Did Nudity Ever Destroy a Career?
starcro1
Elizabeth McGovern's film career started to decline when she appeared
topless in "Ragtime." I disagree. McGovern did many other successful films
after that, appearing nude in some and not in others. I think a willingness
to do nude scenes cannot hurt a good actress and it cannot help a poor one.
Jamie Lee Curtiss was pigeonholed as a horror-film "Scream Queen" until (if
I remember this correctly) she performed her first nude scenes in "Trading
Places," a film that showcased her ability to be funny more than it
exploited her body. Curtiss's career took off after that, and she continued
to get more varied roles.
But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made after,
say, 1960?
Bob
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Steve Oldham
>But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
>actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made after,
>say, 1960?
.
.Unless the film is pornographic, no. As I said before, I think just
the opposite. If a leading lady/love interest type actress absolutely
refuses to at least go topless she is jeopardizing her future in
movies. An exception would be Streep but I can't think of any others
off the top of my head (from the last 10 or 15 years).
.
.This is my impression of the state of things but maybe someone sees
it differently.
.
.Steve
Ravensr97
>actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made after,
>say, 1960?
Elizabeth Berkely definently. She was a big up and comer, what with her
success on the highly touted teen drama "Saved by the Bell", then Showgirls
killed her promising career.
Geoff
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>>>actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made after,
>>>say, 1960?
>>.Unless the film is pornographic, no. As I said before, I think just
>>the opposite. If a leading lady/love interest type actress absolutely
>>refuses to at least go topless she is jeopardizing her future in
>>movies. An exception would be Streep but I can't think of any others
>>off the top of my head (from the last 10 or 15 years).
>>.
>>.This is my impression of the state of things but maybe someone sees
>>it differently.
I would add Streisand to that list.
Regards,
Geoff "not that she's in a class with Streep."
"Uncertainty is the normal state.
You're nobody special."
--Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead, Tom Stoppard
John Harkness
>>But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
>>actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made after,
>>say, 1960?
>
>Elizabeth Berkely definently. She was a big up and comer, what with her
>success on the highly touted teen drama "Saved by the Bell", then Showgirls
>killed her promising career.
Nope. What killed her career -- and she's still working, BTW, was the
badness of the movie and bad advice. Gina Gershon, who was just as
naked in the same really bad movie, had signed for her next three
pictures before anyone had seen Showgirls. Berkley's agent at the time
said "wait for the movie to open -- it'll drive your price up."
Berkely was NOT a big up and comer -- Saved by the Bell was not a
highly touted teen drama, but a mediocre, inexplicably popular teen
COMEDY -- and whatever happened to Lark Voorhees, anyway?
If Showgirls had been a hit, or if she'd done the smart thing and
signed to do other pictures before people knew what a stinker
Showgirls is, then it would've been a glitch in her career, not a
crushing blow.
John Harkness
DD
their "body shot" scenes. Julia Roberts used one in "Pretty Woman".
The body double woman did the television talk show circuit a year or so
after "Pretty Woman" was released and revealed that this camera
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> But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
> actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made after,
> say, 1960?
Julie Andrews? Don't know that her career was particularly healthy at
that point, though, nor was SOB highly regarded.
Wull
"And God Created Woman"
Wull
Wull
At the time it appeared, it caused a sensation and a new star.
I did not even know that it had been remade with DeMornay. Was she an unknown
like Bardot?
Bardot has turned into a kook.
Wull
starcro1 wrote:
> Wull <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
> news:3995DA16...@datarecall.net...
> > I don't know of one that ruined a career but I know one that made a
> career.
> >
> > "And God Created Woman"
>
> Are you talking about the 1960 version starring Brigitte Bardot? Or the 1988
> remake with Rebecca DeMornay?
Paul Kunkel
>
>But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
>actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made after,
>say, 1960?
About ten or fifteen years ago, I read an article about Hayley
Mills. It seems that she showed her caboose in "The Family Way." (The
version I saw must have been edited for television, because I do not
remember it.) The author implied that this had a major impact on her
career, that she lost many of her loyal fans, especially among the
English. I think Disney Studios may have eighty-sixed her too.
I do not doubt that some people were upset, but a child star can
expect some sort of career transition at age twenty anyway. She has
not been a major box office draw since then, but she has been working.
