Rode NTG-1 in interiors?
Fabian Oliver
I din't find this: "How it works in interiors?"
Somebody has try it?, something like the Sanken CS-1?
I'm looking for an all trecking mic for a friend, but anyway i.m
curious about the Rode for a second unit in a guerrilla all arround TV
show....
Some news comments about it?
Thanks a lot.
Fabian
Scott Farr
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and Mkh 416. I use it as an on camera Microphone and I also like to use
it situations i would prefer not to put my Cs-1 in. I used it recently
during a rainy day with a softee on it for a outdoor shoot i did as
well. It responded very well the the rainly conditions and dried out
very nicely. It is no Cs-1 but at the price point it is excellant.The
production company I work with just bought 4 of them to put on there
Pd-150's and Beta Cams. For Less than 250.00 it is a great value and I
think every kit should have one.
Ty Ford
(in article <1147148877....@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
Not for interiors.
Ty Ford
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Martin Harrington
They work more than fine for interiors.
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soundwhiz
to use it outdoors then what equalisation should i use?
or vice versa,if i use an outdoors mic indoors what are the parameters
to be taken care of
is senheiser 416 a good mic to use indoors and outdoors , if that is
the only mic in your arsenal,
is there any one mic that can be used both indoors and outdoors(may be
same polar pattern)
thanks in advance for all advicesharry
soundwhiz
soundwhiz
soundwhiz
Pekka Lampela
ck69, ck98, and all these work both indoors and out.
NTG1 is a good tool for film and tv work.
Pekka Lampela
In article <mQ08g.644$S7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
Travis Groves
If you're in doubt about equalization, then I wouldn't bother with
anything but a high pass filter-- if needed ! Save the E.Q. for post
sound where it's non-destructive. As for mic choice, you'll be hard
pressed to find one do it all mic; the 416 is a very dependable mic
with many uses, but reverberant interiors is not really one of them.
All shotgun mics can exagerate the room noise unless you keep the polar
pattern in the sweet spot, and even then ... That being said, the
CS-3e may be the mic for you. The CS-3e uses a multi-capsule array
that eliminates off axis sounds especially well and reduces proximity
effect for those close miced shots. You really need a couple of mics
in your kit but there are several low cost options.
Interiors: Octavia (sp?) is a Russian mic that is fairly inexpensive
and is similar to the Schoeps
Exteriors: MKH 416 & Sanken CS-3, then AT4073, and finally Rode NTG-1
Hope this helps,
Travis Groves
Savannah, Georgia
martin griffith
"Travis Groves" <travis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm sort of retired, so I cant really afford a 416, and was thinking
of NTG-1, but the NTG-2 ( dual supply) would be more suitable for my
XL1s.
Is there any significant performance difference betwwen the NTG-1 and
NTG-2. I was mainly thinking of SPL on 1.5v against P48 ?
(The other option would be a used 416, say from BBlist)
Thanks
martin
Fabian Oliver
The best thing is to try the equipment....but, no chance.
Excelent to find the Ty Ford comparison between the 416-NTG1.
I think i am a little optimist to think that a short shotgun can have a
good off axis sound ( like some Hypers, or cardioids) to use it in
reverberant interiors....
I hope i'm wrong, but...
Let's see.
Fabian
Martin Harrington
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Martin Harrington
"real world" situations?
Some of the comments are outragious.--
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Oleg Kaizerman
for on camera I was more thinking PSC - 100 $ less to record the camera
motor:-)
real meddle east example .
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Matt Hamilton
Which comments do you find outrageous? Just wondering if you could add
some advice from your experience in the real world. I would like to
know.
Fabian,
I have heard for a long time that Schoeps hypercardiod (not to be
confused with the shotgun) is good for interiors. My experience using
them bears this out.
I used a Sennheiser ME64/K6 cardioid (!) as an interior mic on a
feature and it worked great. Proximity was key. Keeping it within
about a foot of the actor worked well. The nice thing is that you can
buy a Sennheiser ME64/K6 combo, then buy just the ME66 shotgun capsule
and have a double duty mic. Worked well for me when I was starting out
and didn't have much money to blow.
The Sanken CS-1 (shortie) is really a hypercardioid for all intents and
purposes. I used it on a shoot in a little dressing room and the rear
rejection is astounding. Astounding as in the sound from the rear is
totally non-existent. Granted, there was a lot of chatter in the room
(fans for a pre-show backstage thing) but it sounded good. I would
think the pronounced rear lobe on shotguns may worsen the problems in
small places. Just theorizing, though.
The "hollowness" you get with shotguns used indoors is comb filtering
created by the interference tube picking up a reflected sound that is
almost as loud as the direct sound. With the CS-1, you get the best of
both worlds: a shorter interference tube and total rear rejection. It
may even rival the Schoeps as far as rejection is concerned. I'd have
to check out the polar pattern diagrams.
I listened to the Rode in Trew Audio's sales room on a quiet day. I
compared it to the MKH60 and an ME66/K6 as well as the new Schoeps.
Granted, it was just me saying, "Hello, check, check" into the mics and
A/B-ing them. Honestly, the Rode sounds just as good as the Sennheiser
ME66. The MKH60 sounded darker to my ear and the Schoeps was best, but
in a way I can't exactly define.
