on my children. Heck,
even in _Mockingbird_ Scout was just a nickname.
-Laura
Ellon Schnaible
>>As for the leading lady... Yep -- she's pregnant all right. With Bruce
>>Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
>>your theory is right, btw.
>>
>
>I disagree. Our local paper did a short article on Demi because of her
>photos in Vanity Fair. The article said that she was not pregnant in
>the movie but was made to look the part via special effects.
>
>I heard that Demi recently had her second child. If I remember correctly,
>didnt they name their first child Rumor or something like that.
>is Dakota the name of their second child?..
Not to pick nits...But, Dakota is the name of Melanie Griffith and Don
Johnson's daughter. Demi and Bruce's daughter is Rumor, and their
second child is not due until Oct.
Ellon
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>
>
> The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie? Really good
> special effects? Body Double? My theory is that since she made
> this movie about the time she was pregnant with her first child, she
> did this scene after most of the movie was made.
>
yes she really was pregnant during the filming of the movie
they had her on one of those stupid talk shows oprah maybe
it was an interview with her and bruce..
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>>didnt they name their first child Rumor or something like that.
>>is Dakota the name of their second child?..
>Not to pick nits...But, Dakota is the name of Melanie Griffith and Don
>Johnson's daughter. Demi and Bruce's daughter is Rumor, and their
>second child is not due until Oct.
>Ellon
Demi and Bruce had their second daughter shortly after the Vanity
Fair cover came out. I believe they named her Scout.
Melissa
Michael Jones
> The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie? Really good
> special effects? Body Double? My theory is that since she made
> this movie about the time she was pregnant with her first child, she
> did this scene after most of the movie was made.
Some time ago I saw a T.V. show about the guy who played the murderer,
(I believe he has Down's Syndrome), and they showed him talking to
Demi Moore on the set of the movie. She explained to him that it was
a prosthetic, some kind of foam padding, demonstrating by poking it
with her finger. When I saw the movie I was positive that she really
was pregnant, so I was shocked when I saw this. This doesn't
necessarily mean they used a prosthetic for this scene; on the T.V.
show she was fully clothed (sigh).
If you haven't seen this movie, see it. It's the best apocalypse
movie I've ever seen, in fact an order of magnitude better than most.
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>
> The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie? Really good
> special effects? Body Double? My theory is that since she made
> this movie about the time she was pregnant with her first child, she
> did this scene after most of the movie was made.
Unless my mind is playing tricks, I seem to remember reading an article
that said this was makeup. She had either just had her baby or was not
far enough along in the pregnancy to match the movie.
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Michelle Thompson
>Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
>your theory is right, btw.
Actually, Dakota is the daughter of Melanie Griffith and Don Johnson -
Rumor was the Willis' first daughter. Daughter #2 (vanity faire baby)
was born last week and they named her Scout (after the child narrator in
"To Kill a Mockingbird".
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Erik Bailey
>In article <1991Aug1.1...@Think.COM> I wrote:
>>
>>As for the leading lady... Yep -- she's pregnant all right. With Bruce
>>Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
>>your theory is right, btw.
>
>Actually, Dakota is the daughter of Melanie Griffith and Don Johnson -
>Rumor was the Willis' first daughter. Daughter #2 (vanity faire baby)
>was born last week and they named her Scout (after the child narrator in
>"To Kill a Mockingbird".
Demi Moore, Melanie Griffith, Bruce Willis, Don Johnson -- they's all the
same to me! :-)
(thanks for the correction!)
Hazel Sydeserff
|> In article <1991Aug1.1...@Think.COM> e...@think.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
|> >In article <YEE.91Au...@genoa.osf.org> y...@osf.org (Michael K. Yee) writes:
|> >>reminded me of the movie 'The Seventh Sign'. In this movie Demi
|> >>Moore plays a pregnant woman, about to give birth and fullfill the
|> >>prophecy of the Seventh sign. In one scene, Demi is in the bathroom
|> >>and strips to take a bath. For about one second, you see a side
|> >>view of a very pregnant Demi Moore.
|> >>
|> >>The question is: Was she really pregnant in this movie? Really good
|> >
|> >
|> >As for the leading lady... Yep -- she's pregnant all right. With Bruce
|> >Willis's baby (Dakota, if I recall -- she should be 2-3 by now). I suspect
|> >your theory is right, btw.
|> >
|>
|> I disagree. Our local paper did a short article on Demi because of her
|> photos in Vanity Fair. The article said that she was not pregnant in
|> the movie but was made to look the part via special effects.
|>
|> I heard that Demi recently had her second child. If I remember correctly,
|> didnt they name their first child Rumor or something like that.
|> is Dakota the name of their second child?..
I read in the local rag last week that they'd name the baby Scout.
What the hell is wrong with names like Emma and Karen, huh?
