Here's How To Get Lot's of Stars Attached To Your Project!
The Starmaker
A Starmaker Exclussive!
Find out who the Top Casting Directors are.
Then approach them and tell them you're a producer or
director and have a great script. Tell them you got lots
of money and you need help to attach some star names.
Offer them double of whatever they make and include a backend deal.
Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
$2000 to $3000. Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
that up!
But don't give them any money. Tell the casting director as soon as a
name is
attached, you'll pay them. The minute you got a star attached, fire
them!!!!
They ain't got no union, wat are they gonna do?
The Starmaker
Here's a list of some top casting directors. Go do your thing!
Lisa Beach, Denise Chamian, Ellen Chenoweth, Pam Dixon, Mali Finn, Avy
Kaufman, Francine Maisler, Joseph Middleton, Juliet Taylor and Debra
Zane.
Paul Figueiredo
demand a contract before performing any work...
Paul
"The Starmaker" <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Robert Morein
> A Starmaker Exclussive!
>
> Find out who the Top Casting Directors are.
> Then approach them and tell them you're a producer or
> director and have a great script. Tell them you got lots
> of money and you need help to attach some star names.
"Stars" are not cast through casting directors.
Attachment is through negotiation with their agent or manager.
Casting directors work with actors below the "B" level. Their function is to
provide the lesser actors, bits, backgrounds, and extras.
> Offer them double of whatever they make and include a backend deal.
> Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
> $2000 to $3000.
Sorry, they don't work with stars.
Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
> that up!
>
Unfortunately, they won't.
However, I have known casting directors who go out of their way to help
indie film makers.
One of the problems I see with the approach you give above is that it would
appear to be insincere. All these people have extremely refined bullshit
detectors.
For example, it's not enough to tell people you have a great script. You
have to give it to them to read.
It is true that money is a door-opener. However, you have to prove to them
that you have it.
nmstevens
Come back when you've done it. Casting directors can't attach stars,
even if you quintuple their salaries.
You only get stars by going directly to the stars themselves -- or to
be precise, by going directly to the star's agents or managers. And
the first question they ask if you pull that "I'm a producer" bullshit
is -- "Great. Send a script-- make an offer." And it had better be a
Great Script and a Big Offer." And both of them have to be real. Up
Front.
The only alternative is having some back door -- that is, some way of
networking directly to a particular star personally and bypassing the
agent or manager. And that's no piece of cake either.
NMS
The Starmaker
'details'.
I don't got time to write a book, so bear with me...ask around first
before
you jump the gun...
I inserted comments to help you guys out...
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Here's How To Get Lot's of Stars Attached To Your Project!
> A Starmaker Exclussive!
>
> Find out who the Top Casting Directors are.
(I already provided you a list below, but there are more.)
> Then approach them and tell them you're a producer or
> director and have a great script.
(anybody got a problem with this sentense? It's what people do everyday.
They hire
casting directors to cast their stuff. It's how the casting process
works.
The producer hires a casting director to find the talent. The casting
director puts out
a notice to the agents of what she is looking for.)
> Tell them you got lots
> of money and you need help to attach some star names.
(It seems some of yous have a problem with this sentense...the operative
words is 'need help'.
You are simply telling her to Help You find the names you want. I wrote:
"you need help to attach some star names"
It doesn't say she does the attaching! It only says you are *asking* her
for "help"!!!
There is a lot going behind these words, it's filled with favors and
manipulation and
appealing to their ego and greed and their desperation, but I don't
have time to get
into all of that, ....just tell her you need help attaching some names,
and don't bother me
with this detail stuff, believe me, she'll know what you mean and
want...
Everyone Knows casting directors don't attach stars to projects, but you
are *giving* her
the impression that she is in control of that, that she will come
through for you, that she
will *USE* her contacts and *RELATIONSHIPs* with Agents to get you what
you want...
Don't you get it guys, YOU ARE USING HER!!!!!!
> Offer them double of whatever they make and include a backend deal.
> Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
> $2000 to $3000. Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
> that up!
Here again you are appealing to her greed, getting her to use her
*relationship*
with insiders to get what you want.
Don't you get it, you're scamming the bitch! You're using her and
pretending she's the one
with all the power to get you what you want. *USE* HER!
Alright, she'll settle for a co-producing credit in the film, for
helping you get what you want.
>
> But don't give them any money.
Translation: Don't give them any Upfront fees. (do I need to explain
that? Cause she going to ask for it.
She is going to Expect around $2,500 for *helping* you attach a name.
Plus she is going to demand a
credit of producer for helping you getting a name attached!!!!)
> Tell the casting director as soon as a
> name is
> attached, you'll pay them.
(Don't pay for undelivered goods)
> The minute you got a star attached, fire
> them!!!!
(Hey, as everyone is crying about, she doesn't attach stars, so why
bother even paying her????)
>
> They ain't got no union, wat are they gonna do?
(They'll just go home and cry. Or bitch about it to other casting
directors. Boo hoo, that's show business.)
>
> The Starmaker
>
> Here's a list of some top casting directors. Go do your thing!
>
> Lisa Beach, Denise Chamian, Ellen Chenoweth, Pam Dixon, Mali Finn, Avy
> Kaufman, Francine Maisler, Joseph Middleton, Juliet Taylor and Debra
> Zane.
How come *most* casting directors are chicks? I guess because most
secretaries are chicks. That's where
casting directors come from.
Next time you go to a casting directors office, be nice to that dizzy
bimbo receptionist,
she could be casting your next Blockbuster!!!!!
The Starmaker
You guys remind me of that movie "Blow", needing the details!
CESAR
Not so fast. I would like to go over
the details.
GEORGE
What details? I put the coke in the
false bottoms and take it through
customs.
CESAR
Tell me about the suitcases. What is
the make and the color?
DIEGO
Samsonites. Red. No tags.
Cesar thinks about it.
CESAR
Hmm. I see. Will there be clothes in
the suitcase?
GEORGE
What? Yeah, sure.
CESAR
Whose cloths? Your clothes?
GEORGE
My clothes, your clothes. What does it
matter?
CESAR
I would like to know the contents.
Every detail is important.
GEORGE
What are we doing here, Diego? This
guy's a clown. He's talking about
clothes.
CESAR
I demand to know everything. I do not
trust six-hundred thousand dollars of
coca to someone I don't know.
GEORGE
It's a lousy fifteen kilos. I piss
fifteen kilos.
The Starmaker
> > Tell the casting director as soon as a
> > name is
> > attached, you'll pay them.
>
It doesn't say anything about *who* is doing the attaching.
Here you're telling her, as soon as the name is attached, she gets her
dough!
It's that hard for you guys to understand? Haven't you ever been in a
drug deal or something?
It's like you're say, "If you do this favor for me I'll give you a piece
of the action!"
I don't want to have to resort to gutter language because some of you
guys are still wet behind the ears.
I try to make it simple and clean, but you're draggin me out of the
streets!
I guess my info is for the select few. It's not for everyone.
The Starmaker
I hope I don't have to come back here and explain this further....
Paul Figueiredo
Somewhere in between telling said 'casting director' that you have lots of
money and need help finding big names to attach, and her actually helping
you.... any casting director (and I do mean any casting director with an IQ
even slightler greater than a bowl of cheerios) would demand a signed
contract guaranteeing them deferred payment. Only then would they give you
access to their lists of 'big names'.
"(They'll just go home and cry. Or bitch about it to other casting
directors. Boo hoo, that's show business.)" -- No they won't. They'll sue
for breach of contract on the deferred payment.
The only thing more common than casting directors in Hollywood is
Entertainment lawyers. And they LOVE it when people pull shit like what you
describe.
Paul
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The Starmaker
But if a casting director is going to help you attach a name, you better
offer her some taste!
Because this is what they expect and are used to getting. Do I make
myself clear?
The Starmaker
The Starmaker
>
> Perhaps "I" oversimplified too much...
>
> Somewhere in between telling said 'casting director' that you have lots of
> money and need help finding big names to attach, and her actually helping
> you.... any casting director (and I do mean any casting director with an IQ
> even slightler greater than a bowl of cheerios)
Casting directors don't have IQ's above a bowl of cheerios!!!
> would demand a signed
> contract guaranteeing them deferred payment. Only then would they give you
> access to their lists of 'big names'.
A deferred payment, is that what they call it nowadays?!
>
> "(They'll just go home and cry. Or bitch about it to other casting
> directors. Boo hoo, that's show business.)" -- No they won't. They'll sue
> for breach of contract on the deferred payment.
There are some things you don't put in contracts, ...
>
> The only thing more common than casting directors in Hollywood is
> Entertainment lawyers. And they LOVE it when people pull shit like what you
> describe.
Pull what?
What are you talking about?
You wanna give them money, go ahead...
But the article I posted is about
"Here's How To Get Lot's of Stars Attached To Your Project!"
It's about *attaching*, that's the main important info, ...what you do
with your money, that's up to the individual. I wouldn't give those
bitches any money!
Maybe I'll bang them!!
And I eat lawyers for breakfast!
The Starmaker
I don't understand what is going on with these people, I ended the
article with
"fire them" and people's panties get all caught up in a wad!
The Starmaker
> would demand a signed
> contract guaranteeing them deferred payment. Only then would they give you
> access to their lists of 'big names'.
A deferred payment my ass!!!!
When you ask somebody for a favor and you promise to give them money,
it's called
a fucking BRIBE, a kickback!!!!
Let's stop with this intellectual dishonesty. Don't pretend to be a Mr.
Goodie Two Shoes with me.
The Starmaker
Ron
"Paul Figueiredo" <pa...@jump.ca> wrote:
> Perhaps "I" oversimplified too much...
>
> Somewhere in between telling said 'casting director' that you have lots of
> money and need help finding big names to attach, and her actually helping
> you.... any casting director (and I do mean any casting director with an IQ
> even slightler greater than a bowl of cheerios) would demand a signed
> contract guaranteeing them deferred payment. Only then would they give you
> access to their lists of 'big names'.
But what you don't understand is that casting directors don't attach
stars. They fill all the smaller roles in the film.
Stars are attached via direct negotiation between the producer and the
actor's representative.
And the big casting directors don't work for deferred payment, and they
don't work for cheap, either. Any casting director with the power to
really bring in some big names (which, as I said, really is basically
zero) isn't going to work for the promise of deferred pay.
Because smart people in the business know "deferred pay" means "no pay"
nine times out of ten.
-Ron
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
If you go to a star's agent as a producer without a director attached,
you will be asked to submit a reading fee along with your script. The
reading fee is 10% of the star's current fee for a theatrical feature.
It must be submitted by cashier's check, and is non refundable.
However, if the star does attach, the fee is deducted from his/her
paycheck. If a star has box office draw, you can pretty much plan on
the reading fee running to six figures.
If you get the script to the star in another manner, often as not they
will accept the script but tell you they have to discuss it with their
agent and/or manager. A few years back, I thought I was being shifty
when DeNiro's agent (Fred Specktor) wanted to know what my world-wide
distribution package was before he'd accept the script, so I had a
friend pass the script to DeNiro and got the "Looks good, but I'll
have to talk to Fred first" answer. Some agents are very cooperative,
some aren't. My experience was that cooperative agents ran about 3 to
1.
It's a hard row to hoe. Or a hard ho to roe. Whichever.
Caroline
Paul Figueiredo
Thanks for the clarification. I come from a slightly different vantage
point. A small film circle where I come from where we often work for each
other for deferred payment. (And yes, sometimes it ends up being no-pay.)
I wasn't fully aware of how Casting directors worked in the big leagues
(other than knowing -- more common sense than anything -- that nothing is
done without some sort of contract.
Thanks again for clearing that up for me.
Cheers
Paul
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Deal Maker
this, and with success.
Big checks to write but it gets attention fast. If someone can afford
to float six figure checks, you might be better off producing a couple
indie projects and working your way up from there.
