NEVATON - RUSSIAN MICROPHONE BRAND
rectangle
magazines where Nevaton microphones are top-ranked and leave much more
expensive brands like Neumann behind them.
Does anyone have direct experience with that microphones?
Richard Crowley
> Hello, ...ot愀 of articels and tests on the web and in
> recording magazines where Nevaton microphones
> are top-ranked and leave much more expensive
> brands like Neumann behind them.
And yet Neumann. Schoeps, DPA, et.al. continue to get
premium $$$ for their products. Perhaps there is a reason
for that which escaped those "microphone reviewers"?
> Does anyone have direct experience with that microphones?
Which model? Old or new?
The Russian microphones in general have a reputation
for poor QC. You might get lucky and get a good one,
but you have an excellent chance of ending up with a dog.
Some resellers apply western-style QC after the fact and
sell Nevaton, Oktava, etc. microphones that have been
screened for quality. For example www.sound-room.com
OTOH, some distributors (notoriously A.S.McKay) have
the reputation of selling whatever falls off the assembly
line with no apparent regard for quality or customer service.
A.S.McKay now has the reputation of stealing the popular
Oktava design and having their clones manufactured in China.
(Which is ironic as the Oktava, and most of the Russian
mics are themselves clones of popular western models.)
But this is disputed by McKay and, indeed, the Chineese
have shown themselves quite capable of cloning popular
mic models without any help from Western distributors.
engaudio
the Chinese
> have shown themselves quite capable of cloning popular
> mic models without any help from Western distributors.
It's not just mic's , I recently covered a "gateway to china"
conference.
Many local manufacturers refused to do business due to fears of their
designs being ripped off , i also heard many stories of exactly this
thing happening.... Such as a local finding a clone of his product at
the $2 shop , he was very pissed as he had spent hundreds of thousands
of dollars in developing his idea. They even all had the same serial
number stamped on it, taken from his sample sent to a Chinese
manufacturer for pricing.
Grant.
Ty Ford
(in article <12jdvk8...@corp.supernews.com>):
> "rectangle" wrote ...
>> Hello, ...ot愀 of articels and tests on the web and in
>> recording magazines where Nevaton microphones
>> are top-ranked and leave much more expensive
>> brands like Neumann behind them.
>
> And yet Neumann. Schoeps, DPA, et.al. continue to get
> premium $$$ for their products. Perhaps there is a reason
> for that which escaped those "microphone reviewers"?
Exactly. Poof and bother. Rectangle, your lack of evidence makes you look
bad. Nevaton has "NEVA" been a top rated mic in the world of the hearing when
compared to Neumann.
Regards,
Ty Ford
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
rectangle
Nevaton microphones are fully handensembled in Russia and certainly no
clones from any western brand. Nevaton is producing microphones since
1947. A tests in the keyboards magazine showed that Nevaton microphones
are
# extremely well manufactured (...)
# that the Nevaton MC 416 is a first-rate mic, which can compete with
microphones costing over twice(!) as much.
The result was, that these mics can compete with mics like Neumann M149
(price ~ 3500€). And I have no reason to believe that Nevaton has a
big lobby here in Europe :). For people which want to get a top level
mic for a reasonable price, Nevaton seems to be a great option. F.e.
the Nevaton MC 416 has multipattern facilities and it looks like a
versatile mic for a lot of applications and costs only 995€!
I´d be especially interested to use the Nevaton for vocals, cello and
percussion. Want to buy a new one.
Don´t know how many high reputated western brands, have their
factories in China.
But this has nothing to do with Nevaton. They produce directly in
St.Petersburg.
Looking through posts on the web I found that critical statements about
Russian microphones are mainly from people "which heared something" and
not from users which have direct experience with that microphones.
"Reputation" is often just based on stereotypes.
I have collegues which are absolutely satisfied with their Russian
(oktava) mics (mkl 2500, mk 012-stereopair, mk 220...)