Kunkel
El Dorado
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>
> But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
> actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made
after,
> say, 1960?
>
>
If appearing in the nude ever destroyed a promising film career, I think
that's a damn shame. But the one actress whose name does come to mind is
Juliet Mills. She went topless in a scene for Billy Wilder's "Avanti" in
1972, right after starring as the squeaky-clean nanny in TV's "Nanny and the
Professor."
I can't think of a single major American film Juliet appeared in, after
"Avanti."
Dan Navarro
Mack Twamley
> Definitely Brigitte Bardot.
>
> At the time it appeared, it caused a sensation and a new star.
>
> I did not even know that it had been remade with DeMornay. Was she an
unknown
> like Bardot?
> Bardot has turned into a kook.
>
> Wull
Is an animal-rights advocate always described as a kook? I think Bardot
makes perfectly good sense and I admire the way she uses her long-gone
celebrity to advance her positions in re animal rights.
Maureen Goldman
> About ten or fifteen years ago, I read an article about Hayley
> Mills. It seems that she showed her caboose in "The Family Way." (The
> version I saw must have been edited for television, because I do not
> remember it.) The author implied that this had a major impact on her
> career, that she lost many of her loyal fans, especially among the
> English. I think Disney Studios may have eighty-sixed her too.
I believe Hayley Mills' career ebbed, first of all, because like many
child stars, no one wanted to see her grow up. I don't know if there
was any nudity in The Family Way, but the subject was a young married
couple living with the parents of one, no privacy, etc.
More than that, though, Mills became involved with Roy Boulting,
something like 30 years her senior, married with six kids (eventually
Mills' husband). I think that in the minds of many fans, child stars
are "supposed" to grow up to be something like the characters they
played, and this was a bit much.
Steve Oldham
> Parker's career doesn't seem to be suffering by her refusal to do
>nudity. In fact, it's gotten her quite a bit of valuable publicity; Parker's
>position on nudity is certain to be mentioned in any article written about
>her or her show.
.
.I didn't know she took this stand (I don't have cable) but I wonder
if it explains her obsession with sex and sexual innuendo on every
talk show that I've seen her on. It's as if she's trying to counter
her 'no-nudity' image with an ultra sexual one.
.
.She really doesn't have much of a movie career does she? Maybe her
stand has taken it's toll.
.
.Steve
starcro1
starcro1
Steve Oldham <stev...@rocsoft.net> wrote in message
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> >actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made
after,
> >say, 1960?
> .Unless the film is pornographic, no. As I said before, I think just
> the opposite. If a leading lady/love interest type actress absolutely
> refuses to at least go topless she is jeopardizing her future in
> movies. An exception would be Streep but I can't think of any others
> off the top of my head (from the last 10 or 15 years).
> .
> .This is my impression of the state of things but maybe someone sees
> it differently.
> .Steve
This brings us to a part of the discussion I neglected to add to the
original post. A few weeks ago, The New York Times Magazine published a
roundtable discussion in which new and established film actresses discussed
the business politics involved in appearing nude onscreen. The summit was
the idea of Rosie Perez, who said she had to re-evaluate her attitude on
performing nude after she married. Perez had to discuss the matter with her
teen-age stepchild after the child found naked film stills of Perez on the
Internet.
The discussion group included Perez, Sandra Bernhard, and notably, Sarah
Jessica Parker. Parker flatly refuses to perform nude scenes, depite the
fact that she stars in a TV series, HBO's "Sex and the City," the main
subject matter of which is the enthusiastic pursuit of nonmarital sex. At
least one of Parker's co-stars on the series, inlcuding Kim Cattrall, do
nude scenes in every episode.
Parker's career doesn't seem to be suffering by her refusal to do
nudity. In fact, it's gotten her quite a bit of valuable publicity; Parker's
position on nudity is certain to be mentioned in any article written about
her or her show.
Just for future grist:
Perez said she felt exploited the first time she did a nude scene, in Spike
Lee's "Do the Right Thing." She said the reason her face isn't shown in that
scene is because she had tears in her eyes. But the next time she appeared
nude, in Ron Shelton's "White Men Can't Jump," Perez said she felt much
better about it, and never minded it again.
