RFD: rec.music.movies
ell...@delphi.com
STATUS: Unmoderated
RATIONALE: Rec.music.movies would serve to centralize discussion
about film music collecting and appreciation, subjects which
obviously overlap on both "movies" and "music," but which hitherto
have had no obvious "home" in any existing newsgroup. Those users
wishing to discuss aspects of film music have been scattered
throughout several existing newsgroups for a long time, and the
creation of rec.music.movies would bring all such discussions
conveniently together in one newsgroup.
The existence of a rec.music.movies newsgroup could also have the
additional benefit of reducing the number of postings on both
rec.arts.movies and rec.music.classical, two newsgroups which
already have heavy traffic, and which have been the two newsgroups
most frequently used for film music discussion in the past.
The group should be named "rec.music.movies" (as opposed to
"rec.movies.music") because, while discussion about film music
occasionally touches upon films, the primary focus of the
discussion will be on the music itself. (Some film music fans, for
instance, do not even see the movies for which the music was
written.)
CHARTER: Rec.music.movies is an unmoderated newsgroup
welcoming discussion and information on all aspects of music as it
is used in motion pictures, including:
--Film score collecting and appreciation, whether it be serious or
casual
--Film music history
--Film music composers or artists
--Reviews of film music soundtrack releases on CD or LP
--The aesthetics of the use of music in film
--The film music industry
Discussion will not be limited to any certain type of film music
(i.e., orchestral, pop-rock, original or adapted); exchanges on
>all< types of music used in motion pictures are encouraged.
Occasionally, newsgroup users may also wish to discuss music used
in TV series or miniseries, although the primary focus of
rec.music.movies will be discussion about motion picture music.
Have you found a copy of "The Caine Mutiny" LP in your basement and
don't know what to do with it? Who's your favorite film music
composer? What song did you think should have won Best Original
Song at the Oscars? What's the name of that song you heard in that
movie you just saw? Are you wondering if your favorite movie music
is out on CD? Which film music CDs do you recommend? How do you
think music should be used in films? Rec.music.movies is the place
for these questions (and answers).
DISTRIBUTION: This RFD is being posted to the following groups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.arts.movies,
rec.arts.sf.movies, rec.music.classical, rec.music.misc.
DISCUSSION: Discussion regarding the creation of the proposed
newsgroup rec.music.movies SHOULD BE POSTED TO news.groups.
Discussion will take place for a period of 30 days after the
posting of this RFD.
Andrew Solovay
unmoderated group rec.music.movies
Newsgroups line:
rec.music.movies Music for movies and television.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 10 May 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact asol...@geoworks.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Ellen Edgerton <ell...@delphi.com>.
The vote-taker will post each CFV to the following mailing lists
shortly after it is posted to news.announce.newsgroups. He will send
an abridged RESULT posting (without the full list of voters) to those
mailing lists after voting ends; the full RESULTs will be posted to
all the newsgroups where the CFV was posted.
cine...@auvm.american.edu
sound...@ifi.unizh.ch
fil...@itesmvf1.bitnet
scre...@ua1vm.bitnet
film...@iubvm.bitnet
clas...@brownvm.bitnet
tv...@trearn.bitnet
CHARTER
Rec.music.movies is an unmoderated newsgroup welcoming discussion
and information on all aspects of music as it is used in motion
pictures and television, including:
--Film/television score collecting and appreciation, whether it be
serious or casual
--Film/television music history
--Film/television music composers or artists
--Reviews of film music soundtrack releases on CD or LP
--Reviews/discussion of music used in TV series or miniseries
--The aesthetics of the use of music in film and television
--The film/television music industry
Discussion will not be limited to any certain type of music (i.e.,
orchestral, pop-rock, original or adapted); exchanges on ALL types
of music used in motion pictures and television are encouraged.