Not any complain about their quality, not one single "dog"...
And Nevaton mics should be some leagues above the Oktava`s.
I´d be interested in comments from engineers which are really using
Nevaton microphones.
Thank you,
NC
rectangle
> bad.
The result of Keyboard Magazine 08/2004 - Neumann U87AI, Nevaton MC
416, Lawson L251, Neumann M149, Brauner Valvet, T.H.E. KR-33, Neumann
TLM103...
shows that Nevaton mics are
# extremely well manufactured (...)
# a first-rate mic, which can compete with microphones costing over
twice(!) as much.
# was first choice for applications like saxophone, percussion, vocals
The result was, that these mics can compete on each level with mics
like Neumann M149 (price ~ 3500€).
And again, I have no reason to believe that Nevaton has a big lobby
here in Europe!
I guess some people/companies have problems with the fact that finally
Russian manufactories are offering valuable mics for reasonable money.
My question was - Does anybody have direct experience, with that
microphones?
Read that:
Eric Somers, Acousmatic Designer, State University of New York:
Tonight my students and I tested the Nevaton MC-48 against various
stereo pairs made up of AKG mics (...)
In virtually every test the Nevaton way outperformed the AKGs.
The sound was warmer and richer. I do a lot of piano recording and the
Nevaton seems to be an EXCELLENT piano mic.
regards,
nc
Macnab
is rather unique - an extremly well made and interesting microphone.
It has a five pin XLR output which has the outputs of both diaphragms
available. Using it on two mixer channels offers all sorts of
combinations - changing phase and gain means you can pick whatever
directional characteristics you need. If you ever need to access both
parts of a figure eight mic for instant stereo this is the one. It is
extremely linear, and needs serious shock-mounting - the LF response is
particularly good.
I haven't used any of their other mics, but the sound and build quality
of this particular model is absolutely superb in my view.
All the best,
Colin Macnab, freelance sound, Edinburgh
leonard...@gmx.de
rectangle schrieb:
hallo rectangle,
not long time ago, we upgraded our studio with two Nevaton mics. MC 51
and MC 48-stereo. both are top notch! we are using them heavily. no
problems discovered yet.
we´re mainly recording small chamberquartets, stringensembles, choir.
i don´t know for which purpose you need them, but if it´s about small
orchestras, string ensembles...the MC 48 is highly recommended! The MC
51 became our favorite for most of acoustic instruments like violin,
cello, ac.guitar, flute, perc...
we are interested to see their boundary layer mic, but it´s hard to
find here in germany.
l. cortez
sound recording engineer
jean-loui...@hotmail.com
rectangle schrieb:
I am recording with Nevaton MK 416 since years. Don´t want to compare
it with Neumann or any other brands. What I can say from my own
experience is that it has excellent transient responses and that I love
to use it for recording vocal tracks of all kinds. It definately has an
own character, warm and velvet, still definate sound and the vocals
stand upfront in the mix. Almost don´t need to touch comp and eq. Also
for ac. instruments like ac. guit, clarinette, banjo.... And it is
built like a russian tank. Very stabil indeed :) No chinese shit which
is glued together and falls easily apart. Actually I heared that
Nevaton is the same company which designed the famous Lomo-microphones
19A19, which were used from Pink Floyd on Dark side of the moon. Same
company but now with another name. Maybe somebody knows more about it.
Anyway my opinion - considering the price-quality ratio --- Nevaton
rulez!!!
Ty Ford
(in article <1161297892.1...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
>
> rectangle schrieb:
>
>> Hello, ...ot愀 of articels and tests on the web and in recording
>> magazines where Nevaton microphones are top-ranked and leave much more
>> expensive brands like Neumann behind them.
>> Does anyone have direct experience with that microphones?
