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Larry Appleman

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May 22, 1993, 11:57:57 AM5/22/93
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In article <93142.050...@uicvm.uic.edu> <U10...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not
> talking about porno movies. I am talking about good "R" rated movies. They
> show sex of all types in these movies except masturbation. It is a part of
> our daily life. We have seen in movies almost every thing which we do in
> our daily life except masturbation. Why don't they show that a man/woman
> wakes up in the morning and masturbates (I am sure we all have masturbated
> at least once in the morning). Again, I am talking about good movies, may
> be "R" rated, but not about X rated movies. If anyone of you know about any
> good movies which show scenes of masturbation, please let me know.

Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)

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May 22, 1993, 2:52:13 PM5/22/93
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In article <C7Fr0...@world.std.com>, la...@world.std.com (Larry Appleman) writes:

> In article <93142.050...@uicvm.uic.edu> <U10...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> at least once in the morning). Again, I am talking about good movies, may
>> be "R" rated, but not about X rated movies. If anyone of you know about any
>> good movies which show scenes of masturbation, please let me know.
>
> Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)
>

I think it is not shown much because many still consider it wrong (sadly) and it
is hard to show without getting an X-rating (i.e. you can show a guy
under the covers maybe but you can't actually show 'it' :), women
can maybe get away with a bit more).

Not sure if I would us ehte term 'good' but:

Angi Dickinson in Dressed to KIll
the blonde guy on the island in Lagoon (from the back...)

And a good movie:

The astronauts in the Right Stuff

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Keith Meng-Wei Loh

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May 22, 1993, 2:23:30 PM5/22/93
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la...@world.std.com (Larry Appleman) writes:

>In article <93142.050...@uicvm.uic.edu> <U10...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
>> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not
>> talking about porno movies. I am talking about good "R" rated movies. They
>> show sex of all types in these movies except masturbation. It is a part of
>> our daily life. We have seen in movies almost every thing which we do in
>> our daily life except masturbation. Why don't they show that a man/woman
>> wakes up in the morning and masturbates (I am sure we all have masturbated
>> at least once in the morning). Again, I am talking about good movies, may
>> be "R" rated, but not about X rated movies. If anyone of you know about any
>> good movies which show scenes of masturbation, please let me know.

>Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)

"Fast Times at Ridgemont High".

Keith Meng-Wei Loh

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May 22, 1993, 2:24:41 PM5/22/93
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Another one I forgot ..

"Being There": Shirley MacLaine on the bear rug while Peter Sellars watches.

Recently, "Bad Lieutenant". Harvey Keitel pulls over two teenage girls and
forces them to simulate sex while he wanks off on the road.

CHA WONG

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May 22, 1993, 1:54:21 PM5/22/93
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Also, maybe Bad Lieutenant directed by Abel..... and starring Harvey
Keitel.

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Brian Nejedly

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May 22, 1993, 3:43:28 PM5/22/93
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Don't forget 9 1/2 Weeks when Kim Basinger is watching those slides.

Peter Jackson,CH237A,,

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May 22, 1993, 3:45:56 PM5/22/93
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From article <C7Fr0...@world.std.com>, by la...@world.std.com (Larry Appleman):

> In article <93142.050...@uicvm.uic.edu> <U10...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
>> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not

> Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)

Three more for the Collection: Bergman's "Persona"; "Quadrophenia"; and
de Palma's "Blow Out".

Also "The Fox": a movie of the D. H. Lawrence short story which I haven't
seen for years. Is this on video? Glenda Jackson's in it, I seem to
remember.

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sharon j. bowman

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May 22, 1993, 4:01:07 PM5/22/93
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_Murmur of the Heart_ (dir. Louis Malle)
_Being There_ (stars Peter Sellers; some woman masturbates, if I
remember correctly.)

.....sjb

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May 22, 1993, 5:11:21 PM5/22/93
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The Blue Lagoon
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Craig Shore

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May 22, 1993, 7:16:20 PM5/22/93
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In <1993May22....@news.clarkson.edu>, Peter Jackson,CH237A,, writes:
>>> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
>>> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not
>
>> Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)
>
>Three more for the Collection: Bergman's "Persona"; "Quadrophenia"; and
>de Palma's "Blow Out".
>
>Also "The Fox": a movie of the D. H. Lawrence short story which I haven't
>seen for years. Is this on video? Glenda Jackson's in it, I seem to
>remember.

Also "Pump up the volume", I think that's what it was called, about a student
running a pirate radio station, but it was a more comical look at it rather
than sexual!

Craig.

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Brad Gibson

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May 22, 1993, 8:54:02 PM5/22/93
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In article <H.ea.b0Z...@yonder.equinox.gen.nz> cr...@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
>In <1993May22....@news.clarkson.edu>, Peter Jackson,CH237A,, writes:
>>>> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
>>>> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not
>>
>>> Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)
>>
>>Three more for the Collection: Bergman's "Persona"; "Quadrophenia"; and
>>de Palma's "Blow Out".
>>
>>Also "The Fox": a movie of the D. H. Lawrence short story which I haven't
>>seen for years. Is this on video? Glenda Jackson's in it, I seem to
>>remember.
>
>Also "Pump up the volume", I think that's what it was called, about a student
> running a pirate radio station, but it was a more comical look at it rather
> than sexual!
>

I'm joining this late so it may have been mentioned already, but one of the
better examples of mutual masturbation, handled (no pun intended) in a
mature manner, would have to be the beautiful film,
"Flirting" (the follow-up to "The Year My Voice Broke").