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Michael McNulty
Someone wrote (sorry, I lost the person's ID):
>>Actually, Dakota is the daughter of Melanie Griffith and Don Johnson -
>>Rumor was the Willis' first daughter. Daughter #2 (vanity faire baby)
>>was born last week and they named her Scout (after the child narrator in
>>"To Kill a Mockingbird".
And someone else asked why stars would give their children such
unusual names.
I heard that Bruce Willis has a movie that he's now filming (or is about
to be released) that has the word "Scout" in the title.
Willis, of course, denies that naming their child "Scout" was done for
any pubilicty reasons at all (much as Demi denies that the cover was done
for any publicity reasons).
You are right; the official reason is that "Scout" was the name of the
narrator in TKAM.
What a coincidence, though, huh?
Mike
Peter Reiher
>Speaking of nits, it's Rumer, with an 'e'. And
>they just had their second daughter, according
>to Newsweek; her name is Scout, after the
>character in _To Kill A Mockingbird_.
>
>I don't understand why celebrities give their
>children such odd names. Is it for publicity
>or what? I can't imagine inflicting names
>like Dakota or Rumer or Scout on my children. Heck,
>even in _Mockingbird_ Scout was just a nickname.
It may be more a California thing than a Hollywood one. My sister-in-law
used to teach third grade out here, and the names of some of the children
in her class practically called for indicting the parents for child abuse.
Peter Reiher
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>
>Didn't they name the tike "roumor" or something like that?
Yep first baby girl named Rumer Glenn
She just had the baby from the cover, a girl named Scout LaRue
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Donald H MacGregor
I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer from
the '50s. He has been the basis of a number of movies, most significantly -
Psycho (1960), Deranged (1974), The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) and
more recently, Silence of the Lambs (1991). From these movies, and from
a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
her body preserved), and he killed young women and wore their skins (and
maybe ate them). I saw a picture of him in People magazine when SotL was
released - he looked like a Deliverance-reject with a 1000 yard stare.
I think his case is the one event most responsible for the change in horror
films - before about 1960, horror films were dominated by monster and the
like (ex. Dracula), but after 1960 (and Psycho), horror films were more and
more dominated by psychopathic killers.
So, I welcome any information about him (I already know about Danny Peary's
brief description from "Cult Movies 1").
DM
Donald H MacGregor
Has anyone noticed the thematic use of music in films? I never see film
critics and reviews discuss this, so here are some I've noticed:
"2001: A Space Odyssey" - The theme music is the introduction to Richard
Strauss' "Also Sprach Zarathustra" - music based on the book by Nietzsche.
In this book Nietzsche tells about his idea of the superman, an evolutionary
improvement (in a way) over man. The story of "2001" can also be
interpreted in this way.
"Henry and June" - Based on the diaries of Anais Nin, strand of Stravinsky's
"The Rite of Spring" can be heard near the beginning of the film.
Stravinsky's music was intended to represent a fertility ritual of a
primitive tribe. This can be loosely interpreted as a sexual awakening,
which is what happens to Nin (along with an artistic awakening) as a result
of her relationship with Henry Miller and his wife June.
"Reversal of Fortune" - After Claus Von Bulow has been found guilty of
murdering his wife he hires Alan Dershowitz to represent him at his
appeal. When Dershowitz first goes to Von Bulow's home, Mahler's
"Resurrection Symphony" is heard in the background - hinting that this
will be Von Bulow's own resurrection.
"Bonfire of the Vanitites" - Sherman McCoy goes to the opera - not just
any opera, but Mozart's "Don Giovanni" (Don Juan to our culture).
Sherman then sees himself like Don Giovanni in the opera, being dragged
to hell for his sins.
"Fatal Attraction" - Glenn Close and Michael Douglas talk about "Madame
Butterfly", Puccini's opera about a geisha who commits suicide when
her American suitor rejects her. In the film's following scene, Douglas
rejects Close and she attempts suicide.
"Field of Dreams" - When Kevin Costner first tells the town people about
the voice he heard, they all look at him like he's out of his mind.
In the background, you can hear Patsy Cline's song "Crazy".
"Bird" - Charlie 'Bird' Parker is told to go perform in France. The following
scene is him playing in concert. The name of the song he's playing is
"April in Paris" (then the film gives all of the obligitary shots
of the Effiel Tower and the Paris skyline).
"The Simpsons: Itchy & Scratchy & Marge" - Marge gets a violent cartoon taken
off the air. So the kids in the town, instead of watching TV all afternoon,
go outside and play. The shots of the kids outside is accompanied by
Beethoven's "Pastorale Symphony", a work meant to represent the feeling
of being outdoors and a part of nature.
These are the only one's I could remember, although almost every movie seems
to have either musical or literary references.
Can anyone name any more? (like some Rock references)
DM
Jeff Leyser
!!Not to pick nits...But, Dakota is the name of Melanie Griffith and Don
!!Johnson's daughter. Demi and Bruce's daughter is Rumor, and their
!!second child is not due until Oct.