On the indie producing:
It is a "factor of ten" deal. If you can make a good picture for
$100,000 expect to be able to get a $1,000,000 budget for your next
film. Do well with a mil, expect $10 mil next time.
With $10 mil you might be able to get that star.
So roll the dice and shell out $100,000 for pay or play.
Or use that $100,000 and three filsm later, it won't be your money
doing the talking.
Either way it's as tough as nails.
Pick your poison.
Sincerely,
DM
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nmstevens
> It seems that I over-simplyfied too much...some of You guys *need*
> 'details'.
> I don't got time to write a book, so bear with me...ask around first
> before
> you jump the gun...
I think I understood exactly what you were saying -- bullshit a
casting director into finding stars for a movie you'd written and
wanted to produce or direct by telling her that you had money that you
didn't have, then, once you had the stars actually attached (and thus,
presumably could get the money and actually produce or direct it),
fuck her over and give her nothing for her efforts because, somehow or
other, you hadn't actually promised her anything, or else nothing was
in writing -- or something like that.
Presuming that this is, more or less, what you were saying, -- this
is, unquestionably, a complete and total piece of amateurland,
jerk-off dribble.
>
> I inserted comments to help you guys out...
>
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Here's How To Get Lot's of Stars Attached To Your Project!
> > A Starmaker Exclussive!
> >
> > Find out who the Top Casting Directors are.
>
> (I already provided you a list below, but there are more.)
>
>
> > Then approach them and tell them you're a producer or
> > director and have a great script.
>
> (anybody got a problem with this sentense? It's what people do everyday.
> They hire
> casting directors to cast their stuff. It's how the casting process
> works.
> The producer hires a casting director to find the talent. The casting
> director puts out
> a notice to the agents of what she is looking for.)
It's bullshit. You hire - that is *hire* a casting director on a movie
that is already set up -- that is, for which you have already gotten
the money -- to cast roles *other* that the stars - that's because the
process of getting the stars doesn't involve the casting director.
It's an entirely different process.
Now, maybe if you were doing an indie film -- essentially a movie
without star casting, you might use a casting director to cast the
whole thing - but it's the same deal -- she gets paid for her efforts
- unless there's some reason for her to do it on some other basis --
said basis to be agreed upon ahead of time. Like, in writing. Like a
contract with both your signatures on it. Because casting is her work
-- and she doesn't do it for free for some jerk-off she doesn't know
who calls up on the phone and gives her some line of bullshit.
>
>
> > Tell them you got lots
> > of money and you need help to attach some star names.
>
> (It seems some of yous have a problem with this sentense...the operative
> words is 'need help'.
> You are simply telling her to Help You find the names you want. I wrote:
> "you need help to attach some star names"
>
> It doesn't say she does the attaching! It only says you are *asking* her
> for "help"!!!
> There is a lot going behind these words, it's filled with favors and
> manipulation and
> appealing to their ego and greed and their desperation, but I don't
> have time to get
> into all of that, ....just tell her you need help attaching some names,
> and don't bother me
> with this detail stuff, believe me, she'll know what you mean and
> want...
> Everyone Knows casting directors don't attach stars to projects, but you
> are *giving* her
> the impression that she is in control of that, that she will come
> through for you, that she
> will *USE* her contacts and *RELATIONSHIPs* with Agents to get you what
> you want...
>
> Don't you get it guys, YOU ARE USING HER!!!!!!
What I get is that you said one thing and that when everyone here who
knows better told you that what you said didn't make sense you then
backtracked and tried to rewrite your own script to try to make
something that didn't make sense the first time somehow make sense in
the revision.
It didn't make sense before and it doesn't make sense in the revision.
A casting director is in no special position to get "stars" attached
to a movie. She doesn't have those kinds of relationships or those
kinds of connections. It doesn't make any difference what you say to
her or what you make her think or how you stroke her ego or any other
part of her body.
A casting director simply cannot get you stars.
You know what it takes to get somebody who can get you access to
stars?
A particular movie at a studio with which I'm familiar was having
trouble getting an appropriate name attached and so to help make that
happen they decided to bring on a particular producer. Now, it's not
that the movie needed another producer -- it's not that this
particular producer would actually *do* any producing on this
particular movie. The only reason that they brought this person on was
strictly due to the producer's relationships with certain stars. No
promises. No guarantees. No nothing - on the part of the producer.
Just relationships. But if the movie happened - that producer would
get a million dollars -- *plus* a guaranteed involvement on a bunch of
other pictures. And it didn't even matter if the star that the movie
ultimately got came by way of that producer -- of if that producer had
any additional involvement.
That's the kind of value that a studio places in somebody who has
*real* relationships with stars.
>
>
>
> > Offer them double of whatever they make and include a backend deal.
> > Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
> > $2000 to $3000. Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
> > that up!
>
> Here again you are appealing to her greed, getting her to use her
> *relationship*
> with insiders to get what you want.
>
> Don't you get it, you're scamming the bitch! You're using her and
> pretending she's the one
> with all the power to get you what you want. *USE* HER!
>
> Alright, she'll settle for a co-producing credit in the film, for
> helping you get what you want.
Again, you simply have no understanding of the fundamental realities
here -- of the profound difficulties involved in attaching a star to a
movie - and of just how many movies in this industry are wrecked on
the rocks over the simple inability to get a star to commit to it --
and conversely, just how many ridiculous pointless pieces of shit just
somehow happen because the orbits of the planets happen to fall just
right and a star says yes to a project that wouldn't have a chance in
a million years of being made otherwise.
>
>
> >
> > But don't give them any money.
>
> Translation: Don't give them any Upfront fees. (do I need to explain
> that? Cause she going to ask for it.
> She is going to Expect around $2,500 for *helping* you attach a name.
> Plus she is going to demand a
> credit of producer for helping you getting a name attached!!!!)
>
> > Tell the casting director as soon as a
> > name is
> > attached, you'll pay them.
>
> (Don't pay for undelivered goods)
>
>
>
>
>
> > The minute you got a star attached, fire
> > them!!!!
>
>
> (Hey, as everyone is crying about, she doesn't attach stars, so why
> bother even paying her????)
Well, since she isn't in the business of attaching stars, the minute
she hears you talking about doing it -- never mind the part where you
defer paying her for her services until after the star is attached and
refuse to sign anything that formalizes your agreement with her --
she'll know exactly what you are -- namely, a completely clueless gink
and promptly hang up the phone, so the likelihood of you ever even
reaching the point in the process where you would get the chance of
stiffing here are between zero and, well -- zero.
You know what you sound like? You sound like a bullshitter.
Hey, not that there's anything wrong with that.
The trouble is, this is a business made up of people who bullshit for
a living -- top professional bullshitters who've made billions at it.
You, on the other hand, come across as strictly minor league.
NMS
Robert Morein
"nmstevens" <nmst...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> > It seems that I over-simplyfied too much...some of You guys *need*
> > 'details'.
> > I don't got time to write a book, so bear with me...ask around first
> > before
> > you jump the gun...
>
> I think I understood exactly what you were saying -- bullshit a
> casting director into finding stars for a movie you'd written and
> wanted to produce or direct by telling her that you had money that you
> didn't have, then, once you had the stars actually attached (and thus,
> presumably could get the money and actually produce or direct it),
> fuck her over and give her nothing for her efforts because, somehow or
> other, you hadn't actually promised her anything, or else nothing was
> in writing -- or something like that.
>
> Presuming that this is, more or less, what you were saying, -- this
> is, unquestionably, a complete and total piece of amateurland,
> jerk-off dribble.
>
there was a crime behind the money raising antics. There's an old aphorism,
"Behind every great fortune there's a crime."
I believe Coppola said, early in his career, "I can make ten thousand act
like a million."
Spielberg (?) is famous for having discovered an un unsed bungalow on a
studio lot, and set up shop there for several weeks, identifying himself on
the phone as a studio exec.
DM, although I wouldn't want to follow you into the territory you're
exploring, I am amused by your chutzpah. It's the nature of our society to:
1. Demonize you if you fail, which unfortunately is probable
2. Salute you if you succeed, in which case you are absolved of all the
crimes involved in raising the dough.
At this point, DM's schemes are unworkable. But new scams are invented every
day, and if one of them leads to a big-box movie, we'll tip our hats to him.
DM, successful schemes are one-offs, conducted in great secrecy. They work
only once. And these days, they are more about schmoozing and less about
leaving a trail of promises and physical evidence with very dangerous
consequences.
Needless to say, most of us stay honest, one reason being that if you are
ever discovered executing one of these machinations, you are burned forever.
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
There aren't a lot of box-office draws who only make a million bucks
per movie, so we're talking a lot more than a hundred thousand. In
some cases, the reading fee will be a million or two. Or more.
It's MUCH cheaper and more expedient to attach a director, then the
reading fee is waved as a professional courtesy.
And if you have enough cash on hand to pay a reading fee for a major
star, and you also have a director attached, you'll be taken
seriously. Which is no guarantee the star you're after will be
available anytime soon. With major stars it may be several years
before they can get to your script because of previous commitments.
Caroline
On 14 Apr 2004 17:21:41 -0700, film...@deal-maker.com (Deal Maker)
wrote:
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
Oh dear, Sweetie Pie, you are intent on cutting your own throat,
aren't you? So I'm saying this more for the benefit of anyone who may
be naive enough to think you know your rectum from a rabbit hole.
This is a business built on reputation. Your "plan" is a sure fire
way to get a reputation that will make even the snakes run from you.
But you do it your way and get back to us when you have a major
feature opening wide. LOL!
That'll be the day.
Caroline
"Star Maker" indeed.
Robert Morein
"Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)" <otto....@keepyourviruses-sbcglobal.net>
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The Starmaker
>
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<407D6B...@ix.netcom.com>...
> > It seems that I over-simplyfied too much...some of You guys *need*
> > 'details'.
> > I don't got time to write a book, so bear with me...ask around first
> > before
> > you jump the gun...
>
> I think I understood exactly what you were saying -- bullshit a
> casting director into finding stars for a movie you'd written and
> wanted to produce or direct by telling her that you had money that you
> didn't have,
I never said tell her about money you didn't had. Why do people twist things around?
I wrote:
"Tell them you got lots of money and you need help to attach some star names."
I never said if you don't have any money tell them you have lots of money.
I just said "tell them you have lots of money."
You gotta think like a drug dealer, drug dealers say,
"I got the money but I don't have it with me, I got it close by."
> then, once you had the stars actually attached (and thus,
> presumably could get the money and actually produce or direct it),
> fuck her over and give her nothing for her efforts because, somehow or
> other, you hadn't actually promised her anything, or else nothing was
> in writing -- or something like that.
So your probblem is you don't want to fuck her over? Then give her the money, I don't
get it, what's the problem? It's your money, do whatever you want with it.
Just keep in mind, if she does you the favor, she's going to expect you to pay her.
>
> Presuming that this is, more or less, what you were saying, -- this
> is, unquestionably, a complete and total piece of amateurland,
> jerk-off dribble.
Now you need to be specific, what part is dribble?
Because it still stands, as I said from the *very* beginning,
The way to get a name star attached to your project is to tell the casting director
you need help to attach some star names, and in return you'll give them a credit as
producer and $2,500 as soon as the name is attached.
Anybody want to know how much it cost, I just gave you going rate, $2,500 plus a producer credit!
It's that simple, the rest are just details.
Don't you get it, her ass is forsale! You can bang her afterwards if you want, that don't cost much!
How much is a 100mg of Viagra go for nowadays? What, six dollar a dose? I have to check my email.
>
> >
> > I inserted comments to help you guys out...
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's How To Get Lot's of Stars Attached To Your Project!
> > > A Starmaker Exclussive!
> > >
> > > Find out who the Top Casting Directors are.
> >
> > (I already provided you a list below, but there are more.)
> >
> >
> > > Then approach them and tell them you're a producer or
> > > director and have a great script.