>
> I am recording with Nevaton MK 416 since years. Don愒 want to compare
> it with Neumann or any other brands. What I can say from my own
> experience is that it has excellent transient responses and that I love
> to use it for recording vocal tracks of all kinds. It definately has an
> own character, warm and velvet, still definate sound and the vocals
> stand upfront in the mix. Almost don愒 need to touch comp and eq. Also
> for ac. instruments like ac. guit, clarinette, banjo.... And it is
> built like a russian tank. Very stabil indeed :) No chinese shit which
> is glued together and falls easily apart. Actually I heared that
> Nevaton is the same company which designed the famous Lomo-microphones
> 19A19, which were used from Pink Floyd on Dark side of the moon. Same
> company but now with another name. Maybe somebody knows more about it.
> Anyway my opinion - considering the price-quality ratio --- Nevaton
> rulez!!!
Ah, a fan club!
Well if you don't compare, then you don't really know how a Neumann might
compare.
Your "same company" "Darkside" references are wildy vague and might give
someone the impression that there is a valid connection. I'd be more
interested in knowing how many Neumann's were used, which ones and where.
Nevaton Rules? You should get out more.
Richard Crowley
> Nevaton microphones are fully handensembled in Russia and certainly no
> clones from any western brand. Nevaton is producing microphones since
> 1947. A tests in the keyboards magazine showed that Nevaton
> microphones
People who believe microphone "reviews" in "Keyboard"
magazine are more likely to be found in...
news:alt.music.home-studio
> Don´t know how many high reputated western brands,
> have their factories in China.
A great many of them here on our planet. Not on yours?
> I have collegues which are absolutely satisfied with
> their Russian (oktava) mics (mkl 2500, mk 012-stereopair,
> mk 220...)
> Not any complain about their quality, not one single "dog"...
Good for them. Not the experience of the rest of us.
I have a pair of MK012s which were QCed by
The SoundRoom. They are OK, but not in the same
league as the Schoeps that they are clones of. Oktava
has been discussed many times in this forum. Suggest
perusing the archives.
> I´d be interested in comments from engineers which
> are really using Nevaton microphones.
Good luck. Besides this thread, Nevaton has been
mentioned only one other time in the last year on all
the Usenet news-groups combined. I found this lack
of interest rather surprising.
They may be good microphones, but they don't appear
to have any credible press, and remarkably limited
availability.
rectangle
the question was ---> " Does anyone have direct experience with Nevaton
microphones?"
As you still didn´t talk about your direct experience with Nevaton,
you might not have any. Fortunately there are other users which know
more about them.
If you are "more interested in knowing how many Neumann's were
used...guess you´ll find some Neumann fan club to discuss the topic.
rectangle
> to have any credible press, and remarkably limited
> availability.
That´s why I´m asking about direct user experience with Nevaton.
But same as Ty, you seem not to have any. Oktava has nothing to do with
Nevaton.
Oktava is a factory in Tula, Nevaton is based in St.Petersburg.
Anyway, I´m in mailcontact with a recording engineer and professor at
the filmacademy in St.Petersburg now - He wrote that Nevaton
microphones are highly appreciated in the Russian film industry and
that they are also used for recordings in most of the major concert
halls in Russia. The fact that not many people in the western world
know them and that they are hard to get, means only that there is no
function distributor network.
He promised to organize me a contact of a sound engineer, working in a
high-reputated recording studio in St.Petersburg, which has a wide
experience using Nevaton microphones. For all which are interested in
that topic, I´ll post more as soon as I came in contact with that guy.
Richard Crowley
> He promised to organize me a contact of a sound engineer,
> working in a high-reputated recording studio in St.Petersburg,
> which has a wide experience using Nevaton microphones.
> For all which are interested in that topic, I´ll post more as
> soon as I came in contact with that guy.
Perhaps if you can organize somebody who has experience
with the kinds of microphones highly regarded in the
industry, and THEY could compare the Nevaton it would
be worth your effort to report. Else it is just annother fanboy,
but from Russia and with no better frame of reference.
Ty Ford
(in article <12jkg6v...@corp.supernews.com>):
OK. Have them send me one.
