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Darrell Henke

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Dec 28, 2005, 5:31:51 PM12/28/05
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On shows do you put your recorders in cases or leave them on the sound cart
in the camera truck? I have always left them on my cart, but recently had
both the Deva and PD 4 loose screws. It was probably just my time to have
trouble. A day on my cart might be worse than an hour trip in the truck, but
it made me wonder if I should pack them up in cases like the camera
department does with the camera bodies.

Darrell

Gtrew

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Dec 28, 2005, 5:54:52 PM12/28/05
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I prefer to leave mine on the cart. For one thing, my cart is fully
enclosed, so they are protected at least as well as in separate cases.
But even with open-style Magliner cases I thing your chances may be
better on the cart. Sure, they are less protected, but I believe the
wear and tear of constantly packing and unpacking, plugging and
unplugging, the inevitable dropping, etc, will cause more harm in the
long run.

gt

Oleg Kaizerman

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Dec 28, 2005, 6:04:25 PM12/28/05
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my gear sit on shelves which covered by Velcro opposite to the Velcro on the
recorder and mixer bodies , you cant pick up them without insert knife or
similar , it also make some kind of buffer for vibrations
I never put it in the boxes during the location changes .
when you place the cart inside the track mount it to something it wouldn't
move or jump , place sand bags around if it necessarily for extra weight .
good amortization for wheels might help 2
lock tight for screws is cheap solution:-)

--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland

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Jeff Wexler

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Dec 28, 2005, 6:11:28 PM12/28/05
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In article <BFD86E77.318E5%darrellhe...@comcast.net>,
Darrell Henke <darrellhe...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On shows do you put your recorders in cases or leave them on the sound cart
> in the camera truck?

First of all, it has been a long time since I have been on the Camera
truck on the features that I have been doing --- usually it has been a
Sound and Video truck just for us. The camera equipment packages have
gotten so big as have the video assist package to service the camera
department, there is no way it will all fit on one truck. I do leave all
of my gear on the cart and everything has almost always been okay that
way. It all depends on the design of your cart AND the design/ride of
the truck or trailer the equipment is traveling in. I did have problems
once with a trailer (which we replaced two weeks into the job) because
things were shifting so badly on the shelves and screws were backing out
of most all of the equipment. We had equipment coming apart that never
even came out of their shipping cases! The second or third time I asked
the production to give us a pre-call so we would have the time to
re-organize the shelves, repair the equipment and so forth, they told
transportation to retire the trailer. With a smoother riding trailer we
had no more problems.

Regards, Jeff Wexler

Brad Harper

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Dec 28, 2005, 7:54:45 PM12/28/05
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Time to buy that new van Darrell.

Brad


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Darrell Henke

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Dec 28, 2005, 8:02:52 PM12/28/05
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I'll let you drive it on a set with a full Teamster crew.

DH

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Charles Tomaras

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Dec 28, 2005, 8:21:20 PM12/28/05
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"Darrell Henke" <darrellhe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'll let you drive it on a set with a full Teamster crew.
>
> DH

You just need to negotiate having a Teamster assigned to the sound
department on your next show.


Conrad B. Slater C.A.S.

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Dec 29, 2005, 12:47:54 AM12/29/05
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Darrell Henke wrote:
> On shows do you put your recorders in cases or leave them on the sound cart
> in the camera truck?

I have always left my mix cart fully built on the trucks. I agree
that in the long run it saves wear and tear on the gear, cables and
less stress for the sound crew. Many times I have watched camera
departments scramble for a new cables because they lose them or break
them in such a hurry to put all that gear back into their boxes From
the Nagra days (when you didn't want to realign a recorder head in the
field) I do have rubber shock donuts under my recorders. Now with hard
drives on the carts I am still using them. Also I place a foam block
between the cart and the wall it straps to for when a driver takes that
bumpy road less travelled. Besides with the cart already to go there
is more time to enjoy that morning coffee.