> >
> > (anybody got a problem with this sentense? It's what people do everyday.
> > They hire
> > casting directors to cast their stuff. It's how the casting process
> > works.
> > The producer hires a casting director to find the talent. The casting
> > director puts out
> > a notice to the agents of what she is looking for.)
>
> It's bullshit. You hire - that is *hire* a casting director on a movie
> that is already set up -- that is, for which you have already gotten
> the money -- to cast roles *other* that the stars - that's because the
> process of getting the stars doesn't involve the casting director.
> It's an entirely different process.
I just gave you a Starmaker Exclusive! It's a process all on it's own.
It's real, it's going on now and has been in the past. Maybe people don't
want you to know about it, ...but if there are things going on that
people don't want you to know about it, I'll tell you. That is my funcition.
That is why it's called a starmaker exclusive. That's why you're here, on the internet.
To find what you cannot find in books or seminars.
>
> Now, maybe if you were doing an indie film -- essentially a movie
> without star casting, you might use a casting director to cast the
> whole thing - but it's the same deal -- she gets paid for her efforts
> - unless there's some reason for her to do it on some other basis --
> said basis to be agreed upon ahead of time. Like, in writing. Like a
> contract with both your signatures on it. Because casting is her work
> -- and she doesn't do it for free for some jerk-off she doesn't know
> who calls up on the phone and gives her some line of bullshit.
I didn't say do it for free, I said offer her money, credit, backend deals, I threw
everything but the kitchen sink!
I don't get what is going around here. There seems to be some kind of misinformation
going around here. You guys are luky I happen to be passing through! Some of yous need
to be straighten out, i just don't know which ones. You got all these pieces of puzzels
in your hand and you're trying to make it fit. Some of yous got the wrong pieces in your hand.
Now here is a casting director talking about his search for star names:
"So I'm casting a feature now, and I put a breakdown out last week for the 3 leads.
I need star names only. I indicate at the end of the description for each role that I need:
"STAR NAMES ONLY"..." -Billy Damota, CSA
http://www.wildogre.com/articles/billydamota-01.htm
And he's not even one of the top CD's out there!
I wouldn't even recommend him!
Where do you people get this idea that casting directors *don't* cast stars?
Maybe I'm posting my starmaker's exclusive in the wrong newsgroup. I don't think you
guys can handle this stuff!!!
I'm surprised nobody came here and said Casting Directors don't take $2,500 for helping
producers attach a star, and also giving them producer credit for it. That would've made me
mad if somebody said that. I was keeping my eye out for that one.
WHAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE????
>
> A casting director is in no special position to get "stars" attached
> to a movie. She doesn't have those kinds of relationships or those
> kinds of connections. It doesn't make any difference what you say to
> her or what you make her think or how you stroke her ego or any other
> part of her body.
>
> A casting director simply cannot get you stars.
I said, HELP you get a star, not get you a star, HELP you get a star, not get you a star, Help!
And you give her the money when the star is attached. And if you don't feel like giving her
the money, just tell her "If you mentioned this to anybody, You Never Work In This Town Again!!!!"
>
> You know what it takes to get somebody who can get you access to
> stars?
Twenty five hundred dollars, and a producer's credit!
>
> A particular movie at a studio with which I'm familiar was having
> trouble getting an appropriate name attached and so to help make that
> happen they decided to bring on a particular producer. Now, it's not
> that the movie needed another producer -- it's not that this
> particular producer would actually *do* any producing on this
> particular movie. The only reason that they brought this person on was
> strictly due to the producer's relationships with certain stars. No
> promises. No guarantees. No nothing - on the part of the producer.
> Just relationships. But if the movie happened - that producer would
> get a million dollars -- *plus* a guaranteed involvement on a bunch of
> other pictures. And it didn't even matter if the star that the movie
> ultimately got came by way of that producer -- of if that producer had
> any additional involvement.
>
> That's the kind of value that a studio places in somebody who has
> *real* relationships with stars.
Well, I'm saying the same thing. Place your value in a casting director to
help you attach a name. It's very simple. I must be having a nightmare here!!!
I'm going to wake up and none of theses responses will be here. I'm having lucid dreams again.
I know what to do, if I cannot turn on or off the lights, I know I'm dreaming.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > Offer them double of whatever they make and include a backend deal.
> > > Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
> > > $2000 to $3000. Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
> > > that up!
> >
> > Here again you are appealing to her greed, getting her to use her
> > *relationship*
> > with insiders to get what you want.
> >
> > Don't you get it, you're scamming the bitch! You're using her and
> > pretending she's the one
> > with all the power to get you what you want. *USE* HER!
> >
> > Alright, she'll settle for a co-producing credit in the film, for
> > helping you get what you want.
>
> Again, you simply have no understanding of the fundamental realities
> here -- of the profound difficulties involved in attaching a star to a
> movie - and of just how many movies in this industry are wrecked on
> the rocks over the simple inability to get a star to commit to it --
> and conversely, just how many ridiculous pointless pieces of shit just
> somehow happen because the orbits of the planets happen to fall just
> right and a star says yes to a project that wouldn't have a chance in
> a million years of being made otherwise.
That is a very good reason not to give a casting director any upfront fees.
Wait till the star is attached, then give her the money if you feel like it.
Let her work her ass off.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > But don't give them any money.
> >
> > Translation: Don't give them any Upfront fees. (do I need to explain
> > that? Cause she going to ask for it.
> > She is going to Expect around $2,500 for *helping* you attach a name.
> > Plus she is going to demand a
> > credit of producer for helping you getting a name attached!!!!)
> >
> > > Tell the casting director as soon as a
> > > name is
> > > attached, you'll pay them.
> >
> > (Don't pay for undelivered goods)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > The minute you got a star attached, fire
> > > them!!!!
> >
> >
> > (Hey, as everyone is crying about, she doesn't attach stars, so why
> > bother even paying her????)
>
> Well, since she isn't in the business of attaching stars, the minute
> she hears you talking about doing it -- never mind the part where you
> defer paying her for her services until after the star is attached and
> refuse to sign anything that formalizes your agreement with her --
If she promises you to help you, go ahead and sign that piece of paper.
That's all it is, a piece of paper. What do you got to lose?
> she'll know exactly what you are -- namely, a completely clueless gink
> and promptly hang up the phone, so the likelihood of you ever even
> reaching the point in the process where you would get the chance of
> stiffing here are between zero and, well -- zero.
>
> You know what you sound like? You sound like a bullshitter.
>
> Hey, not that there's anything wrong with that.
>
> The trouble is, this is a business made up of people who bullshit for
> a living -- top professional bullshitters who've made billions at it.
>
> You, on the other hand, come across as strictly minor league.
>
> NMS
The Internet does not allow bullshit, like Hollywood does. Someone post
any information on the Internet, they better be prepared to back it up.
The other week I wrote on this newsgroup:
"Did you know that of the seven Moran's men that were killed
on Feb 14th St. Valentine's Massacre by Capone's gang,
six of them were Jewish?"
The response I got was one of those off the cuff response:
"I don't think they were really gangsters, but they sure are a lot more
respectable now than they were then!"
I had to post all their names and criminal records to prove that those 6 Jewish
guys who were in Moran's gang were all criminals, hanging out with other criminals
and deserve every bullett they got. Bad guys! Scum of the earth!!
You guys have been told a lie for so long, you don't believe the truth when you hear it!
The Starmaker
And if you think there are no Jewish Gangsters today, don't get me started on that one.....!!!!
The Starmaker
> have to talk to Fred first" answer. Some agents are very cooperative,
> some aren't. My experience was that cooperative agents ran about 3 to
> 1.
You need to whisper into the stars ears, "Don't trust your agent!"
He'll whisper back, "Why?"
You whisper back (as though the room is bugged), "He wants you to do TV
instead!!"
He'll have a scared look on his face.
You got him by the balls.
The Starmaker
"When you've got them by the balls,
their hearts and minds will follow."
Robert Morein
> nmstevens wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:<407D6B...@ix.netcom.com>...
> > > It seems that I over-simplyfied too much...some of You guys *need*
> > > 'details'.
> > > I don't got time to write a book, so bear with me...ask around first
> > > before
> > > you jump the gun...
> >
> > I think I understood exactly what you were saying -- bullshit a
> > casting director into finding stars for a movie you'd written and
> > wanted to produce or direct by telling her that you had money that you
> > didn't have,
>
> I never said tell her about money you didn't had. Why do people twist
things around?
> I wrote:
>
> "Tell them you got lots of money and you need help to attach some star
names."
>
>
> I never said if you don't have any money tell them you have lots of money.
> I just said "tell them you have lots of money."
>
> You gotta think like a drug dealer, drug dealers say,
> "I got the money but I don't have it with me, I got it close by."
>
You're an "original".
You're far too entertaining for me to slam.
If you succeed, I'll say, "I knew that guy when he was bullshitting
me..."
Good luck (seriously meant.)
Joe Myers
> Starmaker,
> You're an "original".
> You're far too entertaining for me to slam.
> If you succeed, I'll say, "I knew that guy when he was bullshitting
> me..."
> Good luck (seriously meant.)
OK, DAMNIT!!
Is this the *real* "Robert Morein" or the guy who pretends to be him? And
is the guy who pretends to be him the one who's living off of daddy's money
and suing the University of Pennsylvania to get his graduate degree in
whatever, despite not meeting the requirements? (Forget for a moment that
the guy who's living with mom and dad and is suing Penn is the "legitimate"
Robert Morein. I think.)
Isn't "Starmaker" another EJN sockpuppet? Or have I not been paying close
enough attention?
Hasn't "Starmaker" been a pathetic loser/troll on lots of other newsgroups
prior to infecting mis-writing-screenplays?
Joe Myers
"After all these years, do I have to buy
a program just to know the players?!"
nmstevens
> nmstevens wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<407D6B...@ix.netcom.com>...
> > > It seems that I over-simplyfied too much...some of You guys *need*
> > > 'details'.
> > > I don't got time to write a book, so bear with me...ask around first
> > > before
> > > you jump the gun...
> >
> > I think I understood exactly what you were saying -- bullshit a
> > casting director into finding stars for a movie you'd written and
> > wanted to produce or direct by telling her that you had money that you
> > didn't have,
>
> I never said tell her about money you didn't had. Why do people twist things around?
> I wrote:
>
> "Tell them you got lots of money and you need help to attach some star names."
>
>
> I never said if you don't have any money tell them you have lots of money.
> I just said "tell them you have lots of money."
>
> You gotta think like a drug dealer, drug dealers say,
> "I got the money but I don't have it with me, I got it close by."
Well, in the drug world, if they try the shit you're suggesting --
namely promising to pay somebody and then not paying, they come by
your apartment, shoot you in the head, and then kill your girlfriend
and your dog for good measure. Professional drug dealers tend to be
very fussy about people not going back on their promises.
Clearly, this is another area in which you actually don't know
anything.
Even more clearly -- this is simply another attempt to "rewrite" a
first draft that clearly isn't working.
If you're telling them that you have lots of money -- and actually
have lots of money -- if you had enough money to make the movie -- to
actually hire the star in question -- then the whole issue would be
moot, there wouldn't be any reason to be fucking around with some
casting agent, to be screwing around with "paying her after the movie
gets made" and then stiffing her afterward and all the rest of this
bullshit.
If you had enough money to pay everybody's fee -- and had a script
capable of attracting the talent -- hey, you're Mr. Big Time Producer
all by yourself. Draw a list of whoever you want to cast, have your
assistant call up their agents or managers, find out their asking
prices and availabilities, and start sending out the script -- in
order of preference -- because you only make offers to stars one at a
time.
That's how it's done when you have the money.
The whole bullshit scenario you're talking about only makes sense when
you don't have the money.
And since the average person doesn't happen to have the thirty or
forty or eighty or hundred million dollars necessary to make a
Hollywood movie - it's a pretty reasonable inference that your
bullshit scenario was, in fact, describing how to get a star attached
when, in fact, one *does not* have the money attached to make the
movie.
