B and H Canare Cable
James
Here is the link for the breakaway cable so you all can know exactly
referring to. When I have it all hooked up and somebody is monitoring
using the extra headphone jack built onto the cable, it acts as a
microphone. I can hear when the director takes on and puts off his
headphones. Its subtle and only on the return, it does not get laid
down to tape. Has anybody experienced this before with these types of
cables?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/258104-REG/Canare_FP32MIX_25_BACX25_Cable_for_Portable.html
Eric Toline
It's to be expected. Headphones and microphones are transducers
meaning both have diaphragms that conduct sound. Not much you can do
about the situation you describe.
Eric
James
I guess i was curious if anybody experienced this issue with this
particular brand of cables, or if the PSC or remote audio is brand is
better built and doesnt do this.
Eric Toline
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Has absolutely nothing to do with who made the cable or how it's
built. It's the circuit,
Eric
Mega
that some weird sounds/audio might go down on tape. (I know you said
its not)
Think of another way of giving your director/producer a headphone
split.
Which mixer are you using? If it only has one headphone out, then put
one of those headphone splitter adaptors in the jack and plug the
second pair of headphones into that. I'm sure the camera operator
would appreciate it too, not having a producer under his feet all day.
If you have a mixer with 2 headphone outs, then plug the producer
headphones into the second output and using a $5 extension cable (in
both scenarios) will get the producer away from you too. (Nothing
worse than people standing close to you, especially when there's
plenty of space around and especially behind you)
Obviously, wireless IFB is the best solution but I understand it may
not be in your budget right now.
If it was me, I would return the cable to B&H and get a regular snake
cable, then set up what I described above.
Just my opinion,
Good Luck
Peter Mega
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John B., CAS
> I would stay away from cables like these. Why risk any possibility
> that some weird sounds/audio might go down on tape. (I know you said
> its not)
Like Eric has tried twice to make clear, it's normal and NOT an
indication that anything is wrong with the cable.
Think of a headphone circuit with two headphones in parallel as two
tin cans with a string stretched between them -- what vibrates one,
vibrates the other. This is the electronic equivalent of that
acoustic principle.
Three options:
1) Take your return from the line outs of the camera (you'll need a
simple adapter) and let the director use the headphone out.
2) Send the director an IFB feed
3) Live with it.
John B., cas
Mega
another headphone output IMO. There are other inexpensive options
available. I wouldn't live with it.
Mega
John B., CAS
> It might be normal but that form of cable is a dodgy way of getting
> another headphone output IMO. There are other inexpensive options
> available. I wouldn't live with it.
> Mega
Then I have to admit, I guess I don't know what you're talking about.
Breakaway cables are a standard in this business. You'll also find
the same arrangement on the PSC and Remote Audio breakaway cables.
The parallel headphone output is there as a convenience. If you don't
like it, don't use it.
John B., cas
Mega
to see that type of parallel headphone output. Pretty much no one here
would use a cable configured that way. I have seen cables made that
way but were always untidy and unreliable.Obviously the U.S standard
snake cable differs from our standard.
Our camera snake cables are typically from mixer connector (whatever
type your mixer requires e.g 10 pin hirose for 442) to 7 pin Neutrik
male XLR. Breakaway section 7 pin Neutrik female XLR to two 3 pin male
XLR and 5 pin female XLR for return.
Mega
Oleg Kaizerman
almost any camera equipped with
line out of some sort which usually better sounding reference anyway then
2 cents distorting , hissy headphone out .
the parallel connection came while the beta sp came out as there was no
other solution to split ( there was, but frankly I think there was maybe
20 world wide users the pb adaptor out incl me :-)).
so just plug the return to 5 pin or rca outs from the camera , it only
make you good and leave the headphones socket to camera man / director .
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Eric Toline
> Sorry John, I should've mentioned that here in Australia, it is rare
> to see that type of parallel headphone output. Pretty much no one here
> would use a cable configured that way. I have seen cables made that
> way but were always untidy and unreliable.Obviously the U.S standard
> snake cable differs from our standard.
>
Our camera snake cables are typically from mixer connector (whatever
> type your mixer requires e.g 10 pin hirose for 442) to 7 pin Neutrik
> male XLR. Breakaway section 7 pin Neutrik female XLR to two 3 pin male
> XLR and 5 pin female XLR for return.
> Mega
Right, I have the SD breakaway and a parallel HP connector that I can
plug in if required for use by the camera operator. Still waiting for
someone to use it.
Eric
Ty Ford
(in article
<b4d04b28-f503-4816...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
> Sorry John, I should've mentioned that here in Australia, it is rare
> to see that type of parallel headphone output. Pretty much no one here
> would use a cable configured that way. I have seen cables made that
> way but were always untidy and unreliable.Obviously the U.S standard
> snake cable differs from our standard.
> Our camera snake cables are typically from mixer connector (whatever
> type your mixer requires e.g 10 pin hirose for 442) to 7 pin Neutrik
> male XLR. Breakaway section 7 pin Neutrik female XLR to two 3 pin male
> XLR and 5 pin female XLR for return.
> Mega
I have a Peter Engh snake made just that way. not a problem. I seldom use it,
but have it just in case. Definitely not dodgy.
Regards,
Ty Ford
--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
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Mega
cables. Sure they had a use in the SP days but we've come a long way
since then.
As John B says in his option 1, use the line out for return and leave
the HP out for whoever (always camera op here in Oz).
I give the director a Lectro IFB but if I didn't have that luxury, I
would give the director a HP out of my second HP out on my 442, with
an extension cable.
If I understand Eric correctly, he's never had anyone use the HP
parallel output.
All I'm saying is that in my humble opinion, there's better ways.
Regards
Mega
On Oct 2, 11:12 pm, Ty Ford <tyreef...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 03:48:26 -0400, Mega wrote
> (in article
> <b4d04b28-f503-4816-b124-5855fa9b3...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Sorry John, I should've mentioned that here in Australia, it is rare
> > to see that type of parallel headphone output. Pretty much no one here
> > would use a cable configured that way. I have seen cables made that
> > way but were always untidy and unreliable.Obviously the U.S standard
> > snake cable differs from our standard.
> > Our camera snake cables are typically from mixer connector (whatever
> > type your mixer requires e.g 10 pin hirose for 442) to 7 pin Neutrik
> > male XLR. Breakaway section 7 pin Neutrik female XLR to two 3 pin male
> > XLR and 5 pin female XLR for return.
> > Mega
>
> I have a Peter Engh snake made just that way. not a problem. I seldom use it,
> but have it just in case. Definitely not dodgy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
> --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
> Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
> Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA
Eric Toline
> I just dont think there's a real need for parallel HP type snake
> cables. Sure they had a use in the SP days but we've come a long way
> since then.
> As John B says in his option 1, use the line out for return and leave
> the HP out for whoever (always camera op here in Oz).
> I give the director a Lectro IFB but if I didn't have that luxury, I
> would give the director a HP out of my second HP out on my 442, with
> an extension cable.
>
If I understand Eric correctly, he's never had anyone use the HP
> parallel output.
> Regards
> Mega
True. My use of a 2nd HP out at the camera is only for the cameraman
should it be requested. Any extra sounds picked up by his headphones
would only be heard in the camera return path not when monitoring the
mixer output.
Eric
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