David Waelder

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Dec 29, 2005, 3:17:53 PM12/29/05
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On 12/28/05 9:47 PM, in article
1135835274.7...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Conrad B. Slater
C.A.S." <cbsl...@aol.com> wrote:

This is probably a good time for me to insert a plug for the sound cart
being developed by my friend, Chinhda Khommarath. The cart itself uses
mountain bike shocks for protection from off road excursions. Additionally,
the pull-out shelves for the mixer and the recorder are suspended by Lord
mounts, a system developed for protecting avionics in planes.

You can check out the progress on my site:
http://www.productionrecording.com/

There are several pages devoted to designing and building the cart and also
a page with exact dimensions.

We're also working on locking tie-downs so the equipment is not vulnerable
to being removed by anyone with access to a screwdriver.

Chinhda is just now finishing a production run of several carts and we
expect to host an open house to showcase the results sometime in late
January or early February.

David Waelder
(working e-mail is my name + wae, my server is earthlink dot net)

Darrell Henke

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Dec 30, 2005, 1:21:32 PM12/30/05
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I have seen the seen the cart, but can not justify the price yet (see the
thread on rates).

DH


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Phillip W. Palmer, C.A.S.

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Dec 31, 2005, 11:51:00 AM12/31/05
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I leave everything built. Much less wear and tear on everything. I do
my best to protect the cart from debris that my fly off the nearby
shelves. It's kind of funny that you ask...as it was working as a boom
operator, with both you and Stacy, that I made the decision to always
have my gear built and ready to go. My recorders ride on a platform
that has shock mounts to dampen the constant vibration and occaisional
shock of transportation.

~~Phillip W. Palmer, C.A.S.
www.palmeraudio.net

big...@verizon.net

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Dec 31, 2005, 12:13:01 PM12/31/05
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Our mixer boards are great shock sensors. When I open the cart I look
where my faders are. If they're all in a different position it was a
pretty rough ride (which is par for the course in both New York and New
Mexico).
Have a good New Year amigos.
Billy Sarokin

Jeff Wexler

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Dec 31, 2005, 2:42:25 PM12/31/05
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In article <1136049181.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
big...@verizon.net wrote:

I do the same; I pull out my sliding shelf that reveals the faders on
the Cooper board and if they are all over the place it means it was a
pretty rough ride. Also, my Sound Report clipboard which stows in a not
terribly well secured areas on the cart, if it's on the deck I know it
was a bumpy ride.

Regards, Jeff Wexler

Douglas Tourtelot

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Dec 31, 2005, 5:35:56 PM12/31/05
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Or if your Anchor speaker in it's Anvil case is on the floor from above,
missing the lens cart by inches ("I didn't drive over any bumps!") and all
the plywood is out of it's metal shelves.

BTW, the producer, who happened to be following the camera truck to work
that morning saw the driver roll over two curbs at about 35mph! When all the
potential L&D hit the PR the driver was asked to find himself another movie.
Fortunately, no damage was suffered except by the hearts of of a sound and
camera department<g>.

D.


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Darrell Henke

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Dec 31, 2005, 7:29:17 PM12/31/05
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It's just that having a screw fall down inside my recorder started me
thinking, but I'm better now.

Darrell

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Mike Borlace

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Jan 4, 2006, 3:01:23 PM1/4/06
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Have read with interest the comments about storing soundcarts on trucks. I
think that the replies I ahve seen so far are from mixers on large shoots
who are storing their carts on camera trucks or video assist trucks where
there are shelves and properly stored equipment. In this environment, it is
fine to store the cart with the equipment on it.

However, I do a lot of independent film work and the production usually has
1 high cube with no shelves and it is used by
camera/sound/grip/lighting/props/locations/etc. There is a lot of stuff and
it can shift around. The drivers or PA's packing the truck may not have a
lot of experience storing equipment. In a truck like this I store my cart
but always pack my sensitive stuff in cases and usually transport them
myself.


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