Schoeps MK41 or MKH50 for outdoor use
Bryan Beasleigh
Do any of the readers here use either the MK41 or MKH50 in outdoor as
well as indoor situations.
I tried the CS-, CS-3 and MK41 in a very noisy environment and the
MK41 was a stellar performer. It actually did a better job at clarity
of voice and noise rejection than the two Sankens.
This flies in the face of what i've read on this site.
Will the 416 or the MKH60 really do any better outside.
My MK41 is the best money i ever spent (Thanks Ty)
Thom Shafer
quite often indoors as well). The 41 loses a lot of it's value when a cut-1
is added (in my opinion) sacrificing far too much low end.
I am a self admitted 416 guy who uses the 41 quite a bit when called for.
The 60 is (again in my opinion) a poor substitute for the 416 and not in the
same league.
I would not trade my 416's for anything I have yet heard on the market.
Thom Shafer
http://www.televisionsound.com
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Eric Toline
Schoeps MK41 or MKH50 for outdoor use
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Sat, May 1, 2004, 3:09am
(EDT+4) From: notbea...@eudoramail.com (Bryan Beasleigh)
Do any of the readers here use either the MK41 or MKH50 in outdoor as
well as indoor situations.<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I use and love my MKH 50s. I find they work at a greater distance than
the Schoeps. When the 50 dosn't reach out comes the Neumann 81i, when
thats out distanced then it's the 82i. Best part is they intercut so
nicely.
I tried the CS-, CS-3 and MK41 in a very noisy environment and the MK41
was a stellar performer. It actually did a better job at clarity of
voice and noise rejection than the two Sankens.<<<<
I've never matched a 41 to a CS3e but what I've heard on the Sanken I
liked a lot.
This flies in the face of what i've read on this site. Will the 416 or
the MKH60 really do any better outside.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The 60 has never done it for me. Some stange stuff going on in the lower
mids. The 416 really digs out the dialog if you can stand listening to
it for long time.
Eric
Bryan Beasleigh
On Sat, 1 May 2004 01:43:46 -0400, Audi...@webtv.net (Eric Toline)
wrote:
William Sarokin
are my primary exterior mics. I'll go to the schoeps in either an action
scene or a group scene where there are many voices. The Schoeps is very
directional, but it is very forgiving for off axis dialog, so for instance,
when you have a fight scene, or a group of teenagers (same thing I guess)
ad-libbing, it works very well. I'll also use it when space is tight for
some reason (like on a fire escape, or a porch, or a scene that moves
through a doorway from interior to exterior, or sometimes when booming from
below on a Steadicam shot.
Billy
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Eric Toline
Re: Schoeps MK41 or MKH50 for outdoor use
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Sat, May 1, 2004, 5:48pm
humidity.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I've never had that problem and I live and work in South Florida.
Eric
Bryan Beasleigh
can't see how any other mic could come close. The advice on this topic
has been invaluable. i'd like to hear more if anyone is willing. pro
or con.
Steven Rogers
done. Years ago I had them in EV footballs with a home made wind sock
velcroed around the foam before zeppelins were made for Schoeps. I now
also use a MKH70 when I need more reach.
On the docs I use the Rycote baby ball & ball gag with my Schoeps.Makes
it very compact. I love this microphone for the same reasons that Billy
does.
Steve Rogers
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William Sarokin
I haven't done docs in a while, but I did quite a few with the 'Frog Pole'
and the Rycote baby ball. On 'Bellevue Emergency' (the forerunner of all of
today's 'reality tv') back in 1990 we were constantly filming inside and
running outside as the ambulances came in. That rig worked beautifully. It
had to be small, light and totally flexible (like when I had to hold the
boom for a half hour while they cracked somebody's chest in the trauma slot,
and then collapse to be as small as possible when I had to get out of the
way of doctors carrying sharps from AIDS infected patients). If I was young
and strong enough to do that today I'd use the same mic and boom pole. I
might be the only person left in the world with a working frog pole :)
Billy
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Bryan Beasleigh
<Fil...@removethis.si.rr.com> wrote:
>On the docs I use the Rycote baby ball & ball gag with my Schoeps.Makes
>it very compact
Which shock mount did you use???
Thanks for all tye feedback
Bryan
Brad Harper
light and quiet.
Brad Harper
William Sarokin
1/2 doughnut.
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Jeff Wexler
"William Sarokin" <big...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Wow, I remember the football. What a beast.
> I haven't done docs in a while, but I did quite a few with the 'Frog Pole'
> and the Rycote baby ball.
I made my own windscreen for Schoeps to use outdoors out of 2 EV
"Football"windscreens. I cut one of them up, just the foam caps, and placed
them INSIDE the other with an air gap --- it was the best windscreen I have
ever used. We used it extensively on "An Officer and a Gentleman" for
exteriors (and often on a Fisher Boom --- we were still carrying a boom on
every shoot, even for location exteriors).
