Schoeps shotgun report...it scratches easily!
Charles Tomaras
have to say that the metal finish scratches VERY easily. If you even lightly
scrape it to metal while putting it into a mount like the PSC Universal you
will scratch it. The blue finish is not durable or the metal is too
soft...either way, this mic is gonna look very used after a short while of
real world use. I'm going to hang on to it because it's a great mic, but
Schoeps screwed up with the blue finish and light weight metal which is
going to show every blemish. I'd prefer if they made it in a Nextel Gray
with the same coating as their CMC G series which has been remarkably
resilient over the years.
Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA
G. John Garrett, C.A.S
You could always sand it down and paint it with Rust-O-Lium....
:-p
jg
Eric Toline
Re: Schoeps shotgun report...it scratches easily!
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Thu, Apr 13, 2006, 9:56am
From: j...@soundcartREMOVE.com (G. John Garrett, C.A.S)
Nah, just wrap it gaffers tape.
Eric
wildt®ax
come off.
frank.
Eric Toline schrieb:
Brian Maier
Charles Tomaras
mic displays a new silver hairline scratch on it's blue finish just about
every time I put it in it's mount. I also feel personally that blue with or
without scratches is a stupid color for a mic because it draws unwanted
attention to it which is counter productive to being less visible on a
shoot. Out of 6 interviews today, two of the subjects took the time to
comment on the color of the mic when I'm sure the interviewer would have
preferred they were more focused on interview. Not a big deal, but another
concern. I'd trade this without reservation for a gray one if they made it.
"Brian Maier" <bma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> sandpaper?
>
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ttle, WA
>>
> You could always sand it down and paint it with Rust-O-Lium....
>
> :-p
>
> jg
-Flat Black- Rust Oleum....
jg
Brian Maier
suggest contacting Schoeps and trying to give them some real world
feedback. Who knows maybe if they get enough of it they will listen
and offer another version.
Oleg Kaizerman
throw 1800 for a shot gun can buy at least new dedicated mount if he cant
buy completely new set include wind screen :-)
Charles its not a car you sell after 3 years - it have to serve you until
the pension ,then it will probably be collectors item with wonderful history
of the voices it cached on your jobs ( try to record someone famous like
BILL, it probaly add few bucks :-)
about the color - just add white stripes and few red stars - they would love
your patritizm :-)))
--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
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Charles Tomaras
"Oleg Kaizerman" <kaiz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry why do you put every time in the mount - I thought person who can
> throw 1800 for a shot gun can buy at least new dedicated mount if he cant
> buy completely new set include wind screen :-)
I'm using it for indoor interviews and running around a Craft Brewers
Association convention floor. I've pulled it out of it's mount a bit more
often than usual just to marvel in it's weight and to show it to other
people on the production who ask about it. Probably won't use it much in a
Zeppelin...in fact I use a Zeppelin so rarely any more I can't remember the
last job I used it on. I've just become an old indoor interview kind of guy!
I'm just very surprised that it has the LEAST DURABLE finish of any mic I've
ever owned.
>
> Charles its not a car you sell after 3 years - it have to serve you until
> the pension ,then it will probably be collectors item with wonderful
> history of the voices it cached on your jobs ( try to record someone
> famous like BILL, it probaly add few bucks :-)
> about the color - just add white stripes and few red stars - they would
> love your patritizm :-)))
Well...I used it on Michael Jackson today. That's the beer critic and not
the musician!
Oleg Kaizerman
> I'
> "Oleg Kaizerman" <kaiz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:443edcdb$0$16365$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>> Sorry why do you put every time in the mount - I thought person who can
>> throw 1800 for a shot gun can buy at least new dedicated mount if he
>> cant buy completely new set include wind screen :-)
>
> I'm using it for indoor interviews and running around a Craft Brewers
> Association convention floor. I've pulled it out of it's mount a bit more
> often than usual just to marvel in it's weight and to show it to other
> people on the production who ask about it. Probably won't use it much in a
> Zeppelin...in fact I use a Zeppelin so rarely any more I can't remember
> the last job I used it on. I've just become an old indoor interview kind
> of guy! I'm just very surprised that it has the LEAST DURABLE finish of
> any mic I've ever owned.
hmm - at least I assume it was ladies you showed off with :-)) and that
what made the finest color get scratches .
sue them - not only you was robbed but now you cant get a pick up with that
scratched tool :-)
>
>>
>> Charles its not a car you sell after 3 years - it have to serve you
>> until the pension ,then it will probably be collectors item with
>> wonderful history of the voices it cached on your jobs ( try to record
>> someone famous like BILL, it probaly add few bucks :-)
>> about the color - just add white stripes and few red stars - they would
>> love your patritizm :-)))
>
> Well...I used it on Michael Jackson today. That's the beer critic and not
> the musician!
one moment I thought that you in Dubai 2 blocks from here :-)
Jay Hartigan
That sure sounds like an ideal gig! Were you able to sample any of the
ales? Don't you think Michael Jackson has the best job in the world?