Sandra Bernhard, who stripped in front of a bound and gagged Jerry Lewis
in Martin Scorsese's "The King of Comedy," said she felt empowered by
performing nude. She also pointed out that she doesn't have Rosie Perez's
voluptuous figure, and is less likely to inspire sexual thoughts in other
people. I figure that Bernard considers it a triumph if she can get people
interested in looking at her body.
John Harkness
wrote:
>Definitely Brigitte Bardot.
>
>At the time it appeared, it caused a sensation and a new star.
>
>I did not even know that it had been remade with DeMornay. Was she an unknown
>like Bardot?
>Bardot has turned into a kook.
>
>Wull
>
No -- this was after Risky Business, Trip To Bountiful, and a number
of other films.
John Harkness
t.cruise
wrote:
> About ten or fifteen years ago, I read an article about Hayley
>Mills. It seems that she showed her caboose in "The Family Way." (The
>version I saw must have been edited for television, because I do not
>remember it.) The author implied that this had a major impact on her
>career, that she lost many of her loyal fans, especially among the
>English. I think Disney Studios may have eighty-sixed her too.
>
It wasn't the showing "her caboose" in "The Family Way" that lost her
many of her family oriented Disney fans. It was the fact that she had
a highly publicized affair with the film's director, who was MARRIED,
and 33 years older. After his divorce, they lived together unmarried,
for about 5 years, and then married the year that she gave birth to
her son Crispian.
T.C.
starcro1
> Definitely Brigitte Bardot.
>
> At the time it appeared, it caused a sensation and a new star.
>
> I did not even know that it had been remade with DeMornay. Was she an
unknown
> like Bardot?
> Bardot has turned into a kook.
No, the DeMornay version came after she had established herself in several
major hits. Both films were made by the same director, the late Roger Vadim.
The first one was a masterpiece. The second one was an embarrassment.
>
> Wull
John Harkness
wrote:
>starcro1 <star...@gte.net> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
>> actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made
>after,
>> say, 1960?
>>
>>
>
>If appearing in the nude ever destroyed a promising film career, I think
>that's a damn shame. But the one actress whose name does come to mind is
>Juliet Mills. She went topless in a scene for Billy Wilder's "Avanti" in
>1972, right after starring as the squeaky-clean nanny in TV's "Nanny and the
>Professor."
>
>I can't think of a single major American film Juliet appeared in, after
>"Avanti."
>
>Dan Navarro
>
>
Well, if she'd had a major film career to destroy...
She did work extensively in American television after Avanti, mostly
in mini-series and TV-movies. Looking her up on the imdb, though, I
did discover the interesting fact that, at age 39, in 1980, she
married Maxwell Caulfield, who was all of 21, and they are,
apparently, still married.
John Harkness
starcro1
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> starcro1 <star...@gte.net> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
> > actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made
> after,
> > say, 1960?
> >
> >
>
> If appearing in the nude ever destroyed a promising film career, I think
> that's a damn shame. But the one actress whose name does come to mind is
> Juliet Mills. She went topless in a scene for Billy Wilder's "Avanti" in
> 1972, right after starring as the squeaky-clean nanny in TV's "Nanny and
the
> Professor."
>
> I can't think of a single major American film Juliet appeared in, after
> "Avanti."
>
> Dan Navarro
>
I remember "Avanti." I saw the film, nude scenes intact, on A&E basic cable,
when they were a little more daring than they are now. As I recall, it was
just swimming, only slightly less innocent than Daryl Hannah's nudity in
"Splash."
John Harkness
<stev...@rocsoft.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:25:41 GMT, "starcro1" <star...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>> Parker's career doesn't seem to be suffering by her refusal to do
>>nudity. In fact, it's gotten her quite a bit of valuable publicity; Parker's
>>position on nudity is certain to be mentioned in any article written about
>>her or her show.
>.
>.I didn't know she took this stand (I don't have cable) but I wonder
>if it explains her obsession with sex and sexual innuendo on every
>talk show that I've seen her on. It's as if she's trying to counter
>her 'no-nudity' image with an ultra sexual one.
>.
>.She really doesn't have much of a movie career does she? Maybe her
>stand has taken it's toll.
>.
