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MKH815 vs. MKH816

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West End Recording

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Jul 6, 2003, 3:17:05 PM7/6/03
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What's the difference between the Sennheiser MKH815 and MKH816 microphones?
I've been to Sennheiser's website and can't find anything on the 815. I
assume it's older and no longer in production, but that's all I've got so
far.

Ken Dabek
West End Recording


Stiletto2

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Jul 6, 2003, 3:43:11 PM7/6/03
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Likely if you're buying one nowadays, it's been refurbished with an 816
element, and is virtually the same.

Glen Trew

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Jul 6, 2003, 10:03:09 PM7/6/03
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The 815 could only be T powered. The 816 could be ordered either T powered
or 48v Phantom powered. Also, the 816 used more modern circuitry, slightly
improving noise specs.

Aside from that, they both have the same extreme directional
characteristics, and one is as heavy as the other.

FYI, Sennheiser is offering 816-P48 again, new, while supplies last.

Glen Trew


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Ray Collins

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Jul 7, 2003, 2:37:23 AM7/7/03
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The 816 was available in black and nickel finish, the 815 only came in a
nickel finish, other than that the same microphone. (As far as I know.)
Also I have heard the shotgun were developed by Schoeps, Sennheiser
built them under license, Schoeps was not impressed with the technology
and never made their own. Schoeps was right. ;-))

Ray

grant finlay

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Jul 7, 2003, 9:02:41 AM7/7/03
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Hello Ken,
I've owned both the 815/816 and the main difference I noted was
(between my two)
that the 815 (T power) had more mid-range, and the 816 (p48) was a
"flatter" response. In short the 816 was a better match when using a
416, and the 815 better with a neumann kmr-81i.
just my opinion.

Grant Finlay

Glenn Hodgins

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Jul 7, 2003, 9:38:22 AM7/7/03
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The 815T I owned for several years had severe off axis frequency
coloration.
The lows rolled off dramatically off axis & was hardly usable as a pro mike
compared with the 415T I still use with good results for backup with my
schoeps & neumann hyper cardiods.
--
Glenn Hodgins www.progression.net/~frechele


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Scott Dorsey

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Jul 7, 2003, 2:40:23 PM7/7/03
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Ray Collins <rc...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
>The 816 was available in black and nickel finish, the 815 only came in a
>nickel finish, other than that the same microphone. (As far as I know.)
>Also I have heard the shotgun were developed by Schoeps, Sennheiser
>built them under license, Schoeps was not impressed with the technology
>and never made their own. Schoeps was right. ;-))

No way... the electronics at least are the standard Sennheiser RF mike
electronics. The stuff inside the MKH 105 and MKH 815 are pretty much
identical and the capsule itself (sans interference tube) looks a lot like
the MKH 405 ones.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Courtney Goodin

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Jul 7, 2003, 2:40:08 PM7/7/03
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> The 815 could only be T powered. The 816 could be ordered either T powered
> or 48v Phantom powered. Also, the 816 used more modern circuitry, slightly
> improving noise specs.

The Noise specs are improved only if you power the 816 it at 48V Phantom. If
you use an 816T with 12Volt T-Power the noise specs will be worse than the
older 815T.. They changed the Transistors and Resistors in the powereing
circuit for the FM Demod in the 816 to allow the larger voltage swing of the
48V power and as a result, the noise at 12V is much higher. I remember when
I bought my first 816 and ran it at 12V T power in my Nagra. Did several
noise charts and compared it to 3 of my 815s and the 815s were 5 to 7 db
hotter and therefore had a 5 to 10 db lower noise floor. I complained to
Sennheiser and talked to the engineers in Germany. They swore the specs on
the 816 when 12v T-powered were at least as good as the 815. I went to
Audio Services and checked 6 new 816s against 3 of my 815s on their mic test
bench. They all tested pretty much as I had tested; the 816s were 5 to 7db
lower in audio level for the same input signal and had a 7 to 10 db higher
noise floor. Sennheiser was just saving some money by making the 48V
version work at 12vT without having to optimize the circuitry for the lower
voltage version.
---Courtney

Kurt Albershardt

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Jul 7, 2003, 5:01:35 PM7/7/03
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grant finlay wrote:
>
> I've owned both the 815/816 and the main difference I noted was
> (between my two)
> that the 815 (T power) had more mid-range, and the 816 (p48) was a
> "flatter" response. In short the 816 was a better match when using a
> 416, and the 815 better with a neumann kmr-81i.


I don't recall a comparable verion of the 816 but for awhile there was a
flatter 416 called a MKH416TF. I still miss my old 415T's.


Glen Trew

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Jul 7, 2003, 10:52:44 PM7/7/03
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"Glenn Hodgins" <frec...@progression.net> wrote in message
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> The 815T I owned for several years had severe off axis frequency
> coloration.
> The lows rolled off dramatically off axis & was hardly usable as a pro
mike...
> --
> Glenn Hodgins www.progression.net/~frechele

Something was probably wrong with this particular microphone. While it was
normal for the 815 and 816 to be very colored off axis, it was the high
frequencies that were missing at the sides and rear. In fact, the lower the
frequency, the more omni the 8XX became.

Speaking of the 815 and omni patterns, has anyone else here drop one and
have it go completely omni?

Glen Trew


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