>
>
> > then, once you had the stars actually attached (and thus,
> > presumably could get the money and actually produce or direct it),
> > fuck her over and give her nothing for her efforts because, somehow or
> > other, you hadn't actually promised her anything, or else nothing was
> > in writing -- or something like that.
>
> So your probblem is you don't want to fuck her over? Then give her the money, I don't
> get it, what's the problem? It's your money, do whatever you want with it.
> Just keep in mind, if she does you the favor, she's going to expect you to pay her.
That is only one of the problems. Fucking people over, though you
clearly don't believe it -- is always a problem. What I have always
said is that this is a very small town consisting of people with big
egos, thin skins, and long memories. The receptionist you treat like
shit and fuck over today may be the studio executive in a position to
fuck you over next year -- and she'll surely remember you and happily
do it when the opportunity arises.
Shocking though it may seem, in the long run, it is better to have a
reputation as somebody who can be trusted and whose word can be
respected, not only in this business, but in any business, then as a
sneaky lying scumbag who you have to sue to get the money that's owed
you.
Additionally, if you're agreeing to pay her and give her credit for
casting work -- and her job is that of a casting director -- that's
not a favor, moron. That's a professional contract. And if you don't
fulfil you're end of it, you're going to find yourself in court. And
certainly, (of course, at this point, I'm presuming your absurd
scenario that she could/would be capable of providing star casting)
even if she agreed to deferred payment -- deferred payments are
covered by contracts -- said contracts are *not* deferred -- they get
signed up front. These are *not* like drug deals. It's not "Hey baby,
trust me, I'm a big time producer - you don't want the deal, I'll take
it to some other casting bitch --"
No. It doesn't work that way.
And finally -- and yet again -- casting directors don't handle star
casting. That casting happens directly between the producer and the
manager/agent of each star -- one at a time. You work up the list, you
find out availabilities/asking prices. Then you send the scripts out,
first to the agents/managers to see if you can get *them* interested.
If they're interested/excited -- you get them to pass the scripts on
to the stars in question, hope that *they'll* get interested/excited
-- and that they'll then be *willing* to accept the ton of money that
you're prepared to throw at their feet.
If not - you then move on to the next star on your list and repeat the
process, script in one hand, ton of money in the other hand. And of
course, as you're doing it, dozens of other producers, each with
scripts in one hand and tons of money in the other -- are doing
exactly the same thing with all the stars in question.
You see, that's why the deferred 2500 bucks you're talking about
tossing toward a casting director strikes everybody around here who's
actually had experience in this arena as such a total fucking joke.
> >
> > Presuming that this is, more or less, what you were saying, -- this
> > is, unquestionably, a complete and total piece of amateurland,
> > jerk-off dribble.
>
> Now you need to be specific, what part is dribble?
It's hard to be specific when every single part of it is total fucking
dribble.
Casting directors don't cast stars. Offering a casting director a
deferred interest in order to get star casting would mark you as a
moron. 2500 dollars as payment to get *star* casting is a joke --
producers often get millions to get stars attached to projects.
Stiffing her after she would do the job (which she neither could nor
would do in the first place) is both frankly illegal and immoral --
and in the long run both are bad for you professionally.
Is that specific enough for you?
>
> Because it still stands, as I said from the *very* beginning,
>
> The way to get a name star attached to your project is to tell the casting director
> you need help to attach some star names, and in return you'll give them a credit as
> producer and $2,500 as soon as the name is attached.
>
> Anybody want to know how much it cost, I just gave you going rate, $2,500 plus a producer credit!
> It's that simple, the rest are just details.
>
> Don't you get it, her ass is forsale! You can bang her afterwards if you want, that don't cost much!
> How much is a 100mg of Viagra go for nowadays? What, six dollar a dose? I have to check my email.
Yeah. Right.
You said it. So do us a favor and actually learn something about this
business before you decide to pass yourself as somebody who knows
something.
You guys are luky I happen to be passing through! Some of yous need
> to be straighten out, i just don't know which ones. You got all these pieces of puzzels
> in your hand and you're trying to make it fit. Some of yous got the wrong pieces in your hand.
>
> Now here is a casting director talking about his search for star names:
>
> "So I'm casting a feature now, and I put a breakdown out last week for the 3 leads.
> I need star names only. I indicate at the end of the description for each role that I need:
> "STAR NAMES ONLY"..." -Billy Damota, CSA
> http://www.wildogre.com/articles/billydamota-01.htm
>
> And he's not even one of the top CD's out there!
>
> I wouldn't even recommend him!
>
> Where do you people get this idea that casting directors *don't* cast stars?
Clearly, another schmuck who doesn't know how to get stars attached to
his movies.
>
>
> Maybe I'm posting my starmaker's exclusive in the wrong newsgroup. I don't think you
> guys can handle this stuff!!!
> I'm surprised nobody came here and said Casting Directors don't take $2,500 for helping
> producers attach a star, and also giving them producer credit for it. That would've made me
> mad if somebody said that. I was keeping my eye out for that one.
A casting director isn't in the business of helping a producer attach
stars to a movie for any amount of money. The process of attaching the
stars to a project is what makes the movie happen.
You have a script -- you're trying to get it greenlit. That process
involves trying to get some element attached that will make the head
head of a studio greenlight the project. Sometimes, very rarely, a
director will do that. Far more often, it takes a star. When a star,
or stars (depending on the project) sign on the line, then the movie
happens.
It's only after the movie happens, and goes into preproduction, that a
casting director will even be hired. She has nothing whatever to do
with the process of attaching those stars. Nothing. She isn't even
there when it happens.
(snip)
>
> >
> > You know what it takes to get somebody who can get you access to
> > stars?
>
> Twenty five hundred dollars, and a producer's credit!
>
> >
> > A particular movie at a studio with which I'm familiar was having
> > trouble getting an appropriate name attached and so to help make that
> > happen they decided to bring on a particular producer. Now, it's not
> > that the movie needed another producer -- it's not that this
> > particular producer would actually *do* any producing on this
> > particular movie. The only reason that they brought this person on was
> > strictly due to the producer's relationships with certain stars. No
> > promises. No guarantees. No nothing - on the part of the producer.
> > Just relationships. But if the movie happened - that producer would
> > get a million dollars -- *plus* a guaranteed involvement on a bunch of
> > other pictures. And it didn't even matter if the star that the movie
> > ultimately got came by way of that producer -- of if that producer had
> > any additional involvement.
> >
> > That's the kind of value that a studio places in somebody who has
> > *real* relationships with stars.
>
> Well, I'm saying the same thing. Place your value in a casting director to
> help you attach a name. It's very simple. I must be having a nightmare here!!!
> I'm going to wake up and none of theses responses will be here. I'm having lucid dreams again.
> I know what to do, if I cannot turn on or off the lights, I know I'm dreaming.
>
Are you really that dense? Why in the world, if a given value could be
had for 2500 dollars, would studios be paying millions for it?
That kind of access simply isn't available -- it can't be had by way
of a casting director. It can't be had except by way of
"relationships" that cost real money.
(snip)
>
> > she'll know exactly what you are -- namely, a completely clueless gink
> > and promptly hang up the phone, so the likelihood of you ever even
> > reaching the point in the process where you would get the chance of
> > stiffing here are between zero and, well -- zero.
> >
> > You know what you sound like? You sound like a bullshitter.
> >
> > Hey, not that there's anything wrong with that.
> >
> > The trouble is, this is a business made up of people who bullshit for
> > a living -- top professional bullshitters who've made billions at it.
> >
> > You, on the other hand, come across as strictly minor league.
> >
> > NMS
>
>
> The Internet does not allow bullshit, like Hollywood does.
Oh? What's stopping you?
Someone post
> any information on the Internet, they better be prepared to back it up.
>
> The other week I wrote on this newsgroup:
>
> "Did you know that of the seven Moran's men that were killed
> on Feb 14th St. Valentine's Massacre by Capone's gang,
> six of them were Jewish?"
>
>
> The response I got was one of those off the cuff response:
>
> "I don't think they were really gangsters, but they sure are a lot more
> respectable now than they were then!"
>
>
> I had to post all their names and criminal records to prove that those 6 Jewish
> guys who were in Moran's gang were all criminals, hanging out with other criminals
> and deserve every bullett they got. Bad guys! Scum of the earth!!
Plenty of Jewish gangsters - and those were far from the toughest.
There were other guys that Capone could never touch. There's this sort
of idea floating around -- oh, you had like the Italian mobsters, they
were the "tough" mobsters, like Capone, and then you had the Jewish
mobsters, they were like the "smart" mobsters, like Meyer Lansky. No
-- the Jewish mobsters were just as fucking brutal and crazy as any
other fucking mobsters.
>
> You guys have been told a lie for so long, you don't believe the truth when you hear it!
> The Starmaker
>
>
> And if you think there are no Jewish Gangsters today, don't get me started on that one.....!!!!
Of couse there are Jewish Gangsters today.
And there are also bullshitters.
And you're one of them.
NMS
Deal Maker
Yes, I know this... What I meant to say, or get across, was if you
only have $100,000 to spend. Two films later you might have $10 mil of
OPM that could attract the needed elements.
Are you serious on the reading fee? I know it's typically ten percent
but isn't there some type of cap?
If the *star* you're after gets ten-twenty mil a picture, it can't be
one-two mil a read. Seven figures is an insane gamble. Six figures is
a horrible risk.
It would be less risky to take that six figures and make an indie,
where you actually have a chance to make money, than roll the dice and
pray they like it, and hope it gets set up.
Last I heard, Tom Hanks would read for low sixes...
I must be out of the loop.
Sincerely,
DM
"Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)" <otto....@keepyourviruses-sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<jr2s70tlfhfp5ql3t...@4ax.com>...
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
wrote:
>Caroline,
>
>Yes, I know this... What I meant to say, or get across, was if you
>only have $100,000 to spend. Two films later you might have $10 mil of
>OPM that could attract the needed elements.
>
>Are you serious on the reading fee? I know it's typically ten percent
>but isn't there some type of cap?
>
>If the *star* you're after gets ten-twenty mil a picture, it can't be
>one-two mil a read. Seven figures is an insane gamble. Six figures is
>a horrible risk.
>
>It would be less risky to take that six figures and make an indie,
>where you actually have a chance to make money, than roll the dice and
>pray they like it, and hope it gets set up.
>
>Last I heard, Tom Hanks would read for low sixes...
>
>I must be out of the loop.
>
>Sincerely,
>DM
The purpose of the reading fee is to discourage indie producers who
want to attach a star in order to raise money. As you are likely
aware, much of indie producing consists of telling "half truths" as
whole truths. "Casting? Well, Sean Penn and Robert Duvall are
reading the script as we speak. We're looking for ten mil to go with
our international coproduction funding in France." Possible
(probable?) translation: "I've mailed unsolicited scripts to Penn and
Duvall's agents, and we have fifty bucks in a bank in Paris."
And last I heard, yes, if the star's going rate is twenty million a
film, the reading fee is two million. Absorbetent? That's the
purpose of the reading fee. I don't know of anyone who has paid a
reading fee. It's insanity. As I said, it's MUCH cheaper and far
more expedient to attach a director. No half truths required. The
director need not be Martin Scorsese or Robert Altman, but an IMDb
director filmography is good, just as DGA membership is an asset. A
director's reel is also useful. Offering it shows you are serious
about your project.
This does NOT apply to screenwriters who want a star to look at their
script in hope of getting a letter of intent. But for those who don't
realize this, don't attach a minor star. If you're going to try for a
letter of inent, make sure it's from someone who will be a major asset
to the movie. But you'd be much better off submitting your script to
the star's own prodco, assuming he/she has one.
Caroline
pinknebulous
"Joe Myers" <monke...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:HArfc.37011$YK4....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
> "Robert Morein" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
>
> > Starmaker,
> > You're an "original".