Well, due in October or not, Ms. Moore and Mr. Willis are now the proud
parents of thier second child, a heatlhy girl named Scout (apparently after
the character in {To Kill A Mocking Bird}. And you thought actors were
illiterate slobs.... :^)
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Rod Williams
> sa...@CS.Cornell.EDU (Laura Sabel) writes:
>Speaking of nits, it's Rumer, with an 'e'...
Rumer, BTW, was named after the (wonderful) British
author, Rumer Godden...
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>I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer
>more recently, Silence of the Lambs (1991). From these movies, and from
>a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
>her body preserved)
Be warned, spoiler ahead....
In SOL when our heroine is wondering in the dark cellar, I got a brief
glimpse of something, human I think, in a bathtub down there. I've
seen the movie twice but even though I was ready for it the second
time, I was not able to say what it was that I saw. Did I dream the
whole thing? Does the book have anything about a body? Could it have
been "Bill's" mother? Or his previous victim?
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>You are right; the official reason is that "Scout" was the name of the
>narrator in TKAM.
Now that we know where "Scout" came from, any guesses where they came up with
her middle name "LaRue"?
On the subject of baby names, Arnold and Maria had their second daughter the
same day Scout was born. Anyone hear what they named her?
Deb Smith
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>In article <donaldm.91...@lab8.eng.auburn.edu>, don...@eng.auburn.edu
>(Donald H MacGregor) writes:
>|>
>|>
>|> Has anyone noticed the thematic use of music in films? I never see film
>|> critics and reviews discuss this, so here are some I've noticed:
>
>
>|> Can anyone name any more? (like some Rock references)
>|>
>
>(as Arnold gets on the bike and drives away from the diner) AND also
>the same song in Problem-Child 2.
>
>Kinda scary, eh? Arnold as problem-child 3?
>
> -Oded
For that matter, it's also in the beginning of Christine. Where else has that
song showed up?
Scott
David Claytor
For what it's worth, Ed Gein was another of Wisconsin's infamous claims to
fame (he lived and conducted his nefarious deeds on a farm outsid Plainfield,
WI), and he was the inspiration for the film "Psycho." I recall hearing the
author being interviewed on the Tom Snyder Show several years ago. At the
time of the incdident, the author was vacationing in nearby Wayauwega, WI.
Ed is still incarcerated in Wisconsin's Waupun State Prison in a section for
the criminally insane. When my brother was in graduate school in Social Work
at UWM, he got to interview Ed. He was a small,quiet man, and he showed my
brother his rock collection. (BTW, I may stand corrected -- Ed Gein may be
dead by now.)
Oded Maron
|>
|>
|> critics and reviews discuss this, so here are some I've noticed:
[stuff deleted]
|> Can anyone name any more? (like some Rock references)
|>
Yeah. George Thorougood (sp) does 'Bad to the Bone' at the beginning of T-2
Ryan Tanner
If you want a good factual article on Edward Gein, find _Bloodletters and
Badmen_ by Jay Robert Nash. This book is a narrative encyclopedia of
american criminals from the inital settlement to 1973 when it was written.
This book mentions that Gein was protected by his mother fr women, but
doesn't say that he kept her preserved. I trust that the book would have
mentioned it if it had happened. He did seal off her room and the parlor
after she died from two strokes though.
Here is an excerpt from the book describing objects that the local sheriff
found in Edward Gein's house: "Bracelets made of human skin, four human noses
in a cup on the kitchen table, a pair of human lips on a string dangling from
a windowsill, two human shin bones, strips of human skin bracing four chairs,
a tom-tom made from a coffee can with human skin stretched over top and
bottom, a pair of leggins made from human skin, skin from a woman's
torso converted into a vest, nine death masks -- the skinned faces of
women -- mounted on the walls, ten heads belonging to women sawed off
above the eyebrows, another head converted into a soup bowl, and a purse
with handles made of human skin." He was a confirmed grave robber, murderer,
necrophile, and cannibal. He was caught in 1957. He killed at least 15
women.
_Bloodletters and Badmen_ tells about murderers, bank robbers, train robbers,
syndicate gangsters and more. Other good books by Nash are _Look For the
Woman_ (women criminals from the U.S. , Europe, and the Orient), and
_Darkest Hours_ (a narrative encyclopedia of disasters from biblical
times to the present).
Ryan (tan...@prism.cs.orst.edu)
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>DM
Michel Hafner
>
>
>Has anyone noticed the thematic use of music in films? I never see film
>critics and reviews discuss this, so here are some I've noticed:
>
>"2001: A Space Odyssey" - The theme music is the introduction to Richard
> Strauss' "Also Sprach Zarathustra" - music based on the book by Nietzsche.
> In this book Nietzsche tells about his idea of the superman, an evolutionary
> improvement (in a way) over man. The story of "2001" can also be
> interpreted in this way.
