I thought it was a good ending. I think it is very interesting how people
can dream of things that they fantasize about in ways that they would never
even consider doing in real life. It's like a release for the evil inside,
without actually being evil.
Barry
> -- "I am not a language ... I am a human being!"
I WHOLLY agree! I don't think there's been a movie that bad (with such promise
- didn't Jennifer Chambers Lynch author ((or maybe co-authored in light of
seeing how atrocious BH was)) the Secret Diary?) released in my lifetime. A
pity but maybe a blessing: I'd hate to see her try to follow in daddy's
footsteps for too long. Let's hope she's learned a lesson.
Andi
>In article <2sl2f4$7...@hydra.unm.edu>, ccap...@unm.edu (o captain my captain) writes:
>|> In article <2skkv5...@cs.utk.edu>,
>|> Michael Atherton <athe...@frisbee.cs.utk.edu> wrote:
>|> >In article <40...@dwrsun5.dwrsun4.UUCP>, pe...@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg) writes:
>|> >|> but I was disappointed with the ending. Oh, boy, it never happened!
>|> >|> What a cop out. Is this supposed to be Lynch's idea of a happy
>|> >|> ending?
>|>
>|> >It may just be the worst movie I've ever seen. If you
>|> >liked this movie I'd really like to know why.
>|>
>|> ok, i'll admit, i'm one of the four people who liked this movie. i'm not
>|> saying it's a great movie, just good and interesting. the thing that i
>|> liked about it was that it was the perfect representation of a typical
>|> relationship, only more honest. i've never had a relationship, but the
>|> ones i see around me have a lot in common with this one.
>|> i also liked the ending because many people only fantasize about
>|> controlling others, and never actually do it.
>|> yours,
>|> ccapt.
>The only way that a someone could think that this movie portrayed
>a real relationship is to never have had one. BTW, who are
>the other three people who liked this movie? ;)
Yo! I'm one. I thought that this was one of the most twisted pieces of film
I've ever seen, and I LIKED IT!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The relationship
that developed between the two was stretching things a bit thin, tho'.
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I just saw Boxing Helena. It wasn't bad (it was certainly different)
but I was disappointed with the ending. Oh, boy, it never happened!
What a cop out. Is this supposed to be Lynch's idea of a happy
ending? I would have preferred something more bittersweet where she
has to deal with living the rest of her life that way. I haven't read
any other opinions of this movie to avoid spoilers. What's your
opinion?
Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
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> I just saw Boxing Helena. It wasn't bad (it was certainly different)
> but I was disappointed with the ending. Oh, boy, it never happened!
> What a cop out. Is this supposed to be Lynch's idea of a happy
> ending? I would have preferred something more bittersweet where she
> has to deal with living the rest of her life that way. I haven't read
> any other opinions of this movie to avoid spoilers. What's your
> opinion?
As most people seemed to do, you missed Jennifer Lynch's point of
using the "it was all a dream" cop-out. It is partly your fault but it
is mostly Lynch's fault. The dream was set up to do one thing: make you
feel cheated. The film's focus was on manipulation. First with the
woman on the doctor and then vice-versa. To attempt a little "virtual
reality", Lynch made almost the entire film a dream so the audience felt
cheated and manipulated. It worked wonders as most people *did* feel
that way. Unfortunately, most people missed out why.
Dean
Helge Kvingedal,
student at University of Bergen, Norway
If she wasn't Lynch's daughter the screenplay would have
been gracing the bottom of bird cages.
>It may just be the worst movie I've ever seen. If you
This movie was SO bad I can't even think of a worse one.
It may just be the worst movie I've ever seen. If you
liked this movie I'd really like to know why.
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> This movie was SO bad I can't even think of a worse one.
> It may just be the worst movie I've ever seen. If you
> liked this movie I'd really like to know why.
I have to agree with this opinion. I was EXTREMELY disappointed. Not
that Fenn's performance was that bad, but I think I expected a LOT more
from the daughter ofa genius. (Not that she could quite fill his boots
anyway :-). I don't know. The music sucked up the butt in a BIG way
too. When he was being a peeping-Tom, I wanted to scream, "Not that music!
Pick something more sinister!"
Oh well...I'm not a director, but I saw many things in the movie that I
would have changed.
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> Yo! I'm one. I thought that this was one of the most twisted pieces of film
>I've ever seen, and I LIKED IT!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The relationship
>that developed between the two was stretching things a bit thin, tho'.