Jay
Charles Tomaras
"Jay Hartigan" <jhartiga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Charlie,
>
> That sure sounds like an ideal gig! Were you able to sample any of the
> ales? Don't you think Michael Jackson has the best job in the world?
I mastered drinking 16 years ago! I was VERY good at it. Since then I
haven't felt the need to go back to school so I can't comment on the brew.
Michael Jackson has figured out a way to justify his lifestyle. :)
-¦-R€b€rto¤
>Out of 6 interviews today, two of the subjects took th ( e time to
>comment on the color of the mic when I'm sure the interviewer would have
>preferred they were more focused on interview. Not a big deal, but another
>concern. I'd trade this without reservation for a gray one if they made it.
Well, the fact that it has that ridiculous color is one of the reasons
i'll wait till they will bring out a gray one.
And it will be cheaper to, I'll guess. ( within a year or 2 )
R
Ty Ford
(in article <qLadnTAMfY7...@comcast.com>):
And don't forget to fill in the grooves with body putty.
Ty Ford
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
Jason Porter
I would like to hear an explanation from the people who decided on the
finish/colour.
Too bad thay are not like the other fine vendors/manufacturers who
participate here. I guess they just don't care.
-Jason (doesn't speak German, anyhow...)
"Ty Ford" <tyre...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:14:13 -0400, G. John Garrett, C.A.S wrote
> (in article <qLadnTAMfY7...@comcast.com>):
>
>
-¦-R€b€rto¤
>Too bad thay are not like the other fine vendors/manufacturers who
>participate here. I guess they just don't care.
If participating here means if an Mfg cares, i think we live on
different planets :-)
R ( secret hint : http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/representations.html )
Jason Porter
-Jason (I guess Lectro participates in RAMPS just to laugh at our stupid
complaints & suggestions...)
"-¦-R?b?rto¤" <~*u-¦-e-¦@l¤ess.com> wrote in message
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-¦-R€b€rto¤
>I can dream...
>
>-Jason (I guess Lectro participates in RAMPS just to laugh at our stupid
>complaints & suggestions...)
i give up.
R
wildt®ax
the colour is more than stupid für film work and LED´s on a film mic
is also a rather silly idea.
I won´t buy it till it´s either black non-refelctant und nextel.
frank.
-¦-R€b€rto¤ schrieb:
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out and buy it (yeah... I love the Schoeps sound). But I'm with you,
Charlie, the color is not condusive to the set, and now that I hear of
the finish problem, more reasons to wait. As for the on-board
controls, very nice for the ENG mixer. Its light weight (3.5oz) is
what really got me intersted (much lighter than my CS-3e). But I
decided against it considering I love the sound of my Sanken CS-3e's
(although they scratch relatively easily as well, revealing that
beautiful, heavy, durable brass casing) it has very close specs and
offers superior mid/low rejection. Personally, unless you don't
presently own a quality short shotgun, or your just a Schoeps geek
ready to plunk down $600.00 more for a CMIT-5U over a CS-3e, I am
really at a loss as to why someone would rush out and buy one.
Tom Beach
Ty Ford
(in article <1145035846.9...@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>):
> Exactly! Months ago when the mic came out, first thing I said was that
> the colour is more than stupid für film work and LED´s on a film mic
> is also a rather silly idea.
>
> I won´t buy it till it´s either black non-refelctant und nextel.
>
> frank.
What's the big deal? Who cares what color it is. The mic's not in the shot.
The LED's? Please.
-¦-R€b€rto¤
>What's the big deal? Who cares what color it is.
Apparently some people care, as you can read.
I also do not have a Pink Boom, and a white Mic Suspension, or White
Mic cables.
I also have Black gloves, a mask, and a dark shirt with sleeves.
Even my Car is dark bleu.
And no, im not into Gothic.
R ( Reflections of the Third Kind )
G. John Garrett, C.A.S
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:30:47 -0400, wildt®ax wrote
> (in article <1145035846.9...@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
>>Exactly! Months ago when the mic came out, first thing I said was that
>>the colour is more than stupid für film work and LED´s on a film mic
>>is also a rather silly idea.
