>From: bgr...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Bruce Grant)
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>No discussion of bad movie accents is complete without mentioning
>William Hurt's Russian accent in "Gorky Park".
AFAIK, nobody in "Gorky Park" spoke with Russian accent. The Russians in
the movie were played by British actors who spoke with British accent.
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--How about the non-accents in Paths of Glory and Kevin Costner in Robin
Hood: Prince of Thieves?
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What about Keanu Reeves pathetic attempt at an English accent
in "Bram Stoker's Dracula?" I don't mind Keanu Reeves, but
he shouldn't attempt any accents.
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John
YEs! I love it when Reeves asks, "Is the castle far?" Some members of
the audience started laughing.....
BARRY
Has anyone volunteered Kevin Costner's Robin Hood? Surely.
Larry
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Having just seen Quiz Show, I was going to ask a wider question.
Given that it is easier to spot poor attempts at accents you are
used to (so it is rotten English, Welsh, Scottish, cockney,
Liverpudlian etc. that get me chewing the carpet), how
good were Ralph Fiennes and Paul Scofield's accents in the
film in the eyes of "locals"?
J.
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Speaking of Nick Nolte and bad accents, how about his Italian accent in
Lorenzo's Oil? Ugh!
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Shaun Hervey
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Melanie Griffith in BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES, trying to sound like a
southern belle but sounding instead like she's got lockjaw and is
talking through her nose.
Madonna in WHO's THAT GIRL, I think her character was supposed to be
from Philly, but Madonna sounded like she was from the Bronx at the
start of the film. The accent, though, dissipated little by little
throughout the film.
(I've-said-it-before dept.).
Perhaps. But no living person in this day and age knows what a 12th-
century English accent truly sounded like, and, thus far, no audio
recordings exist. It's merely a convention of "Robin Hood" movies
that a modern English accent is used (a similar convention is to use
modern English words as well :-). For all we know, Costner's was the
most accurate accent in the entire cast! :-)
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I'm not a midwestern native, but I thought Paul Scofield's accent was
extremely good. I thought he sounded like a midwesterner some time before I
saw his University of Illinois diploma. When I've seen Brits playing
Americans before, they try to "out-American" the American speech
qualities, ending up with ultra-flat vowels, etc., and end up sounding
like parodies of Texans. (I mean no offense to Texans here -- it just
seems like British actors seize upon the Texan accent specifically and
out-Texan it.) For example, Kenneth Branagh's accent in "Dead Again" is
way, way overdone.
Ralph Fiennes, on the other hand, never completely managed to subdue
his British accent. I think most Americans are willing to suspend
disbelief a little -- thinking, "OK, this guy is part of the
intellectual/cultural elite, no big surprise if he sounds a little
British" -- but Fiennes's accent problems wouldn't have been so
noticeable if Scofield's accent also sounded British.
Christine
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Oh give me a bloody break there, pal. That is like saying that since since we had no audio proof, that the 17th century French spoke french with an American accent. Or saying since that it has not been unproven there could be people on the moon. It is sophistry. A fallacious argument. AND ANYONE THAT ATTEMPTS TO ARGUE THAT KOSTNER DID A GOOD ROBIN HOOD ACCENT HAS TO BE FULL OF SHIT HE SUCKED.
For good or for ill Kostner, plays best, and maybe only can play Americans who expouse good old american values.
I am sure this is true when foreign characters are represented.
Hollywood usually uses Mexican people to represent just about
any hispanic, or sometimes American-born hispanic people. Like
the drug lord Escobedo in "Clear and Present Danger", could not
disguise the American accent... trying to sound Colombian, not
in a million years!
Marcelo
Doesn't even TRY to hide his accent.
Just pretends that Russians are from Scotland.
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No Way!!!!
By far the worst accents in films are Irish (Or should i say Oirish) ones.
Even in recent movies:- Blown Away: What was Tommy L J at?????
Far and Away: "Oimmm Jooooosef Doooooonnneeleeee"
Patriot Games: Richard Harris as Irish-Scots-Welsh
confused IRA man.
These are just a few examples from the last few years. If you go back even
further it just gets worse and worse.
In a comic fantasy some leeway can be granted. But in "Blown Away"
Tommy Lee Jones, a great actor, gives an appalling impersonation
of a Northern Irish accent. Better to adopt the Sean Connery approach
and play Russians, Englishmen and Americans as variations on a Glaswegian
theme.