Brad

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Charles U. Farley

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May 22, 1993, 9:34:37 PM5/22/93
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gib...@wendigo.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:

>Also "Pump up the volume", I think that's what it was called, about a student
> running a pirate radio station, but it was a more comical look at it rather
> than sexual!

Hmm. I've heard of this movie... ;-)

Btw, does mental masturbation count? If so, then just about every movie with
a political theme would be eligible.
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Leo Youngmin Wong

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May 22, 1993, 11:56:45 PM5/22/93
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The Temp

Brian Koehler

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May 23, 1993, 1:41:11 AM5/23/93
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_Leolo_ (Canada/1992, Jean-Claude Lauzon).

This gets my vote for the most candid masturbation scenes.

Nancy McGough

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May 23, 1993, 2:15:54 AM5/23/93
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Presumed Innocent has a scene with Harrison Ford's character's
wife masturbating on the bed.

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cybil James

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May 23, 1993, 11:36:54 AM5/23/93
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Go rent Caligula. You're going to see stuff your mamma never told
you about!

Peter Jackson,CH237A,,

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May 23, 1993, 11:24:50 AM5/23/93
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From article <1tn4qq...@news.u.washington.edu>, by nan...@stein2.u.washington.edu (Nancy McGough):

> Presumed Innocent has a scene with Harrison Ford's character's
> wife masturbating on the bed.

similarly Britt Ekland in "Get Carter" in an early example of telephone sex
with Michael Caine.

Tolthrye

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May 23, 1993, 11:49:55 AM5/23/93
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cy...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (cybil James) writes:

>Go rent Caligula. You're going to see stuff your mamma never told
>you about!


Be aware, though...there is an R-rated and an X-rated version.
I have seen the X, never seen the R. I checked in a video
rental store's "logbook" once, and as I recall the R-rated
version is about 40 (40!!!) minutes shorter. Has anyone
seen both versions? I am curious as to how badly the R-
rated version has been butchered.

Tolthrye

John Michael DiCosola

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May 23, 1993, 12:25:18 PM5/23/93
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Good point..

Jennifer Jason Leigh does it in Single White Female, but then again
she's a psychotic killer, so I guess they were trying to show how
deviant she really is.

B.T.W. that movie also had fellatio.

Also, I heard that Sharon Stone does it in the bathtub in Sliver.
supposed to be a poor movie though.

David Steinman

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May 23, 1993, 12:51:51 PM5/23/93
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In article <93142.050...@uicvm.uic.edu> <U10...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not
> talking about porno movies. I am talking about good "R" rated movies. They
> show sex of all types in these movies except masturbation. It is a part of
> our daily life. We have seen in movies almost every thing which we do in
> our daily life except masturbation. Why don't they show that a man/woman
> wakes up in the morning and masturbates (I am sure we all have masturbated
> at least once in the morning). Again, I am talking about good movies, may
> be "R" rated, but not about X rated movies. If anyone of you know about any
> good movies which show scenes of masturbation, please let me know.

Of course, taking a dump is more normal and more natural than masturbation,
yet I don't hear you complaining about the lack of theatrical exposure.

What you're really saying is, hey, I get off on masturbation scenes
involving straight (rather than porn) actors, and I'd like a listing.
Nothing wrong with that, I just don't think I'd wanna broadcast it over
cyberspace.

Go out and buy a copy of "The Bare Facts Guide" by Craig Hosoda (I think).
This guy catalogs every nude scene in every mainstream film, and I'm sure
there's a subsection on masturbation scenes.
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Steven Rubio

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May 23, 1993, 1:14:09 PM5/23/93
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A guy takes a dump in _Sweet Sweetback's Badassssss Song_, FWIW.

Steven

Tolthrye

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May 23, 1993, 1:21:15 PM5/23/93
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>Good point..

I liked Sliver, saw it last night. I think the bad review
rumors were because the critics were miffed that they didn't
get to see it in time to publish their opinions (I heard it
was not released early for them to preview and critique).

However, the masturbation scene wasn't that exciting, it
wasn't clear whether or not Stone was coming or having a bad
acid flashback.

In any case, I think it is a decent whodunnit, it kept us
guessing!

Tolthrye

Jon Eric Peterson

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May 23, 1993, 1:53:28 PM5/23/93
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Does anyone has any information on the actress Polly Walker ?
She has been in _Enchanted April_ and _Sliver_. Has she done any
other films? Is she working on any new projects? Any info on her
background would be appreciated too. Thank you.

/jon

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Michael S Ritchie

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May 23, 1993, 3:03:04 PM5/23/93
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In article <1tobd1$9...@agate.berkeley.edu> sru...@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven R

ubio) writes:
>A guy takes a dump in _Sweet Sweetback's Badassssss Song_, FWIW.

And, of course, a dog takes a dump and Divine eats it in Pink Flamingos.
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Larry Evans

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May 23, 1993, 3:18:12 PM5/23/93
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In article <loh.73...@sfu.ca> l...@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Meng-Wei Loh) writes:
>la...@world.std.com (Larry Appleman) writes:
>
>>In article <93142.050...@uicvm.uic.edu> <U10...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
>>> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not
>>> talking about porno movies. I am talking about good "R" rated movies. They
>>> show sex of all types in these movies except masturbation. It is a part of
>>> our daily life. We have seen in movies almost every thing which we do in
>>> our daily life except masturbation. Why don't they show that a man/woman
>>> wakes up in the morning and masturbates (I am sure we all have masturbated
>>> at least once in the morning). Again, I am talking about good movies, may
>
Margo Kidder masturbates in the movie, "The Reincarnation of Peter Proud",
I believe the movie was released in 1975 or 1974.