>>
>>I won´t buy it till it´s either black non-refelctant und nextel.
>>
>>frank.
>
>
> What's the big deal? Who cares what color it is. The mic's not in the shot.
> The LED's? Please.
>
> Ty Ford
What's even more offensive are those blue anodized remote zoom controls that
mount on the panhandle. Its damn galling to see on my set, I tell you.
John
Charles Tomaras
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:30:47 -0400, wildt®ax wrote
> (in article <1145035846.9...@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> Exactly! Months ago when the mic came out, first thing I said was that
>> the colour is more than stupid für film work and LED´s on a film mic
>> is also a rather silly idea.
>>
>> I won´t buy it till it´s either black non-refelctant und nextel.
>>
>> frank.
>
> What's the big deal? Who cares what color it is. The mic's not in the
> shot.
> The LED's? Please.
While I think the color is kinda cool, I've had more than one subject talk
about the blue mic and I'd much rather have them not talk about the mic at
all. My real problem is that the metal / finish is very soft and scratches
easily. Even light scratches make it through the blue exterior and appear as
bright shiny metal. I'll take a bit more weight and a harder more durable
surface and material.
Charles Tomaras
"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <j...@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I always suggest to the camera department that they make sure not to
hold those blue zoom controls/pan handles directly over the talent's head on
the frame line.
Philip Perkins
but would rather the mic was a dark color like the one they now use on
their other mics. Sooner or later I'd want to rig it where it WAS in
the shot, and it will be an issue. And Charles is right, in a doco
interview setup the directors want as little distraction from the sound
people as possible, they want the interviewee's attention focused on
the questions they are asking. A blue mic is unusual enough that even
non-tech people will comment on it.
Philip Perkins
Brad Harper
If you're unhappy with the Schoeps I will give you $1200.00 for it with the
scratches.
Brad Harper
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Charles Tomaras
"Brad Harper" <bradharpe...@comcat.net> wrote in message
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> Charlie,
>
> If you're unhappy with the Schoeps I will give you $1200.00 for it with
> the scratches.
>
> Brad Harper
No, go ahead and pay $1800 and scratch one yourself.
G. John Garrett, C.A.S
>
> While I think the color is kinda cool, I've had more than one subject talk
> about the blue mic and I'd much rather have them not talk about the mic at
> all. My real problem is that the metal / finish is very soft and scratches
> easily. Even light scratches make it through the blue exterior and appear as
> bright shiny metal. I'll take a bit more weight and a harder more durable
> surface and material.
So what has Redding Audio had to say about this? I wonder if it was a bad batch
of aluminum; anodization shouldn't scratch off so easily.
John
Charles Tomaras
"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <j...@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
I'll talk to Redding and Schoeps at NAB.
Scott Farr
Ty Ford
(in article <1145120493.1...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>):
> If anyone from Schoeps is listening--I think the blue color is pretty,
> but would rather the mic was a dark color like the one they now use on
> their other mics. Sooner or later I'd want to rig it where it WAS in
> the shot, and it will be an issue.
It's a blue mic, big deal. If it's in the shot it's in the shot. There are
usually WAY more distracting things in an "au natural" frame than a blue mic.
And Charles is right, in a doco
> interview setup the directors want as little distraction from the sound
> people as possible, they want the interviewee's attention focused on
> the questions they are asking. A blue mic is unusual enough that even
> non-tech people will comment on it.
>
> Philip Perkins
5 will get you 10 the only people who'll notice it is the sound guy and crew.
The folks on camera don't have a clue.
Eight months from now, the color won't be an issue. We'll forget about it.
If the CMIT were a mic to be seen on camera, they wouldn't have made it blue.
It's not SHOCKING BLUE, it's just blue. Fagedda bout it.
-¦-R€b€rto¤
>Eight months from now, the color won't be an issue. We'll forget about it.
No way :-) . i suggest anyone who does not like it, email Schoeps, I'm
sure they understand the complaints.
R
Charles Tomaras
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:01:33 -0400, Philip Perkins wrote
> (in article <1145120493.1...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> If anyone from Schoeps is listening--I think the blue color is pretty,
>> but would rather the mic was a dark color like the one they now use on
>> their other mics. Sooner or later I'd want to rig it where it WAS in
>> the shot, and it will be an issue.
>
> It's a blue mic, big deal. If it's in the shot it's in the shot. There are
> usually WAY more distracting things in an "au natural" frame than a blue
> mic.
>
> And Charles is right, in a doco
>> interview setup the directors want as little distraction from the sound
>> people as possible, they want the interviewee's attention focused on
>> the questions they are asking. A blue mic is unusual enough that even
>> non-tech people will comment on it.