>.Steve
Well, define, please what you mean by "much of a movie career"
State and Main (2000)
.Isn't She Great (2000) .... Tira Gropman
Dudley Do-Right (1999) .... Nell Fenwick
.'Til There Was You (1997) .... Francesca Lanfield
Mars Attacks! (1996) .... Nathalie Lake
Extreme Measures (1996) .... Jodie Trammel
Substance of Fire, The (1996) .... Sarah Geldhart
If Lucy Fell (1996) .... Lucy Ackerman
First Wives Club, The (1996) .... Shelly Stewart
Miami Rhapsody (1995) .... Gwyn Marcus
Ed Wood (1994) .... Dolores Fuller
Striking Distance (1993) .... Jo Christman/Det. Emily Harper
Hocus Pocus (1993) .... Sarah Sanderson
Honeymoon in Vegas (1992) .... Betsy/Donna
.L.A. Story (1991) .... SanDeE*
Seven of those films are leads, and her supporting performances --
SanDeD in LA Story, or Dolores Fuller, the worst actress in the known
universe, in Ed Wood, tend to be memorable.
That's not a bad decade.
John Harkness
Steve Oldham
wrote:
>Well, define, please what you mean by "much of a movie career"
.
.I shouldn't have phrased it like that because she has a movie career
that 99% of actors would kill for. What I meant was, she hasn't
punched through to the upper strata, when at one time, it seemed she
would.
.
.Steve
Dean Eaton
in her career. It has always seemed that there's enormous pressure on women
in film to expolit their beauty and either perform nudity or explicit sex
scenes. It's always an uphill climb for him/her afterwards, unless they give
in to the exploitative/voyeuristic nature of the medium. There are women who
manage to make nudity a major element in heir careers, mostly in the direct
to video erotic thriller market (Joan Severance, Shannons Tweed and Whirry,
etc.) But are they actresses?
This is a very complicated issue, isn't it? I wish that some actor/actress
who drops into this group to check us out (and some do, I'm sure) would post
some anonymous thoughts. It would be interesting to hear their take on all
this.
Dnews:anbdps4ccio1ucmv5...@4ax.com...
Tom Cervo
the remake of "The Postman Always Rings Twice", until they told her how much
nudity would be expected from her.
Fine, she said, just as long as Jack Nicholson is just as nude.
So Jessica Lange got the part instead.
no...@webtv.net
In fact ... it presaged it.
---
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. .. .. .. ..
Brent McKee
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>
> "Wull" <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
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> > Definitely Brigitte Bardot.
> >
> > At the time it appeared, it caused a sensation and a new star.
> >
> > I did not even know that it had been remade with DeMornay. Was she an
> unknown
> > like Bardot?
> > Bardot has turned into a kook.
> >
> > Wull
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Is an animal-rights advocate always described as a kook? I think Bardot
> makes perfectly good sense and I admire the way she uses her long-gone
> celebrity to advance her positions in re animal rights.
Wull didn't specify that Bardot was a kook because of her advocacy of
animal rights. _I_ think she is because of the extremes that she has taken
it to (after her first trip against the Newfoundland seal hunt she took
home two baby seals which she put into her swimming pool in the south of
France). However what has cemented Bardot's status as a kook or worse for
me is her advocacy of right wing anti-immigrant causes in France. She is
married to a National Assembly member from Jean-Marie Le Pen's party and
has publicly stated that immigrants to France smell and should be sent back
to where they came from or worse. in my book being more concerned for the
rights of animals than other humans makes her a kook.
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starcro1
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Mozart. There are a lot of sources I go to for political insight and wisdom.
Movie stars aren't excluded, but they aren't the first place I'd look,
either.
Jeremy Billones
Steve Oldham <stev...@rocsoft.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:36:46 GMT, "starcro1" <star...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>>actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made after,
>>say, 1960?
>
>the opposite. If a leading lady/love interest type actress absolutely
>refuses to at least go topless she is jeopardizing her future in
>movies. An exception would be Streep but I can't think of any others
>off the top of my head (from the last 10 or 15 years).
Neve Campbell apparently has an iron clad no-nudity clause in her contracts.
(It must be -- she got thought "Wild Things" with her clothes on, after all :)
OTOH, while she's had a steady, 2-3 film a year career, she's certainly
not an A-list actress.
--
Jeremy Billones
Donny: "We were on the original _Hollywood Squares_, you know."