Have you found a copy of "The Caine Mutiny" LP in your basement and
don't know what to do with it? Who's your favorite film music
composer? What song did you think should have won Best Original
Song at the Oscars? Just what IS "diegetic music," anyway? What's
the name of that song you heard in that movie you just saw? What's
your favorite TV theme song? Are you wondering if your favorite
movie music is out on CD? Which film music CDs do you recommend?
How do you think music should be used in films and on TV?
Rec.music.movies is the place for these questions (and answers).
RATIONALE
Why rec.music.movies?
Rec.music.movies will centralize discussion about film music
collecting and appreciation, subjects which obviously overlap on
both "movies" and "music," but which hitherto have had no obvious
"home" in any existing newsgroup. Those users wishing to discuss
aspects of film music have been scattered throughout several
existing newsgroups for a long time, and the creation of
rec.music.movies would bring all such discussions conveniently
together in one newsgroup. Rec.music.movies will also have the
additional benefit of reducing the number of postings on both
rec.arts.movies and rec.music.classical (which have been most often
used for movie music discussion).
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: vo...@geoworks.com
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing
list, and if your newsreader honors the "reply-to" line. Double-check
the address before sending your ballot.
Your mail message should contain one (and only one) of the following
statements:
I vote YES on rec.music.movies
I vote NO on rec.music.movies
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered
correctly.
Each person may vote only once, no matter how many accounts he or she
may have. Also, only one ballot will be accepted from any account, no
matter how many people may share it. If more than one vote is received
from any person or any account, only the last vote received will be
counted.
Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final
voting results list. All ballots received are kept in the UVV archives
(including "cancelled" and invalid ballots). The vote files are made
available to the moderator of news.announce.newgroups on request. They
may also, at the discretion of the UVV, be made more widely available
if there is a controversy concerning the vote.
Andrew Solovay
CHARTER
--Film/television music history
--The film/television music industry
RATIONALE
Why rec.music.movies?
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: vo...@geoworks.com
BOUNCES
The following people have submitted valid ballots, but my EMail
acknowledgement bounced. they do not need to revote.
rec.music.movies Bounce List
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da...@roth-music.com David A. Roth
del...@roth-music.com Delena E. Roth
Dirk.van....@risc.uni-linz.ac.at
INVALID VOTES
The following people have submitted invalid ballots and have not
superseded them with valid ones.
Votes in error
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dl...@sequent.com David Lake (dlake)
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THOM...@dhhalden.no THOMAS NESSE
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TON...@carleton.edu MaryAnn Toner
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Andrew Solovay
unmoderated group rec.music.movies passes 270:34
There were 270 YES votes and 34 NO votes, for a total of 304 valid votes.
There were 2 abstains and 6 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 10 May 1994.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.
Vote-taker's address: asol...@geoworks.com (Andrew Solovay)
Group proponent's address: ell...@delphi.com (Ellen Edgerton)
Newsgroups line:
rec.music.movies Music for movies and television.
CHARTER (culled from the Call for Votes)
Rec.music.movies is an unmoderated newsgroup welcoming discussion
and information on all aspects of music as it is used in motion
pictures and television, including:
--Film/television score collecting and appreciation, whether it be
serious or casual
--Film/television music history
--Film/television music composers or artists
--Reviews of film music soundtrack releases on CD or LP
--Reviews/discussion of music used in TV series or miniseries
--The aesthetics of the use of music in film and television
--The film/television music industry
Discussion will not be limited to any certain type of music (i.e.,
orchestral, pop-rock, original or adapted); exchanges on ALL types
of music used in motion pictures and television are encouraged.
Have you found a copy of "The Caine Mutiny" LP in your basement and
don't know what to do with it? Who's your favorite film music
composer? What song did you think should have won Best Original
Song at the Oscars? Just what IS "diegetic music," anyway? What's
the name of that song you heard in that movie you just saw? What's
your favorite TV theme song? Are you wondering if your favorite
movie music is out on CD? Which film music CDs do you recommend?
How do you think music should be used in films and on TV?