> I might be the only person left in the world with a working frog pole :)
> Billy
Hey, Billy, if by "Frog Pole" you mean the green fiberglass one (with the
red end cap) I still have mine --- collapses very small, extends way out.
Regards, Jeff Wexler
Bryan Beasleigh
Brad Harper
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Jay Farrington
> I've read that the neumann is can be affected by humidity.
I'll catch grief from both Eric and Billy on this one, but yes, a
Neumann could crap out eventually in high humidity while the
Sennheiser MKH60 will still be up and running. And the same goes for
a Schoeps 41 capsule, and yes Billy, my contacts are as clean as they
get ;)
Perhaps the difference for me is that these specific mics (that I use)
live their life in a very dry environment (San Francisco Bay Area). I
started doing sound in the field many years ago while on staff for a
rental house who owned and sent me out with many different MK41s and
many different 81is, and I often had to reach for my MKH60 (this is
when the 60 had just come out) once my Schoeps and/or Neumann crapped
out in the rain of New York or the humidity of Hawaii.
I personally don't prefer the MKH60 over my Schoeps, but I'm glad I
have it, and I end up having to use it a lot outdoors as the ambient
noise rejection is much greater and the reach is better. Does it
sound as good as the Schoeps? Nope. Wish I had a Neumann 81i in the
kit as an inbetweenie option, but I don't yet. Just my two cents.
-Jay Farrington
Eric Toline
Re: Schoeps MK41 or MKH50 for outdoor use
(EDT-3) From: j...@jayfarrington.com (Jay Farrington)
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I've read that the neumann is can be affected by humidity.
I'll catch grief from both Eric and Billy on this one, but yes, a
Neumann could crap out eventually in high humidity while the Sennheiser
MKH60 will still be up and running. And the same goes for a Schoeps 41
capsule, and yes Billy, my contacts are as clean as they get
;)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
No grief from me. I can only comment on my experiences with the Neumann
81 & 82 here in S. Florida.
Eric
removeit@netvision.net.il Oleg Kaizerman
short shotgun as well without cut the foam, then it can work on exteriors, I
don't know if you can place the psc inside the rycote.
but for very low sealing or places that I have to work with minimum length I
work with the schoeps original spider holder which holds only the capsul
and the swivel(that's only for extra length, otherwise the capsule cant sit
because the cables plug diameter) from the capsule ( the swivel) I have
30cm cable which going to the cut1 ( I think is most expensive cable I
bought per cm :-)) and the preamp which placed with Velcro and rubbers on
extension boom arm ( 30 cm) ,that way I can take the all mike at ones from
the boom.
The overall height of the mike in that case is less then 7 cm on the boom ,
this is extremely excellent when you pass doors or place gobos over the
actors for less reverb in huge places, the same thing could do with shure
a53 ring that can even take another inch but have lower isolation ( you
dont need swiwel
--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
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William Sarokin
"Eric Toline" <Audi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
No grief from me. I can only comment on my experiences with the Neumann
81 & 82 here in S. Florida.
Likewise from me. I can't figure out why some Schoeps are plagued with
humidity issues and some aren't. I have 3 bodies and 6 heads (I'm talking
about the Schoeps, not me). I'll run into rfi issues on occasion, but I
don't think I've had to swap out a Schoeps for humidty issues in 10 years.
This would be a great time for somebody from Schoeps to jump on board here
and comment. Years ago, someone posted that the casue of the humidity
issues is dirt on the white insulation in the mic preamp body. The dirt
starts to conduct when it's wet and changes the capacitance. So it's not
really dirt on the gold contacts, it's dirt on the white insulation. I'm
not anal about keeping it clean and I'll often work without a pop screen,
but every now and then I'll clean out the mic-pre with a toothpick or dip it
in denatured alcohol (and hold it upside down so nothing drains into the
electronics).
Billy
Ty Ford
(in message <fqa890pto3vpmi2ch...@4ax.com>):
> This is great information. I'm really happy with the schoeps and just
> can't see how any other mic could come close. The advice on this topic
> has been invaluable. i'd like to hear more if anyone is willing. pro
> or con.
SNIP
>>>
>>> My MK41 is the best money i ever spent (Thanks Ty)
That's me, spendin' other folks' money!
I have been inside and outside on a rainy day with the cmc641 with no prob.
The one day I did run into a problem, (not raining) I unscrewed and rescrewed
the capsule thinking as Billy has mentioned that the problem was caused by a
schmutz/conduction issue. The noise vanished.
Regards,
Ty
G. John Garrett, CAS
> Do any of the readers here use either the MK41 or MKH50 in outdoor as
> well as indoor situations.
Every day. For almost 23 years, too. I use another mic from time to time, but
the Schoeps is where I almost always start.
John
Bryan Beasleigh
others shine in particular situations either in or outdoors.