Larry Evans

Dan Hartung

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May 23, 1993, 3:45:28 PM5/23/93
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"Butchered" is as butchered does. The director's cut was not to
Bob Guccione's liking, so he returned to Italy and shot a great deal
of new X-rated footage to insert into what otherwise was a halfway
decent heavy-R-rated biopic of the mad Emperor.

True, the version in video is probably CUT fromt he released version,
but is probably closer to the director's original intent. (I forget
who, he may have quit or been fired and not gotten screen credit.)
I enjoyed watching all the sex, but I have to say it slowed the
story down considerably.

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John A. Kilpatrick

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Well, in Hot Shots Part Deux, Saddam Masturbaes with a Dustbuster. I dunno if
this really counts tho....
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David Fox

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May 23, 1993, 10:17:17 PM5/23/93
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Fellini's "Amarcord"

Craig Shore

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In <AfzuJim00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, John Michael DiCosola writes:

>Also, I heard that Sharon Stone does it in the bathtub in Sliver.
>supposed to be a poor movie though.

I wouldn't believe that until i've seen it myself (about it being a poor
movie). It's one of these ones where Sharon Stone is that controvertial
now that people start to hate her movie before seeing it. I bet some people
that just read your comment that it is "Supposed to be poor" have gone and
told someone else... and it carries on through to their friends etc etc.. get
my point?

cpbu...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu

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May 23, 1993, 11:17:47 PM5/23/93
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In article <loh.73...@sfu.ca>, l...@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Meng-Wei Loh) writes:
> Another one I forgot ..
>
> "Being There": Shirley MacLaine on the bear rug while Peter Sellars watches.
>
> Recently, "Bad Lieutenant". Harvey Keitel pulls over two teenage girls and
> forces them to simulate sex while he wanks off on the road.
>

Sharon Stone did a four minute masturbation scene in "Sliver". It was pretty
tame if you ask me, but hey...I'm not complaining!

--Dennis

Coppeans Christopher

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May 23, 1993, 11:55:42 PM5/23/93
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Hey guys (and gals),

I came in late on the 'what causes homosexuality' thread, but I
to know the answer to what seems to be a more basic topic.
What is the criteria for judging one's own or another's sexuality?
(And don't give me this 'you don't know?' crap neither. I think
it's a valid question.) Is it determined by one's conscious
evaluation of him/herself? If so, what exactly is a closet gay?
Is it determined by who someone is attracted to? If so, what
about the fact that almost everybody at one time or another
fantasizes about sex with both sexes? Is it a simple 'most of
the time' method then? If so, where do bisexuals fit in? In
other words, what's the answer?

Also, on another topic, my roommate a few years back had a game
for the PC made for 2 players of opposite sexes. The players
each entered in a number 1 to 100 and the game shot back an
activity for them to do, depending on their choice of numbers and
how long they'd been playing, etc. Anybody know the name of this
game and where it can be found? (please E-mail me the replies)

Chris
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May 23, 1993, 11:02:37 PM5/23/93
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The scene in the movie Sliver has S. Stone doing it in the bathtub.

At least I THINK that's what she's doing.

Either that or she's using some strong soap!
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May 24, 1993, 2:42:27 AM5/24/93
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In article <1993May23...@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvad...@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>The scene in the movie Sliver has S. Stone doing it in the bathtub.
>
>At least I THINK that's what she's doing.
>
>Either that or she's using some strong soap!

yes, it's 'personal size' Ivory.

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William Brad Waller

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May 23, 1993, 5:12:27 PM5/23/93
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Polly Walker also appeared in a somewhat minor (in terms of screentime)
role in Patriot Games... I also heard she was offered (but turned down)
the role of Scarlett in the movie-to-be-made of the same name.

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May 23, 1993, 11:49:27 AM5/23/93
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> Presumed Innocent has a scene with Harrison Ford's character's
> wife masturbating on the bed.
>

Single white female.

Jennifer Jason Leigh in bed, while Bridget Fonda looks on.
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Bill Richard

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May 24, 1993, 3:19:23 AM5/24/93
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Diane Keton in _Looking for Mr Goodbar_

The female lead in _The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea_

-wjr-

MWA...@esoc.bitnet

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BEING THERE. Chancy Garderer (sp) says that he "likes to watch". His female
co-star doesn't know that he likes to watch TV.

Joseph Askew

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In article <C7Fr0...@world.std.com> la...@world.std.com (Larry Appleman) writes:
>In article <93142.050...@uicvm.uic.edu> <U10...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)

Well I have no idea how US classifications go but "Two Moon Junction"
the blonde woman in the shower (of Twin Peaks fame.)

How about a pick for the strangest such scene? - Matador, the guy
watching splatter movies at the beginning. Somehow I don't think
it would get an R in the US. It got an AO here and was even on TV
twice. Odd for a foreign (Spanish) movie.

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Lewis Jones

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May 24, 1993, 1:30:07 AM5/24/93
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"Last Tango in Paris". It is a great movie as well.

Lewey.

Radagast

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May 24, 1993, 1:54:05 AM5/24/93
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John Michael DiCosola <jd...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> Good point..
>
> Jennifer Jason Leigh does it in Single White Female, but then again
> she's a psychotic killer, so I guess they were trying to show how
> deviant she really is.

What?! OH, right. Masturbation is, deviant. Lot of them about.
What did she use? Live worms?

Good point. pah.