>"Reversal of Fortune" - After Claus Von Bulow has been found guilty of
> murdering his wife he hires Alan Dershowitz to represent him at his
> appeal. When Dershowitz first goes to Von Bulow's home, Mahler's
> "Resurrection Symphony" is heard in the background - hinting that this
> will be Von Bulow's own resurrection.
I remember hearing "Tristan and Isolde: Isolde's Love-death" by Wagner in this
scene. Or was it another scene/piece? I thought it was pretty nasty to use this
music in the context.
Two recent examples:
"Pretty Woman": Richard Gere takes Julia Roberts to see/hear "La Traviata" by
Verdi, an opera about a "derailed" woman who finds real love after....
"Thelma and Louise": In one scene you hear "The ballad of Lucy Jordan", about
a frustrated house-wife who finally stops dreaming and ...
M.H.
Ron Dippold
>In article <donaldm.91...@lab8.eng.auburn.edu> don...@eng.auburn.edu (Donald H MacGregor) writes:
>>
>>
>>Has anyone noticed the thematic use of music in films? I never see film
>>critics and reviews discuss this, so here are some I've noticed:
>>
>>"2001: A Space Odyssey" - The theme music is the introduction to Richard
>> Strauss' "Also Sprach Zarathustra" - music based on the book by Nietzsche.
>>"Reversal of Fortune" - After Claus Von Bulow has been found guilty of
>> murdering his wife he hires Alan Dershowitz to represent him at his
>I remember hearing "Tristan and Isolde: Isolde's Love-death" by Wagner in this
>"Pretty Woman": Richard Gere takes Julia Roberts to see/hear "La Traviata" by
>Verdi, an opera about a "derailed" woman who finds real love after....
>"Thelma and Louise": In one scene you hear "The ballad of Lucy Jordan", about
>a frustrated house-wife who finally stops dreaming and ...
The ultimate in this has to be the Warner Brothers cartoons with Carl
Stalling. He would go out of his way to find obscure (well, not
always obscure) pieces of music that would go with whatever was
happening. The music was _always_ thematic!
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Laurence Doering
>I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer from
>the '50s. He has been the basis of a number of movies, most significantly -
>Psycho (1960), Deranged (1974), The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) and
>more recently, Silence of the Lambs (1991). From these movies, and from
>a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
>her body preserved), and he killed young women and wore their skins (and
>maybe ate them). I saw a picture of him in People magazine when SotL was
>released - he looked like a Deliverance-reject with a 1000 yard stare.
>I think his case is the one event most responsible for the change in horror
>films - before about 1960, horror films were dominated by monster and the
>like (ex. Dracula), but after 1960 (and Psycho), horror films were more and
>more dominated by psychopathic killers.
>So, I welcome any information about him (I already know about Danny Peary's
>brief description from "Cult Movies 1").
Look for _Edward Gein - America's Most Bizarre Murderer_, Judge Robert H.
Gollmar, Pinnacle Books, 1989. ISBN 1-55817-187-8.
According to the book, Ed Gein was tried only for the murder of Bernice
Worden, his last victim. Although assorted human remains were found in
his house ("There were skulls on the bedposts! Her heart was found in
a saucepan on the stove! Gein danced in the moonlight wearing the face,
the breasts, the hair of his victims!" - from the back cover of the book)
the police were only able to get solid evidence of one murder. Gein's hobby
was robbing graves, and they never did determine whether or not most of the
stuff in his house was from murder victims or corpses he'd dug up.
Jack Campin
> I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer from
> the '50s. He has been the basis of a number of movies, most significantly -
> Psycho (1960), Deranged (1974), The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) and
> more recently, Silence of the Lambs (1991). From these movies, and from
> a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
> her body preserved), and he killed young women and wore their skins (and
> maybe ate them).
> films - before about 1960, horror films were dominated by monster and the
> like (ex. Dracula), but after 1960 (and Psycho), horror films were more and
> more dominated by psychopathic killers.
Hitchcock also did Leopold and Loeb in "Rope", and Christie, a British
psycho from the same era as Gein, was possibly even better known; not only
did he keep cupboardsful of dead women round his house to have sex with, he
also got the innocent husband of one of them hanged for one of his own
murders. And Peter Kurten, the Beast of Dusseldorf, achieved worldwide
fame before the war - surely there's a German Expressionist film about him?
And "Fantomas", the original psychopath movie, dates back to 1919.
You don't need to look far in the chronicles of any era to find a serial
killer. Gein may have been a convenient handle to attach the expanding
genre of slasher movies to, but the sudden growth of that genre must have
had more to do with (a) what the movie makers could get away with, and
(b) cultural changes that meant they could sell movies that an earlier
generation would have thought only appealed to sickos (must stop - just off
to see "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer"...)
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> In article <donaldm.91...@lab8.eng.auburn.edu> don...@eng.auburn.edu (Donald H MacGregor) writes:
>>
>>I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer
> lines deleted...
>>more recently, Silence of the Lambs (1991). From these movies, and from
>>a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
>>her body preserved)
>
> Be warned, spoiler ahead....
