Godfather II, what's up with Hagen?
Christopher Scott Forlano
started pushing Tom Hagen away from him?
At first, he pulls Tom aside and makes him the Don while he's
away saying Tom is the only person he can trust. Then when
Michael comes back from Cuba, he's yelling at Tom and at the
end accuses him of trying to leave the family. I don't get
it. Does anyone?
Thanks
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Karl Thoroddsen
>Does anyone understand why in the second Godfather movie Michael
>started pushing Tom Hagen away from him?
>At first, he pulls Tom aside and makes him the Don while he's
>away saying Tom is the only person he can trust. Then when
>Michael comes back from Cuba, he's yelling at Tom and at the
>end accuses him of trying to leave the family. I don't get
>it. Does anyone?
Paranoia.
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Jude
>Does anyone understand why in the second Godfather movie Michael
>started pushing Tom Hagen away from him?
>At first, he pulls Tom aside and makes him the Don while he's
>away saying Tom is the only person he can trust. Then when
>Michael comes back from Cuba, he's yelling at Tom and at the
>end accuses him of trying to leave the family. I don't get
>it. Does anyone?
i think it has to do with the self-imposed pressures that michael
took on himself as he got more into godfatherhood.
michael bears all responsibility for the family and when his wife
left, he blew it on tom.
i still cant forgive his killing his brother cos when michael
joined the army both sonny and vito objected but the brother (i
fucking forgot his name) stood by him.
Haroon Rashid
: Does anyone understand why in the second Godfather movie Michael
: started pushing Tom Hagen away from him?
: At first, he pulls Tom aside and makes him the Don while he's
: away saying Tom is the only person he can trust. Then when
: Michael comes back from Cuba, he's yelling at Tom and at the
: end accuses him of trying to leave the family. I don't get
: it. Does anyone?
I thought that Michael trusted Tom Hagen all along, but in the end he
becomes isolated from everyone as his wife leaves him and then he has his
brother, Freddie killed. In the aftermath of his distrust for his brother,
he becomes very cold-hearted and begins to doubt Tom's allegiances as well.
I didn't find Michael's attitude towards Tom as anything odd, because in
light of the change of character that Michael was undergoing this fell in
line.
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Haroon.
Eric Wiliam Fry
business.
Eric Fry
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Christopher Scott Forlano (cfor...@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Does anyone understand why in the second Godfather movie Michael
: Thanks
: Chris Forlano cfor...@cs.utexas.edu
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John Locke
> Does anyone understand why in the second Godfather movie Michael
> started pushing Tom Hagen away from him?
>
> At first, he pulls Tom aside and makes him the Don while he's
> away saying Tom is the only person he can trust. Then when
> Michael comes back from Cuba, he's yelling at Tom and at the
> end accuses him of trying to leave the family. I don't get
> it. Does anyone?
In Godfather I, Tom is kidnapped when the Don is hit. Salazzo convinces
Tom to go back to the family and try and mellow down Sonny. This causes
Tom to preach a softer line on conflicts that arise. Michael detects
Tom's softness and, since Michael is unforgiving, Tom never gets Michael's
full trust again. Michael blocks Tom from becoming conceilerge. Your
above example is another symptom of Michael's distrust.
john
Steven Sullivan
Remember, Tom was the *adopted* son of Don Corleone....and as
Michael has no qualms about planning the death of his blood
brother Fredo, why should freezing out Tom (who can never
be a "real" Corleone) be any problem?
Stephen Lewis Finnie
his wife had shit on him, but as far as what the other guy said
about mike killing Fredo, I woulda had him plugged too. Fredo
tried to have mike and his wife killed, what the hell. That
ain't right for sicilians. Now as far as fredo backin mike when
he went to war, the only reason he didn't object is 'cause he
was too stupid to give a damn. Fredo was a moron, and deserved
what he got for his actions.
Findog
Justin Ray Le Blanc
>i still cant forgive his killing his brother cos when michael
>joined the army both sonny and vito objected but the brother (i
>fucking forgot his name) stood by him.
>
Frederico "Freddo" Corleone
Mario P. Labot Jr.
Fredo would have been a threat to the Corleone family had Michael
spared him. What he tried to do cannot be forgiven even if he's a brother
to the Don. Case in point, Michael had Carlo Rizzo killed for taking part
of Sonny's death. Though he loved his sister Connie, he had an obligation
to rid those who possed a threat.
Sal Tessio was a dependable capo as he served Vito and Mike liked
him. But Sal sold out to the Barzinis and that betrayal cannot be
forgiven and he had to be killed.
I recall reading a chapter from Puzo's book which Tom and Kay was
talking about the deaths of Rizzo and Tessio and Kay being bitter that
Mike had lied when she asked if he ordered the killings. Of course Tom
explained that betrayal cannot be simply forgiven since if they had
lived, they (Sal and Carlo) would be a danger to the family. BTW was that
part of the book was one of the scenes that did not make the final Godfather
II cut?
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