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Anthony Horan

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In article <C7HpJ...@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, Tolthrye writes:

> >Also, I heard that Sharon Stone does it in the bathtub in Sliver.
> >supposed to be a poor movie though.
>
> I liked Sliver, saw it last night. I think the bad review
> rumors were because the critics were miffed that they didn't
> get to see it in time to publish their opinions (I heard it
> was not released early for them to preview and critique).

Which, by the way, was NOT a deliberate studio ploy to keep critics away
from the film until it was too late. Director Phil Noyce was editing and
re-editing right up to the eleventh hour of release. He does this on almost
every film he works on.

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In article <May23.175...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, Jon Eric Peterson writes:

> Does anyone has any information on the actress Polly Walker ?
> She has been in _Enchanted April_ and _Sliver_. Has she done any
> other films? Is she working on any new projects? Any info on her
> background would be appreciated too. Thank you.

She was in Patriot Games, as the female member of the terrorist group.
"Sliver" was directed by "Patriot Games" director Phil Noyce, so that may
explain her casting. She doesn't appear in the r.a.m. Actress database at
the moment, but if you like I'll dig out the press kit for "Patriot Games"
and give you her bio. From memory, most of the stuff she had done prior to
"Patriot Games" was in England.

Patrick Kearney

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Steven Rubio (sru...@garnet.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: A guy takes a dump in _Sweet Sweetback's Badassssss Song_, FWIW.


Whilst masturbating? Interesting. I must try this.

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Hows about Bruce Dern in "Tattoo"? A delightfully perverse movie.

Gary Bradley

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In article <C7JBq...@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>, pa...@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
> Hows about Bruce Dern in "Tattoo"? A delightfully perverse movie.


Is anyone compiling a list of all these spiffy.masturbation.flicks???


--Dennis

richard f. dutt

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May 24, 1993, 12:10:17 PM5/24/93
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned Tom Cruise in Risky Business.

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Tolthrye (sabg...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: cy...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (cybil James) writes:

: >Go rent Caligula. You're going to see stuff your mamma never told
: >you about!


: Be aware, though...there is an R-rated and an X-rated version.
: I have seen the X, never seen the R. I checked in a video
: rental store's "logbook" once, and as I recall the R-rated
: version is about 40 (40!!!) minutes shorter. Has anyone
: seen both versions? I am curious as to how badly the R-
: rated version has been butchered.

The R-rated version of this abysmally bad movie may be 40 minutes
shorter than the full version, but not because of the *explicit*
sex scenes which amount to little more than seven minutes -- one
scene of fellatio and one of intercourse with the woman on top.
Both occur in an orgy sequence in a large boat, in which Caligula
orders senators' wives to prostitute themselves. The hard sex
scenes are included in such a way as to facilitate their easy
removal for 'soft' versions of the film. I saw a 'soft' version in
Paris when it first came out, and the full version shortly afterwords.
In my candid opinion, the seven minutes of hard sex scenes were by
far the best part of this unremarkable farrago.

The 33 other excised minutes may include some of more disgusting
scenes of cruelty -- viz. the bit where the soldier has his penis
tied off so he can't urinate, and is then forced to drink gallons
of wine. The scene concludes with his stomach being sliced open and
the wine gushing forth. Very edifying I'm sure. Personally, I'd
prefer to watch people having sex and enjoying themselves, but then
I'm known for my curious tastes.

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May 24, 1993, 11:59:08 AM5/24/93
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In article <v+9Zs*e...@xymox.apana.org.au> ant...@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) writes:
>In article <C7HpJ...@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, Tolthrye writes:
>
>> >Also, I heard that Sharon Stone does it in the bathtub in Sliver.
>> >supposed to be a poor movie though.
>>
>> I liked Sliver, saw it last night. I think the bad review
>> rumors were because the critics were miffed that they didn't
>> get to see it in time to publish their opinions (I heard it
>> was not released early for them to preview and critique).
>
>Which, by the way, was NOT a deliberate studio ploy to keep critics away
>from the film until it was too late. Director Phil Noyce was editing and
>re-editing right up to the eleventh hour of release. He does this on almost
>every film he works on.

Perhaps, but "Sliver" did indeed get trashed by the critics who managed
to get a review out in time. Generally speaking, if you can get several
thousand prints of a film into theaters on Friday, you can show one print
of it to a bunch of critics on Wednesday. I'm highly dubious that Noyce
was cutting it so close to the wire that doing so was impossible. It
wasn't impossible on "Patriot Games", despite serious re-editing of
that film and a hard deadline for its release.

"Sliver" has also gone through serious re-editing, both for ratings purposes
and because preview audiences hated the original ending. (From what I've
heard, "hated" is in no way an overstatement here. They didn't just find
it unsatisfying, or ineffective, they actively hated it.) Despite that,
I sincerely doubt that "Sliver" couldn't have been screened for critics,
had the studio wanted to do so. It's the perfect film *not* to screen
for critics - a film sold on its supposed sexual content, with strong
industry rumors of being a turkey, with a hot star. If the critics
don't kill it at the moment of its release, the studio could expect a
big opening weekend, if nothing more. Getting it reveiwed, even if it
gets good ones, doesn't buy you a lot, since nobody much is going to see
this film because of good reviews. (Arguably, of course, most of those
who are going to see it the first weekend wouldn't read the reviews,
anyway, but that's the sort of chance Hollywood prefers not to take.)

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Let's not forget the wonderful scene in
SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
when Miggs shows Starling just what he's been UP to.

