The Damn Bullet Holes (was Re: Pulp Fiction Errors?)
James R Baxter
.357 magnum.
bene...@lust.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mike Benedetti) writes:
>The bullet holes were not a mistake, you morons!
Mr White
>
> This gets me steamed because people constantly discuss this,
> and it only takes a modicum of attention to figure it out
> while you're watching the movie (to be difinitive, I went again
> last night to confirm all this).
>
> Mike Benedetti
>
> --
> "Never get angry. Never make a threat. Reason with people."
> --Don Vito Corleone, _The Godfather_ (Mario Puzo)
i think QT put the errors there on purpose, to give us something to
do.....anyway, if you think about it. The errors are too obviouse to have
been looked over.
another error is when Vince and Mia come into the house Mia turns off the
alarm, it went off when they opened the door. However there was another
door (behind the couch, that was open the whole time). In most alarms, you
can't set it unless everything is closed.
mrwhite
--
That Guy Who Got Shot In _Reservoir Dogs_
>another error is when Vince and Mia come into the house Mia turns off the
>alarm, it went off when they opened the door. However there was another
>door (behind the couch, that was open the whole time). In most alarms, you
>can't set it unless everything is closed.
You also do notice that at the end of PF, Pumpkin and Honey Bunny
walk out of the restaurant with that bag full of wallets, even though
Jules told him not to, right?
-The Iconoclast
Mike Benedetti
Pay attention to the movie:
Before they are shot, we can see two holes.
After they are shot, Jules moves out of the way to reveal
three more.
The original holes are sizeable, are the same distance
from the floor, and have all the plaster chipped from
around them.
The other three are scattered, much smaller, and have the
plaster cracked and pushed out, but not completely removed.
There are obviously two sets of holes, two that have been
previously drilled (perhaps there was a shelf there at one time),
and three from bullets.
There ARE definite continuity errors (the repeated lines change,
Wolf goes to an address different from the one he copies down),
but this is NOT ONE.
James R Baxter
Put it in your pocket, it's yours.
Now with the rest of them wallets
and the register, that makes this a
pretty successful little score.
hxrzs...@unl.ac.uk
>You also do notice that at the end of PF, Pumpkin and Honey Bunny
>walk out of the restaurant with that bag full of wallets, even though
>Jules told him not to, right?
Wrong, I think. Jules tells Pumkin that with the $1,500, the register
and the wallets that this has been a tidy little score or summit like that
doesn't he?
Adam Neil Villani
That Guy Who Got Shot In _Reservoir Dogs_ <s...@phakt.usc.edu> wrote:
>mrw...@sn212047.resnet.edu (Mr White) writes:
>
>>another error is when Vince and Mia come into the house Mia turns off the
>>alarm, it went off when they opened the door. However there was another
>>door (behind the couch, that was open the whole time). In most alarms, you
>>can't set it unless everything is closed.
>
>walk out of the restaurant with that bag full of wallets, even though
>Jules told him not to, right?
>
Jules never tells them not to take the wallets. He only reclaims
his own wallet.
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J. Chris Pace
mrw...@sn212047.resnet.edu (Mr White) writes:
> another error is when Vince and Mia come into the house Mia turns off the
> alarm, it went off when they opened the door. However there was another
Actually, with most alarms like that one, a beeping noise (like the one
in PF) goes off for 30 or 60 seconds to remind the person entering the
house that they need to shut off the alarm or it will notify the police
or security company or whatever.
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Leif Eriksson
Mr White <mrw...@sn212047.resnet.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> This gets me steamed because people constantly discuss this,
>> and it only takes a modicum of attention to figure it out
>> while you're watching the movie (to be difinitive, I went again
>> last night to confirm all this).
>>
>> Mike Benedetti
>>
>> --
>> "Never get angry. Never make a threat. Reason with people."
>> --Don Vito Corleone, _The Godfather_ (Mario Puzo)
>
>
>do.....anyway, if you think about it. The errors are too obviouse to have
>been looked over.
>
>alarm, it went off when they opened the door. However there was another
>can't set it unless everything is closed.
>
>
>--
>
The first time Jules reads the quote from Ezekiel 25:14 (?) and the kill
smartass on the chair, you see how he empties his gun, the slide locks in the
back position, indicating that the clip is empty.
The second time you see the same scene, he fires less shots and his gun
doesn't lock the slide (any gun-addicts who knows the real term for that?).
In that way he has bullets left to blow away the poor sod from the toilet.
As it's in the script that Jules empties his gun, I can obly beleive that this
error was put in on purpose, either to lengthen (and emphasise) the scene the
first time, or as a tounge-in-cheek trivia for us bug-spotters...
