Porta Brace, Kata or Petrol ?
Simon
collection of gear I seem to carry around with me. I would love to
hear some feedback from people who have tried the different models out
there. I need a good size bag for lots of run and gun type stuff. I
like the Audio Organizer from Porta Brace, but I was wondering if
anyone has any opinions about the Kata and Petrol stuff.
BTW: no matter which bag I get, I've already decided i'll be carrying
it with a Versa Flex harness. It is simply the most comfortable
harness i've tried.
Steve Ravich
"Simon" <simon...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> BTW: no matter which bag I get, I've already decided i'll be carrying
> it with a Versa Flex harness. It is simply the most comfortable
> harness i've tried.
Hi Simon,
I need a new harness. Can you post a link for Versaflex??
Thanks
Steve Ravich
Sound Recordist
Sydney, Australia
Oleg Kaizerman
or going out,under mixer pillow for right height,double flour for cables
that you can take it out,external pocket for extra staff.
The Eargonixer can except mixer,dat(hhb) 2 np-1,6 tx-rx,
or mixer(any mixer) + sub mixer(Wendt X2or SD mixer pre)+8-10 tx rx +2
np-1( or midium brick),and other things like small dat or minidisk
no Porta Brace that comming closer to flexibility of this one.
Oleg.Kaizerman(gebe) Hollyland .
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vinod subramanian
which ones will work for you. :-)
http://www.trewaudio.com/versaflex_harness.htm
http://www.trewaudio.com/feat_item.htm
http://www.kinesisgear.com (lopok under Belts for harnesses - low down
on page)
http://www.lowepro.com/pages/series/acesory/backharn.htm
-vin
James Demer
they are time consuming to put on and difficult with clothes changes
i.e. going from t shirt to jacket. I have been experimenting with a
marching drum style shoulder hook system. I have the aluminum hooks
attatched to a lightweight, hand laid kevlar box. It is rigid, so I
drilled and tapped an aluminun plate and mounted it under the box,
then I attatched a tripod quick release to the plate. Now when I am
standing in one spot for a while I just pop my whole kit onto a
tripod. The shoulder hooks quickly unbolt so the whole thing packs
away quite small. I carry an AD261 mixer, 3 Lectro 210's, an aspen
battery, a remote audio splitter, 2 senheiser transmitters (wireless
to camera) and Lectro IFB reciever all with relative comfort. I know
it sounds wacky, but after a year of fooling with it I've gotten it to
work. OH, I also mounted a cup holder on the box for those tripod
moments.
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Jason Porter
-Jason
Philip Perkins
> The Harness idea is comfortable especially with a lot of weight, but
> they are time consuming to put on and difficult with clothes changes
> i.e. going from t shirt to jacket. I have been experimenting with a
> marching drum style shoulder hook system. I have the aluminum hooks
> attatched to a lightweight, hand laid kevlar box. It is rigid, so I
> drilled and tapped an aluminun plate and mounted it under the box,
> then I attatched a tripod quick release to the plate. Now when I am
> standing in one spot for a while I just pop my whole kit onto a
> tripod. The shoulder hooks quickly unbolt so the whole thing packs
> away quite small. I carry an AD261 mixer, 3 Lectro 210's, an aspen
> battery, a remote audio splitter, 2 senheiser transmitters (wireless
> to camera) and Lectro IFB reciever all with relative comfort. I know
> it sounds wacky, but after a year of fooling with it I've gotten it to
> work. OH, I also mounted a cup holder on the box for those tripod
> moments.
>
How did you make the Kevlar box? Thickness? Do you have a lid or
some other rain cover for the rig? How big is this box anyway?
Nice touch, the tripod quick-release.
Philip Perkins
Noah Timan
> they are time consuming to put on and difficult with clothes changes
> i.e. going from t shirt to jacket.
This is a good point -- while I find the Versaflex infinitely more
comfortable and efficient at weight distribution than any sort of
shoulder strap or other harness, you can't just pick up your bag and
run with it. It takes about forty seconds to fully buckle in, and
while that isn't really all that much time, it isn't good when you're
caught by surprise and also need to run, power up, connect to camera,
blah blah blah. What it means is that while it's more comfortable, I
end up wearing my gear for longer periods than I would with a strap,
since I tend to just stay buckled in and set up if no one knows what's
going to happen next or how long things are going to take. This being
said, however, I _still_ prefer the comfortable harness that makes the
gear easy to carry for a longer period than the uncomfortable one,
even if I get to put my bag down more often with the uncomfortable
one.
What and how much stuff is in the bag also plays a part. I could wear
a Versaflex with two wires and a mixer all day long without ever
having to take it off or feel fatigued -- not something I could ever
do with another rig. It's when there are six Rxs, two Txs, IFB Tx,
backup DAT, NP1, distro, spare stock, spare 9Vs, and all the rest that
one begins to ponder.