>>
>> Philip Perkins
>
> 5 will get you 10 the only people who'll notice it is the sound guy and
> crew.
> The folks on camera don't have a clue.
Well Ty....you owe me some money because I've already had two interview
subjects comment on it and I may even have one of the comments during the
interview sitting on my hard drive right now if I can find it out of three
days of shooting.
>
> Eight months from now, the color won't be an issue. We'll forget about it.
>
> If the CMIT were a mic to be seen on camera, they wouldn't have made it
> blue.
> It's not SHOCKING BLUE, it's just blue. Fagedda bout it.
>
> Ty Ford
>
>
>
>
> -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
> audiocentric
> stuff are at www.tyford.com
>
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Philip Perkins
No, you're wrong. It's a distraction. Maybe not a big one, but one
none the less. People still comment all the time on Rycote windrats,
they comment on the tinyness of B6s, they ask if my longer fishpoles
are heavy etc.. I can't do anything about those things, but I can wait
for Schoeps to come out with a neutral colored CMIT. I hope they do.
Philip Perkins
Charles Tomaras
"Philip Perkins" <spam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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From a personal standpoint and from a crew/production standpoint I like
having a blue mic because they all notice I've got a new piece of gear and I
can talk about how great it is, yadda yadaa, and use it for a little PR. But
from a distraction standpoint it really does stand out and draw some
attention from the interview subjects which is counter to what we want
during interviews. It's not a show stopper but I do think Schoeps should
rethink the finish a bit and come up with something more neutral and most
importantly more durable. I also have a white Rycote furry that was given to
me at a trade show a number of years ago by the good folks at TAI. I've used
it once in 8 years as a lark on a shoot during a snowstorm. Other than
that...it's too big a distraction to pull out of the bag.
G. John Garrett, C.A.S
>
> Well Ty....you owe me some money because I've already had two interview
> subjects comment on it and I may even have one of the comments during the
> interview sitting on my hard drive right now if I can find it out of three
> days of shooting.
I still fail to see how this is a problem. Have you ever heard an interview
subject say "that light/reflector/sun sure is BRIGHT." No kidding. People say
all kinds of things in novel situations, that's hardly news. Or do they just
call you a dork for having a blue mic? Not much you can do about that either.
John
Charles Tomaras
"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <j...@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
It not a huge problem but it is a consideration when a good deal of the
producers out there feel a boom on a stand is intrusive to begin with and
would rather I use a lav. I don't think you ever would consider ordering
bright blue or pink windscreens for a mic you were gonna hang over the head
of an interview subject. I just see no need to go with a less than neutral
color. Is it because they feel they need to compete with Blue Microphones or
something. What next, the Schoeps Blue Ball Mic?
David Waelder
"Charles Tomaras" <tom...@tomaras.com> wrote:
> It not a huge problem but it is a consideration when a good deal of the
> producers out there feel a boom on a stand is intrusive to begin with and
> would rather I use a lav.
It is a very flashy blue. But isn't it normally in a gray foam windscreen
that only leaves about 2 inches near the connector exposed?
David Waelder
Ty Ford
(in article <11451995...@sp6iad.superfeed.net>):
>
> "Ty Ford" <tyre...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8ZKdnbdZ_Kq...@comcast.com...
>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:01:33 -0400, Philip Perkins wrote
>> (in article <1145120493.1...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>> If anyone from Schoeps is listening--I think the blue color is pretty,
>>> but would rather the mic was a dark color like the one they now use on
>>> their other mics. Sooner or later I'd want to rig it where it WAS in
>>> the shot, and it will be an issue.
>>
>> It's a blue mic, big deal. If it's in the shot it's in the shot. There are
>> usually WAY more distracting things in an "au natural" frame than a blue
>> mic.
>>
>> And Charles is right, in a doco
>>> interview setup the directors want as little distraction from the sound
>>> people as possible, they want the interviewee's attention focused on
>>> the questions they are asking. A blue mic is unusual enough that even
>>> non-tech people will comment on it.
>>>
>>> Philip Perkins
>>
>> 5 will get you 10 the only people who'll notice it is the sound guy and
>> crew.
>> The folks on camera don't have a clue.
>
>
> Well Ty....you owe me some money because I've already had two interview
> subjects comment on it and I may even have one of the comments during the
> interview sitting on my hard drive right now if I can find it out of three
> days of shooting.
Did they stop talking and run away in fear from the big Blue Microphone?
Ty
Ty Ford
(in article <F4idnVf7GazbLd_Z...@comcast.com>):
Jesus Charlie, have you gone soft up there. The sound person's credo, use it.
