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Alternatives to Neumann 81 or Sennheiser MKh 60?

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news

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Aug 28, 2004, 2:25:35 PM8/28/04
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Hi there

i'm searching for some Alternatives to the Sennheiser/Neumann miks.

I don't like their price politics.
Here in Germany the prices are almost doubled the last 5 or 6 years.

I like to here some comments about Audiotechnica, Nevaton, Elation,Sanken
etc.

Or should i pay this horrible prices??

regards Frank


Raymond Collins

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Aug 28, 2004, 3:11:43 PM8/28/04
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Buy a used one off E-Bay?

grant finlay

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Aug 28, 2004, 6:43:28 PM8/28/04
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Hi Frank,
I find the same problem here in New Zealand, most equipment is very
expensive, ie: double the us$ list price but daily rates are about the
same....
I've managed to save a few dollars by buying used, either locally or
through well know companies on the web. One tip is to only shop with
well established companies or known local people so if there is a
problem you don't get passed along the chain of command.
Most fellow pro's or companies will let you have day or two to make
sure what you buy is indeed what you want, I've never had a problem
yet...

Grant.

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Ty Ford

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Aug 29, 2004, 10:10:37 AM8/29/04
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:25:35 -0400, news wrote
(in article <cgqihm$c6v$07$1...@news.t-online.com>):

Sorry. I have to move the keyboard so sneezing doesn't inadvertently cause me
to hit the send button.

Specifically what prices are you seeing go up on what mics?

Regards,

Ty Ford

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

shooter

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Aug 29, 2004, 10:16:35 AM8/29/04
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Bought the AKG CK 93 hyper with the 300B pre-amp. Sounds very good to
me. Reviews compared it quite favorably to other higher priced hypers.
Cost me $410 US. Has low cut & 10 db pad built in. Zero handling
noise. Other caps available for the 300B. Anybody have experience with
the shotgun?
Bought from Trew Audio, no connection with AKG or Trew.

news

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Aug 29, 2004, 3:20:13 PM8/29/04
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For example

Mkh 60

1998 850 ?
2004 1349 ?


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Adam Dransfield

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Aug 29, 2004, 4:57:43 PM8/29/04
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I used the 98 when I first started. Its sounds ok. Much better then the
Sennheiser K6/ME66 the seems to be the budget shotgun of choice here in NZ.


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Raymond Collins

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Aug 29, 2004, 5:05:31 PM8/29/04
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Hey it's inflation, your/my government keeps printing paper money and
the value of money keeps going south. It's been happening since Nixon
closed the gold window. If I had just bought gold at $35.00 an ounce. ;-)

Bryan Beasleigh

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Aug 29, 2004, 10:28:54 PM8/29/04
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What currency? If that's US dollars, that's a deal. If you want good
equipment you have to pay for it.

Your alternative will be a lesser quality mic for less money.

Glen Trew

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Aug 29, 2004, 11:29:03 PM8/29/04
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The MKH-60 has been around for just over 10 years now, and I don't think the
price has varied more than US$100 during that time.

There have always been price descrepancies world-wide, because of a number
of factors related to supply and demand. But, since the Internet and Fedex
allow most borders to be crossed much easier than in the recent past, prices
from country to country have started to equalize. This means that prices for
some products in some places go up (German microphones in Germany, for
example) and prices go down or stay the same in others (German microphones
in the US, for example). Chalk up another one for the free market system.

Glen Trew

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Noah Timan

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Aug 31, 2004, 4:08:03 PM8/31/04
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"news" <fr...@toneheads.de> wrote in message news:<cgqihm$c6v$07$1...@news.t-online.com>...

> i'm searching for some Alternatives to the Sennheiser/Neumann miks.

> I like to here some comments about Audiotechnica, Nevaton, Elation,Sanken
> etc.


Hey Frank,

I have been using the Sanken CS-3e on several shows over the course of
the past year as an alternate to my Sennheisers in some situations.
I've been very happy with it -- I find it tends to have somewhat less
of a harsh, edgy tone in many interior locations than, say, a 416 or
60. The narrow pattern is pretty terrific and it is often a good
compromise for me between a hypercardioid and a Sennheiser or Neumann
short shotgun when neither is exactly the right tool. The usable
reach (to my ear) is a bit shorter than the Sennheisers, though. As
an all around mic (if that is what you are looking for) I recommend
it.