I have been experimenting with a
> marching drum style shoulder hook system. I have the aluminum hooks
> attatched to a lightweight, hand laid kevlar box. It is rigid, so I
> drilled and tapped an aluminun plate and mounted it under the box,
> then I attatched a tripod quick release to the plate. Now when I am
> standing in one spot for a while I just pop my whole kit onto a
> tripod. The shoulder hooks quickly unbolt so the whole thing packs
> away quite small. I carry an AD261 mixer, 3 Lectro 210's, an aspen
> battery, a remote audio splitter, 2 senheiser transmitters (wireless
> to camera) and Lectro IFB reciever all with relative comfort. I know
> it sounds wacky, but after a year of fooling with it I've gotten it to
> work. OH, I also mounted a cup holder on the box for those tripod
> moments.
If possible, send us a link to some photos of your setup. Thanks!
Regards,
Noah Timan
(working email is noahtiman at earthlinkdotttnet)
Charles Tomaras
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I've got one other problem with most harnesses and straps.....the color.
Seems they are always black. When you get a bunch of weight on it in
prolonged direct sunlight those suckers heat up enough to cause pain and
discomfort to me. More so when I was using an REI chest harness but I still
get a bit hot with the Versaflex. If I buy another one I'm going to see if I
can custom order it in grey or white.
Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA
Eric Toline
Re: Porta Brace, Kata or Petrol ?
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Sun, Jul 27, 2003, 8:16pm
(EDT-3) From: this_i...@yahoo.com (Noah Timan)
I carry an AD261 mixer, 3 Lectro 210's, an aspen battery, a remote
audio splitter, 2 senheiser transmitters (wireless to camera) and Lectro
IFB reciever all with relative comfort.
It's when there are six Rxs, two Txs, IFB Tx, backup DAT, NP1, distro,
spare stock, spare 9Vs, and all the rest that one begins to ponder.
Regards,
Noah Timan
==================================
You've got to be kidding. Are you soundmen or beasts of burden?
Eric
James Demer
> Re: Porta Brace, Kata or Petrol ?
>
> Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Sun, Jul 27, 2003, 8:16pm
> I carry an AD261 mixer, 3 Lectro 210's, an aspen battery, a remote
> audio splitter, 2 senheiser transmitters (wireless to camera) and Lectro
> IFB reciever all with relative comfort.
>
> It's when there are six Rxs, two Txs, IFB Tx, backup DAT, NP1, distro,
> spare stock, spare 9Vs, and all the rest that one begins to ponder.
>
> Regards,
> Noah Timan
> =========================
> =========
> You've got to be kidding. Are you soundmen or beasts of burden?
>
> Eric
Yes, I feel like an ox at times, but it beats having a betacam on your
shoulder for 7 hours a day. I think?
Someone asked more about the kevlar box. I found a cardboard box that
all my stuff fit in, covered it with clear packing tape, and laid up 5
or so layers of kevlar/west system epoxy. When dry I removed the
cardboard box. I drilled holes for the shoulder hooks and attatch them
with bolts and wingnuts. I'll try to take pictures and post them Noah.
I think the hook idea could be used with an existing bag if you could
figure out a mounting system. I have no custom rain cover yet, but I
mounted a bobber so when the box is on the tripod I can attatch my
boompole.
James
Oleg Kaizerman
black condoms;-))
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland still living in the 80is
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> "Noah Timan" <this_i...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > demer...@hotmail.com (James Demer) wrote in message
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> > > The Harness idea is comfortable especially with a lot of weight, but
> > > they are time consuming to put on and difficult with clothes changes
> > > i.e. going from t shirt to jacket.
Eric Toline
Re: Porta Brace, Kata or Petrol ?
(EDT+6) From: kai...@netvision.net.il (Oleg Kaizerman)
This is for good looking,the black make you thin ( that's why there is
no black condoms;-))<<<<
now that's funny!!
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland still living in the 80's<<<<<<<<<
which century are we talking about here?
Eric
Jason Porter
What about running a coolant through the straps? "Personal Radiant Cooling"
Check these out...
www.safetycentral.com/arblasperpor.html
www.climatechsafety.com/climatech.asp
www.texascoolvest.com/index2.html
May be one of these could be re-configured.... Really.
-Jason
Oleg Kaizerman
the physics will work or the 3rd world citizen will carry your bag.
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland waiting to record on the moon
Noah Timan
> I've got one other problem with most harnesses and straps.....the color.
> Seems they are always black. When you get a bunch of weight on it in
> prolonged direct sunlight those suckers heat up enough to cause pain and
> discomfort to me.
Yeah, right, like you ever get prolonged direct sunlight in Seattle! ;-7 (vbg)
nvt
Noah Timan
> You've got to be kidding. Are you soundmen or beasts of burden?
Sadly, these, as often as not, are the job requirements for bag jobs
these days. You can't feed multiple cameras with a bunch of breakaway
snakes...there's too many of them and they're going in too many
different directions, and sometimes covering too much distance.
