long boom
Lars Farm
expertise might be able to solve my problem.
What would be your recommendation for a long, strong and affordable boom
pole. The longer the better. LIght, strong, but not necessarily super
light. Not for lifting by hand, but rather mounting on a manfrotto stand
(for instance the A410). It will hold a weight of <1kg including mics +
mounts at it's end.
I record organ. The kind you find in churches. Often placed at the rear
wall. Often with a loft or balcony that can hold a tall stand. The
balcony often leaves to little distance to the facade of the instrument.
In a concert this is preferable to a tall stand on the floor of the
church that the audience can trip over... In some places I've used a
home made boom (3m incl counterweight) pointing out in the room from the
balcony and that works, but I want further out. It doesn't have to be
super light since a stand will hold it. Not me. Aluminum is OK. It ought
to be long. Cables not needed. They can be on the outside.
best regards
Lars
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http://www.firstsense.co.uk/Ambient/jumbo.htm
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Charles Tomaras
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I believe Ambient makes some 12 meter poles with hardware for your
application. See "jumbo poles" at:
http://www.ambientaudio.com/products/booms.html
Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA
Ty Ford
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I use a 16 ft carbon fiber K-tek.
Ty Ford
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Lars Farm
> Lars Farm wrote:
>> I record organ. The kind you find in churches. Often placed at the
rear [...]
> I use a 16 ft carbon fiber K-tek.
and others suggest Ambient Jumbo poles.
Thank you!
Both are seriously expenisive suggestions. A tall stand on the floor
i.e. Manfrotto 269 for ca 150€ reaching 7,5m up 10 with an extension.
The suggested boom poles land around 600-700€. I figure this might be
due to exotic material and requirements for extreme lightness. Any less
esoteric materials with less painful prices? If the weight goes up 1kg
doesn't really matter.
Peter
painters pole. I made some painters pole to 3/8" adapters, but you d
just use a clamp omn the end. The only drawback is the painters poles
are only one fly section so they are slightly harder to store or
transport.
Lars Farm
Painters pole 5+ m? I guess they're out. I'll look up LTM aluminum
poles. Thanks!
L
Peter
for $40.
Ty Ford
(in article <1hdwcl9.850jin10h71q6N%see.bottom.of...@farm.se>):
> Ty Ford <tyre...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Lars Farm wrote:
>>> I record organ. The kind you find in churches. Often placed at the
> rear [...]
>
>> I use a 16 ft carbon fiber K-tek.
>
> and others suggest Ambient Jumbo poles.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Both are seriously expenisive suggestions. A tall stand on the floor
> i.e. Manfrotto 269 for ca 150¤ reaching 7,5m up 10 with an extension.
> The suggested boom poles land around 600-700¤. I figure this might be
> due to exotic material and requirements for extreme lightness. Any less
> esoteric materials with less painful prices? If the weight goes up 1kg
> doesn't really matter.
>
> best regards
> Lars
OK, go on down to the cheap bastard fishing store and buy a .49 fishing rod.
Then hang around back of an high school gym until they toss the trash out and
go dumpster diving for used jock straps from which to fashion a suspension
mount.
This is ramps. Was the original poster looking for low ball solutions?
Charles Tomaras
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if you want some possible more affordable solutions.
I have 2 SB96+ stands and while they don't have a 16 ft
they have served me on many occasions.
I bought them many many years ago and they are still just fine.
I looked real quick and the goin price still seems to be around $80
Just an option.
Chris Ripper
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Martin Harrington
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Lars Farm
> go dumpster diving for used jock straps from which to fashion a suspension
> mount.
>
> This is ramps. Was the original poster looking for low ball solutions?
English is a foreign language. I don't understand what you mean by
"ramps". Please explain. Jockstrap?
I am the OP. No, I was not looking for a low ball solution, but I'm not
insensitive to price either. Neither was I looking for a way to hang
mics from the roof. The roof is often 15m up or more and quite
inaccessible.
Please take a look at three different examples of the rooms I'm talking
about:
http://www.farm.se/wps/wp-content/mitt/orgel050904.jpg
http://www.farm.se/bild/20060402_liden/pictures/slide15.jpg
http://www.farm.se/bild/20050312_markus/pictures/slide8.jpg
I have and use a Manfrotto stand that with an extension reaches 10m
(33') up. Quite sufficient as far as placing mics go. During concerts
this stand is suboptimal because (1) its ugly as sin (2) its long legs
is something for the audience to trip over (3) It draws attention from
the performance. In a concert situation I'd rather use a stand on the
balcony and a long boom. I was just hoping that such a boom wouldn't
have to cost four times as much as the solution I already have...
Lars Farm
> What about a long, extendable painters pole?
Will it hold? Will it be strong enough? The last thing I want is a
spectacularly expensive crash... Possibly on someones head. Mics + mount
(I used two pairs on the latest recording, AB + Blumlein simultaneoslly
= 4 mics + 60cm bar + a stereomount) could reach 1-1,5kg + cable. 4-5m
out that is a significant tourqe at the pivot point on the stand. There
will need to be a matching counterweight on the other side.
L
Steve King
> Martin Harrington <len...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> What about a long, extendable painters pole?