- JB

Richard N Kitchen

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May 24, 1993, 5:41:44 PM5/24/93
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In a previous article, dhar...@chinet.chinet.com (Dan Hartung) says:

>sabg...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tolthrye) writes:
>>cy...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (cybil James) writes:
>>
>>>Go rent Caligula. You're going to see stuff your mamma never told
>>>you about!
>>
>> Be aware, though...there is an R-rated and an X-rated version.
>> I have seen the X, never seen the R. I checked in a video
>> rental store's "logbook" once, and as I recall the R-rated
>> version is about 40 (40!!!) minutes shorter. Has anyone
>> seen both versions? I am curious as to how badly the R-
>> rated version has been butchered.
>

>"Butchered" is as butchered does. The director's cut was not to
>Bob Guccione's liking, so he returned to Italy and shot a great deal
>of new X-rated footage to insert into what otherwise was a halfway
>decent heavy-R-rated biopic of the mad Emperor.
>
>True, the version in video is probably CUT fromt he released version,
>but is probably closer to the director's original intent. (I forget
>who, he may have quit or been fired and not gotten screen credit.)
>I enjoyed watching all the sex, but I have to say it slowed the
>story down considerably.
>
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But, I thought the sex *was* the story! :-)
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Stephen Cordova

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May 24, 1993, 6:46:18 PM5/24/93
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Hozabout:
"Quadrophenia" and "Midnight Express"?
--SC

Mark Nowak

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May 24, 1993, 3:25:38 PM5/24/93
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How about Dorothy in the "Wizard of Oz" or that scene in "The Little Mermaid"
and who can forget the scene in the shower in "It's a Wonderful Life?"

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mary virginia burke

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May 24, 1993, 5:59:11 PM5/24/93
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How could we forget Judge Reinhold in _Fast Times at Ridgemont High_?

Foreign Film Dept: Bergman's _The Silence_. The repressed, chronically ill
sister (Liv Ullmann?) masturbates joylessly in a hotel room in a nameless
country while her more earthy sister is having it off with a stranger down the
hall. Strange movie.

Cheers--MVB

hist...@waikato.ac.nz

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May 24, 1993, 8:55:29 PM5/24/93
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Liv Ullmann was not in this particular film. It was either Ingrid Thulin or
Gunnel Lindblom (I can't remember which, it's been a long time since I've
seen the film).

Richard.

Simon Walmsley

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May 24, 1993, 8:00:00 PM5/24/93
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cybil James writes:
>Go rent Caligula. You're going to see stuff your mamma never told
>you about!

Midnight Express has a scene where his girlfriend comes to visit him in jail
once he has ben transferred to the loony bin. It's certainly not erotic. It
is very sad and pathetic to see what he has become.

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Colin Needham

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In article <May23.175...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, jp98...@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Jon Eric Peterson) writes:
>Does anyone has any information on the actress Polly Walker ?
>She has been in _Enchanted April_ and _Sliver_. Has she done any
>other films? Is she working on any new projects? Any info on her
>background would be appreciated too. Thank you.

Here are the ones I know of:

Enchanted April (1991)
Walking a Tightrope (1991)
Journey of Honor (1992)
Patriot Games (1992)
Trial, The (1993)

Col

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May 24, 1993, 10:22:39 PM5/24/93
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jac...@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu (Peter Jackson,CH237A,,) writes:

> From article <C7Fr0...@world.std.com>, by la...@world.std.com (Larry Applem

> >> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, ther
> >> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am no


>
> > Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)
>

> Three more for the Collection: Bergman's "Persona"; "Quadrophenia"; and
> de Palma's "Blow Out".
>
> Also "The Fox": a movie of the D. H. Lawrence short story which I haven't
> seen for years. Is this on video? Glenda Jackson's in it, I seem to
> remember.
>
> --
> Peter Jackson, Dept of Electrical & Computer Eng, Clarkson University
> "Opinions expressed are not those of my employer or any other organization"


Here's a couple more: James Spader in "SEX, LIES AND VIDEOTAPE"
and: FADE TO BLACK (The movie with the guy from BREAKING AWAY, I
forget his name.... Dennis something). He masturbates to a picture
of Marilyn Monroe while saying 'bitch... bitch... bitch...' over
and over

Nick Nussbaum

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May 25, 1993, 2:18:31 AM5/25/93
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In article <C7Hw7...@chinet.chinet.com> dhar...@chinet.chinet.com (Dan Hartung) writes:
>sabg...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tolthrye) writes:
about Caligula...

>"Butchered" is as butchered does. The director's cut was not to
>Bob Guccione's liking, so he returned to Italy and shot a great deal
>of new X-rated footage to insert into what otherwise was a halfway
>decent heavy-R-rated biopic of the mad Emperor.
>
>True, the version in video is probably CUT fromt he released version,
>but is probably closer to the director's original intent. (I forget
>who, he may have quit or been fired and not gotten screen credit.)

Fired and threatened to sue if his name appeared on the screen credits
is closer to the mark.


Several of the works of Pedro Almovar ( sp?) have masturbation
sequences; Law of Desire has a male porn film being shot
and one of his later ones has a scene with a windup
diver in a woman's bubble bath.


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Zaheer Mahmood

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May 25, 1993, 8:56:03 AM5/25/93
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How about 'The Blue Lagoon' where Christopher ...... ??? masturbates on his own
after an argument with Brooke Shields ;:-)

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What about Pee Wee Herman? Didn't he masturbate in the movies?

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pa...@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes...