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Noah Timan

(working email is my name at earth link)

Rick Patton

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Sep 4, 2004, 4:47:12 PM9/4/04
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"news" <fr...@toneheads.de> wrote in message
> Hi there
>
> i'm searching for some Alternatives to the Sennheiser/Neumann miks.
>
> I don't like their price politics.
> Here in Germany the prices are almost doubled the last 5 or 6 years.
>
> I like to here some comments about Audiotechnica, Nevaton, Elation,Sanken
> etc.

Frank
We've had very good results with the Audio Technica "40" series mics,
including the 4073 short shotgun mic, and the 4053 hypercard. These
mics are quiet, have lots of gain, and are very rugged. They sound
more like the Neumann KM... series than the MKH... They lack the
definition and
fast transient response of a Neumann or a Sennheiser but represent
very good value. We consider the 4053 hypercard one of the best
bargains around. One caution, the 4073 shotgun is so hot you might
have trouble plugging it straight into a DV cam. We also like the AKG
CK93, which some others have mentioned, but are not as enthusiastic
about the 568 shotgun version.
Rick Patton
Location Sound Ltd (Canada)

Kurt Albershardt

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Sep 7, 2004, 3:13:14 PM9/7/04
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news wrote:
>
> i'm searching for some Alternatives to the Sennheiser/Neumann miks.

AKG C480B/CK69 is also worth a listen.


Ty Ford

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May 20, 2005, 2:24:51 PM5/20/05
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:25:35 -0400, news wrote
(in article <cgqihm$c6v$07$1...@news.t-online.com>):

> Hi there

Price Politics?

sound oz

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May 23, 2005, 9:49:11 AM5/23/05
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You might like to consider the new range of Rode microphones.
www.rode.com.au

They now make a short shotgun mic and a couple of new products not on their
web site as yet (active cable interchangeable pattern caps for short
condenser mics (similar to Schoeps or Neuman 100's) and also their XY dual
cap stereo mic.

NT6; NTG-1 (phantom); NTG-2 (phantom or AA battery); NT45 series
(omni, cardioid, hypercardioid caps) AND a VideoMic with hot shoe suspension
mount, and their "DeadCat" version of a windjammer for mini-DV cams. An
intersting arsenal of tools.

The price will astound you.

I have been fortunate to have tried some of these products and believe it's
worth a listen for all discerning recordists. I look forward to evaluating
the newest mics.
I am a working sound recordist and lecturer in location sound acquisition,
not a sales rep - just in case you were wondering about my enthuiasm.

Regards
Ross

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Ty Ford

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May 24, 2005, 8:47:48 AM5/24/05
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 09:49:11 -0400, sound oz wrote
(in article <4291e0e1$0$4656$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>):

> You might like to consider the new range of Rode microphones.
> www.rode.com.au
>
> They now make a short shotgun mic and a couple of new products not on their
> web site as yet (active cable interchangeable pattern caps for short
> condenser mics (similar to Schoeps or Neuman 100's) and also their XY dual
> cap stereo mic.
>
> NT6; NTG-1 (phantom); NTG-2 (phantom or AA battery); NT45 series
> (omni, cardioid, hypercardioid caps) AND a VideoMic with hot shoe suspension
> mount, and their "DeadCat" version of a windjammer for mini-DV cams. An
> intersting arsenal of tools.
>
> The price will astound you.
>
> I have been fortunate to have tried some of these products and believe it's
> worth a listen for all discerning recordists. I look forward to evaluating
> the newest mics.
> I am a working sound recordist and lecturer in location sound acquisition,
> not a sales rep - just in case you were wondering about my enthuiasm.
>
> Regards
> Ross

As it turns out, I have 416/ntg-1 and 46/ntg-2 .wav files on my site in the
online archive. The Rodes are about 9-10 dB less sensitive, but after preamp
adjustment, their overall sound is not particularly noisy. The AT 897 is also
in the same sensitivity range.

The NTG-1 and NTG-2 remind me of the EQ curve I hear on Sankens.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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