Rec.music.movies is the place for these questions (and answers).
rec.music.movies Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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HUM...@mcvax.csusb.edu
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IO2...@maine.maine.edu
IZZ...@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
James.L...@eng.sun.com James Langdell
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jmic...@uoguelph.ca Jesse S Micheals
j...@tardis.tymnet.com Joe Smith
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john...@aol.com
john...@aol.com
jon...@ksu.ksu.edu The Machine
jp...@acs.uwa.edu.au
jr...@aol.com
js9...@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu Jeremy David Schirer
jvis...@sci.kun.nl Jos Vissers
k08...@hobbes.kzoo.edu Jamie E. Elsila
k...@nevada.edu
ke...@celtech.com Keith Gregoire
ke...@maths.lth.se Kent Strahlen
kerv...@entaluve.cam.org Tanguy Kervahut
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khe...@ms.uky.edu Kenneth Herron
KJ...@jaguar.uofs.edu BILLY JOEL RULES
KL...@enh.nist.gov
k...@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Bob Kosovsky
ky...@kybercom.com KYBERCOM
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la...@carina.unm.edu Lazlo Nibble
ldke...@unix.amherst.edu Lukas Kendall
l...@delilah.lbl.gov Lon Amerman
LFEL...@delphi.com
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l...@netcom.com Laura Burchard
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ls...@cec.wustl.edu Lara S. Hughes
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mar...@zso.dec.com shawn marier
mas...@khan.cam.org Massimo Fasciano
mawi...@tx.ncsu.edu
mbl...@cs.uml.edu Matthew S. Black
MC...@ac.grin.edu Ted A McCoy
mefo...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Mary Ellen Foster
mgl...@students.wisc.edu Michael G. P. Lee
mha...@andy.bgsu.edu Michael F. Haynes
Michal.J...@fuw.edu.pl
mjf...@midway.uchicago.edu Michael J. Fath
MORR...@stsci.edu So long and thanks for all the fish
mp...@mpark.demon.co.uk Murray C Park
mrwa...@phoenix.princeton.edu Melissa Rhoads Warden
Mr_Gi...@mindlink.bc.ca Mike Quigley
ms...@andrew.cmu.edu Michael Gordon Shapiro
n-p...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu peal nora c
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nche...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Neil Hepburn
ner...@cs.depaul.edu R. J. Wolfe
ne...@netcom.com Nexus
nia...@comm.mot.com Niall O' Byrne
nm0...@zserv2.dsac.dla.mil Ronza R Nash
ntag...@csugrad.cs.vt.edu Nada Taghavi
od...@io.org Chuck Kahn
or...@midway.uchicago.edu Jim Ortlieb
ovill...@daimi.aau.dk Ole Villumsen
oz...@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
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pap...@cabell.vcu.edu Adolphus A. Walker
pa...@astro.umd.edu
paul%taarn...@iro.umontreal.ca
PEGO...@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Library
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phi...@labtam.oz.au Philip Stephens
pja...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Phillip George Jaros
pkou...@sas.upenn.edu Panos Koutlis
plaj...@snakemail.hut.fi Pentti J Lajunen
PRY...@vm.temple.edu Cal
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rabu...@illuminati.io.com Jeff Gaines
ra...@ease50.sandiegoca.ncr.com Ray Cole
ra...@uclink.berkeley.edu Dipanjan Ray
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rfei...@us.oracle.com Roger Feigelson
rf...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Richard John Fuss
rg...@andrew.cmu.edu Reuven William Goren
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rtu...@ruacad.ac.runet.edu
ruf...@cae.wisc.edu
r...@oso.chalmers.se Rafal Maszkowski