Thanks to everyone
Bryan
G. John Garrett, CAS
> Bryan Beasleigh <notbea...@eudoramail.com> wrote in message news:<rko7905giv247cssh...@4ax.com>...
>
>>I've read that the neumann is can be affected by humidity.
>
>
> I'll catch grief from both Eric and Billy on this one, but yes, a
> Neumann could crap out eventually in high humidity while the
> Sennheiser MKH60 will still be up and running. And the same goes for
> a Schoeps 41 capsule, and yes Billy, my contacts are as clean as they
> get ;)
You've probably done too many days on fogged sets and there's oil [and now
dirt]covering the diaphragm.
John
Ray Collins
70 VDC at the capsule, enough to attract fine dust/crap electrostaticly,
so John is right clean the plastic connector. Also make sure you clean
the threads of the capsule they are the ground return. We are talking
very very fine crap, when it gets damp it seems to turn into a resistor.
Bernardo Six Costa
> boom for a half hour while they cracked somebody's chest in the trauma slot,
Hi,
I悲 be the one collapsing...but on the floor...i can愒 stand
hospitals.
The other day my dog needed a blood transfusion and i almost fainted
with such a simple procedure eh! eh!
Only the Vet. female students helped a bit :) (i liked that part)
By the way...i don愒 like the MKH60 or the 816, i love my 416 and i
have a MKH50 that i rarely used but i really like it愀 sound.
In case anyone is interested i would like to try and change my MKH50
(which is brand new, not even a tiny scratch) for a long shotgun.
MKH70 or KMR82.
(i惴 in Canada)
Anyone using the 416 and the KMR82 on the same kit? do you think they
would match ok?
regards,
Bernardo Six Costa
www.bsc-filmsoundportugal.com
Eric Toline
Re: Bernardo six; mic trade.
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Mon, May 3, 2004, 11:40pm
(EDT-3) From: berna...@yahoo.com (Bernardo Six Costa)
In case anyone is interested i would like to try and change my MKH50
(which is brand new, not even a tiny scratch) for a long shotgun. MKH70
or KMR82.<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Bernardo, contact me off he group. I think we can work out a swap. My
KMR 82 for your MKH 50.
Eric
Mathew Price
crapped out due to humidity. The Schoeps on the other hand...
Mathew Price
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Mathew Price
and stronger.
Mathew Price
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John B., Indianapolis
I've only had a little experience with the other Schoeps capsules, such
as the wide cardioids as a stereo pair for a music ensemble, but yes,
they also sound top notch. Excellent for music, etc.
John B., Indianapolis -- after a 19 hour day yesterday following a short
turnaround - gasp.
Fernando
and works great. The Rycote inner conector system provides you with an
XLR connector (3 or 5 pin) that you can acomodate on the handle.
I use both mono tiny ball and the stereo-extended with an MS clip (or
the XY-MS jale if not in a boom), and I'm extremely happy. Compact and
light. The shockmounts+ball+handle are from Rycote, but you can
purchase it from Shoeps with a different product name.
If I know I will record inside only, I better use the AKA mount and a
W5D spherical foam. That makes a very nice minimum size boom rig, and
is very light. You use the Schoeps cable then (mini Lemo to XLR3)
I also love the sound of the CCM41, both for inside and outside.
Natural and sweet. Very pleasant.
I use LC60 Shoeps filters when I need to (60Hz 18dB/oct)
Fernando
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Darrell Henke
both Scheops crapped out and I didn't want to pull out a 81. If I were to
buy again I would at least look at AKGs.
At least we don't have Jerry Bruck demanding list price like we used to for
Schoeps. He always required that they were sold for list, for the "service",
then we had to send them back to the factory anyway.
Does that sound like another manufacture that we know?
I love to stir it up.
DH
in article S6Plc.6351$L8....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net, Mathew Price at
mathew...@verizon.net wrote on 5/4/04 11:00 AM:
Kurt Albershardt
>
> At least we don't have Jerry Bruck demanding list price like we used to for
> Schoeps. He always required that they were sold for list
We're pretty much back to that now after the recent price increases and dealer network cleanup.
Ron Scelza CAS
outdoor as
<well as indoor situations.
My experiences shooting exterior summer nights in the
tropics using the MK41 range from Fear to Terror....
Take the EV644 for instance, a great Mic, a hammer, an
inherent natural selection filter:
Coupling the EV644 with the switchcraft XLR backward screw
eliminated sound techs by the thousands.
The natural selection of the EV644 to filter out boom men to
this day has not been equaled.
Sennheiser capitalized on this with the 816, adding to it
"On axis response".
The supply of boommen dropped so dangerously low that John
Travolta had to be brought in to rekindle the spirit of the
art.
Booming boomed with the MK41 delivering a warm gradual
decaying off axis response, and I for one am a much happier
guy for it.
Sincerely
Ron Scelza CAS
Charles Tomaras
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If the prices go artificially high again...I'm sure the gray market dealers
will start "carrying" Schoeps again like they used to.