Leif Eriksson, the One and Only
Becca Bernstein
if it has, sorry!!!
in the beginning, when pumpkin jumps up with her gun and yells
something like "...or i'll kill every motherfucking last one of
you", it is different than what she says at the end when that scene
is replayed. i don't remember the exact wording, but supposedly
pumpkin says the same thing, and she doesn't.
anyone else notice this?
--becca
Nicholas Beagley
: You also do notice that at the end of PF, Pumpkin and Honey Bunny
: Jules told him not to, right?
: -The Iconoclast
Wrong.. Jules says to Pumpkin: " Put it in your pocket, it's yours
Now with the rest of them wallets and the register, that makes
this a pretty successful little score."
And that's what upsets vince: "if you give this fuck'n nimrod fifteen
hundred bucks..."
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nicholas beagley
ni...@it.ntu.edu.au
Nicholas Beagley
: i noticed another error that i'm not sure has been discussed here.
: if it has, sorry!!!
: anyone else notice this?
: --becca
Yes I did! If my memory serves me correctly, Pumpkin uses very
similar words the second time, but in a different order.
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nick beagley
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When Jules and Vincent are riding in the car after the shootout in
the apartment (they have a hostage in the back seat) there is a scene where
Vincent has a wisp of hair in his mouth. they cut, and cut back. no hair
in his mouth. yet another cut, and cut back. lo and behold hair in the mouth.
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Frank P Barletta
I just saw PF for the second time, and I made sure to pay attention
to exactly what Yolanda says and when she says it. Here are the more-
or less exact quotes:
First Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
motherfucking last one of you!"
Second Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
last one of you motherfuckers!"
So there's a small but important difference there.
And I noticed one more mistake: At Jackrabbit Slim's, Vincent drinks
a vanilla Coke. Before he takes his first sip, he removes the straw
and sets it aside. Later, there's at least one shot in which we can
see Vincent's glass, with the straw still in it.
(BTW, I got so wrapped up in the story that I forgot to look for
the infamous bullet-hole mistake. So I can't verify whether or not
it actually happens. Guess I'm just going to have to see the movie
again. :-) )
Don Weinman
Barletta) writes:
>(BTW, I got so wrapped up in the story that I forgot to look for
>the infamous bullet-hole mistake.
Don't you just hate it when that happens?
So I can't verify whether or not
>it actually happens. Guess I'm just going to have to see the movie
>again. :-) )
>
>
Tough job, but somebody has to do it.
DPW
Mike Chesnut
>First Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
>motherfucking last one of you!"
>
>Second Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
>last one of you motherfuckers!"
Actually, I believe that they're backwards. But I could be wrong...
sil...@hg.uleth.ca
>And I noticed one more mistake: At Jackrabbit Slim's, Vincent drinks
>a vanilla Coke. Before he takes his first sip, he removes the straw
>and sets it aside. Later, there's at least one shot in which we can
>see Vincent's glass, with the straw still in it.
>
I suppose that it is impossible for vincent to pick up the straw and put it
back in the drink, eh?
Frank P Barletta
Not impossible, of course. Just really implausible.
If you're the kind of person who doesn't use a straw, and removes the
straw before starting to drink, then you wouldn't put the straw
back in your glass; you'd just have to remove it every time you
wanted a sip.
So it's not really a mistake, I suppose. It's just that the other
explanation seems unlikely.
Frank Barletta
(spending way too much time thinking about stuff like this)
Jason Forrest
: >
: >And I noticed one more mistake: At Jackrabbit Slim's, Vincent drinks
: >a vanilla Coke. Before he takes his first sip, he removes the straw
: >and sets it aside. Later, there's at least one shot in which we can
: >see Vincent's glass, with the straw still in it.
: >
: I suppose that it is impossible for vincent to pick up the straw and put it
: back in the drink, eh?
That requires to much thought. It's easier to say 'QT screwed up, and
we're smart enough to notice' (while patting ourselves on the back.) Sad
ain't it?
Cheers,
Jay
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"Jules, if you give this fucken nimrod 1500 bucks, I'm gonna shoot him
on general principle." Vincent- Pulp Fiction
http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/~aa114/Profile.html
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Simon Dawson
>In article <3m512g$n...@pellew.ntu.edu.au>,
>Nicholas Beagley <ni...@morinda.it.ntu.edu.au> wrote:
>>Becca Bernstein (bb...@crl.ucsd.edu) wrote:
>>: i noticed another error that i'm not sure has been discussed here.
>>: if it has, sorry!!!
>>
>>: in the beginning, when pumpkin jumps up with her gun and yells
>>: something like "...or i'll kill every motherfucking last one of
>>: you", it is different than what she says at the end when that scene
>>: is replayed. i don't remember the exact wording, but supposedly
>>: pumpkin says the same thing, and she doesn't.