>The 33 other excised minutes may include some of more disgusting
>scenes of cruelty -- viz. the bit where the soldier has his penis
>tied off so he can't urinate, and is then forced to drink gallons
>of wine. The scene concludes with his stomach being sliced open and
>the wine gushing forth. Very edifying I'm sure. Personally, I'd
>prefer to watch people having sex and enjoying themselves, but then
>I'm known for my curious tastes.

Yeah, me too. I would much rather see the soldier being sliced open! :-)

Steve Varty

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May 25, 1993, 11:49:18 AM5/25/93
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>> Three more for the Collection: Bergman's "Persona"; "Quadrophenia"; and
>> de Palma's "Blow Out".

OK, I give in, where did it happen in Quadrophenia?

Please remember I saw the TV version :-)

Steve.


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ant...@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) writes:
>In article <C7HpJ...@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, Tolthrye writes:
>>
>> I liked Sliver, saw it last night. I think the bad review
>> rumors were because the critics were miffed that they didn't
>> get to see it in time to publish their opinions (I heard it
>> was not released early for them to preview and critique).
>
>Which, by the way, was NOT a deliberate studio ploy to keep critics away
>from the film until it was too late. Director Phil Noyce was editing and
>re-editing right up to the eleventh hour of release. He does this on almost
>every film he works on.

*Snort* and if you believe that, I've got some waterfront property to sell
ya ....

The fact is, the "buzz" was SO bad that they did everything they could
to avoid having actual reviews precede the film's opening, including
desiging a clip collection that failed to get MPAA approval. (I find
that preposterous ...)

This is a STANDARD studio ploy. No matter what excuse they offer,
if they think press coverage can help them, they will do everything
they can to get it. They spend LOTS of money on this process --
remember, even a $40 million movie will get $40 million of promotion!
Conversely, if they are scared that press coverage will hurt, they
will avoid getting it. Excuses notwithstanding.

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lorance romero

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c...@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham) writes:

>In article <May23.175...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, jp987631@LANCE.

>Col

i was very excited about polly in 'sliver' but couldn't place her, thanks
for the info. i hope i get to 'SEE' more of her. - lorance

mu'tafikah

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May 25, 1993, 12:53:56 PM5/25/93
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> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not
> talking about porno movies. I am talking about good "R" rated movies. They
> show sex of all types in these movies except masturbation. It is a part of
> our daily life. We have seen in movies almost every thing which we do in
> our daily life except masturbation. Why don't they show that a man/woman
> wakes up in the morning and masturbates (I am sure we all have masturbated
> at least once in the morning). Again, I am talking about good movies, may
> be "R" rated, but not about X rated movies. If anyone of you know about any
> good movies which show scenes of masturbation, please let me know.

How about _The Lover_, _Body Double_, _Daybreak_ (an HBO TV-movie).

tomas.

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May 25, 1993, 2:01:00 PM5/25/93
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> Three more for the Collection: Bergman's "Persona"; "Quadrophenia"; and
> de Palma's "Blow Out".
While on the subject of dePalma-- "Body Double" not only contains a couple of
masturbation scenes, but they are actually integral to the plot of the movie.
It's one of my favorites, kind of an erotic Hitchcock.

Michael S Ritchie

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May 25, 1993, 5:12:49 PM5/25/93
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Has anyone mentioned Clockwork Orange (fully orchestrated to Ludwig
Van)?
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Calvin Seto

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May 25, 1993, 2:15:13 PM5/25/93
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Tattoo

any...@cyberden.sf.ca.us

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May 25, 1993, 6:12:39 PM5/25/93
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pa...@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:

> Hows about Bruce Dern in "Tattoo"? A delightfully perverse movie.
>

"Dee plane! Dee plane, boss! Dee plane!"


Im never seeing THAT movie! Bleah! :)

>>> phb...@cyberden.sf.ca.us <<<

Rennie Scott

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May 25, 1993, 11:31:15 PM5/25/93
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Kim Bassinger seem like she was having a good time in the slide room,
in 9 1/2 weeks.

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opfe...@jupiter.fnbc.com

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May 25, 1993, 1:16:18 PM5/25/93
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My high school World History Teacher showed the 'R' version in class.
We had to have our parents sign a permission slip to watch it.
I think it's a very good historical movie - really true to life about how
demented Caligula was. Of course, I don't think the palace walls were
always filled with peeping lesbians (definately a Bob Guccione touch), but
the whole mood of the film was rather informative.
I've seen the X version; I think the most disturbing scene is when the
guard swings Caligula's daughter by the legs and smashes her against a
wall. Yuck!
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May 25, 1993, 1:06:55 PM5/25/93
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The Osterman Weekend had a woman flying solo right before she was killed.

I can't remember what this movie was about--I think it had Roddy McDowell
as a government agent?!?

ama...@yang.earlham.edu

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May 26, 1993, 12:30:24 AM5/26/93
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In article <C7Fr0...@world.std.com>, la...@world.std.com (Larry Appleman) writes:
> In article <93142.050...@uicvm.uic.edu> <U10...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> We all know that masturbation is a normal and natural act. Why, then, there
>> are no (or may be very very few) scenes of masturbation in movies. I am not
>> talking about porno movies. I am talking about good "R" rated movies. They
>> show sex of all types in these movies except masturbation. It is a part of
>> our daily life. We have seen in movies almost every thing which we do in
>> our daily life except masturbation. Why don't they show that a man/woman
>> wakes up in the morning and masturbates (I am sure we all have masturbated
>> at least once in the morning). Again, I am talking about good movies, may
>> be "R" rated, but not about X rated movies. If anyone of you know about any
>> good movies which show scenes of masturbation, please let me know.
>
> Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)
>
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See also: In the Heat of Passion....HBO special

Amanda

Keith Meng-Wei Loh

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May 25, 1993, 5:31:59 PM5/25/93
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opfe...@jupiter.fnbc.com writes:

John Hurt was the CIA agent. ?