> > You're far too entertaining for me to slam.
> > If you succeed, I'll say, "I knew that guy when he was bullshitting
> > me..."
> > Good luck (seriously meant.)
>
> OK, DAMNIT!!
>
> Is this the *real* "Robert Morein" or the guy who pretends to be him? And
> is the guy who pretends to be him the one who's living off of daddy's
money
> and suing the University of Pennsylvania to get his graduate degree in
> whatever, despite not meeting the requirements? (Forget for a moment that
> the guy who's living with mom and dad and is suing Penn is the
"legitimate"
> Robert Morein. I think.)
He's suing Drexel University, not Penn.
pink
Sylvan Morein
"pinknebulous" <pinkne...@herenoemailseenoemail.com> wrote:
> He's suing Drexel University, not Penn.
>
> pink
No pink, he's already sued Drexel and lost. Even made me pay to petition
the Supreme Court (that cost a pretty penny). And he lost. Time and time
again. Do you know how embarrassing it is to have such a loser for a son?
Here's a summary of the sad history of my son Bob, who's never had an
"artistic project" in his sad 52 years of uselessness. Sadly, he's never
even had a job but lives off my hard work and that of his now dead mother.
Unfortunately, Bob can NEVER admit he's been beaten, or he's wrong. He
spent 12 years in college trying to write a thesis that was totally without
any scientific merit. When Drexel got tired of his bleating about not
giving him a degree, he sued them. And even after he was proven IN COURT to
have been wrong, he insisted on appealing to the Supreme Court in
Washington.
And to this day, still believes that THEY are wrong, too!
So you're not going to change him, god knows his mother tried and it killed
her.
Dr. Sylvan Morein, DDS
PROVEN PUBLISHED FACTS about my Son, Robert Morein
Dr. Sylvan Morein, DDS
--
Bob Morein History
--
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/4853918.htm
> Doctoral student takes intellectual property case to Supreme Court
> By L. STUART DITZEN
> Philadelphia Inquirer
>
> PHILADELPHIA -Even the professors who dismissed him from a doctoral program
> at Drexel University agreed that Robert Morein was uncommonly smart.
>
> They apparently didn't realize that he was uncommonly stubborn too - so much
> so that he would mount a court fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
> to challenge his dismissal.
The Supremes have already rejected this appeal, btw.
>
> "It's a personality trait I have - I'm a tenacious guy," said Morein, a
> pleasantly eccentric man regarded by friends as an inventive genius. "And we
> do come to a larger issue here."
An "inventive genius" that has never invented anything. And hardly
"pleasantly" eccentric.
> A five-year legal battle between this unusual ex-student and one of
> Philadelphia's premier educational institutions has gone largely unnoticed
> by the media and the public.
Because no one gives a shit about a 50 year old loser.
>
> But it has been the subject of much attention in academia.
>
> Drexel says it dismissed Morein in 1995 because he failed, after eight
> years, to complete a thesis required for a doctorate in electrical and
> computer engineering.
Not to mention the 12 years it took him to get thru high school!
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> Morein, 50, of Dresher, Pa., contends that he was dismissed only after his
> thesis adviser "appropriated" an innovative idea Morein had developed in a
> rarefied area of thought called "estimation theory" and arranged to have it
> patented.
A contention rejected by three courts. From a 50 YEAR OLD that has
done NOTHING PRODUCTIVE with his life.
>
> In February 2000, Philadelphia Common Pleas Court Judge Esther R. Sylvester
> ruled that Morein's adviser indeed had taken his idea.
An idea that was worth nothing, because it didn't work. Just like
Robert Morein, who has never worked a day in his life.
>
> Sylvester held that Morein had been unjustly dismissed and she ordered
> Drexel to reinstate him or refund his tuition.
Funnily enough, Drexel AGREED to reinstate Morein, who rejected the
offer because he knew he was and IS a failed loser. Spending daddy's
money to cover up his lack of productivity.
>
> That brought roars of protest from the lions of academia. There is a long
> tradition in America of noninterference by the courts in academic decisions.
>
> Backed by every major university in Pennsylvania and organizations
> representing thousands of others around the country, Drexel appealed to the
> state Superior Court.
>
> The appellate court, by a 2-1 vote, reversed Sylvester in June 2001 and
> restored the status quo. Morein was, once again, out at Drexel. And the
> time-honored axiom that courts ought to keep their noses out of academic
> affairs was reasserted.
>
> The state Supreme Court declined to review the case and, in an ordinary
> litigation, that would have been the end of it.
>
> But Morein, in a quixotic gesture that goes steeply against the odds, has
> asked the highest court in the land to give him a hearing.
Daddy throws more money down the crapper.
> His attorney, Faye Riva Cohen, said the Supreme Court appeal is important
> even if it fails because it raises the issue of whether a university has a
> right to lay claim to a student's ideas - or intellectual property - without
> compensation.
>
> "Any time you are in a Ph.D. program, you are a serf, you are a slave," said
> Cohen. Morein "is concerned not only for himself. He feels that what
> happened to him is pretty common."
It's called HIGHER EDUCATION, honey. The students aren't in charge,
the UNIVERSITY and PROFESSORS are.
> Drexel's attorney, Neil J. Hamburg, called Morein's appeal - and his claim
> that his idea was stolen - "preposterous."
>
> "I will eat my shoe if the Supreme Court hears this case," declared Hamburg.
> "We're not even going to file a response. He is a brilliant guy, but his
> intelligence should be used for the advancement of society rather than
> pursuing self-destructive litigation."
No shit sherlock.
> The litigation began in 1997, when Morein sued Drexel claiming that a
> committee of professors had dumped him after he accused his faculty adviser,
> Paul Kalata, of appropriating his idea.
>
> His concept was considered to have potential value for businesses in
> minutely measuring the internal functions of machines, industrial processes
> and electronic systems.
>
> The field of "estimation theory" is one in which scientists attempt to
> calculate what they cannot plainly observe, such as the inside workings of a
> nuclear plant or a computer.
My estimation theory? There is NO brain at work inside the head of
Robert Morein, only sawdust.
>
> Prior to Morein's dismissal, Drexel looked into his complaint against Kalata
> and concluded that the associate professor had done nothing wrong. Kalata,
> through a university lawyer, declined to comment.
>
> At a nonjury trial before Sylvester in 1999, Morein testified that Kalata in
> 1990 had posed a technical problem for him to study for his thesis. It
> related to estimation theory.
>
> Kalata, who did not appear at the trial, said in a 1998 deposition that a
> Cherry Hill company for which he was a paid consultant, K-Tron
> International, had asked him to develop an alternate estimation method for
> it. The company manufactures bulk material feeders and conveyors used in
> industrial processes.
>
> Morein testified that, after much study, he experienced "a flash of
> inspiration" and came up with a novel mathematical concept to address the
> problem Kalata had presented.
>
> Without his knowledge, Morein said, Kalata shared the idea with K-Tron.
>
> K-Tron then applied for a patent, listing Kalata and Morein as co-inventors.
>
> Morein said he agreed "under duress" to the arrangement, but felt "locked
> into a highly disadvantageous situation." As a result, he testified, he
> became alienated from Kalata.
>
> As events unfolded, Kalata signed over his interest in the patent to K-Tron.
> The company never capitalized on the technology and eventually allowed the
> patent to lapse. No one made any money from it.
Because it was bogus. Even Kalata was mortified that he was a victim
of this SCAMSTER, Robert Morein.
> In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering
> department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property, and
> asked for a new faculty adviser.
The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein.
> He didn't get one. Instead, a committee of four professors, including
> Kalata, was formed to oversee Morein's thesis work.
>
> Four years later, the committee dismissed him, saying he had failed to
> complete his thesis.
So Morein fucks up his first couple years, gets new faculty advisers
(a TEAM), and then fucks up again! Brilliant!
>
> Morein claimed that the committee intentionally had undermined him.
Morein makes LOTS of claims that are nonsense. One look thru the
usenet proves it.
>
> Judge Sylvester agreed. In her ruling, Sylvester wrote: "It is this court's
> opinion that the defendants were motivated by bad faith and ill will."
So much for political machine judges.
>
> The U.S. Supreme Court receives 7,000 appeals a year and agrees to hear only
> about 100 of them.
>
> Hamburg, Drexel's attorney, is betting the high court will reject Morein's
> appeal out of hand because its focal point - concerning a student's right to
> intellectual property - was not central to the litigation in the
> Pennsylvania courts.
> Morein said he understands it's a long shot, but he feels he must pursue it.
Just like all the failed "causes" Morein pursues. Heck, he's been
chasing another "Brian McCarty" for years and yet has ZERO impact on
anything.
Failure. Look it up in Websters. You'll see a picture of Robert
Morein. The poster boy for SCAMMING LOSERS.
>
> "I had to seek closure," he said.
>
> Without a doctorate, he said, he has been unable to pursue a career he had
> hoped would lead him into research on artificial intelligence.
Who better to tell us about "artificial intelligence".
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> As it is, Morein lives at home with his father and makes a modest income
> from stock investments. He has written a film script that he is trying to
> make into a movie. And in the basement of his father's home he is working on
> an invention, an industrial pump so powerful it could cut steel with a
> bulletlike stream of water.
FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED
> But none of it is what he had imagined for himself.
>
> "I don't really have a replacement career," Morein said. "It's a very
> gnawing thing.
pinknebulous
"Sylvan Morein" <myso...@getsmymoneywheni.die> wrote in message
news:BCA54A44.3D2A6%myso...@getsmymoneywheni.die...
> > In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering
> > department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property,
and
> > asked for a new faculty adviser.
>
> The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein.
Sounds like they're foaming at the mouth, too...
pink
The Starmaker
> It's not "Hey baby,
> trust me, I'm a big time producer - you don't want the deal, I'll take
> it to some other casting bitch --"
>
> No. It doesn't work that way.
Well I'm sorry to say, that *is* the way it works. If you follow my
simple instructions,
and she don't want the deal, you tell her I'll take it to someone else!
Or to put it
in your words, "to some other casting bitch --"
That's how it works! I don't understand why you think otherwise.
Maybe, NMS you come from a different world than i do. Maybe you belong
to the old Hollywood.
You seem to know what you're talking about, but your information seems a
little outdated, or
it's not keeping up with the times. I'm not into doing things the
traditional way, which seems
to be your forte. You sound like a real mench, and I'm sure the way
things used to be,
worked out for you. But my post isn't for guys like you. It's not for
people who are entrenched
in the old Hollywood ways, or have differculties adapting to changing
times.
I even posted below a known casting director who is seeking only star
names for someone who probably
hired him and your response was:
"Clearly, another schmuck who doesn't know how to get stars attached to
his movies."
It's obvious, when the truth is put in front of you, you refuse to see
it.
When you stick your head in the ground, do you know what is exposed?
I don't have time to teach an old dog new tricks.
My original post is not for guys like you, or others here who have
experience to a point where they
cannot make any waves. My post is for those who have a script, a movie
idea, for anyone who wants
to break in fast, with the least amount of money, and has no connection
inside. Maybe they feel
if they had a star attached, they can get the financing they need. It's
called "creative financing".
It's for the risk takers.
The Starmaker
We live in a different world today. You can now make a movie that the
whole entire
'old Hollywood guard' that runs Hollywood would be totally against and
still make money. Even 99 percent
of distributers did not want to distribute it (which doesn't make any
business sense, it can only mean one thing, ...
there are a bunch of religious gangsters still trying to run
Hollywood.), ...
The 'old Hollywood guard' has to go!
The Starmaker
>
> aren't you? So I'm saying this more for the benefit of anyone who may
> be naive enough to think you know your rectum from a rabbit hole.
>
> This is a business built on reputation. Your "plan" is a sure fire
> way to get a reputation that will make even the snakes run from you.
>
> But you do it your way and get back to us when you have a major
> feature opening wide. LOL!