Aww, c'mon...you mean to say you didn't like the HILARIOUS montage of
the "couple" in the garden, in the kitchen, etc.? It was just like the
send-up "falling-in-love" montage in Naked Gun, but DOUBLY hilarious with
Sherilyn Fenn as an amputee.
It's a terrible film, but there was more laughter and applause
(especially when Sherilyn got hit by the truck...) in the theatre where I
saw it than with any other movie I'd ever seen. On the big screen, it was
quite the hoot.
2609c...@vms.csd.mu.edu esc...@solaria.mil.wi.us
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> >The only way that a someone could think that this movie portrayed
> >a real relationship is to never have had one. BTW, who are
> >the other three people who liked this movie? ;)
I liked it.
> I agree totally. I can't imagine any man falling in love with anyone who
> is as big a bitch as Sherilyn Fenn's character, much less mooning over her
> and lusting after her the way the doctor did. Both of their characters were
> pathetic.
Falling in "love" with someone who appears to not give a crap
about you is very common. Ever hear that Morrissey song? 8)
"The more you ignore me, the closer I get."
Dean
The only way that a someone could think that this movie portrayed
a real relationship is to never have had one. BTW, who are
the other three people who liked this movie? ;)
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Gee, I felt the same way after seeing "Attack of the Killer Tomatos",
but I'm glad I didn't have to pay for it. Both films had about
the same amount of intellectual content. I though Jennifer Lynch's
point was to illustrate that 20 year old rich kids with no life
experience can't make good movies.
There's just no accounting for culture. ;)
While she was in Norway you should have granted her citizenship,
she might have stayed. :)
> As most people seemed to do, you missed Jennifer Lynch's point of
>using the "it was all a dream" cop-out. It is partly your fault but it
>is mostly Lynch's fault. The dream was set up to do one thing: make you
>feel cheated. The film's focus was on manipulation. First with the
>woman on the doctor and then vice-versa. To attempt a little "virtual
>reality", Lynch made almost the entire film a dream so the audience felt
>cheated and manipulated. It worked wonders as most people *did* feel
>that way. Unfortunately, most people missed out why.
> Dean
Finally a post from someone who has something insightful to say about this
film! I saw it, and found it interesting. Far from perfect, but
interesting nonetheless, and worth watching. The ridiculous relationship
developed is perfectly PERFECTLY like the foolish fantasies that weak
personalities indulge in regularly.
I'm getting really tired of the happy-ending perpetuation whining that goes
on every time there is a film that leaves the audience feeling unsatisfied.
Spider.
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"Anarchy must embrace the din of bombs and cannon-fire
...Yet always must it love sweet music more."
"go-Go-GO!"
I think the actions Julian Sands' character partakes in (and fantasizes
about partaking in) are a whole lot more characteristic of a straight
obsession with a constructed fantasy personality: That is, he sees what he
wants to see, and, obsessing on that precludes her real personality. I'm
sure he THINKS he loves her, but it's doubtful that he does.
As to how common it is, who can say? Lots of people fantasize about others,
and some of them definitely carry it to a harmful degree...
But "Attack of the Killer Tomatos" was a much better film. The ending
doesn't really count because it was a laugh riot all the way through.
"Return of the Killer Tomatos" was even better. The cartoon series was
mostly disappointing, although it did have its moments. (One of my
favorites is when Dr. Gangreen had to show some identification and he
produced a Fox Kids' Club card.) It was a great showcase for the
talents of Maurice LeMarche. And I always like to see John Astin get
work.
Blech
> >woman on the doctor and then vice-versa. To attempt a little "virtual
> >reality", Lynch made almost the entire film a dream so the audience felt
> >cheated and manipulated. It worked wonders as most people *did* feel
> >that way. Unfortunately, most people missed out why.
>
> Finally a post from someone who has something insightful to say about this
> film! I saw it, and found it interesting. Far from perfect, but
> interesting nonetheless, and worth watching. The ridiculous relationship
> developed is perfectly PERFECTLY like the foolish fantasies that weak
> personalities indulge in regularly.
All the actions that the characters made in BOXING HELENA could
have easily been taken out of real life. If not for the dastardly events
but then for the emotional ties. This was just a weak-willed (on both
parts) relationship taken to the extreme. And what more are films then
everyday life taken to the extreme?
> I'm getting really tired of the happy-ending perpetuation whining that goes
> on every time there is a film that leaves the audience feeling unsatisfied.
