Favorite Nazi
SSS DDD
SS Capt. Malcolm MCDowell The Passage ( 1980 ) " chop, chop. chop "
Kingo Gondo
I like that Gestapo dude in The Great Escape who ejaculates when the
recpatured Big X is brought in:
"Ahhhhh...Herr Bartlett...."
A. Nony Moose
in many B movies of the time)and Conrad Veidt (who is unforgetable as the
vindictive Major Stasser in "Casblanca")
Madara0806
> not SD.....# 2 Conrad Veidt Escape (1940 ) " He can be very cruel " # 1
> SS Capt. Malcolm MCDowell The Passage ( 1980 ) " chop, chop. chop "
Sig Ruman in STALAG 17, the prototype for Sgt. Schultz on "Hogan's
Heroes."
Kingo Gondo
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Was he a "Nazi"? Dubious at best. Let's not confuse Germans with Nazis.
SS, Gestapo--all Nazis
Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, etc.--most, probably not.
Mack A. Damia
Ralph Fiennes, "Schindler's List"
Michael O'Connor
Perhaps the creepiest Nazi I have ever seen was Ronald Lacey in
Raiders of the Lost Ark, the one who burned his hand grabbing the hot
amulet.
Lawrence Olivier in Marathon Man.
calvin
Remembrance. For a while you couldn't be sure if he
was trying to help Jastrow and Natalie or not. He had
a bit of Peter Lorre about him, and as the ambiguity
faded he became creepily sinister.
Stone me
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passionate supporters, who cheered off the troops moving East, who
cheered on hearing Paris had fallen, who were proud of the German
aid, including use of the Stukas in Spain.
A cross-reference can be made of the same people who moaned about
the bombing of Dresden, the rape of women by the Russians, and how
they didn't know about the fate of all those disappeared Jews.
Stone me.
Wull
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Since some of the favorites have been terrible people and I suspect they
were picked because of the good acting,I would choose the Nazi played by
Michael Morarity in the Holocaust movie.
Wull
tomcervo
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> >> On May 11, 2:43 pm, forn...@webtv.net (SSS DDD) wrote:
> >>> not SD.....# 2 Conrad Veidt Escape (1940 ) " He can be very cruel " # 1
> >>> SS Capt. Malcolm MCDowell The Passage ( 1980 ) " chop, chop. chop "
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> >> Sig Ruman in STALAG 17, the prototype for Sgt. Schultz on "Hogan's
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> >> Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, etc.--most, probably not.
> > Hmm. (To me) It's not so much a definable word, but includes it's
> > passionate supporters, who cheered off the troops moving East, who
> > cheered on hearing Paris had fallen, who were proud of the German
> > aid, including use of the Stukas in Spain.
> > A cross-reference can be made of the same people who moaned about
> > the bombing of Dresden, the rape of women by the Russians, and how
> > they didn't know about the fate of all those disappeared Jews.
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> Since some of the favorites have been terrible people and I suspect they
> were picked because of the good acting,I would choose the Nazi played by
> Michael Morarity in the Holocaust movie.
Good call. I still remember the subtlety with which he drifted into
the depths, from ambitious young lawyer to the man standing at a mass
grave whispering, in awe, "Unbelievable."
Kingo Gondo
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>> On May 11, 2:43 pm, forn...@webtv.net (SSS DDD) wrote:
>>> not SD.....# 2 Conrad Veidt Escape (1940 ) " He can be very cruel " # 1
>>> SS Capt. Malcolm MCDowell The Passage ( 1980 ) " chop, chop. chop "
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>> Sig Ruman in STALAG 17, the prototype for Sgt. Schultz on "Hogan's
>> Heroes."
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>> Was he a "Nazi"? Dubious at best. Let's not confuse Germans with Nazis.
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>> SS, Gestapo--all Nazis
>> Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, etc.--most, probably not.
> Hmm. (To me) It's not so much a definable word
Actually, it is a highly definable word--it was a political party you
joined. I think it's high point was about 8 million members out of a
population of about 80 million (post Anschluss). Since it was a highly
favorable career move to join after January 1933, that should tell you
something.
Don't confuse the idiotic nationalism (sometimes mislabeled "patriotism")
that seems to arise everywhere during "wartime" (yes, it can happen here)
with actually being a Nazi--two different things. The sad thing is that such
nationalism can reinforce, sustain and do the bidding of the much smaller
group of hardcore ideologues. But its origins are quite different--and, as I
said, seemingly quite universal (alas).
Madara0806
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> "Madara0806" <madara0...@gmail.com> wrote in message
To those of us who grew up in the shadow of WWII, any German in a
uniform was a Nazi. We were not educated to make such distinctions.
Kingo Gondo
REPLY:
Correction--you were educated NOT to make such distinctions. It is called
propaganda. And as soon as the WW2 ended, the same thing happened with a new
script. Anybody who was behind the Iron Curtain who did not flee (or try to)
was "a communist", to be feared like Satan himself. And their commie women
were supposedly real ugly and hairy, too.