>
> That'll be the day.
>
> Caroline
> "Star Maker" indeed.
Dear Sweet Caroline,
I don't understand what benefit you're giving to anyone.
If there is something wrong with the plan, be specific....instead
of making blanket meaningless remarks like rabbits, snakes and sweet
pies.
That's if you're woman enough.
The Starmaker
Reputations are built on success, and nothing more.
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
Whazamattata, I'm too subtle for you? The problem with your "plan" is
that this is NOT a buisness of and for the stupid. Your "plan"
assumes stupidity on the part of others, while proving it on the part
of anyone who would undertake the execution of it.
Now, what part of the above don't you understand? '-)
Caroline
Dr. Jai Maharaj
otto....@keepyourviruses-sbcglobal.net posted:
A quotable quotation from the above:
"Your 'plan' assumes stupidity on the part of others."
- Caroline Freisen
So someone has told her that there are no "other"
stupid persons in Hollywood. (Well, maybe not in El Paso.)
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Jason Gorringe
Please list your major films and the stars attached to them (after all,
'Reputations are built on success, and nothing more.')
Jason
Deal Maker
DM
"Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)" <otto....@keepyourviruses-sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<eplt709m5bskklbcb...@4ax.com>...
The Starmaker
There is no assumption being made, we're talking CASTING DIRECTORS!!!
It's possible Caroline that you don't understand the mentallity of
casting directors.
They are just file clerks who happen to stumble on the job of casting
directos.
There are no casting director schools. They are *all* receptionist,
secretaries and file clerks
that assist other receptionist, secretaries and file clerks who have the
title of casting director.
They lie, cheat and steal from actors. Laws were created to protect
actors from them to no avail.
They are all small minded people and can easily be corrupted. They are
petty people.
I don't want to say anything bad about them, but I can understand you
not knowing what
kind of people they really are. They spend their weekends stealing from
actors who have no money.
So $2,500 is BIG BUCKS to them!
Come from understanding Caroline and you'll see how simple it is what I
propose.
> while proving it on the part
> of anyone who would undertake the execution of it.
I am only here conveying information that other producers have already
executed and succeeded in.
Maybe I'm simply revealing information *others* don't want you to know
about.
>
> Now, what part of the above don't you understand? '-)
>
> Caroline
Thanks for making it clear for me, I'm not the brightest crayon in the
box.
Why do women speak in morse code?
The Starmaker
Would you believe I spend most of my time trying to decipher what woman
are trying to say to me!!!!
I don't have time to be reading minds. Where do you chicks get the idea
that we guys are mind readers?
The Starmaker
> friend pass the script to DeNiro and got the "Looks good, but I'll
> have to talk to Fred first" answer. Some agents are very cooperative,
> some aren't. My experience was that cooperative agents ran about 3 to
> 1.
>
What is this 3 to 1 business?!? Are you people playing dice here??
You cannot allow agents (bloodsuckers, tomatoe juice drinkers) to be
uncooperative.
Agents do not have their client's interest in mind.
You have to *influence* an agent.
Have you tried legal methods like offering him some "taste" besides the
percentage he already gets?
Give the agent what he wants and he gives you what you want.
But you need to investigate what he wants before you can offer it to
him.
More money is usually what they want, but with some it can be a few
hits of cocaine or
a weekend with chicks on a rented boat.
Or you can hire a couple of motocyle gang guys to dangle him from a
window, then let one arm
go and then getting an agreement from him with the other hand.
Maybe he likes horses and has one he wants to put out to stud.
ah - ah - ah - ah - ah ah - ah - ah - ah - ah ah - ah - ah - ah - ah! !
!
So the next day, my father went to see him; only this time with Luca
Brasi.
And within an hour, he attached the star for a certified check for
$1,000.
How'd he do that?
My father made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
The Starmaker
>
> Please list your major films and the stars attached to them (after all,
> 'Reputations are built on success, and nothing more.')
>
> Jason
I thnk it's real funny that there seems to be in *every* newsgroup,
someone who goes around collecting resumes!!!
The Starmaker
>
> In article <b4357bb6.0404...@posting.google.com>, Deal Maker
> call. All I need is someone to post the name of the script. Let's see
> if that happens.
"The Godfather 4", ...now go tell Duvall The Starmaker sent you.
The Starmaker
The Starmaker
posting the empirical truth.
I got this, ...
I don't know what you call it..
it could be a Memo or
some sort of
correspondence,
you can call it a letter to,
or whatever...
but it is written by
a leading casting director..
I don't know the name at this moment
but I'm sure I can get it if necessary...
she or he is communicating her frustation
and anquish to others, to other casting directors
about her experiences..
Right now I will only post some of her quotes...
But if you read the quotes
you will find that everything I wrote below
is how *others* have been getting stars attached.
She begins her rant, gosiping, bitching, venting or whatever women do when they want
let something off their chest with...
"...This has to do with the question we all hear as casting directors."
"Hey, I'm a producer/director and I have a great script. I can get the money but I need names to attach. Can you help?"
Then she goes on saying to other casting directors....
"...I actually got into an argument with a producer the other day because I demanded a producer credit for his $2,500 offer to attach names."
She goes on...
"....Too many times I've heard, "I'll pay you X amount of dollars as soon as the name is attached".
There's more quotes, but I gotta go dancing tonight!
The Starmaker
You people have to understand that I don't make up this stuff. I simply 'observe' the experiences of others
and I convey it to others. It's like a news reporter, he sees what is happening and he reports it.
So if you got a great script, and you want to attach a star to it for whatever reason you might have,
then this is just a path that is open to you, others have taken this road, you can too.
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Here's How To Get Lot's of Stars Attached To Your Project!
> A Starmaker Exclussive!
>
> Find out who the Top Casting Directors are.
> Then approach them and tell them you're a producer or
> director and have a great script. Tell them you got lots
> of money and you need help to attach some star names.
> Offer them double of whatever they make and include a backend deal.
> Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
> $2000 to $3000. Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
> that up!
>
> But don't give them any money. Tell the casting director as soon as a
> name is
> attached, you'll pay them. The minute you got a star attached, fire
> them!!!!
>
> They ain't got no union, wat are they gonna do?
>
The Starmaker
>
> Jesse...@webtv.net (ROBOTIC MONK) wrote:
>
> > Starmaker, don't mind some of these old dudes, they are just used to
> > what they know.
> >
> > I think your are right about how things are really done, because if
> > things were so secure and water tight, we would not have James Cameron,
> > Tarentino, and many other great film people that did not have two
> > nickles to rub together when they started.
>
> Well, that clinches it for me. With Jesse endorsing Starmaker's method, I
> guess there's nothing left for me to do but start hunting up those casting
> directors right now.
Well you better hurry up!
>
> Why didn't any of us think of this before? We've all been blind, I tell
> you, blind!
>
> I'll let you know when I strike it big. But first, I have to wrap up this
> deal I've got going with this guy from Nigeria.
>
> Gene
Skipper
<star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Right. "The Starmaker."
Here's my next movie for you -
Plonk
wcmartell
> Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
> $2000 to $3000. Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
> that up!
Um, most stars will want a firm offer - often their fee in an escrow
account. Got $25 million?
- Bill
Free Script Tips:
http://www.scriptsecrets.net
Robert Morein
[snip]
>
>
> You people have to understand that I don't make up this stuff. I simply
'observe' the experiences of others
> and I convey it to others. It's like a news reporter, he sees what is
happening and he reports it.
>
> So if you got a great script, and you want to attach a star to it for
whatever reason you might have,
> then this is just a path that is open to you, others have taken this road,
you can too.
>
Technically, a "star" is someone whose credit appears above the title. Hence
the meaning, "star".
Most working actors are not stars.
Casting directors do work, inevitably, with some actors who become
prominent.
A casting director chooses which young talent he/she will promote.
A young actor who has a big part on a teen soap may rise rapidly into the
list of working "B" actors.
It would seem logical that some cordial contact remains between the actor
and the casting director who gave the young actor his leg up.
It seems possible that early in such a career, a casting director may be in
a position to refer a project to such an actor. Here, the actor is a "name"
within a small circle, and a recognizable face to a small segment of the
viewing public. However, he is not a star.
Nevertheless, for low budget movies, the attachment of a minor name is a
significant thing, where it comes to convincing investors that the project
is reliable.
nmstevens
> nmstevens wrote:
>
> > It's not "Hey baby,
> > trust me, I'm a big time producer - you don't want the deal, I'll take
> > it to some other casting bitch --"
> >
> > No. It doesn't work that way.
>
>
> Well I'm sorry to say, that *is* the way it works. If you follow my
> simple instructions,
> and she don't want the deal, you tell her I'll take it to someone else!
> Or to put it
> in your words, "to some other casting bitch --"
And when they've all said exactly the same thing -- which they all
will, because, unlike you, none of them are morons, what do you do
then, except go back to your room and try to dredge up some other
cliches from old movies that still won't actually get you a place in
the real world of making movies?
>
> That's how it works! I don't understand why you think otherwise.
When's your movie coming out? When is it going into production?
Because I presume you aren't talking out of your ass and thus have
actually done this.
Actually, of course -- I don't presume any such thing. In fact, I not
only presume that you don't have a movie coming out, nor that you have
a movie going into production, I know that you don't -- unless you're
just a troll pretending to be ignorant.
That's because nobody who knows as little about the business as your
posts demonstrate could actually get anything made.
That's why I know you haven't.
If you claim otherwise, then by all means, point us to the appropriate
listing in Variety.
>
> Maybe, NMS you come from a different world than i do.
Yes. I come from the world where people write scripts, sell them, get
assignments, and, maybe one time in seven, actually see them produced.
That's about how it works in this business. That's "this" Hollywood.
The one I work in. The one I earn my living in.
Clearly, that's a very different world that the one that you live in.
>Maybe you belong to the old Hollywood.
Well, in the last four years, I've sold twelve screenplays. Two of
them have been produced. Within the next two to three months, the
verdict may come in on another two.
And you?
> You seem to know what you're talking about, but your information seems a
> little outdated, or
> it's not keeping up with the times. I'm not into doing things the
> traditional way, which seems
> to be your forte. You sound like a real mench, and I'm sure the way
> things used to be,
> worked out for you. But my post isn't for guys like you. It's not for
> people who are entrenched
> in the old Hollywood ways, or have differculties adapting to changing
> times.
Clearly, you have many difficulties -- but your biggest difficulty --
and the difficulty that a great many wannabes (and that's clearly what
you are) have -- is the difficulty in distinguishing a fantasy
scenario of success from the realities of this business.
> I even posted below a known casting director who is seeking only star
> names for someone who probably
> hired him and your response was:
>
> "Clearly, another schmuck who doesn't know how to get stars attached to
> his movies."
>
> It's obvious, when the truth is put in front of you, you refuse to see
> it.
> When you stick your head in the ground, do you know what is exposed?
>
> I don't have time to teach an old dog new tricks.
And clearly, I don't have time to teach a young pup how to keep from
piddling on the floor.
You posted a completely assinine fantasy about how to get stars
attached to a budgetless project.
As it happens, a project of mine is, at this very moment, at a major
studio, with a budget in the millions, is in the midst of trying to
get stars attached.
You're talking about "casting directors" -- people who don't, under
normal circumstance, ever even deal with stars, somehow "using their
connections" -- to get stars for some script that someone has which, I
can only presume, they haven't even been able to fucking sell --
because if they could sell it, they wouldn't be scrunging around some
casting director trying to get a star attached to make the movie
happen.
I'm telling you that, with a script that essentially everybody who has
read it pretty much loves -- and even with the head of the studio
calling stars personally -- even then, it is a major bitch to get a
fucking movie cast.
Old Hollywood, New Hollywood, whatever fucking age Hollywood it is,
Stars are fucking gods -- 100 million dollars movies rise or fall on
their whims, and they can do whatever the fuck they want -- and
however nice they may be -- they know it.