Sean Connery in Highlander. He played an Egyptian who traveled to Japan and Spain, and went to Scotland to find the Highlander. I don't think the "Chief Metallurgist of the King of Spain" would have had the time to learn the accent of the Scots before he met Connor MacLeod, or he probably would not have introduced himself as one of the employees of the Spanish King.
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But despite this, you still believe that he is a Russian which says either that Sean Connery is such a great actor that he doesn't need to actually act, or that the cinema going public is highly gullible and will believe anything! You choose.
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: Hollywood usually uses Mexican people to represent just about
: any hispanic, or sometimes American-born hispanic people. Like
: the drug lord Escobedo in "Clear and Present Danger", could not
: disguise the American accent... trying to sound Colombian, not
: in a million years!
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I agree. The most pitiful attempt at a Puerto Rican accent has got to be
Al Pacino's in "Carlito's Way." It was pretty bad.
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Uh, I think you mean "Bonfire of the Vanities", and I agree, it stinks.
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kevin costner in robin hood.
don't see it.
: Christine
Familial consistency in accent and general physical appearance (let alone
eye color) is frequently absent in big star movies. And accessory characters
often pop up with inappropriate accents; the fact that Dr. Richard Kimbal's
classmate from medical school retains a strong Dutch accent is never alluded
to in the script of "The Fugitive". (Krabbe was a late replacement.)
Britons generally consider that their actors do a better job at American
accents than vice versa, which is hardly surprising given their consumption
of American TV, music and film. Media accents and dialects tend to be
standardised; perhaps this causes an underestimation of regional nuances in
American English by British actors?
It seems to me that Americans are much less indignant about minor mistakes
in these matters than the Brits.
BTW I thought Natasha Richardson's accent in "Nell" was consistent and
inconspicuous: any opinions?
Aaaarrrgggh! Sean Connery is from EDINBURGH not Glasgow. Thats like
saying someone is from L.A. when they're from New York. Actually it's
worse than that because of the amazing rivalry betwen Scotland's two major
cities.
Edinburgh's much better coz it has a Film Festival! (and I live
there ;-) )
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how about mass-accent-foulup, as in `the 3 musketeers', where charlie,
kiefer, oliver and chris retained their american accents, while the king,
the queen, her lady-in-waiting, and the villains, all had english
accents? and this was set in France!
*JJ*
> how about mass-accent-foulup, as in `the 3 musketeers', where charlie,
>kiefer, oliver and chris retained their american accents, while the king,
>the queen, her lady-in-waiting, and the villains, all had english
>accents? and this was set in France!
>
> *JJ*
What do you think of Nick Nolte's desperate Italian Accent in Lorenzo's oil.
It was by far the worst I have heard.
Czar
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it was supposed to be a boston jewish accent (he was from
Brookline). i cannot comment on whether or not it was
accurate, but, yes, it was annoying.
chris
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> it was supposed to be a boston jewish accent (he was from
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I've got to say that I found Ralph Fiennes accent worse than Morrow's
attempt. Before seeing the movie, I'd heard way to much about Morrow's
bad accent, but I was really surprised that Fiennes didn't do better. I
couldn't stand the fact that his British accent kept bleeding through
every second sentence he uttered. I think he's a wonderful actor and
quite a looker, but his accent in the show was no screamin' hell.
PS - Morrow shouldn't have abandoned Fleischman on Northern Exposure. He
was great...
Lisa
Of course I'm using "Glaswegian" in the synecdochical sense in which a
part is put for the whole. We're fierce fond of synecdoche and metonymy on
the Rock. Substitute "Scottish" for the offending adjective,if you like and
add "The Untouchables" to the amazing list of films in one accent.
My POINT is the accent is usually less important than the acting but
overdoing a regional accent can ruin a film.
Sagar
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convincing)...
Olivier in just about any non-German accent. His "Othello" was
notoriously, insultingly bad & he was grotesque in "Cat on a
Hot Tin Roof." The problem, of course, was who'd tell him?
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This flying is amazing. Those people down there look just like aunts.
The MOST offensive 'Southern'<?> accent I've ever heard, outside of TV
shows a la 'Dukes of Hazzard', was Joe Pesci in JFK....puh-LEEZ!! That
"New Joisey" honk of his will never pass for ANY other dialect, least of
all Southern!!
Kent, very Southern in NC
did kevin even attempt an english accent? it seemed to me (i
only saw the movie once in the theater) that he used his normal
california guy accent. i found _that_ bothersome, to be sure.
actually, a real New Orleans accent doesn't sound that Southern at all; in
fact it's quite like a good Bronx accent.
