Duel in the Sun(1946) Prelude Before Overture?

[cin...@hotmail.com]

Looked at the DvD yesterday. There's an Overture , Exit music plus a
Prelude before the Overture..
Are there any other titles that have this?
Also were there(are there) any versions of DITS with an Intermission?

Regards,
Peter mason

[Martin Hart]

In article <6395e6bf-8206-4a20-ad68-
13ab0d...@g4g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, cin...@hotmail.com says...

"Duel in the Sun" is unique in so many ways, thank goodness.
The "prelude" is a spoken introduction to the film and is followed by
typical "overture" music. Both are done in standard closed curtain
fashion. The film's length at just over 2 hours doesn't really merit an
intermission, though shorter films have included them.

I don't think I've ever seen a film where the actors do such a good job
in a really mediocre movie. Blame Selznick for trying to outdo "Gone
With The Wind".

Marty
--
The American WideScreen Museum
www.widescreenmuseum.com

[grand...@hotmail.com]

On Jan 28, 3:14 pm, Martin Hart
<martinh...@spamfreewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote:
> In article <6395e6bf-8206-4a20-ad68-
> 13ab0d512...@g4g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, cine...@hotmail.com says...

This tedious film was often known as "LUST IN THE DUST".. A film
once seen ,soon forgotten.

[cin...@hotmail.com]

On Jan 28, 3:14 pm, Martin Hart
<martinh...@spamfreewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote:
> In article <6395e6bf-8206-4a20-ad68-

> 13ab0d512...@g4g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, cine...@hotmail.com says...

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> > Looked at the DvD yesterday. There's an Overture , Exit music plus a
> > Prelude before the Overture..
> > Are there any other titles that have this?
> > Also were there(are there) any versions of DITS  with an Intermission?
>
> > Regards,
> > Peter mason
>
> "Duel in the Sun" is unique in so many ways, thank goodness.
> The "prelude" is a spoken introduction to the film and is followed by
> typical "overture" music. Both are done in standard closed curtain
> fashion.  The film's length at just over 2 hours doesn't really merit an
> intermission, though shorter films have included them.

According to Imdb the film's Roadshow length is 144 minutes and the
general version 129 mins.
My DvD cover states the film is 154 minutes in PAL which suggests a
length of 161 minutes, about
the same as Kwai.(which had an Intermission).

Was there a Restored version of this film?

Regards,
Peter Mason

[grand...@hotmail.com]

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why restore it as it was such a flop

[Martin Hart]

In article <9d3403ee-bf59-4994-8e5e-f795084f6747
@n8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, cin...@hotmail.com says...

<SNIP>

> >
> > "Duel in the Sun" is unique in so many ways, thank goodness.
> > The "prelude" is a spoken introduction to the film and is followed by
> > typical "overture" music. Both are done in standard closed curtain
> > fashion.  The film's length at just over 2 hours doesn't really merit an
> > intermission, though shorter films have included them.
>
> According to Imdb the film's Roadshow length is 144 minutes and the
> general version 129 mins.
> My DvD cover states the film is 154 minutes in PAL which suggests a
> length of 161 minutes, about
> the same as Kwai.(which had an Intermission).
>
> Was there a Restored version of this film?
>
> Regards,
> Peter Mason

I've seen KWAI a number of times and it never had an intermission in any
of those screenings. That's not to say that it was never shown with an
intermission but that was usually done by the theatre in order to boost
concession sales.

MGM's initial release of "Quo Vadis" was available to theatres with or
without a built in intermission.

[RD in Kennesaw]

> MGM's initial release of "Quo Vadis" was available to theatres with or
> without a built in intermission.
>
> Marty
> --

What would it take for a "built in" intermission? It looks like it
would only take one more short reel, which would start with the word
"INTERMISSION", and then some music. At the end, the cue tells the
projectionist to go to the next normal reel. If the intermission reel
were left out, no one would ever know.

[Martin Hart]

In article <6bcb9076-eb8e-4625-886d-da43a217cad9@
18g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, 2ndl...@bellsouth.net says...

A "built in" intermission is a tad different than that. In the first
place, the last reel of part one will have a fade into the Intermission
title card and the music will end appropriately. An intermission is not
a separate reel of film. A few, very few, films might have play out
music which runs after the curtain closes for the intermission. Part
two usually began with its own overture, the video companies like to use
the term "Entr'Acte", which is a legitimate theatre term.

In the case of "Quo Vadis", non intermission prints will have slightly
different music, assuming music is in that part of the film, than the
intermission prints. Merely chopping off the intermission title card and
switching over to the projector with part two would make for a jarring
transition.

There was a time when both movie studios and theatres were concerned
with something called "showmanship" and it had a great deal of impact on
the ticket buyer.

[Martin Hart]

In article <6bcb9076-eb8e-4625-886d-da43a217cad9@
18g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, 2ndl...@bellsouth.net says...

I just found evidence that there was originally an intermission in "Duel
In The Sun". Many years ago there was an LP release of Dimitri
Tiomkin's score for the film and track nine was entitled "Entr'Acte".
That pretty well clinches it.