And anybody who thinks that paying 2500 bucks to a casting director,
or worse yet *promising* 2500 bucks to one is going to get a name star
attached to their unsold, un-set-up screenplay -- is a flat out
fucking moron.
>
> My original post is not for guys like you, or others here who have
> experience to a point where they
> cannot make any waves. My post is for those who have a script, a movie
> idea, for anyone who wants
> to break in fast, with the least amount of money, and has no connection
> inside. Maybe they feel
> if they had a star attached, they can get the financing they need. It's
> called "creative financing".
This "idea" of yours could make waves all right -- in a block of
granite.
>
> It's for the risk takers.
There is absolute no risk associated with the idea that you proposed
-- since there is no possibility of it succeeding.
>
>
> The Starmaker
>
> We live in a different world today. You can now make a movie that the
> whole entire
> 'old Hollywood guard' that runs Hollywood would be totally against and
> still make money. Even 99 percent
> of distributers did not want to distribute it (which doesn't make any
> business sense, it can only mean one thing, ...
> there are a bunch of religious gangsters still trying to run
> Hollywood.), ...
>
>
> The 'old Hollywood guard' has to go!
Everybody wants to try to squeeze some kind of overarching lesson out
of the fact that movies succeed that Hollywood never thought would
succeed.
Well, guess what -- for every "Passion" that succeeds, there are tons
of movies that Hollywood thinks will fall flat -- that obediently do
just that.
It would also behoove us all to remember that this past year was one
of the most profitable in Hollywood history -- so they must be doing
something right.
And anyway - as the old saying goes -- just because they persecuted
Galileo -- doesn't mean that *you're* not a crackpot.
NMS
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
<skipsp...@charter.net> wrote:
>In article <b4357bb6.0404...@posting.google.com>, Deal Maker
><film...@deal-maker.com> wrote:
>
>Who said Duvall's reading the script? I can check this out with a phone
>call. All I need is someone to post the name of the script. Let's see
>if that happens.
Pay attention, Skip. Nobody said Duvall was actually reading a
script.
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
<star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>There is no assumption being made, we're talking CASTING DIRECTORS!!!
Well, Sweetheart, there are CASTING DIRECTORS, and there are casting
directors. Just as there are PRODUCERS and producers. You are
obviously a producer, not a PRODUCER. C'et la vie.
Caroline
The Starmaker
I like the title! Sounds catchy!!
I think kids would love it!!!!
Let me do a search real quick in IMDB, I hope it hasn't already been
taken.
Too late...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069102/
Can you come up with an original title? Let's see if that happens.
The Starmaker
>
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<407C61...@ix.netcom.com>...
>
> > Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
> > $2000 to $3000. Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
> > that up!
>
> Um, most stars will want a firm offer - often their fee in an escrow
> account. Got $25 million?
Stars lose their star power. If you know how to catch a falling star,
you can get them for a pennies.
>
> - Bill
> Free Script Tips:
> http://www.scriptsecrets.net
- Hec
Free Star Tips:
www.AtachAStarSecrets.net
The Starmaker
I went out dancing last night, and you know what the girl did when I
took her home!
She got out of the car (she usually jumps out of the car)
She takes off her jacket and shoes, then
She try to tear off my car radio antenna
She actually tore off my front licence plate
then she try to break my car windows with her hand
and i don't even know why!
I told her, "You didn't have anything to drink, you're not stoned, Why
are you acting this way?"
I have so much fun dancing with her, but when I take her home, SHE GOES
WILD!!!!
The Starmaker
>
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<407F15...@ix.netcom.com>...
> > nmstevens wrote:
> >
> > > It's not "Hey baby,
> > > trust me, I'm a big time producer - you don't want the deal, I'll take
> > > it to some other casting bitch --"
> > >
> > > No. It doesn't work that way.
> >
> >
> > Well I'm sorry to say, that *is* the way it works. If you follow my
> > simple instructions,
> > and she don't want the deal, you tell her I'll take it to someone else!
> > Or to put it
> > in your words, "to some other casting bitch --"
>
> And when they've all said exactly the same thing -- which they all
> will, because, unlike you, none of them are morons,
You know nms, you shouldn't go around telling everyone that all casting directors
are not morons, that is inaccurate, incorrect and untrue. All casting directors
are morons!!!! Everyone knows that. Why would you say something like that when everyone
knows what you are saying is not true. Is your mother a casting director? I don't want to
offend you if you're married to one or have a relative who's a casting director. Have you
ever banged a casting director? I'm getting this feeling your sister is a casting director.
I can feel these things, I got a knack for this stuff...I smell casting director on your shirt.
I have to appologize, I sometimes forget that you guys in Hollywood are in a 'ass kissing world'.
And you have to say things about people that are not true just to get what you want from them.
> what do you do
> then, except go back to your room and try to dredge up some other
> cliches from old movies that still won't actually get you a place in
> the real world of making movies?
We got a governor here in California who got elected for simply using old movie cliches,
Asta La Vista Baby! Did you vote for The Terminator?
>
> >
> > That's how it works! I don't understand why you think otherwise.
>
> When's your movie coming out? When is it going into production?
> Because I presume you aren't talking out of your ass and thus have
> actually done this.
>
> Actually, of course -- I don't presume any such thing. In fact, I not
> only presume that you don't have a movie coming out, nor that you have
> a movie going into production, I know that you don't -- unless you're
> just a troll pretending to be ignorant.
>
> That's because nobody who knows as little about the business as your
> posts demonstrate could actually get anything made.
>
> That's why I know you haven't.
>
> If you claim otherwise, then by all means, point us to the appropriate
> listing in Variety.
Another guy going around collecting resumes! I just posted the other day here that answer your questions:
"I never wrote a script
I never directed or produced anything
I'm not an actor
I don't even know how to make a movie!!!!"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2700605869d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=407ADC82.4C4A%40ix.netcom.com
>
> >
> > Maybe, NMS you come from a different world than i do.
>
> Yes. I come from the world where people write scripts, sell them, get
> assignments, and, maybe one time in seven, actually see them produced.
> That's about how it works in this business. That's "this" Hollywood.
> The one I work in. The one I earn my living in.
Well there are others here that want to do what you do but cannot take the same path you have
taken, for one reason or another. I don't have time to explain to you how the universe works.
The subject title of this thread is just a path of many paths that one can take. That's all it is.
What's all the commotion about?
>
> Clearly, that's a very different world that the one that you live in.
>
> >Maybe you belong to the old Hollywood.
>
> Well, in the last four years, I've sold twelve screenplays. Two of
> them have been produced. Within the next two to three months, the
> verdict may come in on another two.
>
> And you?
I just replaced my rear view mirror last week!!!!
I've got some ideas on how to get a star attached, interested?
This is not a case that They thought it would never succeed, They didn't want It to succeed.
Did you ever bump uglies with a casting director¿
The Starmaker
> C'et la vie.
I love it when she speaks French!
M.C.
The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Wilford Brimley
Dan Aykroyd
Katharine Hepburn
Martin Scorsese
c'est la vie
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
<skipsp...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>Pay attention yourself, to someone other than an anonymous nebbish
>making spurious claims. You'd have more peace of mind if you didn't was
>so much time in typing battles, just a guess.
>
>The "Starmaker" person has never said anything specific, just stirred
>up the anthill, and all the indignant ants are scurrying about
>furiously. The usual Usenet tempest in a stained teacup. I don't
>follow threads so slavishly I keep up with every single little detail,
>perhaps you do. It looked like to me "Starmaker" was claiming Duvall
>was reading this script.
>
>Now that I know there's absolutely no information of value in this
>thread, I'll just kill it.
>
>--
>Skip Press
>http://www.skippress.com
Well, Skip Sweetie Pie, you're the one who stomped out of m.w.s
swearing you'd never be seen in these parts again. Then you jump in
in the middle of a thread (I wasn't responding to Starmaker in my
post, but to "Deal Maker," who asked me a direct question). You've
been around usenet long enough to know that just because one person
starts a thread, it doesn't stay focussed on them.
You've also been around usenet long enough to know how to post to all
of the other groups in this cross-posted thread while omitting m.w.s.
So I repeat. Pay attention! This is twice you've on the wrong
tangent.
Caroline
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
Even when she misspells "C'est?" '-)
nmstevens
> nmstevens wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<407F15...@ix.netcom.com>...
> > > nmstevens wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's not "Hey baby,
> > > > trust me, I'm a big time producer - you don't want the deal, I'll take
> > > > it to some other casting bitch --"
> > > >
> > > > No. It doesn't work that way.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well I'm sorry to say, that *is* the way it works. If you follow my
> > > simple instructions,
> > > and she don't want the deal, you tell her I'll take it to someone else!
> > > Or to put it
> > > in your words, "to some other casting bitch --"
> >
> > And when they've all said exactly the same thing -- which they all
> > will, because, unlike you, none of them are morons,
>
> You know nms, you shouldn't go around telling everyone that all casting directors
> are not morons, that is inaccurate, incorrect and untrue. All casting directors
> are morons!!!! Everyone knows that. Why would you say something like that when everyone
> knows what you are saying is not true. Is your mother a casting director? I don't want to
> offend you if you're married to one or have a relative who's a casting director. Have you
> ever banged a casting director? I'm getting this feeling your sister is a casting director.
> I can feel these things, I got a knack for this stuff...I smell casting director on your shirt.
>
> I have to appologize, I sometimes forget that you guys in Hollywood are in a 'ass kissing world'.
> And you have to say things about people that are not true just to get what you want from them.
No, fuckhead, I have no particular personal relationship with any
casting director. I've met a few. I simply note that, unlike you,
someone who actually makes a living in this business knows certain
things.
Like, for instance, they can tell a brainless fuckhead when one calls
them on the phone, the same way we can tell a brainless fuckhead when
one posts here.
>
>
>
>
> > what do you do
> > then, except go back to your room and try to dredge up some other
> > cliches from old movies that still won't actually get you a place in
> > the real world of making movies?
>
> We got a governor here in California who got elected for simply using old movie cliches,
> Asta La Vista Baby! Did you vote for The Terminator?
I don't live in California. I live in New York. I do my work long
distance.
What do you do for a living, alternate begging from mommy and jerking
off into a sweat sock?
>
> >
> > >
> > > That's how it works! I don't understand why you think otherwise.
> >
> > When's your movie coming out? When is it going into production?
> > Because I presume you aren't talking out of your ass and thus have
> > actually done this.
> >
> > Actually, of course -- I don't presume any such thing. In fact, I not
> > only presume that you don't have a movie coming out, nor that you have
> > a movie going into production, I know that you don't -- unless you're
> > just a troll pretending to be ignorant.
> >
> > That's because nobody who knows as little about the business as your
> > posts demonstrate could actually get anything made.
> >
> > That's why I know you haven't.
> >
> > If you claim otherwise, then by all means, point us to the appropriate
> > listing in Variety.
>
> Another guy going around collecting resumes! I just posted the other day here that answer your questions:
>
>
> "I never wrote a script
> I never directed or produced anything
> I'm not an actor
> I don't even know how to make a movie!!!!"
Of course not -- I wasn't asking you to post your resume, moron. I
wasn't suggesting that you had any professional experience. It's
perfectly obvious that you have none, that you have no experience
whatever in this business, that you know absolutely nothing about it,
and that you are in no position to give anybody any advice about it.
You rant on about casting directors when it's clear that you know
absolutely nothing about casting directors, never met one, never had
any professional experience with one, never called one on the phone,
know nothing at all about them except maybe some scraps of
misinformation that you picked up in your confused meanderings on
line.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Maybe, NMS you come from a different world than i do.
> >
> > Yes. I come from the world where people write scripts, sell them, get
> > assignments, and, maybe one time in seven, actually see them produced.
> > That's about how it works in this business. That's "this" Hollywood.
> > The one I work in. The one I earn my living in.