Marie: "We *are* the original Hollywood Squares."
Tom Cervo
>me is her advocacy of right wing anti-immigrant causes in France. She is
>married to a National Assembly member from Jean-Marie Le Pen's party and
>has publicly stated that immigrants to France smell and should be sent back
>to where they came from or worse. in my book being more concerned for the
>rights of animals than other humans makes her a kook.
>
>--
What makes Bardot look even more like a has-been is Isabelle Adjani's
forthright defence of the same immigrants--she regards herself as one, and
probably did herself harm at the box office by being so public about it. But
she probably is happier knowing that those bigots are staying away from her
films.
Feuillade
doornail.
Tom Moran
"He's probably the least qualified person ever to be nominated by a major
party... What is his accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?"
-- Ron Reagan Jr. on George W. Bush
starcro1
Jeremy Billones <bill...@Radix.Net> wrote in message
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> In article <0u4bpsslqctdkf3g5...@4ax.com>,
> Steve Oldham <stev...@rocsoft.net> wrote:
> >On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:36:46 GMT, "starcro1" <star...@gte.net> wrote:
> >
> >>But I'm willing to listen to reason. Can anyone name a known, talented
> >>actress whose career was damaged by her appearing nude in a film made
after,
> >>say, 1960?
> >
> >Unless the film is pornographic, no. As I said before, I think just
> >the opposite. If a leading lady/love interest type actress absolutely
> >refuses to at least go topless she is jeopardizing her future in
> >movies. An exception would be Streep but I can't think of any others
> >off the top of my head (from the last 10 or 15 years).
>
> Neve Campbell apparently has an iron clad no-nudity clause in her
contracts.
> (It must be -- she got thought "Wild Things" with her clothes on, after
all :)
> OTOH, while she's had a steady, 2-3 film a year career, she's certainly
> not an A-list actress.
If she does 2 to 3 films a year, and gets her name above the title at least
once a year, she's A-list.
Sawfish
>Brent McKee <bSm...@the.link.caN> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> Mack Twamley <mack...@inland.net> wrote in article
>> <8n58mn$dpr$1...@delphi.ridgenet.net>...
>> >
>> > "Wull" <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
>> > news:3995FBD8...@datarecall.net...
>> > > Definitely Brigitte Bardot.
>> > >
>> > > At the time it appeared, it caused a sensation and a new star.
>> > >
>> > > I did not even know that it had been remade with DeMornay. Was she an
>> > unknown
>> > > like Bardot?
>> > > Bardot has turned into a kook.
>> > >
>> > > Wull
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Is an animal-rights advocate always described as a kook? I think Bardot
>> > makes perfectly good sense and I admire the way she uses her long-gone
>> > celebrity to advance her positions in re animal rights.
>>
>> Wull didn't specify that Bardot was a kook because of her advocacy of
>> animal rights. _I_ think she is because of the extremes that she has
>taken
>> it to (after her first trip against the Newfoundland seal hunt she took
>> home two baby seals which she put into her swimming pool in the south of
>> France). However what has cemented Bardot's status as a kook or worse for
>> me is her advocacy of right wing anti-immigrant causes in France. She is
>> married to a National Assembly member from Jean-Marie Le Pen's party and
>> has publicly stated that immigrants to France smell and should be sent
>back
>> to where they came from or worse. in my book being more concerned for the
>> rights of animals than other humans makes her a kook.
>>
>> --
>When I want ice cream, I go to Baskin-Robbins. When I want music, I go to
>Mozart. There are a lot of sources I go to for political insight and wisdom.
>Movie stars aren't excluded, but they aren't the first place I'd look,
>either.
I'd excluded them categorically. I'd make each and every one of them who
wants to tell me just how urgent and important their pet cause du jour is,
and just how wrong I am for being indifferent to it, pass a very high
level of proof with regards to the "facts" on which they rely.