It should be remembered that on many occasions in the thirties through
fifties that a studio would have a couple of special prints prepared for
premiere engagements in New York and Hollywood, and possibly another
city or two like Washington D.C. or Chicago. These prints often had
overtures and exit music that were never included on other first run
prints. Likewise intermissions were sometimes inserted in those special
prints. In the early fifties many of these special prints had 3 channel
stereo played from a 35mm magnetic film dubber.

Virtually all 3-D films from the fifties contained intermissions because
both projectors were required to show the films and the biggest reels
only held about 6,000 feet of film. This was before the days of the
dreaded platter. For many years the video release of "Dial M For
Murder" had one frame showing the word "INTERMISSION" beginning to fade
in. I've not examined the latest release to see if it's still there.

[Mutley]

Martin Hart <marti...@spamfreewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote:


>
>There was a time when both movie studios and theatres were concerned
>with something called "showmanship" and it had a great deal of impact on
>the ticket buyer.
>
>Marty

Now it's more like going to an amusement park. Pay your money and
herd you in..

[cin...@hotmail.com]

On Feb 2, 7:50 am, Martin Hart

<martinh...@spamfreewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote:
> In article <9d3403ee-bf59-4994-8e5e-f795084f6747

> @n8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, cine...@hotmail.com says...

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> > > "Duel in the Sun" is unique in so many ways, thank goodness.
> > > The "prelude" is a spoken introduction to the film and is followed by
> > > typical "overture" music. Both are done in standard closed curtain
> > > fashion.  The film's length at just over 2 hours doesn't really merit an
> > > intermission, though shorter films have included them.
>
> > According to  Imdb  the film's Roadshow length is 144 minutes and the
> > general version 129 mins.
> > My DvD cover states the film is 154 minutes in PAL which suggests a
> > length of 161 minutes, about
> > the same as Kwai.(which had an Intermission).
>
> > Was there a Restored version of this film?
>
> > Regards,
> > Peter Mason
>
> I've seen KWAI a number of times and it never had an intermission in any
> of those screenings. That's not to say that it was never shown with an
> intermission but that was usually done by the theatre in order to boost
> concession sales.

All the screenings of Kwai I've seen here in Sydney, Australia had an
Intermission.
The re-release at the Barclay Cinema in 1965, the 70MM re-release at
the Mayfair theatre in 1973.
and a screening I saw at a suburban theatre in Fairfield, NSW circa
1966.

Part 2 begins with William Holden talking to Ann Sears on the beach.

Regards,
Peter Mason

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> MGM's initial release of "Quo Vadis" was available to theatres with or
> without a built in intermission.
>
> Marty
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intermissions were also in the film when shown in New Zealand.

[cin...@hotmail.com]

On Jan 28, 3:14 pm, Martin Hart
<martinh...@spamfreewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote:
> In article <6395e6bf-8206-4a20-ad68-
> 13ab0d512...@g4g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, cine...@hotmail.com says...

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> > Looked at the DvD yesterday. There's an Overture , Exit music plus a
> > Prelude before the Overture..
> > Are there any other titles that have this?
> > Also were there(are there) any versions of DITS  with an Intermission?
>
> > Regards,
> > Peter mason
>
> "Duel in the Sun" is unique in so many ways, thank goodness.
> The "prelude" is a spoken introduction to the film and is followed by
> typical "overture" music

Martin,
The PAL version I have is constituted by about 9 minutes of
music(The Prelude) followed by about two to three
minutes of Music with narration (the Overture) There is also about 3
or 4 minutes of exit music.This is the PAL version.
The basic film is approximately 124 minutes long(PAL length) and there
is about an extra 14 minutes of music/narration.
Perhaps the Roadshow version was just the basic film with the Prelude,
Overture , Entr'Acte and Exit Music added.

Regards,
Peter Mason

[Martin Hart]

In article <0a2ec5c0-fddb-42bc-a48f-
f154d5...@vh10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, cin...@hotmail.com says...

<SNIP>

> > "Duel in the Sun" is unique in so many ways, thank goodness.
> > The "prelude" is a spoken introduction to the film and is followed by
> > typical "overture" music
>
> Martin,
> The PAL version I have is constituted by about 9 minutes of
> music(The Prelude) followed by about two to three
> minutes of Music with narration (the Overture) There is also about 3
> or 4 minutes of exit music.This is the PAL version.
> The basic film is approximately 124 minutes long(PAL length) and there
> is about an extra 14 minutes of music/narration.
> Perhaps the Roadshow version was just the basic film with the Prelude,
> Overture , Entr'Acte and Exit Music added.
>
> Regards,
> Peter Mason

I got the "overture" and "prelude" switched around in my memory. It's a
damned goofy way to begin a film at any rate.

I believe you are correct in your assumption that the roadshow version
was the basic film with all the extra closed curtain music added.
Studios had various ways of dealing with the extra stuff. Often times
the overtures and exit music was cut but the intermission was left
intact and sometimes the intermission was also removed. A lot of it
depended on whether the film was intended to be run on a limited number
of showings per day or on a continuous basis. If continuous then the
shorter the film the more showings you could do in a day. If the
showings were just two or three per day then the ticket price was
usually higher, but you sat in a much nicer theatre, as a rule.

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On Feb 7, 8:21 pm, Martin Hart
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> f154d5189...@vh10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, cine...@hotmail.com says...

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Continuous showings are an American thing. Do they still have them?
We have not had them in our part of the world since the sixties and
then only one or two cinemas had them.