>
> Well there are others here that want to do what you do but cannot take the same path you have
> taken, for one reason or another. I don't have time to explain to you how the universe works.
The universe? You brainless puff of air -- what are now, a nuclear
physicist? You don't even know how one small corner of the
entertainment industry works -- now you're going to explain the
cosmos?
>
> The subject title of this thread is just a path of many paths that one can take. That's all it is.
> What's all the commotion about?
There are many paths that one can take if, for instance, you want to
get from New York to L.A. -- but going South is a bad one.
Now those of us who have experience in this business understand that
you're simply a fuck-headed troll who's simply screwing around with
other people's lives because he had no fucking life of his own.
But there's always the possibility that somebody who doesn't recognize
you for the idiot that you are may actually try something as stupid as
you suggest -- at best, waste his time -- but also potentially hurt
the chances of successfully promoting his work.
>
>
>
> >
> > Clearly, that's a very different world that the one that you live in.
> >
> > >Maybe you belong to the old Hollywood.
> >
> > Well, in the last four years, I've sold twelve screenplays. Two of
> > them have been produced. Within the next two to three months, the
> > verdict may come in on another two.
> >
> > And you?
>
> I just replaced my rear view mirror last week!!!!
Oh, come on. You actually expect me to believe that you have the
ability to replace a rear view mirror?
That's gotta be the biggest fucking canard you've told so far.
I've got some ideas on how to perform brain surgery and I'm looking
for somebody to try it out on. Of course, I've never done it, but I've
looked at some pictures of an exposed brain on line, and read some
articles about some guy who claimed to have performed it once -- pick
up some scalpels and a bone saw and drop on by. I'm sure it'll work
out fine -- at least for one of us. Interested?
Oh, yeah, right. The Jews. The Jews in Hollywood. They didn't want it
to succeed. Right -- like those Jewish gangsters that, according to
you, nobody believed in -- because, of course, nobody ever fucking
heard of, say Bugsy *Siegel* or Louis *Lepke* or Meyer Lansky? Yeah,
the Jews have really kept that under wraps.
>
> Did you ever bump uglies with a casting director¿
It's called "having sex" Starmaker. And maybe one day, if you ever
grow up, learn about personal hygiene and how to actually talk to
people face to face -- you may have it too.
NMS
Robert Morein
> wcmartell wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:<407C61...@ix.netcom.com>...
> >
> > > Just ask them what's the going rate to attach a star, usually around
> > > $2000 to $3000. Throw in a Producing credit in the film, they'll eat
> > > that up!
> >
> > Um, most stars will want a firm offer - often their fee in an escrow
> > account. Got $25 million?
>
> Stars lose their star power. If you know how to catch a falling star,
> you can get them for a pennies.
>
Change "falling" to "fallen" and you're on the money.
Ron
"Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)"
<otto....@keepyourviruses-sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Well, Skip Sweetie Pie, you're the one who stomped out of m.w.s
> swearing you'd never be seen in these parts again. Then you jump in
> in the middle of a thread (I wasn't responding to Starmaker in my
> post, but to "Deal Maker," who asked me a direct question). You've
> been around usenet long enough to know that just because one person
> starts a thread, it doesn't stay focussed on them.
Yeah. There's this thing called figured out the context before you
respond.
It comes in handy sometimes.
-Ron
The Starmaker
seven drawfs,
I forgot the name but I know it's the grumpy one.
You sound grumpy, are you aware of that?
The Starmaker
>
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:38:10 GMT, The Starmaker
> <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen) wrote:
> >
> >> C'et la vie.
> >
> >I love it when she speaks French!
>
> Even when she misspells "C'est?" '-)
The hottest chicks are the ones who cannot spel corectly.
What does Otto Mation stand for?
The Starmaker
"...Maybe, if you'll get lucky, ..they offer...some sort of backend
deal."
"...I actually got into an argument with a producer the other day
because I demanded a producer credit for his $2,500 offer to attach
names. His response was "Well, you're not producing anything? I'm the
one who has to do all the hard work". After I jammed several Triptophane
down my throat to keep me from strangling his, I replied, "yes, but if
not for me YOU WOULDN'T HAVE a movie". He decided to "try someone else".
...............
Now I already told you guys, give her a backend deal, she gonna expect
around $2,500 and some producing credit...
I just didn't want her getting into an argument with you. You know what
they want or expect, now go do your
thing and get your movie made.
I expect by Monday that all the casting directors phones to be ringing
all day.
They *might* try other stuff, like "dumping"... you know what I mean?
Like if you want to show a hit movie in your theater, you have to also
agree to show bombs.
Like in the fashion business, you buy some nice dresses, they expect you
to buy their ugly dresses.
They might not even ask you, they might just 'dump' it on you.
Like if you want Tom Hanks, you have to take other lesser names that you
don't want with it.
Maybe they all come from the same agency or something. (You guys don't
know what kind of
relationship is going on between agents and casting directors. You don't
know Who's Banging Who?
But do some research yourself on Who's Banging Who. See if you can
figure out by looking
through databases, like Players Directory, etc, which agents and which
casting directors
and which stars seem to be working together. For example, if it turn out
that star you're interested
in, his Agent, is or seems to be working with one particular casting
director, then she's the one
to approach to get the star you want attached. She's the one with the
Vagina. The Agent
will do *anything* she ask! In the end, the Vagina wins! I hate to put
it this way cause you guys will
accuse me of being a troll but the fact is, I don't respond to your
other threads, just mines.
It's you guys that fill my threads with insane nonsense and
misinformation. I'm just trying to
be a productive cyberspace starmaker. To create stars, through
cyberspace. Just filling my mission.)
The reason why others are having differculties getting the Stars they
want is because
there is a supply and demand problem. There isn't enough Stars to go
around. That is why
they try to charge more and add extra cost, because of the supply and
demand problem.
There is a shortage of Stars.
So the purpose of my post is to get you guys to get more product out
there.
More movies made, the more Stars that are created, the less they will
cost and the more availability there will be.
I'm just helping actors get more work, create more stars, and that can
only happen
if you guys get your product out there faster.
Now where can I download The Passion, I didn't see the movie yet?
The Starmaker
Now I gotta go help Madonna, she's got problems with her singing career
and I got
a Plan that will put her back on Top Of The Charts!!!!
Developing...
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
<star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>What does Otto Mation stand for?
"Automation," of course! It's my computer's name.
The Starmaker
"So if you should come across (you will, believe me, you will) a
producer with a great script but has to attach a name,
not only ask for a producer credit (co-producer if they're not in a
budging mood), but get your fee UP FRONT."
Don't give her any money UP FRONT, bang her instead, or give her a hard
time when she
starts asking for a producer credit. Let her shove Triptophane down her
throat and choke to death.
Don't give in to these bitches.
I don't know how many of these chicks got the memo, ....
But don't be like these other's here, ...they claim to have a great
script but they
need a mega-star to move it. That doesn't sound like a great script to
me.
When I think of making movies, I don't think of stars, I think of what
gets people out
of their homes and into theaters. You want them out in droves. Stars
cannot do that.
Stars are just movie pushers.
Most of yous are better off cause you really got a great scripts, just
convince those guys your
script is soo great, it doesn't need megastars to push it.
Just contact the casting director and let her help you attach any name
she can get.
The fact is, most films, the majority of hit films don't even contain
stars!
Ain't you guys interested in hits? What is your problem? Doesn't anybody
care?
I want something *worth* downloading!
I don't think you guys understand what makes a movie a hit.
It's what gets people out in droves. Think Droves!
The Passion was a surprise to everyone because it got Droves.
The Starmaker
>
> "...I actually got into an argument with a producer the other day
> because I demanded a producer credit for his $2,500 offer to attach
> names. His response was "Well, you're not producing anything? I'm the
> one who has to do all the hard work". After I jammed several Triptophane
> down my throat to keep me from strangling his, I replied, "yes, but if
> not for me YOU WOULDN'T HAVE a movie". He decided to "try someone else".
According to this casting director, you give her $2,500 and a producer
credit, you got yourself a movie!
I don't get it, what the hell is a producer credit anyway?
I think seen some movies where the producer credits was longer than the
cast!!!!
And why does she want with a producer credit anyway, I don't understand
that.
Is it just the words on a screen or is there money attached to it?
I don't profess to know everything, what I don't know, I don't know.
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
<star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>And why does she want with a producer credit anyway, I don't understand
>that.
>
>Is it just the words on a screen or is there money attached to it?
>
>I don't profess to know everything, what I don't know, I don't know.
Thanks for your honesty, but you didn't have to tell us. Some things
are just blatantly obvious. The fact that you don't know what you're
talking about is one of those things.
Yes. A producer credit means money. What? You think producers work
for free? Ha! She's probably talking about an Associate Producer
credit, which in movies, can mean anything from "I wanna slip some
money to Aunt Harriet" to "Hey, this guy did some valuable work."
Caroline
The Starmaker
>
So Caroline, what do you imagine the reason is why the producer decided
to take his business elsewhere?
Was the price to high, or do you think he felt he was being subjected to
extortion?
The Starmaker
"Should we just go back to pulling files from a cabinet?"
I think these casting directors are doing pretty good,
from pulling files from a cabinet to putting the squeeze on you.
I still dumbfounded that these file clerks are casting actors for your
films,
or that actors allow themsleves to be cast by them! They get college
degrees in Theater
and they end up auditioning in front of a file clerks. I don't get it.
They are, and continue to go from pulling files from a cabinet, to
charging actors
auditioning fees, attach star fees and demanding producers fees and
other backend deals from you guys.
And they're just dizzy chicks!!!!
And you guys allow it because you don't know what else to do?!?
The Starmaker
Judging by the way the world is, I know sooner or later these file
clerks are going to want an Oscar!
What would the acceptance speech be like?
Otto Mation (Caroline Freisen)
<star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Not being the producer, I simply can't imagine. There are lots of
reasons why people make the decisions they do.
Caroline
The Starmaker
I'm very disappointed in you Caroline. You cannot imagine? Unable to
conceive??
A woman with your intelligence and stature with the word "can't" in her
vocabulary,
...THAT troubles me!! I had a lot of hopes for you. Now I have to
re-think this whole
show biz thing.
I thought you were a great candidate for my new production company,
Kosher Nostra Productions,
but I refuse to have people around me that have the word 'can't' in
their vocabulary.
Caroline, you're fired! (..that was a tough one.)
The Starmaker
I'll give you another chance Caroline, if you can prove to me that
you're
not a female Woody Allen that others say that you are, I'll reconsider.
The Starmaker
>
> Here's another quote I was surprised to find from the same person:
>
> "Should we just go back to pulling files from a cabinet?"
>
> I think these casting directors are doing pretty good,
> from pulling files from a cabinet to putting the squeeze on you.
>
> I still dumbfounded that these file clerks are casting actors for your
> films,
> or that actors allow themsleves to be cast by them! They get college
> degrees in Theater
> and they end up auditioning in front of a file clerks. I don't get it.
>
> They are, and continue to go from pulling files from a cabinet, to
> charging actors
> auditioning fees, attach star fees and demanding producers fees and
> other backend deals from you guys.
> And they're just dizzy chicks!!!!
>
> And you guys allow it because you don't know what else to do?!?
>
> The Starmaker
>
> Judging by the way the world is, I know sooner or later these file
> clerks are going to want an Oscar!
>
> What would the acceptance speech be like?
"I would like to thank my producer, but if it wasn't for me HE WOULDN'T
HAVE a movie!!!"
The Starmaker
"Then, and this is the fun part, they offer you Paid Ad's (oooh, pinch
me), and about 1/100th of what you usually make (if that)..."
traveler
I have known casting directors who go out of their way to help
> indie film makers.
> One of the problems I see with the approach you give above is that it would
> appear to be insincere. All these people have extremely refined bullshit
> detectors.
Wow, when you come through the door, they must be going off all over the place.
Joe
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