Updated memo: all Muslims want to kill you now, too. Even their ugly, hairy
women.
SSS DDD
party, some jobs required membership. On a psychological level The
Soviet Union was of more interest than Nazi Germany as the Germans were
mainly interested in rooting out nay sayers while the reds followed the
paranoia of Lenin/Stalin and went after just about everybody. The theory
of the USSR seemed to be ( a least in public ) since the state was based
on the primacy of the worker ( bottom up ) people who opposed the regime
must be nuts ( put in the mental hospital ) or black hearted.
calvin
wrote:
> Correction--you were educated NOT to make such distinctions. It is called
> propaganda. And as soon as the WW2 ended, the same thing happened with a new
> script. Anybody who was behind the Iron Curtain who did not flee (or try to)
> was "a communist", to be feared like Satan himself. And their commie women
> were supposedly real ugly and hairy, too.
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> Updated memo: all Muslims want to kill you now, too. Even their ugly, hairy
> women.
Right. The only people who really want to kill
all the world's people are we Americans and
our ugly, hairy women.
Kingo Gondo
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>I recall hearing that about 5 % of the adult population were in the
> party, some jobs required membership. On a psychological level The
> Soviet Union was of more interest than Nazi Germany as the Germans were
> mainly interested in rooting out nay sayers
That is a bit too polite of a way of saying it.
Dave in Toronto
> SS Capt. Malcolm MCDowell The Passage ( 1980 ) " chop, chop. chop "
These are Mine :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-7lUZPJjGw
Dave M
Kingo Gondo
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Thank you for summarizing my position so succinctly.
Your grasp of the human condition is as sharp as usual. (PS: Jesus, where is
The Human Condition trilogy on your Japanese movie list???)
Stick to movies--that way it will take people longer to figure out what a
moron you are.
By the way, I am guessing you do not see the irony of your exploration of
Japanese film, given the way the Japanese were formerly depicted as a "race"
in this country circa 1941-45, and given your current idiocy stated above
just now?
Nah.
With steve gone (for how long....?), the crown of King of Complete
Obliviousness will rest soundly on your head, calvin.
Dave in Toronto
calvin
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> (PS: Jesus, where is
> The Human Condition trilogy on your Japanese movie list???)
The Human Condition (Kobayashi,1959-1961)
It's on the list now, thank you.
Stone me
concentration camps turned to the young in order to influence us, that it
might
never be forgotten. In particular I remember the campaign to expose the
feigned
surprise by those who really knew what was happening to the Jews.
I seem to remember that (German locals) were forced to visit the camps to
witness
the state of the inmates, the ovens, etc.
I remember in particular one schoolteacher programming us to accept the new
state of Israel, herself a Jewess.
This is in considerable contrast to perhaps my biggest sports hero, Bert
Trautmann,
a German Paratrooper who played Goalkeeper for Manchester City. He was a POW
who met and married a local, becoming an English national hero.
Such is life, there being such contrasts to confuse those who want the world
in B&W.
Stone me.
tomcervo
> In particular I remember the campaign to expose the
> feigned
> surprise by those who really knew what was happening to the Jews.
> I seem to remember that (German locals) were forced to visit the camps to
> witness
> the state of the inmates, the ovens, etc.
Gerald Green's screenplay for "Holocaust" included a pungent remark by
a German character: "We didn't know? When every town had the trains
that ran through it?" (Heading east, full, and returning empty.)
Richard Evans has a point to the effect that after 1943 the Germans
fought hard against the Russians to keep them out, fearing savage
reprisals, but fought equally hard against the western allies, who
historically were "soft" occupiers. What they feared from the west was
justice for their mass murders.The joke going around was "Enjoy the
war. The peace will be hellish."
Wull
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I can add one more piece to this story.
My one grandfather came to America in about 1892. He was one of 11 children
and 6 of them immigrated to the USA. They had one brother at home near
Stuttgart, Germany. As the Nazi movement grew he spoke out against them. A
contingent came to his town and told him and all others, one more negative
word and they would join the people in the camps. Needless to say the
comments stopped. I think that is why most civilians were silent about the
Nazi atrocities.
Wull
Kingo Gondo
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Nice screenplay, dubious history.
Many of the Poles had a pretty good idea what was going on, since their
country was chosen for the site of the factory extermination camps
(Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno, etc.). But since
(a) the Poles were suffering terribly themselves (many them of wound up in
such places) and (b) most of the Christian Poles were fairly anti-Semitic,
it is kind of pointless to belabor their knowledge. What they knew they
could not be bothered with for the forgoing reasons. Certainly the central
institution in Poland to survive the German invasion, the Catholic Church,
had a very keen knowledge of what was happening.