>
> In SOL when our heroine is wondering in the dark cellar, I got a brief
> glimpse of something, human I think, in a bathtub down there. I've
> seen the movie twice but even though I was ready for it the second
> time, I was not able to say what it was that I saw. Did I dream the
> whole thing? Does the book have anything about a body? Could it have
> been "Bill's" mother? Or his previous victim?
I saw it as well. I had the impression that it was his mother.
I don't think it was a previous victim, since he generally threw them in
the river.
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>In article <1991Aug3.1...@nntp.hut.fi>, t35...@kaira.hut.fi (Jukka Sakari Talvio) writes:
>> In article <donaldm.91...@lab8.eng.auburn.edu> don...@eng.auburn.edu (Donald H MacGregor) writes:
>>>
>>>I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer
>> lines deleted...
>>>more recently, Silence of the Lambs (1991). From these movies, and from
>>>a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
>>>her body preserved)
>>
>> Be warned, spoiler ahead....
>>
>> In SOL when our heroine is wondering in the dark cellar, I got a brief
>> glimpse of something, human I think, in a bathtub down there. I've
>> seen the movie twice but even though I was ready for it the second
>> time, I was not able to say what it was that I saw. Did I dream the
>> whole thing? Does the book have anything about a body? Could it have
>> been "Bill's" mother? Or his previous victim?
> I saw it as well. I had the impression that it was his mother.
>I don't think it was a previous victim, since he generally threw them in
>the river.
Well the book had very little to say about his mother. (In fact
it said nothing about his mother. When talking of the scenes
in the basement it too mentioned the thing in the tub. It described
the tub as being filled with a purple plaster that had a hand and wrist
sticking out of it and there was a watch on the hand. Other than that
no other reference was made to it.
The Lord of the Damned
> In SOL when our heroine is wondering in the dark cellar, I got a brief
> glimpse of something, human I think, in a bathtub down there. I've
> seen the movie twice but even though I was ready for it the second
> time, I was not able to say what it was that I saw. Did I dream the
> whole thing? Does the book have anything about a body? Could it have
> been "Bill's" mother? Or his previous victim?
i always thought it was the previous owner of the house. i
think the book might have also mentioned something like that. (or i
could be totally and utterlly wrong since i read it a while ago).
mark
The Lord of the Damned
"lost in the forest all alone"
Magnus Homann
>Cult-Movie-Question: Have you seen a better apocalypse movie? Tell
>us about it!
Apocalypse Now? :-)
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he rounds at the time, and which provided the basis for some serious sociologic
al studies of the nature of humor, its psychological role etc. I would be very
interested to know if many/all of these jokes will return in light of the Dahme
r affair. I have already heard a few.
Philip Jenkins Penn State University 814-863-0128
Abba Jones
pressed to find films that _didn't_ have thematic soundtracks, or thematic
lighting, or thematic titling. This stuff has been done all along. Cinema
was born out of the thoeries of a collection of artists who saw film as
a fusion
of all other art forms, that painting, music composition, and theatre
could be
fused to create a new form of art. Since film was to be viewed as a
fusion,
the individual parts were intended to sync from the start. Take any
relatively
well-made film and begin a shot-by-shot analysis of it based upon
speech,
music, lighting, etc. 17 pages later you will find that in such movies
as 2001,
Brazil, Citezen Kane, Blade Runner, etc., etc. you can in no way truely
analyze
the content without writing a novella far longer than the shooting
script
for the film itself. No, terminator two might not stand up to such an
analysis
for long, but I'd bet you's be surprised about the amount of thought
that goes
into each level of a film. If you really want a job, see a Ken Russel
film
from before 1973. Have a good time.
-the only band there ever was-
Michael D Toth
>don...@eng.auburn.edu (Donald H MacGregor) wrote:
>> I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer from
>> the '50s. He has been the basis of a number of movies, most significantly -
>murders. And Peter Kurten, the Beast of Dusseldorf, achieved worldwide
>fame before the war - surely there's a German Expressionist film about him?
It's called _M_, starring Peter Lorre as the child murderer. It's director
Fritz (METROPOLIS) Lang's first sound film and is quite reknowned for its
artistic utilization of sound for that time period (1931?). The original
title was _Murderer Among Us_, and it is rumored that it was pressure from the
Nazi party that instigated the change. (Many Expressionist films intentionally
or unintentionally observed the political climate of the times and alluded to
the Nazi phenomenon. For a detailed discussion of Nazi dictators and
Expressionist villains, check out Siegfied Kracauer's book _From Caligari to
Hitler_.) Considered one of the most significant films of all time, it's an
enjoyable film (with some real chilling moments) that you owe it to yourself
to check out if you haven't.
Michael David Toth
mt...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
marc.colten
> In SOL when our heroine is wondering in the dark cellar, I got a brief
> glimpse of something, human I think, in a bathtub down there. I've
> seen the movie twice but even though I was ready for it the second
> time, I was not able to say what it was that I saw. Did I dream the
> whole thing? Does the book have anything about a body? Could it have
> been "Bill's" mother? Or his previous victim?