Ty Ford
(in article <1161354124....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
Let's do it. Put your money where your keyboard is rectangle. Have them send
me one.
I think I can objectively compare a Nevaton with a Neumann.
rectangle
> I think I can objectively compare a Nevaton with a Neumann.
> Regards,
> Ty Ford
>
Good luck, Ty Ford, it is noticed that you don´t know this mics. Maybe
somebody will make you a favour. Don`t fall out of your objective
clouds.
> Else it is just annother fanboy, but from Russia and with no better frame of reference.
If a Russian recording engineer can tell us WHY he is a fan of Nevaton
microphones, he can contribute more to this thread than thin
interpretations, which doesn´t have anything to do with the actual
question.
Still interested about comments of users, which had direct experience
with Nevaton microphones
Regards,
NC
Charles Tomaras
"rectangle" <noisec...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1161469516....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>Have them send me one.
>> I think I can objectively compare a Nevaton with a Neumann.
>> Ty Ford
>>
>Good luck, Ty Ford, it is noticed that you don´t know this mics. Maybe
>somebody will make you a favour. Don`t fall out of your objective
>clouds.
>> Else it is just annother fanboy, but from Russia and with no better frame
>> of reference.
>If a Russian recording engineer can tell us WHY he is a fan of Nevaton
>microphones, he can contribute more to this thread than thin
>interpretations, which doesn´t have anything to do with the actual
>question.
>Still interested about comments of users, which had direct experience
>with Nevaton microphones
>Regards,
>NC
Well, I for one would welcome new information about any microphone I am
unfamiliar with. If Nevaton is proud of thier microphones and want more
"western" users I'd think that getting one to a noted and published
microphone reviewer like Ty Ford might be of interest to them.
Richard Crowley
> Well, I for one would welcome new information about any microphone I
> am unfamiliar with. If Nevaton is proud of thier microphones and want
> more "western" users I'd think that getting one to a noted and
> published microphone reviewer like Ty Ford might be of interest to
> them.
But, alas, they have the look & feel of just annother Eastern
Block smalltime manufacturer of clones of Western products
of various vintages. And "rectangle" is doing them no favors
with his fanatical online postings.
The have no evident sales and/or service organization in
the West and their corporate website (?) is hosted on a
free service.
http://www.nevaton.freeservers.com/
Even their "friends"(?) comments suffer in translation...
"Nevaton is the manufacturer of the multypattern and stereo
microphones, which in our humble opinion, are among the
best in the world....
Nevaton quality control is not tight enough. "
Or maybe the translation is accurate? :-)
http://www.microphones.ru/Nevaton/Nevaton_overview.html
We may have already heard from both of the Nevaton
customers who read/write English?
reinhard landmann
with respect to other arguments, be considered as top level
microphones.
Their representation in Western Europe and on the web is rather poor
and not updated for years. Seems that their target is the domestic
market.
With kind regards,
Dipl.-Ing. Reinhard Landmann
Oleg Kaizerman
local guitar center - I know quit allot users who originally brought these
to Israel when they immigrated from ussr few ears ago , most of them don't
even think to replace these with stuff you know so well .they more then
happy with these .
did I checked them against Neummans?- I didn't, but the recordings I heard
where very good .
why -don't you see these in States - I think it mostly because it very
hard make money on their distribution .
they are quit expensive , the company doesn't give you to much discount if
you don't buy large number( that's from inquiry I did few months ago for
some firm that liked bring it here) , you need to advertise it years until
the name would penetrate to the brain of the potential customers , and they
are not unique in any way .
so not like the Oktava which was the first "Chiniz" microphone which came
during it low price few years ago and broke the price game rules which were
established by big companies .Nevaton is much more expensive product .
about how good is the product you can figure with the eBay - its almost
never seen there and it not because you don't have thousands of users
around the globe :-)
my 2 rubles :-)
if you need the direct contact , I can send you one with the prices , the
shipping is around 100us per item from st Petersburg .