Toner, MaryAnn M.

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May 24, 1993, 2:09:00 PM5/24/93
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In article <May23.175...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, jp98...@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Jon Eric Peterson) writes...

>Does anyone has any information on the actress Polly Walker ?
>She has been in _Enchanted April_ and _Sliver_. Has she done any
>other films? Is she working on any new projects? Any info on her
>background would be appreciated too. Thank you.

--Polly Walker played an IRA assassin in Patriot Games, and was in the movie's
best scene, IMHO. When the guy she's been having sex with complains, "I hope
you're not going to make me wear a rubber- the Catholic Church says it's a
sin," she pulls out a gun, says, "So's this," and shoots him! What a scene!
>
>/jon
>
>jp98...@LANCE.COLOSTATE.EDU

Damian - Omen Too

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May 25, 1993, 8:44:52 PM5/25/93
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>la...@world.std.com (Larry Appleman) writes:
>> anyone of you know about any
>>> good movies which show scenes of masturbation, please let me know.
>
>>Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)
>
>"Fast Times at Ridgemont High".

How about "silence of the Lambs"? Sick perverted masturbation, but
wanking nonetheless.

Ermmm, oh yeah. Also, there's the faked masturbation scene in "Pump up
the Volume" with Christian Slater. Is faked O.K.?

O.K. well, I'll let you get back to your in-depth discussion on the
navel fluff debate.


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The book by Robert Ludlum? About an anchor's weekend, when CIA tried to
assassinate him.

Tingli Pan

Charles H. Chapman

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May 26, 1993, 12:25:51 PM5/26/93
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Tom Cruise in _Risky Business_ while he's daydreaming about doing it
with the babysitter.

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for a physics exam, I swept her into my longing arms, and while humming
the '12th of Never,' I got lucky on Friday the 13th.
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Colin Osmond

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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" - there
is an excellent scene where Judge Reinhold is fantasising over how Phoebe Cates
(his girlfriend in the movie) looks like getting out of the family swimming pooland losing here bikini. He's in the bathroom looking out, thrashing away, and
having a generally good time, when in walks Phoebe..... His expression needs tobe seen to be believed. Truly a cinematic Gem.

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Disco!

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May 26, 1993, 2:37:00 PM5/26/93
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In article <1tuei4...@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au>, i93...@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (Damian - Omen Too) writes...

>>la...@world.std.com (Larry Appleman) writes:
>>> anyone of you know about any
>>>> good movies which show scenes of masturbation, please let me know.
>>
>>>Here's one: "Rachel, Rachel" (1968; dir.: Paul Newman)
>>
>>"Fast Times at Ridgemont High".
>
>How about "silence of the Lambs"? Sick perverted masturbation, but
>wanking nonetheless.
>
>Ermmm, oh yeah. Also, there's the faked masturbation scene in "Pump up
>the Volume" with Christian Slater. Is faked O.K.?
>

Wasn't there a masturbation scene in Fade to Black?
I believe the guy had marilyn monroe posters on his cieling and
was getting after it every night.


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Heidi E. Schlenker

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>I'm surprised that no one has mentioned "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" - there
>is an excellent scene where Judge Reinhold is fantasising over how Phoebe Cates
>(his girlfriend in the movie) looks like getting out of the family swimming pooland losing here bikini. He's in the bathroom looking out, thrashing away, and
>having a generally good time, when in walks Phoebe..... His expression needs tobe seen to be believed. Truly a cinematic Gem.

Except Phoebe ISN"T his girlfriend in the movie (which is part of the whole
point of this scene). His girlfriend is the girl who was also in Better
Off Dead - the blonde.

But it is a good scene and his expression is great!

Christopher J Burian

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May 26, 1993, 4:41:17 PM5/26/93
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co...@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Colin Osmond) writes:


]I'm surprised that no one has mentioned "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" - there


]is an excellent scene where Judge Reinhold is fantasising over how Phoebe Cates
](his girlfriend in the movie) looks like getting out of the family swimming pooland losing here bikini. He's in the bathroom looking out, thrashing away, and
]having a generally good time, when in walks Phoebe..... His expression needs tobe seen to be believed. Truly a cinematic Gem.

Phoebe Cates plays Brad's sister's friend, not his girlfriend. His GF is the
blond/redhead who won't got to The Point with him.

(and Fast Times has been mentioned about 4 times so far...)

Chris "Doesn't Anybody Fucking Knock Anymore" Burian

Jeffrey M. Osier

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May 26, 1993, 7:47:27 PM5/26/93
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In the recent "Single White Female", Bridget Fonda watches from the
hallway as Jennifer Jason Leigh.. uh.. "warms the sheets alone".
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Mark

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May 26, 1993, 1:24:49 PM5/26/93
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In article <C7JLF...@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>,
pa...@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
>Tolthrye (sabg...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: cy...@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (cybil James) writes:
>
>: >Go rent Caligula. You're going to see stuff your mamma never told
>: >you about!
>
>The R-rated version of this abysmally bad movie may be 40 minutes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>orders senators' wives to prostitute themselves. The hard sex
>scenes are included in such a way as to facilitate their easy
>removal for 'soft' versions of the film. I saw a 'soft' version in
>Paris when it first came out, and the full version shortly afterwords.
>In my candid opinion, the seven minutes of hard sex scenes were by
>far the best part of this unremarkable farrago.