Thankfully, wires aren't particularly heavy, but it all adds up. The
last bag job I had, I had to feed two principal cameras with two full
tracks each, five other cameras with one (scratch-ish) track each,
IFBs for producers and off/c talent, wires for on/c talent, and had to
run around and play cop to buss them all around and make sure people's
track ended up on the right camera that corresponded to their image,
no matter how many times cameras lurched and played tag team with the
talent. The old standby ENG package of a small mixer, a 416 on a
stick, two wires, a pair of cans, and a 25 foot ENG breakaway cable
does not accomplish this job. (I'm not even sure I fully accomplished
it with the giant bag I had!) And this is hardly the most complicated
that it gets.
When I first started doing video-jobs-in-a-bag, they were much
simpler, but those were before the days when you could buy as many
good-(enough)-for-broadcast cameras for $3K as you wanted --the $60+K
they cost at the time prevented this and consequently made our lives
easier. I don't remember having five or ten Beta SP cameras on set on
a typical ENG-style shoot ten years ago. Consequently, you didn't
have to provide feeds for all those cameras or provide audio for every
person all those cameras are shooting.
OTOH, I am not *that* much more fatigued with the extra gear when it
is balanced by the additional comfort of the versaflex than I was with
the old-school ENG bag, without that balance and a strap with weight
on it digging into my collarbone.
Charles Tomaras
Seattle has the highest sales of sunglasses per capita in the US. Highest
number of boat owners per capita. Highest sales of tanning products per
capita. Believe it, or not!
Eric Toline
Re: Porta Brace, Kata or Petrol ?
Hey Charlies problem is that it rains so much in Seattle that he's
rusting.
Eric
Kurt Albershardt
>
> Seattle has the highest sales of sunglasses per capita in the US. Highest
> number of boat owners per capita. Highest sales of tanning products per
> capita. Believe it, or not!
Try northern Nevada--sunniest spot in the US. We average 315 days a
year of sunshine.
Ray Collins
driest on record and the month isn't over)...it is hot, dry, and August
is usually drier. We usually keep the summers a secret or you would all
move here. ;-))
Ray
Noah Timan
>. I'll try to take pictures and post them Noah.
Thanks...it's always good to see people's unconventional approaches to
usual problems, and I personally feel it's something that can benefit
us all in one way or another. But don't worry about it if it's not
easy to do, no big deal.
nvt
Charles Tomaras
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Eric
You get more inches of sweat in Florida than we get rain in a year. Do you
even bother with a towel after showering?
Eric Toline
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(EDT-3) From: tom...@comcast.net (Charles Tomaras)
Seattle has the highest sales of sunglasses per capita in the
US.<<<<<<<<
That's because everyone is getting ready for the day the sun comes out
so they don't go blind.
Highest number of boat owners per capita.<<<<
and they use them to go to work on the water logged roads.
Highest sales of tanning products per capita.<<<<
They need to peotect themselves on the day the sun does finally come
out.
Believe it, or not! <<<<<<<<<<<<,
Nice try though.
Eric
Eric Toline
Re: Porta Brace, Kata or Petrol ?
(EDT-3) From: ku...@nv.net (Kurt Albershardt)
Try northern Nevada--sunniest spot in the US. We average 315 days a year
of sunshine.<<<<
but at what temperatures?
Eric
Eric Toline
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Re: Porta Brace, Kata or Petrol ?
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Mon, Jul 28, 2003, 5:42pm
(EDT-3) From: this_i...@yahoo.com (Noah Timan) "Charles Tomaras"
<tom...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Ek-
rusting.
Eric
You get more inches of sweat in Florida than we get rain in a year. Do
you even bother with a towel after showering?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Showering? nah, just a cool refreshing dip in the ocean (all year
round).;-)))
Eric
Charles Tomaras
Eric
Eric...take a look at the rain totals for your city and compare them to
Seattle:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/gyx/climo/nrmlprcp.html
Eric Toline
Re: Porta Brace, Kata or Petrol ?
(EDT-3) From: tom...@comcast.net (Charles Tomaras)
Eric...take a look at the rain totals for your city and compare them to
Seattle:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/gyx/climo/nrmlprcp.html<<<<<<<<<<<
who can read that small type? besides we get the good warm, nourishing,
rain; not that cold bone chilling, mind numbing, metal rusting stuff
that you get.
et
Kurt Albershardt
>
>
>> Try northern Nevada--sunniest spot in the US. We average 315 days a year
>> of sunshine.
>
> but at what temperatures?
Depends on the time of year, of course:\
Summer highs are in the 80s and 90s mostly, with humidity only 15-30%.
Nights are typically 40 and sometimes 50 or more degrees below the
daytime high.
Winters are mild, with lows rarely below 20. Again, 40+ degree
night/day differentials are normal. Bright, sunny, 40-50 degrees and
dry is a beautiful daytime.
About the best weather for passive solar construction one can imagine.