--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
"Charles Tomaras" <tom...@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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Ty Ford
(in article <1161469516....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>):
>> Have them send me one.
>> I think I can objectively compare a Nevaton with a Neumann.
>> Regards,
>> Ty Ford
>>
>
> Good luck, Ty Ford, it is noticed that you don´t know this mics. Maybe
> somebody will make you a favour. Don`t fall out of your objective
> clouds.
in this country, with no other context, that's considered a snide comment.
I'll take your ignorance into account.
>
>> Else it is just annother fanboy, but from Russia and with no better frame
>> of reference.
>
> If a Russian recording engineer can tell us WHY he is a fan of Nevaton
> microphones, he can contribute more to this thread than thin
> interpretations, which doesn´t have anything to do with the actual
> question.
>
> Still interested about comments of users, which had direct experience
> with Nevaton microphones
>
> Regards,
> NC
Me too. The borders have been open a for a long time. Engineers and producers
much higher on the pole than myself have had access to any mics on the
planet. To this date, I've not seen any putting down their Neumann's,
Schoeps, and AKGs in favor of a Nevaton.
Ty Ford
(in article <453b86e7$0$97216$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>):
> the mic probably better then anything you can buy with same money in your
> local guitar center - I know quit allot users who originally brought these
> to Israel when they immigrated from ussr few ears ago , most of them don't
> even think to replace these with stuff you know so well .they more then
> happy with these .
> did I checked them against Neummans?- I didn't, but the recordings I heard
> where very good .
>
> why -don't you see these in States - I think it mostly because it very
> hard make money on their distribution .
> they are quit expensive , the company doesn't give you to much discount if
> you don't buy large number( that's from inquiry I did few months ago for
> some firm that liked bring it here) , you need to advertise it years until
> the name would penetrate to the brain of the potential customers , and they
> are not unique in any way .
> so not like the Oktava which was the first "Chiniz" microphone which came
> during it low price few years ago and broke the price game rules which were
> established by big companies .Nevaton is much more expensive product .
> about how good is the product you can figure with the eBay - its almost
> never seen there and it not because you don't have thousands of users
> around the globe :-)
> my 2 rubles :-)
> if you need the direct contact , I can send you one with the prices , the
> shipping is around 100us per item from st Petersburg .
>
>
OK. Send ahead. I'll see if they'll send me something.
Ty Ford
I just sent this to them directly:
Hello from the USA,
Pardon my ignorance. I am not smart enough to speak Russian. I only know
English and a little French and Spanish.
I review mics for trade magazines in the USA. To see some of the mics I have
reviewed, please look in the On Line Archives of my website.
A discussion has been started about your mics on the rec.audio.pro newsgroup.
I'd like to hear what your mics sound like. Can you arrange for several
different models to be sent to me?
Thanks,
Ty Ford
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Why am I not surprised.
Oleg Kaizerman
you are extremely rude
why that iam not surprise :-)
check your email box -i sent you contact details
--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
"Ty Ford" <tyre...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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MUJ
Hi
i am fron morway and i all i can say is that the nevaton mics are very
good and should complement your current mics. I own a pair of mc49 for
the last year and they are great.
i am planning on buying the mc48.
Ty..the e-mail adress you used is not affiliated with the company ,
here is the real e-mail addy
best regards
--m
Ty Ford
(in article <1164207397.9...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>):
Thanks for that. I forget, which Nevaton were we talking about a few weeks
back?
Ty Ford
(in article <1164207397.9...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
>
I have emailed them, with no response.
Regards,
Ty
Richard Crowley
> MUJ wrote:
>> Ty..the e-mail adress you used is not affiliated with the company ,
>> here is the real e-mail addy
>>
>> nev...@mail.lanck.net
>>
What a surprise.
If "MUJ" is such a big fanboy of these things, maybe he should
put his money where his ears are and buy into a dealership for
the western hemisphere.