sa...@bernina.ethz.ch Sacha Kalchofner
sal...@netcom.com Sally Smith
sam...@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Susan M Kaye
sap...@mit.edu Seth
sau...@ee.nus.sg Soh Kam Yung
SC...@uncmvs.oit.unc.edu Sterling
scott...@aol.com Scott Pierson
scyt...@cmu.edu Daniel Martinez
sde...@cap.gwu.edu Sally Dewey
sea...@cie.uoregon.edu Sean Axmaker
sha...@sis6000.fujitsu.oz.au Shaun Bliss
she...@pipeline.com Richard Sheckman
shi...@phoenix.cs.uga.edu
si...@eos.research.canon.oz.au Simon Walmsley
si...@midland.co.nz Simon Lyall
sim...@stone.saar.de Christian Simons
sir...@ucsu.colorado.edu Boong
ssi...@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu Stephen Simms
ssp...@andy.bgsu.edu Sonia specht
st...@jetson.uh.edu Fazia Begum Rizvi
sta...@strix.udac.uu.se Martin Kulldorff
stct...@shrsys.hslc.org Noel S. McFerran
st...@warthog.ru.ac.za MR DJ POOLE
s...@nevada.edu STH
s...@contrib.de Stefan Kurth
str...@badlands.nodak.edu Jason M Straub
sull...@fa.disney.com Michael Sullivan
swil...@channelz.gun.de Sascha Wildner
tha...@owlnet.rice.edu Thai Quoc Vo
tha...@netcom.com
thor...@radar.mk.open.de Thorsten Kitz
tll...@eis.calstate.edu T'Vusa Llewellyn
Todd.K...@nl.cs.cmu.edu
TON...@carleton.edu MaryAnn Toner
treu...@pi1.informatik.uni-siegen.de Ralf Treuherz
U0...@wvnvm.wvnet.edu George V. Chastain
u...@zoodle.robin.de Ulrich Grepel
ur...@titan.ucs.umass.edu Richard R Urena
v91...@si.hhs.nl
v92...@si.hhs.nl
var...@sils.umich.edu Ken Varnum
ve...@catt.ncsu.edu Phillip Alden Vega
vuno...@netcom.com Varda Ullman Novick
wesl...@dcc.unicamp.br
wi...@merlin.etsu.edu Bob Wier
w...@augfl.be Wim Van Goethem
w...@netcom.com Steven M. Blacher
wrig...@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
wst...@gas.uug.arizona.edu web a staley
yada...@gallif.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Dave Shariff Yadallee
Voted No
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bai...@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Ed Bailey
cko...@midway.uchicago.edu
crou...@flidh102.delcoelect.com
c...@cs.brandeis.edu Cousin It
dave.l...@pulse.com Dave Lampson
e...@msc.edu Edward Bertsch
e...@darkstar.irony.com Ed Taychert
erod...@whale.st.usm.edu Elizabeth Rodgers
for...@ihlpf.att.com
fs...@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P. Ryan
fu...@gl.umbc.edu Francis A Uy
ge...@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu Jerimiah Geronimo Gentry
ghl...@splitpea.berkeley.edu Gina Leong
gt0...@prism.gatech.edu Brennan Tennesen Price
gt...@sas.upenn.edu Gabriel G Tsui
holl...@kpc.com Steve Hollasch
j4...@midway.uchicago.edu mary-frances jagod
j...@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson
Kari....@fmi.fi Kari E. Hurtta
kr...@cs.wisc.edu Kregg Brooks
kr...@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
lmcc...@freya.cs.umass.edu
ma...@server.cs.virginia.edu
min...@summit.novell.com Marcel-Franck Simon
ni...@wildcat.dartmouth.edu Nils Nieuwejaar
ri...@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rsro...@wam.umd.edu R S Rodgers
sia...@kaiwan.com Siamak Ansari
sis...@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu W Sissel
sma...@turing.toronto.edu Marc Moorcroft
ssc...@nomvs.lsumc.edu
stai...@bga.com Dwight Brown
unisql!r...@cs.utexas.edu Ray Shea
WA...@ernie.van.forintek.ca Ward F. Bush
Abstained
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ma...@comm.mot.com Matt Ward
m...@redbrick.com Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
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bose...@aol.com
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dl...@sequent.com David Lake (dlake)
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s...@sztma.tu-graz.ac.at Martin Schemitsch