>>
>>: anyone else notice this?
>>
>>: --becca
>>Yes I did! If my memory serves me correctly, Pumpkin uses very
>>similar words the second time, but in a different order.
>>
>I just saw PF for the second time, and I made sure to pay attention
>to exactly what Yolanda says and when she says it. Here are the more-
>or less exact quotes:
>First Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
>motherfucking last one of you!"
>Second Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
>last one of you motherfuckers!"
Have another listen.. second time round it's "electrocute".. kinda
struck a weird nerve first time I heard it.. so I checked 2nd and 3rd
times! :-)
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Onkel Dittmeyer
: In <3mbi92$3...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, fpb...@pitt.edu (Frank P Barletta) writes:
: >First Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
: >motherfucking last one of you!"
: >
: >Second Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
: >last one of you motherfuckers!"
: Actually, I believe that they're backwards. But I could be wrong...
You are. It's indeed in the order our friend Frank wrote it. The opening
is "last one of you" and the concluding scene has "..of you motherfuckers".
Which brings me to an interesting point. I know the movie was playing in
Germany, too. Since all movies playing there are dubbed into German, I would
be interested to know if any people reading this newsgroup saw the movie
there and if yes, have those inconsistencies been removed? And, overall,
how good is the translation of the jokes? Is it still an awesome movie,
or did they spoil it in the name of Germanism???
Please answer both via e-mail and post to a.f.t.
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: ain't it?
Talking about misquoting:
"You give this fucking nimrod fifteen-hundred dollars and I'll shoot him
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Benjamin Jones
: In article <3m512g$n...@pellew.ntu.edu.au>,
: Nicholas Beagley <ni...@morinda.it.ntu.edu.au> wrote:
: >Becca Bernstein (bb...@crl.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: >: i noticed another error that i'm not sure has been discussed here.
: >: if it has, sorry!!!
: >
: >: in the beginning, when pumpkin jumps up with her gun and yells
: >: you", it is different than what she says at the end when that scene
: >: is replayed. i don't remember the exact wording, but supposedly
: >: pumpkin says the same thing, and she doesn't.
: >
: >: anyone else notice this?
: >
: >: --becca
: >Yes I did! If my memory serves me correctly, Pumpkin uses very
: >similar words the second time, but in a different order.
: >
: I just saw PF for the second time, and I made sure to pay attention
: to exactly what Yolanda says and when she says it. Here are the more-
: or less exact quotes:
: First Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
: motherfucking last one of you!"
: Second Scene: "Any of you fucking pricks moves, and I'll execute every
: last one of you motherfuckers!"
: So there's a small but important difference there.
: And I noticed one more mistake: At Jackrabbit Slim's, Vincent drinks
: a vanilla Coke. Before he takes his first sip, he removes the straw
: and sets it aside. Later, there's at least one shot in which we can
: see Vincent's glass, with the straw still in it.
: (BTW, I got so wrapped up in the story that I forgot to look for
: the infamous bullet-hole mistake. So I can't verify whether or not
: it actually happens. Guess I'm just going to have to see the movie
: again. :-) )
I must have missed the original post, so could someone please explain
what the big "bullet hole" mystery is all about. I saw PF for the 5
time last night (it's an amazing movie) and I'm sure I could clear up
any troubles you may have.
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bjo...@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
Doctorb Science
>"Jules, if you give this fucken nimrod 1500 bucks, I'm gonna shoot him
>on general principle." Vincent- Pulp Fiction
Great to subvert the dominant paradigm and all, but it's "fucking". There
is no such word as "fucken", at least not in English. Its use bespeaks
an appalingly bad grasp of grammar.
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Doctorb Science
(The "b" stands for "bargain"!)
P.S. I am not a crackpot.
Thomas Peuker
>Which brings me to an interesting point. I know the movie was playing in
>Germany, too. Since all movies playing there are dubbed into German, I would
>be interested to know if any people reading this newsgroup saw the movie
>there and if yes, have those inconsistencies been removed? And, overall,
>how good is the translation of the jokes? Is it still an awesome movie,
>or did they spoil it in the name of Germanism???
Hi!
I'm German and I saw the film here in German.
Sorry I can't tell you about those inconsistencies mentioned above.
I didn't realize any of them - but that doesn't mean they're extincted!
What I can tell you definitely: the film itself and also the German
texts are great. I know only a few lines of the original English
dialogues but so far as I can say the translation is pretty good!
See you, Tom
Keith Giles
Isn't there a mistake in RD when they cut to the scene with Mr. White and
Mr. Orange in the car after Mr. Orange gets shot. I don't believe that the
lines are the same as the first time. Can anyone verify?