In short, it's the same as I'd do for most other folks, but most other
folks don't have as many pet causes, nor are they so emotionally attached
to them. I'd guess that it's an occupational hazard: responding
emotionally to a situation so strongly that it doesn't matter if the
situation has any basis in reality or not. An actor's canvas is his/her
emotional range. They play that range as a part of their profession. I see
very few who can put that response aside and make decisions based upon
logical analysis.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. But give a man a boat,
a case of beer, and a few sticks of dynamite..." -- Sawfish
Jeremy Billones
starcro1 <star...@gte.net> wrote:
>Jeremy Billones <bill...@Radix.Net> wrote in message
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>> contracts. (It must be -- she got thought "Wild Things" with her
>> clothes on, after all :)
>> OTOH, while she's had a steady, 2-3 film a year career, she's
>> certainly not an A-list actress.
>
>If she does 2 to 3 films a year, and gets her name above the title at least
>once a year, she's A-list.
No, that's the B-list, *especially* if that "once a year" is a "B" movie.
No A-lister would be caught dead in a film if they weren't above the title.
Micca A
appearing in Behind the Green Door destroyed Marilyn Chambers' career.
For those not old enough to remember, Chambers was the spokeswoman for
Ivory Soap and had a promising career as the "all-American housewife
next door" before she made the famous porn flic. Ivory and every one
else dropped her in a heartbeat, and she would up being known as a porn
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airborne and it is quite clear that she is wearing nada underneath. I have
heard that the wide circulation of this still caused Fox to cancel her
contract.
Gene Stavis, School of Visual Arts - NYC
t.cruise
<engprof10...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
>While it was not strictly nudity (more like nudity and group sex),
>appearing in Behind the Green Door destroyed Marilyn Chambers' career.
>For those not old enough to remember, Chambers was the spokeswoman for
>Ivory Soap and had a promising career as the "all-American housewife
>next door" before she made the famous porn flic. Ivory and every one
>else dropped her in a heartbeat, and she would up being known as a porn
>queen instead of a legit actress.
>
Au contraire, Marilyn Chambers was an unknown, with little talent, and
a resume which had the Ivory Snow ad as its biggest item. "Behind the
Green Door" made her a household name, albeit not in legitimate
cinema. Because of her appearance in that film, she has had a
lucrative career, spanning the decades, doing porn videos, and many
softcore films, which constantly show up on premium cable channels.
AND, she's still going strong.
T.C.
Helen & Bob
Micca A wrote:
> While it was not strictly nudity (more like nudity and group sex),
> appearing in Behind the Green Door destroyed Marilyn Chambers' career.
> For those not old enough to remember, Chambers was the spokeswoman for
> Ivory Soap and had a promising career as the "all-American housewife
> next door" before she made the famous porn flic. Ivory and every one
> else dropped her in a heartbeat, and she would up being known as a porn
> queen instead of a legit actress.
>
IIRC, Ms. Chambers had been a porn star for a while before she was on the Ivory
box. Question. Has any porn star ever made a successful transition to legit
film/stage?
Bob
John Harkness
This is incorrect. Behind the Green Door was Chambers first adult
film. She was already on the Ivory Snow box.
Ginger Lynn Allen and Traci Lords both moved from porn to legit.
Neither has had what might be called a major career. Allen is the
better actress.
There were also, in the 80s, a number of actors who made occasional
crossovers from adult into mainstream film, usually for roles that
required extensive nudity and/or sex, though occasionally not. (Porn
actor Jamie Gillis has a couple of scenes opposite Lindsay Wagner in
something or other. Harry Reems has some legitimate roles. There are a
number of porn actors in supporting roles in Night of the Juggler and
in Larry Cohen's I, The Jury. ) Let's see, Veronica Hart plays the
family court judge in Boogie Nights.....
John Harkness
Helen & Bob
John Harkness wrote:
Well, then, that's the answer. Yes, some have.
Bob
t.cruise
<chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>IIRC, Ms. Chambers had been a porn star for a while before she was on the Ivory
>box. Question. Has any porn star ever made a successful transition to legit
>film/stage?
>Bob
>
Although not a huge star in legit films, Traci Lords did make the
transition from porn to legit. Then of course there's Sylvester
Stallone's first film (1970) "Italian Stallion," aka "Party at Kitty
and Stud's," which was porn, and he made the transition to legit...
T.C.
Maureen Goldman
I've seen footage of Maureen O'Sullivan nude when she was making the
Tarzan films, but I'm not clear on whether this footage was used or if
that aspect was hidden discreetly in the released films via
strategically-placed fronds or whatever. There was also a fairly
lengthy swimming scene photographed under water. Apparently it was
impractical for her to wear clothing for these scenes, and O'Sullivan
didn't mind stripping off for the part. It's been a very long time
since I've seen the films themselves, and the only impression that I
retain is that Tarzan and Jane both looked happy and carefree..