If you need help John Garrett and Bruno Strapko do excellent renditions.
Regards,
Ty
Charles Tomaras
"David Waelder" <davidwa...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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You'd think that wouldn't draw attention but it does. Hell I sent a low rez
camera phone picture of an interview setup to a producer friend the other
day and he replied..."What's with the blue mic?" Like I said...my REAL beef
is that it's not a durable finish. My nextel gray CMC's have been to hell
and back for many years and they look great. Three days on the job with the
CMIT and it's got a number of little hairline scratches.
Ty Ford
(in article <1145204950.5...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
No Phil I'm NOT wrong and you've proven me right by your litany of other
conversational points. They're talking to you because you happen to be there.
They need a topic other than the weather.
But thanks for playing. :)
G. John Garrett, C.A.S
>
> It not a huge problem but it is a consideration when a good deal of the
> producers out there feel a boom on a stand is intrusive to begin with and
> would rather I use a lav. I don't think you ever would consider ordering
> bright blue or pink windscreens for a mic you were gonna hang over the head
> of an interview subject. I just see no need to go with a less than neutral
> color. Is it because they feel they need to compete with Blue Microphones or
> something. What next, the Schoeps Blue Ball Mic?
>
>
I didn't see your earlier post, which answered most of my questions, sorry.
Schoeps does make light grey windgags, so watch it out there....
jg
Brad Harper
Slow down and be careful dude.
I bet most mics would show some wear if you scrape them against the metal
edges of a PSC Universal mount.
My Schoeps CMIT5 lives in a Rycote rig. Several years ago I switched the
Rycote clips to K-Tek bands. If any of you haven't tried this you really
should. It greatly reduced the handeling noise and will not scratch mics
like the Rycote clips. I was getting scratches on Nextel finish Schoeps like
crazy from the Rycotes.
Brad Harper
"Charles Tomaras" <tom...@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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> Got the new Schoeps shotgun and I really love it's sound and pattern but I
> have to say that the metal finish scratches VERY easily. If you even
> lightly scrape it to metal while putting it into a mount like the PSC
> Universal you will scratch it. The blue finish is not durable or the metal
> is too soft...either way, this mic is gonna look very used after a short
> while of real world use. I'm going to hang on to it because it's a great
> mic, but Schoeps screwed up with the blue finish and light weight metal
> which is going to show every blemish. I'd prefer if they made it in a
> Nextel Gray with the same coating as their CMC G series which has been
> remarkably resilient over the years.
>
> Charles Tomaras
> Seattle, WA
>
Charles Tomaras
> Charlie,
>
> Slow down and be careful dude.
> I bet most mics would show some wear if you scrape them against the metal
> edges of a PSC Universal mount.
> My Schoeps CMIT5 lives in a Rycote rig. Several years ago I switched the
> Rycote clips to K-Tek bands. If any of you haven't tried this you really
> should. It greatly reduced the handeling noise and will not scratch mics
> like the Rycote clips. I was getting scratches on Nextel finish Schoeps
> like crazy from the Rycotes.
>
> Brad Harper
Brad,
I've used Schoeps CMC6's with Nextel for many many years in the same PSC
Universal mounts with the same degree of care and there are no scratches on
them that reveal bright shiny metal beneath the finish. The CMIT's
relatively soft aluminum shell and the anodized finish are not nearly as
scratch resistant as the finishes of any other mic I have ever owned. When I
mentioned the scratches to Buzz Turner at the NAB show he was surprised to
walk with me over to the PSC booth and see "his" one day old mint display
model scratched already as well. I did pick up a new K-Tek all rubber mount
at the show and there have been no scratches since then. I'm considering
seeing if there is a way to coat my PSC mounts with latex. Henceforth, I'll
handle the CMIT with kid gloves....but I'd trade a little more weight for a
more durable finish if it were offered.
Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA
Brad Harper
consideration for their own production. If you already own Rycote 4-point
suspensions you can buy the K-Tek bands for $20.00 that fit right on the
Rycotes. They really do cut down on handling noise.
Brad
hank alrich
> The latex coating sounds like a great idea. PSC might even take that into
> consideration for their own production. If you already own Rycote 4-point
> suspensions you can buy the K-Tek bands for $20.00 that fit right on the
> Rycotes. They really do cut down on handling noise.
Who's a good source for those?
--
ha
John Blankenship
John Blankenship
Ty Ford
(in article <zuednZCE0dx...@comcast.com>):
Think of it this way Charlie. Every scratch means it's even lighter.
Regards,