.
Alexander E. Christensen
: aa...@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Jason Forrest) writes:
: >"Jules, if you give this fucken nimrod 1500 bucks, I'm gonna shoot him
: >on general principle." Vincent- Pulp Fiction
: Great to subvert the dominant paradigm and all, but it's "fucking". There
: is no such word as "fucken", at least not in English. Its use bespeaks
: an appalingly bad grasp of grammar.
Yeah, especially when David Mamet coined it. Talk about a linguistic
slouch!
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Marty Cassady
>: >on general principle." Vincent- Pulp Fiction
>
>: Great to subvert the dominant paradigm and all, but it's "fucking". There
>: is no such word as "fucken", at least not in English. Its use bespeaks
>: an appalingly bad grasp of grammar.
>
>Yeah, especially when David Mamet coined it. Talk about a linguistic
>slouch!
The musician Nick Cave has used "fucken" quite a bit in his published
lyrics, poems and fiction (with a certain degree of artistic license, to
be sure.) He seems to use it to recreate casual speech, which probably is
what Mamet's after as well.
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> In <3n0lbl$b...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> bjo...@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Benjamin Jones) writes:
>>Frank P Barletta (fpb...@pitt.edu) wrote:
>>: In article <3m512g$n...@pellew.ntu.edu.au>,
>>: Nicholas Beagley <ni...@morinda.it.ntu.edu.au> wrote:
>>: >Becca Bernstein (bb...@crl.ucsd.edu) wrote:
>>: >: i noticed another error that i'm not sure has been discussed here.
>>: >: if it has, sorry!!!
>>: >
>>: >: in the beginning, when pumpkin jumps up with her gun and yells
>>: >: something like "...or i'll kill every motherfucking last one of
>>: >: you", it is different than what she says at the end when that scene
>>: >: is replayed. i don't remember the exact wording, but supposedly
>>: >: pumpkin says the same thing, and she doesn't.
[quotes given, proving the scenes are different]
>>: So there's a small but important difference there.
>
> Isn't there a mistake in RD when they cut to the scene with Mr. White and
> Mr. Orange in the car after Mr. Orange gets shot. I don't believe that the
> lines are the same as the first time. Can anyone verify?
This keeps coming up over and over; everyone seems to think they've
caught some major continuity error. Yes, the beginning and ending
shots of the holdup in the diner are slightly different, but it seems
pretty clear to me that that's intentional. In a certain sense, we
are seeing two different scenes, one focused on Amanda Plummer and Tim
Roth (the first time) and one focused on John Travolta and Samuel
Jackson (the second time); you could say that we're seeing it from two
different perspectives (literally and figuratively). Just as each person
has their own memories and witnesses never agree exactly, the two scenes
don't agree, but that's no big deal. The movie constantly shifts
perspective; we are continually required to change our allegiances
with the characters: at first we have some sympathy for Travolta and
Jackson - even the grisly shootings are played for laughs; later we
sympathize with Bruce Willis and (most people, I assume) hope he won't
be killed when he goes back for the watch; Marcus seems like a thug,
but we sympathize with him when he is abused by the weirdos in the
pawnshop. In the diner, we originally sympathize with Plummer and
Roth, who are pretty likable although they rob people; at the end of
the movie we have followed Travolta and Jackson long enough that we
root for them, and admire Jackson's handling of the stickup.
Tarantino underscores the shift in audience allegiance with a shift in
visual perspective - the second diner scene is shot from a different
part of the room, and it is some time before we make the connection
with the first scene; the interplay between Roth and Plummer is also
not featured - their dialogue the second time is sketchier; the
cutesy lovey scenes are cut out, and only the violence is left - all
the good lines go to Jackson and Travolta. So the differences between
the scenes are real, and serve a purpose - one of the general purposes
of the whole film, which is to keep the audience moving, unbalanced.
Contrast this with the scene another poster mentioned, in which a
straw disappears and reappears in Travolta's glass - this is a true
continuity error, but is no big deal, does not take up an entire
scene, and doesn't affect the tone of the movie. There's nothing to
say that Tarantino has to make every detail match - sometimes the
discontinuties are dramatically effective (compare the famous scene in
"The Battleship Potemkin" in which a breaking plate is actually shot
twice and breaks twice in quick succession - the repetition reinforces
itself there, just as it undermines in PF - and each director got
exactly what they wanted).
Considering the possibility of a similar cross-scene discontinuity in
RD (which I am not sure about, but someone else mentioned above),
perhaps we shoud recognize this as one of Tarantino's trademarks.
Kevin T. Keith
kei...@guvax.georgetown.edu