>
> Will it hold? Will it be strong enough? The last thing I want is a
> spectacularly expensive crash... Possibly on someones head.
> Mics + mount
> (I used two pairs on the latest recording, AB + Blumlein simultaneoslly
> = 4 mics + 60cm bar + a stereomount) could reach 1-1,5kg + cable. 4-5m
> out that is a significant tourqe at the pivot point on the stand.
At the price of painter's poles I'd think it would be worth a try. After
all painters put a roller loaded with paint on the end, then apply pressure
to achieve even coverage. When you do try it, you may be the first person
to do so. Then, tell us about it.
> There
> will need to be a matching counterweight on the other side.
Steve King
Martin Harrington
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Paul Graff
words)
rec.arts.motion.picture.sound. (the name of this newsgroup.)
jockstrap is worn by men during athletic pursuits. Also called a
suspensory, I believe, hence its relevence as a cost-effective
isolation mount. Charles's hilarious response brought new meaning to a
popular American slang term:
lowball |ˈlōˌbôl| adjective informal (of an estimate, bid, etc.)
deceptively or unrealistically low.
verb [ trans. ] offer a deceptively or unrealistically low estimate,
bid, etc. : "are you being lowballed by someone who hopes to make money
on extras later?"
John Blankenship
John Blankenship
hillma...@hotmail.com
shouldn't be too hard to counterbalance? But at a reasonable price?
Do you know what I paid a hooker for that at the last NAB?
Chris Price
Ambient makes a very long boom for organ music recording, the QP Jumbos .
We sell alot of them world wide. it uses the Manfrotto stand. there are two
versions. 9 meters and 12 meters. have a look at the boom broschure on our
website www.ambient,.de. There are alot of accessories to help you support
the microphone when the pole is vertical etc ( mike link). The pole is
affordable and is full carbon fibre with a slotted tube at one end and
slotted tip so that you can put a multicore up the middle of the tube
all the best
Chris Price
Lars wrote
Ty Ford
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you slackard!
Ty
Ty Ford
(in article <1hdxqa2.d3ftdvh3nd8gN%see.bottom.of...@farm.se>):
> Ty Ford <tyre...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> go dumpster diving for used jock straps from which to fashion a suspension
>> mount.
>>
>> This is ramps. Was the original poster looking for low ball solutions?
>
> English is a foreign language. I don't understand what you mean by
> "ramps". Please explain. Jockstrap?
ramps= rec.arts.movies.production.sound
Damn Lars, who knew? You write better english than 50% of the people in this
group. A jock strap is an elastic harness boys and men wear to support their
genitals when engaged in sporting events.
> I am the OP. No, I was not looking for a low ball solution, but I'm not
> insensitive to price either. Neither was I looking for a way to hang
> mics from the roof. The roof is often 15m up or more and quite
> inaccessible.
>
> Please take a look at three different examples of the rooms I'm talking
> about:
> http://www.farm.se/bild/20050312_markus/pictures/slide8.jpg
> http://www.farm.se/bild/20060402_liden/pictures/slide15.jpg
> http://www.farm.se/bild/20050312_markus/pictures/slide8.jpg
hmmm any choir boys
>
> I have and use a Manfrotto stand that with an extension reaches 10m
> (33') up. Quite sufficient as far as placing mics go. During concerts
> this stand is suboptimal because (1) its ugly as sin (2) its long legs
> is something for the audience to trip over (3) It draws attention from
> the performance. In a concert situation I'd rather use a stand on the
> balcony and a long boom. I was just hoping that such a boom wouldn't
> have to cost four times as much as the solution I already have...
>
> best regards
> Lars
I've seen extendable poles for replacing ceiling lights. I don't know how
much they cost, but you could try local hardware or electrical contractor
stores.
Regards,
Lars Farm
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 05:00:52 -0400, Lars Farm wrote
> (in article <1hdxqa2.d3ftdvh3nd8gN%see.bottom.of...@farm.se>):
>
> > Ty Ford <tyre...@comcast.net> wrote:
> hmmm any choir boys
No? and there aren't any boys choirs in this part of the country either
(not in our tradition - northern Sweden). Even if there were, this is
about recording instruments, pipe organs. The intent was to show the
room and the instruments, but one link was bad. This is what goes above
the balcony of the "red" church.
http://www.gronlunds-orgelbyggeri.se/scripts/visa_orgel_sv.asp?id=11
and for good meassure a third instrument.
http://www.farm.se/wps/wp-content/mitt/orgel050904.jpg
> I've seen extendable poles for replacing ceiling lights. I don't know how
> much they cost, but you could try local hardware or electrical contractor
> stores.
Thank you. I suppose this means that there are two categories of
solutions. Either the (very) expensive carbon fibre boom poles primarily
intended for manual operation (Ambient, K-Tek, etc) and then painters
pole/your second suggestion. I had a hypothesis there could be a third
category with cheaper, perhaps heavier, boom poles, but this idea seems
to be wrong. Unless I can find something more about the LTM aluminum
poles... Thanks again.
Anyway, I'll take a good look at the Ambient stuff as well as keep an
eye open towards the cheaper stuff. Well see what turns up.