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What about Englishmen speaking in American accents? I can't
really tell being English, so what did you Americans think of
Tim Roth`s accent in RD, or Gary Oldman's accent in The
Professional. I'd be interested to know
James
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Tom Cruise in Far & Away....
Some English (or Irish or Scot) actors do fine American accents. Some
don't. Olivier's American accent in some of his later work was very
false. (Seems like Olivier spent most of his later years butchering
various accents in various films.) I personally found Kenneth Branagh's
American/LA accent in "Dead Again" quite convincing, though some thought
it a little off. Bob Hoskins is widely acknowledged to be extremely adept
at an American accent, when he puts his mind to it. (Which he doesn't
always.) Tim Roth did a fine job of it in "Reservoir Dogs," and Oldman's was
OK in "The Professional." Daniel Day-Lewis does a good American accent,
of the upper-class, Eastern money variety, in "The Age of Innocence." On
the other hand, in British television shows most American characters are
played by British actors (which is no surprise), and most of them blow
the accent. Michael Caine's sorry attempt at a Southern accent in "Hurry,
Sundown" is another example of a failure.
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I think the english actor in Die Hard 1, did a good american accent, when
he first came upon Bruce Willis, it was a little overdone, but perfect
for the scene.
Also, Kevin Costner's Accent in Robin HOod, what the hell was that???
The movie was "Empire of the Sun" based on the book of the same title,
which was written by J.G. BALLARD, *not* E.M. Forster.
: Close seconds include -
: Gone with the Wind
I must be the only person in the world who does not like this movie,
despite the wonderful performances, sets, costumes, cinematography, etc.
I just hate the story.
: Doctor in the House (one of the 'Doctor' films anyway)
: Casablanca
Chaplin's "City Lights" always gets me in that emotional place.
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Kent, I was born and raised in New Orleans. I'm telling you that Joe
Pesci, in the movie JFK, gets the local accent absolutely RIGHT.
Many actors try using a Texas drawl or a Georgia honey tongue for New
Orleans, but Joe did da NITE WAARD of NWA'LANS (ninth ward) proud.
Incidently, there's more than one New Orleans accent, but Pesci speaks
like my people, the people I grew up with.
The amazing thing to me about the Internet and Usenet is how it pulls the
unmitigated hubris (redundant?) out of the woodwork.
Larry "Gumbo" Magee
Well I would have shot him...
>Also, Kevin Costner's Accent in Robin HOod, what the hell was that???
''Yeeee-haaa! Maid Mari-anne!'' :)
Anyway, I want to ask people what films they thought were the most
powerful emotionally - films that you remember having an impact on you.
A few personal examples that I can remember offhand are -
Jean de Florette (I only remember the title because someone else posted it
- a Louis Malle film?)
A Man for All Seasons
That Steven Spielburg film based on an E.M. Forster novel (it made an impact
I just can't remember the title right now! The one with a boy living in a
Japanese camp, singing a hymn to the Kamikaze pilots...)
Close seconds include -
Gone with the Wind
Doctor in the House (one of the 'Doctor' films anyway)
Casablanca
Matt
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A Man for All Seasons is definitely high on my list. It was truly inspiring.
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: What about Englishmen speaking in American accents? I can't
: really tell being English, so what did you Americans think of
: Tim Roth`s accent in RD, or Gary Oldman's accent in The
: Professional. I'd be interested to know
oh wow, i didn't know tim roth was English! in pulp fiction i
thought,"that's a terrible english accent!" and for awhile i thought gary
oldman was american as well. i thought he was doing a bad accent in "sid
and nancy."
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Chaplin's _City Lights_. It's no slouch intellectually, either.
Connie K.
>The movie was "Empire of the Sun" based on the book of the same title,
>which was written by J.G. BALLARD, *not* E.M. Forster.
Ouch. Thanks for correcting me.
'Alive' is another film I nominate for greatest emotional impact.
A few weeks ago, a friend of mine told me that Robert Downey Jr's accent
was supposed to be Australian!
I said to him:
"Hey you're the only person I know who picked up that it was
supposed to be Australian!"
He replied:
"I read it on the net."
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Countess Dei Spinachi--his lending me the 1700l. I almost burst into
tears with joy--my voice trembled with emotion. 'Frank, my boy!' I
exclaimed, 'Frank Marrowfat, my dear fellow!' a glass of wine!'
Blushing--deeply moved--almost as tremulous as myself, Frank answered,
'George, shall it be Hock or Madeira?' I could have hugged him to my heart
but for the presence of the company. [from the Book of Snobs by
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It sounded perfectly Australian to me, do Australians actually think
it didn't? Well I'm not Australian, what do I know?