>
I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment on that scene, however
the book mentioned that in addition to Bill's known victims he
"stalked" people in his basement for "fun" with his night vision
glasses, and later arranged "tableau's" in sealed rooms.
marc colten
U15...@uicvm.uic.edu
Not _exactly_ the same as others mentioned in this thread, but: in
_Dr. Strangelove_, as Chill Wills is riding the bomb he has just gotten unstuck
, the soundtrack has "We'll Meet Again," by Vera Lynn--the definitive recording
of one of the great Eighth Air Force pub songs of WWII.
Mitch Pravatiner
U15289 at uicvm.uic.edu
JP...@psuvm.psu.edu
serial murder film called "The Sniper" 1951, about a heavily mother obsessed ki
ller. The film shows up on AMC occasionally. One nice touch is a psychiatrist d
iscussing Albert Fish, one of America's oddest killers -the 1920s cannibal.
Sniper - strongly recommended. There are a lot of visual references to it in
"Dirty Harry" of all things.
Philip Jenkins Penn State University.
Michael L. Kaufman
Well, not exactly. The characters in rope were from the upper class, and they
commited the crime on a whim, but what other similarities did you find?
Michael
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Dennis Franczak
>the '50s. He has been the basis of a number of movies, most significantly -
>a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
>released - he looked like a Deliverance-reject with a 1000 yard stare.
>
>films - before about 1960, horror films were dominated by monster and the
>like (ex. Dracula), but after 1960 (and Psycho), horror films were more and
>more dominated by psychopathic killers.
>
>brief description from "Cult Movies 1").
>
They did a 1/2 hour story on him on a tabloid show called "HARDCOPY" about
six months ago.
If you call your local TV stations(either NBC or CBS carried this show.)
they will be able to tell you how to write to the show. Ask them for a
transcript of the "Ed Gein Story". I saw the story and it was very well
done and downright chilling. It was one of the scariest things I have ever
heard and it is all true. Definitely try and get ahold of this story. It
will answer every question you need to know....
Dennis Franczak
.
Bruce E. Buck
>
> Not _exactly_ the same as others mentioned in this thread, but: in
>_Dr. Strangelove_, as Chill Wills is riding the bomb he has just gotten unstuck
>, the soundtrack has "We'll Meet Again," by Vera Lynn--the definitive recording
>of one of the great Eighth Air Force pub songs of WWII.
It's not Chill Wills who rides the bomb; it's Slim Pickens. And they don't
play "We'll Meet Again" until after the bomb explodes and after they finish
discussing the "Mineshaft Gap" (ie, the closing credits)
"We'll Meet Again" is also played at the close of BBC/PBS's "Singing Detective"
Graham Wheeler
>>murders. And Peter Kurten, the Beast of Dusseldorf, achieved worldwide
>>fame before the war - surely there's a German Expressionist film about him?
>It's called _M_, starring Peter Lorre as the child murderer. It's director
>Fritz (METROPOLIS) Lang's first sound film and is quite reknowned for its
>artistic utilization of sound for that time period (1931?). The original
...
>Hitler_.) Considered one of the most significant films of all time, it's an
>enjoyable film (with some real chilling moments) that you owe it to yourself
>to check out if you haven't.
There is currently a comic book (graphic novel) serialization of M by someone
called `Jon Muth', I think. It is based directly on the film; in fact, I think
the artwork was done from stills from the movie. I unfortunately have never
seen the movie, but the GN is superb, and I imagine it conveys the spirit of
the movie very accurately. In fact, the cover credits the GN to Muth and Lang,
as opposed to Muth and, say, Thea von Harbou, who wrote the script (she also
wrote `Metropolis', probably Lang's other most famous movie).
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ki...@minster.york.ac.uk
>In article <donaldm.91...@lab8.eng.auburn.edu> don...@eng.auburn.edu (Donald H MacGregor) writes:
>>
>>I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer
> lines deleted...
>>more recently, Silence of the Lambs (1991). From these movies, and from
>>a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
>>her body preserved)
>
>Be warned, spoiler ahead....
>
>In SOL when our heroine is wondering in the dark cellar, I got a brief
>glimpse of something, human I think, in a bathtub down there. I've
>seen the movie twice but even though I was ready for it the second
>time, I was not able to say what it was that I saw. Did I dream the
>whole thing? Does the book have anything about a body? Could it have
>been "Bill's" mother? Or his previous victim?
>
> Jukka
There was a body, at least something that looked like a body, in the
bath tub. There was never a mention of who it was. I would guess that
it WASN'T his mother since she was known to be dead. I would make a
guess that it was one of his first victims, perhaps the one Dr. Lecter
mentions to Clarice.