No career damage, obviously.
John Harkness
wrote:
But softcore, which isn't the same thing at all.
John Harkness
Geoff
Harkness) deposited this nugget in this here newsgroup
>>>IIRC, Ms. Chambers had been a porn star for a while before she was on the Ivory
>>>box. Question. Has any porn star ever made a successful transition to legit
>>>film/stage?
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>This is incorrect. Behind the Green Door was Chambers first adult
>>film. She was already on the Ivory Snow box.
That statement is correct. Procter & God dropped her in a
hurry. But it took a good while to get all those boxes of
soap off the shelves. ") I wonder what one of those would
fetch on eBay these days?
>>Ginger Lynn Allen and Traci Lords both moved from porn to legit.
>>Neither has had what might be called a major career. Allen is the
>>better actress.
Agreed on which is better, though I'd be more willing to
call Lords' career successful than Allen's.
>>There were also, in the 80s, a number of actors who made occasional
>>crossovers from adult into mainstream film, usually for roles that
>>required extensive nudity and/or sex, though occasionally not. (Porn
>>actor Jamie Gillis has a couple of scenes opposite Lindsay Wagner in
>>something or other. Harry Reems has some legitimate roles. There are a
>>number of porn actors in supporting roles in Night of the Juggler and
>>in Larry Cohen's I, The Jury. ) Let's see, Veronica Hart plays the
>>family court judge in Boogie Nights.....
Current porn star Rocco Siffredi had a "legitimate" role in
a French film called Romance. A very sexual role, to say
the least (it's a very, very sexual movie, but not at all
what I would call pornography). He did very well in it, in
my not so humble opinion, though he was obviously playing a
character very close to himself.
The only current porn actor besides Rocco that I've seen
(and I really don't watch all that much porn) who could
possibly pursue a legit career would be John Dough...I
thought his acting in Latex was quite passable. Some of
these folks have been at it so long that they've actually
learned a few things. Most of the women, though, I'm sorry
to say, are pretty hopeless. They do sex nicely, but can't
act their way out of condom.
Regards,
Geoff "But, hell, I'd cast them in the right part."
"Uncertainty is the normal state.
You're nobody special."
--Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead, Tom Stoppard
Tom Cervo
>Ivory Soap and had a promising career as the "all-American housewife
>next door" before she made the famous porn flic. Ivory and every one
>else dropped her in a heartbeat, and she would up being known as a porn
>queen instead of a legit actress.
>
"Rabid"--low budget, but then most of his early stuff was. Had she the talent,
she would have had the cred.
Tom Cervo
silent film actress doing porn. It goes past nudity to soft core, yet it her
career flourishes. She may not be a star, but she's usually the best thing
onscreen in any of her films.
If you're talented enough, you can do anything.
t.cruise
wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:55:28 GMT, t__c...@hotmail.com (t.cruise)
>wrote:
>>Although not a huge star in legit films, Traci Lords did make the
>>transition from porn to legit. Then of course there's Sylvester
>>Stallone's first film (1970) "Italian Stallion," aka "Party at Kitty
>>and Stud's," which was porn, and he made the transition to legit...
>>
>>T.C.
>
>But softcore, which isn't the same thing at all.
>
>John Harkness
The stills I have show Sly standing with an erection, in front of a
spread eagled woman, about to penetrate her. That doesn't seem
softcore to me...
T.C.
starcro1
Micca A <engprof10...@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:0a288596...@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com...
> While it was not strictly nudity (more like nudity and group sex),
> appearing in Behind the Green Door destroyed Marilyn Chambers' career.
> Ivory Soap and had a promising career as the "all-American housewife
> next door" before she made the famous porn flic. Ivory and every one
> else dropped her in a heartbeat, and she would up being known as a porn
> queen instead of a legit actress.
>
Chambers was not a spokeswoman for Ivory Soap. She posed, holding a baby,
for the box art for Ivory Snow, a laundry detergent made for cloth diapers.