Remember, for dialog, no one is A/B-ing anything. No one has ever
said, "Hey, they used a Rode instead of a Sennheiser on that." You
have to totally screw up the sound before someone notices. With the
dialog range being fairly narrow, unless the mic is just super-hissy,
it will be great. Especially if you are doing interviews for TV,
corporate video, or ENG/reality stuff. For "guerilla TV" work I'd use
the Rodes in a heartbeat.
For those naysayers on the group, Rode has been winning awards for
years in the rest of the recording world for the quality of their mics.
Remember, cheaper is not always un-better.
For what it is worth (FWIW for you cool people).
-Matt
P.S. You don't need oxygen free cables either. ; )
Martin Harrington
I've been using the Rode now for over 2 years as my main mic and have had
many, many compliments on the sound of the mic, (or more specifically, the
sound of the audio captured), than with almost any other mic I've used,
which include the 416, Beyer MC 736, (beautifully warm sound), MKH60, and
the CS-1.
It has a warm rich sound inside, great pull outside, (bit more susceptible
to wind than say a 416), and to my ears has no equal anywhere near the
price.
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www.lendanear-sound.com
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Matt Hamilton
That is exactly what I was asking for. Your experience with the mic is
something I can't get from reading about it. Good info.
-Matt
Oleg Kaizerman
same leag ,check your ears and my email :-)
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Martin Harrington
Have you ever used any of the products you so eagerly dismiss?
I trust my ears, have been in the industry for over 38 years, and still
going.
All my (National and International), clients trust my ears also.--
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John Blankenship
Martin Harrington
Travis Groves
I was rating the mics in order of price, not merit. And yes I have
heard one.
I drive a Ford, but know it's no Ferrari.
Travis
Fabian Oliver
Matt,
You are wright about the modular ME system, it can be a solution.
What i;m imagin is for use it with 2 sony Z1 cameras, sometimes mounted
on them ( cars, some interior activities), sometimes on a pole (
interview, and another situations with more space).
Someone will bring one in a week here so i will be able to test it,
for this particular proyect i think they will be ok.
concerning the schoeps, i've 2 bodys and 3 capsules, and i need to say
that i like the hyper on interiors. Matters of taste...
Fabian
Ty Ford
(in article <mQ08g.644$S7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
> I wholeheartedly disagree.
> They work more than fine for interiors.
>
Well, I'm sorry Martin, we'll continue to disagree. The off-axis
non-linearities of ANY shotgun pales in comparison against a good
hypercardioid.
Regards,
Douglas Tourtelot
In principl, you are correct. Interference tube mics should suffer from
comb-filtering in a reverberant space. But. . . .I pull my Sanken CS-3e
first for almost all interiors now, leaving the Schoeps CMC641 in the
drawer. Why? The Sanken sounds WAY better. So everyone; don't be stuck in
theory. As someone here said, you will probably be the only one who knows a
mistake was made in a mic choice. Switch it out before take 2 and you will
know which does and does not work in the real situation that you've
encountered. "Those of us who don't try something new will have a boring
day." That was in my fortune cookie this morning<g>.
D.
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Steve King
> On Tue, 9 May 2006 09:30:58 -0400, Martin Harrington wrote
> (in article <mQ08g.644$S7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
>
>> I wholeheartedly disagree.
>> They work more than fine for interiors.
>>
>
> Well, I'm sorry Martin, we'll continue to disagree. The off-axis
> non-linearities of ANY shotgun pales in comparison against a good
> hypercardioid.
>
I think that many of the positive comments about shotguns in interiors are
based on experiences in relatively non-relective spaces. Not too long ago I
had a interview shoot with three corporate types in the 'sofa and side
chairs' area of an executive office. We used a Schoeps and a 416 on booms,
because that is what we had. The mics sounded different, when isolated ---
not good or bad, just different. There was essentially no comb filtering of
the 416 because the office was not very reflective. When mixed together,
the tracks sounded fine. I'm sure that it would have been different
recording in the men's room or an empty lunch room, as examples.
Steve King
Oleg Kaizerman
this the the only places that shit is worth something , ill send you a
picture
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Jay Rose
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> The NTG-1 and NTG-2 are essentially the same except for the AA powering.
>
> According to the spec sheet, the NTG-1 has 8dB more headroom.
That's typical of any mic that can run on both battery and phantom...
the regulated phantom voltage, inside the preamps, is higher than the
battery voltage and allows a greater output swing.
I think you'll find that if you run the NTG-2 on p48, it'll pick up the
extra headroom.
--
Jay Rose CAS
tutorials and other sound goodies at dplay.com
email is "jay@" plus the dot-com in the previous line.
Matt Hamilton
I think you might need more fiber in your diet. Maybe a switch to
decaf or something.
-Matt
Ty Ford
(in article <IsednVJWSfsDcvzZ...@comcast.com>):
Absolutely. Reflectivity is key. I was down in the studio one day comparing
hypers and shotguns, thinking well, shotguns are really not that bad. The I
realized...uh, oh, right, I'm in a an acoutically treated space.
Took 'em upstairs, big difference.
Oleg Kaizerman
drams
so F ... of as we say here ( that's with decaf - ill keep the espresso
expression this time)
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Martin Harrington
You really should try and cut down to maybe a case a day for a while.
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Go catch some Asian fiver ,might help you get " high" in your miserable
life .
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Peter
http://www.dvcreators.net/shotgun-shootout/
you can hear an NTG-2 compared to several other shotguns, including a
mkh-416, and an AT4073A. Decide for yourself.
Best wishes,
Peter