Andy
Michael D Toth
<<now also cross-posted to rec.arts.comics>>
In article <gram.681493192@uctcs> gr...@uctcs.cs.uct.ac.za (Graham Wheeler) writes:
>In <1991Aug5.1...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mt...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Toth) writes:
>
>>>murders. And Peter Kurten, the Beast of Dusseldorf, achieved worldwide
>>>fame before the war - surely there's a German Expressionist film about him?
>
>>It's called _M_, starring Peter Lorre as the child murderer. It's director
>>Fritz (METROPOLIS) Lang's first sound film and is quite reknowned for its
>>artistic utilization of sound for that time period (1931?). The original
>...
>
>There is currently a comic book (graphic novel) serialization of M by someone
>called `Jon Muth', I think. It is based directly on the film; in fact, I think
>the artwork was done from stills from the movie. I unfortunately have never
>seen the movie, but the GN is superb, and I imagine it conveys the spirit of
>the movie very accurately. In fact, the cover credits the GN to Muth and Lang,
>as opposed to Muth and, say, Thea von Harbou, who wrote the script (she also
>wrote `Metropolis', probably Lang's other most famous movie).
Oddly enough, I've even taken some classes with Jon J. Muth's brother here at
Ohio State. (We were both in the now defunct Photo & Cinema Dept.; a side
note of interest: his brother's in a local industrial noise band.)
From what I gather from his brother and others, Jon is equally amiable in person.
Here's how they did the artwork: Jon currently lives in Cincinnati, where
he and a crew of his friends went around RECONSTRUCTING scenes
from the film, and Muth used photographs for reference (ergo, the strange
photographic feel of his graphite, etc. work). Apparently, the child murderer
in the comic is portrayed by none other than Muth himself. Only issues 1 & 2
have been released so far to my knowledge, (Eclipse, the publishers, are
apparently having some problems), but the final two issues are evidently
finished and ready for the printers (and they have been for months.)
>
>--
>Graham Wheeler <gr...@cs.uct.ac.za>
Michael David Toth
mt...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
JP...@psuvm.psu.edu
g debate on the film "M". I may be wrong, but the film is not based on Kurten,
but on Fritz Haarman, another and even more lethal serial killer of the Weimar
era in 1920s Germany. This period in Germany saw more and more extreme serial k
illers than any age in history, excpet contemporary USA. Why? These killers con
tinued active under the Nazis -the last big case closed in 1943.
Michelle L Zafron
>In article <1991Aug4.1...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> ja...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>>Hitchcock also did Leopold and Loeb in "Rope",
>Well, not exactly. The characters in rope were from the upper class, and they
>committed the crime on a whim, but what other similarities did you find?
I seem to recall reading in a book about Hitchcock, that the Leopold Loeb
killing was the basis for "Rope". The killers (in real life) were influenced by
the Nietzschean (sp?) concept of the superman which corresponds to the
motivation of the characters' feelings of superiority above mankind in "Rope".
--Michelle
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> One more if you are good. When Arnie tells the janitor to FUCK YOU
> ASSHOLE what were the other possible responses he could have said ?
> I'll give you one "OR WHAT" what are the others ?
Let's see. There was yes/no, Please come back later, and Fuck you. Any
more?
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>There was a body, at least something that looked like a body, in the
>bath tub. There was never a mention of who it was.
In the book it mentions that "Bill" kept some old bodies around.
The book is extremely gruesome without actually describing any killings. It's
amazing how green about the gills you can get just reading about the uses of
various kinds of knives and techniques for tanning hides.
Here's hoping for a sequel novel and film. Lector is too fine a character to
put out to pasture. The interplay between Lector and Starling could be
fascinating. He has religous sensibilities that often go unrecognized, and
Starling is an obvious foil for them.
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>Here's hoping for a sequel novel and film. Lector is too fine a character to
>put out to pasture. The interplay between Lector and Starling could be
>fascinating. He has religous sensibilities that often go unrecognized, and
>Starling is an obvious foil for them.
Apparently, Thomas Harris is hard at work even as we speak. Would it be too
much to ask for if I were hoping for a Clarice Starling/Will Graham team-up?
Who else could catch him?
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"I'm sorry, but that was some pretty f**king pathetic applause."
---Joe Jackson, at the July 27 performance of his "Laughter & Lust"
tour, Chicago Theater, 1991
Gregg Silver
>the '50s. He has been the basis of a number of movies, most significantly -
>Psycho (1960), Deranged (1974), The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) and
>a few short articles I read, he had a mother-fixation (and may have kept
>maybe ate them). I saw a picture of him in People magazine when SotL was
>released - he looked like a Deliverance-reject with a 1000 yard stare.
>
>I think his case is the one event most responsible for the change in horror
>films - before about 1960, horror films were dominated by monster and the
>like (ex. Dracula), but after 1960 (and Psycho), horror films were more and
>more dominated by psychopathic killers.
>
>So, I welcome any information about him
There is a book written about him which can be found in the Crime section
of many bookstores. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name. My wife read it about
a year ago.