As such, she was presented as an ideal vision of yougn motherhood. But her
representation of the product was limited to being among the countless
nameless models who appear on product labels. I'm sure when she applied for
the job, nobody said "You'll be representing Ivory. Are you 99.44% pure?"
Opencity
in "Promises! Promises!" It only sped up the skidding.
Tom Cervo
>for the box art for Ivory Snow, a laundry detergent made for cloth diapers.
>As such, she was presented as an ideal vision of yougn motherhood.
Who remembers the deodorant commercials Diane Keaton made, just before "The
Godfather"? She was in running shorts and top, which made their appearance in
the Mad magazine Godfather parody--which seen today, in anthologies, doubtless
is a complete mystery to anyone who wasn't around in 1973.
There's a lot of people who made similar commercial impact, and who disappeared
afterwards, unlike Keaton--and Chambers.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Actually, it was my understanding that Maureen O'Sullivan used a body double
for the underwater swimming sequence. I seem to remember that the woman did the
underwater swimming was an Olympic or other kind of champion swimmer. Or am I
wrong?
No question though that Maureen was herself on display when she surfaces, to
say nothing of those revealing jungle aprons she wears.
The nudity, near-nudity, and the overt eroticism was quickly tamped down for
the remainder of that series. Jane's apron and halter, for example, metamorphed
into a slightly frumpy mini-dress, whereas post-Jane Tarzan even affected
little furry shoes eventually.
But O'Sullivan had the advantage of being a fine movie actress. She had
presence, a wonderful voice, a beautiful carriage, elegance, beauty, and all
the rest. A little t&a wasn't going to harm that.
Frank in Seattle
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
fr...@aol.com; http://members.aol.com/frajm/
"All over the room throats were being strained and minds broadened."
-- P. G. Wodehouse, Piccadilly Jim
ros...@westworld.com
> I've seen footage of Maureen O'Sullivan nude when she was making the
> Tarzan films,
> No career damage, obviously.
Frank Westmore from the famous Westmore makeup family writes in his book
"The Westmores of Hollywood" that he was working on one of the Tarzan
films with Maureen. He mentions nothing in regard to Maureen's makeup,
but, he really had to use his ingenuity on Chita the Chimp!!
It seams as though when Maureen was on the set, Chita got excited and they
could not photograph him that way, so Frank Westmore created a little pair
of furry pants for Chita so that his excitement wouldn't be obvious on
film!!!
Rosanne
MELISSA E VAUGHAN
working as a chorus girl in New York. They surfaced later, and she denied
they were her, but MGM bought all of the copies. Legend goes, there was one
owner that refused to sell, and mysteriously, the film prints burned, along
with his house.
Tom Cervo
dark-haired woman around 1920.
MELISSA E VAUGHAN
Tapestryhej
Deborah Raffin when he badmouthed her for being unwilling to do a nude love
seen in some J. Susann trash sequel. Big- star- blasts- little- star seems to
have a blacklisting-type effect, and some worthy talents have never recovered
from a diva/divus attack.
More's the shame,
Tapestryhej
OJones7893
>Date: 9/23/00 2:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20000923145441...@ng-cb1.aol.com>
Is "Once Is Not Enough" the movie you're talking about, where Deborah Raffin
played Kirk Douglas' daughter? That was not a bad movie. However, on to what
you were saying, did Kirk Douglas really bad-mouth Deborah Raffin for not doing
a nude scene? Where did you hear this?
If that is true, then I'm a bit surprised. I thought Deborah Raffin did a
fine job in that film. From what I've seen of her, I've always liked her, and
she seemed humble and never full of herself. She was talented, attractive, and
sexy. I've found her much more appealing then the current female movie stars
who are considered sexy - and who are overtly presented as so-called "sex
symbols" (e.g. Campbell, Paltrow, Bullock, and Hurley, et al)
I'm sorry that Kirk Douglas could have had such a bad attitude toward Deborah
Raffin, especially over such a thing. It doesn't take anything away from
Deborah, but it would tend to make Kirk seem a little petty and foolish - if he
really did speak ill of her, particularly for that reason.
ANIM8Rfsk
a nude scene? Where did you hear this? >>
I recall reading this at the time; it was in an interview with Deborah Raffin.
He didn't bad mouth her publicly, he told her to her face he thought she was
making a bad career move.
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