I agree and I'm happy someone else is defending this film.
Dean
I should have asked this earlier, but how did being "cheated
and maniuplated" relate to the plot? Did Lynch state this
as being her intent is an interview so something?
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|> > Dean
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|> Finally a post from someone who has something insightful to say about this
|> film! I saw it, and found it interesting. Far from perfect, but
|> interesting nonetheless, and worth watching. The ridiculous relationship
|> developed is perfectly PERFECTLY like the foolish fantasies that weak
|> personalities indulge in regularly.
Readers be warned! Although Spider thought this film was "worth
watching", I'd like to get my money back. You'd have to pay me to
sit through this film again.
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|> I'm getting really tired of the happy-ending perpetuation whining that goes
|> on every time there is a film that leaves the audience feeling unsatisfied.
In its own weird way this film has a happy ending.
|>
|> Spider.
Some of the actions of the characters could have been taken
out of real life, but the sequence of actions could not have
been. The characters in this film did not in anyway reflect
the personalities of real individuals. You would not find
the same set of personality traits displayed by the male
character in a real surgeon (he would never had made it
through medical school). The woman character is also too
one dimensional. SPOILER!!! Her responses after the accident
are completely inconsistent, but of course it's his dream! ACK!!!
And then again the dream is not consistent with the personality
of his character. The only thing that these characters are
representative of is the imagination of an upper-middle class
college girl who hasn't experienced much of life.
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|> > I'm getting really tired of the happy-ending perpetuation whining that goes
|> > on every time there is a film that leaves the audience feeling unsatisfied.
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|> I agree and I'm happy someone else is defending this film.
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|> Dean
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Hey, I thought it was a very happy ending.... I was so glad it was over!
My unsatisfied feeling stemmed from not the copout/cleverly thought out
ending, but rather from the generally poor acting and directing. This
humble opinion comes to you from one who admires Sherilyn Fenn at least as
much as the next guy. Yes, even she disappointed me this time. Has she
been even remotely believable in anything other than the first season of TP?
Respects,
Bayard
Me three, it was a damn good film...
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where dull, boring people can meet, and reproduce. - Frank
not to confuse lynch's but this movie was not directed by david lynch but
was his daughters feature length directorial debut.
why i like something is very subjective, but i don't live in tennessee
so that is as good a reason as any.
regards,
james, pet...@iex.com
When she can learn how to act? Serious babe, yes. Serious
actress, no.
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I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
Well! Let's be snobbish. <:| How about a regional prejudice?
So happens I'm a native Californinan, but I'll take Tennessee
any day. People here are much more polite than in most other
parts of the country, as evidenced above.
|>
|> regards,
|> james, pet...@iex.com
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1. Why is an attractive intelligent and successfull Doctor who has a
beautiful fiancee so obsessed with a woman who treats him so shabily?
2. Why am I still watching this movie?
In real life I believe it is a very rare case indeed where someone
with enough intellectual fortitude to complete Med School exhibits so
ridiculously
inappropiate behaviour. This is not to say that intelligence or education
exempts one from criminality, it is just that the premise of this movie
BITES!!!
I felt the same way when i saw the movie DAMAGE...
TR
: Respects,
: Bayard
I have to disagree with you about Sherylin Fenn's acting. I thought she
saved the movie. I think it must be very difficult to play a limbless
woman, and she was certainly convincing. Her initial reaction was great!
I think she's been believable in a lot of movies: Just one of the Guys,
Meridian(aka Kiss of the Beast), Diary of a Hitman, Ruby, Crime Zone,
and who can forget her excellent portrayal of a Southern Belle in Two Moon
Junction? "Darlin', don't you ever take a Southern woman for granted."
OUCH!!
-cakeboy
-- Paula
Well, I definitely agree that she's worth watching. Meridian is the only
film you mention that I have seen, but I'd like to see more. From what
I've heard, these films may not be the best, but I think I would enjoy
them :). How does one come by a copy of "Meridian" (for example)?
Regarding TMJ and, apparently, Ruby: why, why did she have to go blonde?
Yuck!
Oh well, happy hunting...
: -- Paula
I agree totally...Ruby was not a particularly great film, but Fenn's
performance kept me watching...same goes for Boxing Helena...
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* I reccomend maybe "THREE OF HEARTS" or "OF MICE AND MEN". I think she
looks horrible in blonde hair. Now, if she'd only come and live with me...
ToNy A.
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