If you didn't like it, why see it twice?

Stephen Cordova

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May 26, 1993, 10:48:14 PM5/26/93
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There's also a scene in 'Being There.' (Has this already been
mentioned?) Remember, Chance 'likes to watch.'
SC

H. Austin Hummel

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In article <1993May25.1...@fnbc.com>, opfe...@jupiter.fnbc.com writes:
|> My high school World History Teacher showed the 'R' version in class.
|> We had to have our parents sign a permission slip to watch it.
|> I think it's a very good historical movie - really true to life about how
|> demented Caligula was. Of course, I don't think the palace walls were
|> always filled with peeping lesbians (definately a Bob Guccione touch), but
|> the whole mood of the film was rather informative.
|> I've seen the X version; I think the most disturbing scene is when the
|> guard swings Caligula's daughter by the legs and smashes her against a
|> wall. Yuck!

Yes that was a bad but true scean, Just like in bosnia.

John Hill

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May 26, 1993, 4:37:47 PM5/26/93
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I wish someone would compile all of these so all of the
repeats would stop...


----JINN

Lon Ponschock

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May 25, 1993, 1:45:19 PM5/25/93
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dhar...@chinet.chinet.com (Dan Hartung) writes:


>True, the version in video is probably CUT fromt he released version,
>but is probably closer to the director's original intent. (I forget
>who, he may have quit or been fired and not gotten screen credit.)
>I enjoyed watching all the sex, but I have to say it slowed the
>story down considerably.


==> I've seen the 'R' rated release to vid stores. it was a
pretty big let-down from the orig. photo shoots in Bob's mag. way
back when.

Anyone know where a copy of SALO can be gotten? :-)

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Chuck Luciano

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May 27, 1993, 4:10:29 AM5/27/93
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In the movie Midnight Express (about an american busted in turkey for
hashish smuggling) Billy is in jail for 3 years when his girlfriend visits.
They are in a shack separated by glass. He asks her to expose her breasts
so he can "Flog his mule".

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Anthony Horan

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May 27, 1993, 6:51:12 AM5/27/93
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In article <C7LBC...@chinet.chinet.com>, Dan Hartung writes:

> >from the film until it was too late. Director Phil Noyce was editing and
> >re-editing right up to the eleventh hour of release. He does this on almost
> >every film he works on.
>
> *Snort* and if you believe that, I've got some waterfront property to sell
> ya ....

Fine. I need a nice house by the beach... :-)

> The fact is, the "buzz" was SO bad that they did everything they could
> to avoid having actual reviews precede the film's opening, including
> desiging a clip collection that failed to get MPAA approval. (I find
> that preposterous ...)

Regardless of the studio's ploys to keep the film away from reviewers, the
fact is the film was NOT finished a week and a half before it was due to
hit US cinemas. UIP, Universal's distributor here in Australia, were told
that they could not have a print yet as the film was still in editing.

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Pat Steward

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May 27, 1993, 9:56:57 AM5/27/93
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In article <1993May26.0...@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz> co...@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Colin Osmond) writes:
>
>I'm surprised no one has mentioned "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"

[snip snip]

Actually, it's been mentioned at least three times already; must have
something to do with geographical location and expiry dates.
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Patrick Kearney

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May 27, 1993, 10:46:09 AM5/27/93
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Mark (AH....@forsythe.stanford.edu) wrote:
: In article <C7JLF...@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>,

For the same reason I saw Peckinpah's "Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid"
and Leone's "Once Upon a Time in America" twice.

I hoped that the complete version would be better. In the case of the
Peckinpah & Leone films, my hopes were fulfilled. With "Caligula" I
detected no improvement. Except, as I say, the seven minutes of hard
sex were not bad. Different director, apparently.

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Generic Account 0396

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May 27, 1993, 6:36:48 PM5/27/93
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Yeah, I can remember, Midnight Express

What about the scenes of taking a shit.

Did you see any.

I can remember "Indecent Proposal"

mu

Steve Mitchell

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May 27, 1993, 10:21:38 PM5/27/93
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The previous poster in this chain mentioned Ingmar Bergman's "Persona" as
a film with a masturbation scene. Unless this was completely different from
the version I've seen, and the script I have of it, this is VERY inaccurate...

-Sjm

Adrian S.

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May 28, 1993, 7:36:47 PM5/28/93
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Re: masturbation in movies
Risky Business : Tom Cruise really was a wanker in that one.

Adrian S.

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May 28, 1993, 7:48:07 PM5/28/93
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Re: masturbation in movies
Just remembered another one.

Emily

Famous only because Koo Stark was in it.
I guess this is just a soft porn movie but I thought some of you
will have seen it.

James Perkins

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May 28, 1993, 10:17:32 PM5/28/93
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mrit...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:

>Has anyone mentioned Clockwork Orange (fully orchestrated to Ludwig
>Van)?
>--

I remember the sex in this movie (and wasn't there plenty of it!) but the
masturbation scene is not in my memory. I only saw it four weeks ago, so
it's still pretty fresh in my mind...could you please go into a little more
detail? Alex does not actually masturbate in the book, so you may have
misinterpreted what was going on. My opinion only, of course.

J.P.

Michael Jacobs

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May 28, 1993, 10:39:50 AM5/28/93
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There's a scene in "W [D[DQuadrophrenia" in which th [D[De
protagonist masturbates to some fashion model's photographs he's stolen.
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