This IS a test
>ki...@minster.york.ac.uk writes
[on the subject of SoTL]
>Here's hoping for a sequel novel and film. Lector is too fine a character to
>put out to pasture. The interplay between Lector and Starling could be
>fascinating. He has religous sensibilities that often go unrecognized, and
>Starling is an obvious foil for them.
I think that a sequel where Crawford (the FBI guy in both SoTL and
Red Dragon/Manhunter) would be the logical next step. I think I find his
character a little more interesting than Starling's or the guy in RD/M.
There is a certain sinisterosity (coining a new word) about Crawford
that would complement Lecter very well. Besides, now that Lecter is out and
about, and the guy in RD/M is useless (in SoTL, The Book, he is reffered to
as an alcoholic) and it would be way too easy to have Starling "fall" for
Lecter, Crawford would be the perfect character to go after Lecter.
Casting should go something like this:
Lecter - Sean Connery
Crawford - Dustin Hoffman
Crawford's side kick - Tom Cruise (Has to wear a polyester suit and bowtie)
Sorry, I haven't had my coffee yet.
Manuel.
Rebel
[SotL stuff deleted]
>Casting should go something like this:
>Lecter - Sean Connery
Anyone playing Lecter except for Anthony Hopkins would be a travesty of
justice!!!!!!
>Crawford - Dustin Hoffman
How about DeNiro? Perhaps they are both too young...I always pictured
Crawford as older...late 40's, early fifties....
>Crawford's side kick - Tom Cruise (Has to wear a polyester suit and bowtie)
*argh!!!!* "Wear cotton: save the baby polyesters!!!!* ;-)
>Sorry, I haven't had my coffee yet.
*Pours Manuel a large cup of coffee*
>Manuel.
Disclaimer: I was under the influence of Benadryl when I posted this
Cheers!
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Geoff Loker
>In article <donaldm.91...@lab8.eng.auburn.edu> don...@eng.auburn.edu (Donald H MacGregor) writes:
>>
>>I would like to find some information about Ed Gein, a psychotic killer from
>>the '50s.
>There is a book written about him which can be found in the Crime section
>of many bookstores. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name. My wife read it about
>a year ago.
I know of one book called "Ed Gein: America's Most Bizarre Murderer". Can't
remember the name of the author, although the author was the judge who presided
at his trial in 1968(?). It has large extracts from the court transcripts,
and talks (a bit vaguely) about what happened, but doesn't get into the more
interesting (IMHO) questions about why it happened and how he was able to
get away with it in a small community for the length of time that he did.
It also displayed extremely poor (IMHO) taste in publishing photos of his
last victim's body.
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Graeme Griffiths
>In article <1991Aug9.0...@talon.ucs.orst.edu> mcg...@bluto.ie.orst.edu writes:
>>ki...@minster.york.ac.uk writes
>[on the subject of SoTL]
>>Here's hoping for a sequel novel and film. Lector is too fine a character to
>>put out to pasture. The interplay between Lector and Starling could be
>>fascinating. He has religous sensibilities that often go unrecognized, and
>>Starling is an obvious foil for them.
>I think that a sequel where Crawford (the FBI guy in both SoTL and
>Red Dragon/Manhunter) would be the logical next step. I think I find his
>character a little more interesting than Starling's or the guy in RD/M.
>There is a certain sinisterosity (coining a new word) about Crawford
>that would complement Lecter very well. Besides, now that Lecter is out and
>about, and the guy in RD/M is useless (in SoTL, The Book, he is reffered to
>as an alcoholic) and it would be way too easy to have Starling "fall" for
>Lecter, Crawford would be the perfect character to go after Lecter.
I still liked the guy in Manhunter (RD if you must) but agree that Crawford
shoul be there too. You could either have Crawford as a over-seer with the
other guy (I wish I could think of his name) doing the field work or have them
as a more equal duo (You could get Mel Gibson and Danny Glover to play them ;-)
I think the Manhunter guy should be there to add the psychological stuff,
imagine the problems of letting Lecter inside your head for the second time
after the first put you in an institution. And if Jodie Foster needs the work
stick Starling in there for a bit more colour.
I beleive I have 98 cents change coming.....
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JP...@psuvm.psu.edu
to be back in print as a result of Dahmer.
Philip Jenkins Penn State
Raymond W. Chramega
Great! I've been looking for that book too! being a lifetime resident of
Milwaukee myself, I'm sorry it took the likes of Dahmer to get it rereleased.
One psycho killer is more than our little state needed. Now we've got two!
-Ray--
Email: Chra...@mixcom.COM or mmw...@mixcom.COM
Julia Wines
[some included text from other posts deleted for brevity]
>
>I still liked the guy in Manhunter (RD if you must) but agree that Crawford
>shoul be there too. You could either have Crawford as a over-seer with the
>other guy (I wish I could think of his name) doing the field work or have them
Will Graham
Julia