Once you get further away from this ground zero, imputing knowledge of
industrialized genocide gets a little harder to establish for the general
population. First, the act (at least then) had some air of unthinkablility
to it (sadly naive to us now). Also, the Germans made no secret they were
shipping Jews east, for "resettlement"--why would empty trains be
particularly compelling in that narrative (to the extent they
happened--sometimes they brought back slave labor)? In hindsight, this seems
like a flimsy cover story. But people want to believe flimsy cover stories
if the alternative is believing the unthinkable. Many of the Jews of
Western Europe accepted the very same story--were they equally filled with
the bad faith Green's script imputes to Germans at large? I think, again,
this is a simplistic view of the human condition, leading to bad historical
analysis (if a screenplay can count as such).
German forces fought hard everywhere in 1943. Some, delusional, thought they
could still win. Others wanted to resist as much as possible to broker the
best peace they could get for their nation. But when it all started to
collapse, the flight to the West was overwhelming. Anyone who cannot
acknowledge that has no idea what they are talking about.
A. Nony Moose
> In hindsight, this seems like a flimsy cover story. But people want to
> believe flimsy cover stories if the alternative is believing the unthinkable.
Indeed, think how readily the story of bin Laden's death has been accepted
despite the total lack of empirical proof.
Kingo Gondo
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Probably very common. At that point, "the people in the camps" meant,
principally, political prisoners in concentration camps. The Nazis did not
hide that they had concentration camps (why should they?--the British
invented the idea in the Boer War) . It was presumed by anyone sane that
these places were very likely brutal--forced labor, even torture, etc. But
they were not thought to be mechanized killing machines (although much later
some were so converted). They were not intended to be, nor where they run,
like the later extermination camps to the east. These concepts have now been
muddled to us, but not then. This is why a film like To Be Or Not To Be can
joke about something like "Concentration Camp Ehrhardt" and his quip: "Ha
ha. Yes, yes... we do the concentrating and the Poles do the camping. " It
was a wickedly barbed remark, but trust me, nobody had Auschwitz in mind
when they were making it.
Kingo Gondo
including his wives who were there. Amazing!
PS: You are aware that witnesses are a part of "empirical proof", right?
A. Nony Moose
> Yes, it has been accepted by his organization, peers, followers and family,
> including his wives who were there. Amazing!
So, you have been personally informed by the above named as to the death of OBL
or do you just believe the hearsay spouted by our Liar-In-Chief?
Of course it would be to OBL's advantage to have the west believe he is dead.
Not to mention the political mileage Obama is getting from his alleged "victory"
over OBL.
Maybe he's dead, maybe he's not. I refuse to drink Obama's kool-aid and go along
with his propaganda.
You, of course, can continue to be a good German and go with the flow.
Kingo Gondo
those buildings.
Mack A. Damia
wrote:
Hitler was spotted at the McCartney concert in Chile yesterday.
anthill
> not SD.....# 2 Conrad Veidt Escape (1940 ) " He can be very cruel " # 1
> SS Capt. Malcolm MCDowell The Passage ( 1980 ) " chop, chop. chop "
Fat mamausen in Seven Beauties.
anthill
> not SD.....# 2 Conrad Veidt Escape (1940 ) " He can be very cruel " # 1
> SS Capt. Malcolm MCDowell The Passage ( 1980 ) " chop, chop. chop "
Brando in Young Lions.
The officers in Patton.
The nuts in The Damned.
Jim Nason
> Beside you?
>
> I like that Gestapo dude in The Great Escape who ejaculates when the
> recpatured Big X is brought in:
>
> "Ahhhhh...Herr Bartlett...."
How about Anton Diffring, who was in a number of films in the 60s. Always
ready with a "Heil Hitler!" Also played a vile Nazi in "The Winds of War."
Then there was George Sanders, whose affable "Heil Hitler" would just about
put you to sleep. How about Otto Preminger as the camp commander (maybe not
a Nazi)?
Jim Nason
ralph
after his pedophilic dalliances, after his near-romp with Mommie
Dearest, Hermut Berger’s new-found career as a Nazi is a howler.
About Anton Diffring: did he ever give a performance in which he
wasn't short of tongue?
Howard Brazee
type of Nazi, more scary than most.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
calvin
> Anybody mention that Nazi kid singing in _Cabaret_? A different
> type of Nazi, more scary than most.
And that quick cut to the M.C. (Joel Grey) during the latter
part of the song added to the creepiness.
mikeos
Dave in Toronto
> "Herr Flick" in 'Allo. 'Allo!
How about Will Hay in _The Goose Steps Out_ (O.K. I know Hay was only
pretending to me a Nazi.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsEaZvzwl_8
Dave M
tomcervo
Otto Kruger in "Saboteur":
"You're one of the ardent believers - a good American. Oh, there are
millions like you. People who play along, without asking questions. I
hate to use the word stupid, but it seems to be the only one that
applies. The great masses, the moron millions. Well, there are a few
of us unwilling to troop along... a few of us who are clever enough to
see that there's much more to be done than just live small complacent
lives, a few of us in America who desire a more profitable type of
government. When you think about it, Mr. Kane, the competence of
totalitarian nations is much higher than ours. They get things done."
Today he'd have a show on cable.
Opry phantom
I still like Konrad Veidt (an anti) as "Strasser" in CASABLANCA; I
believe he died about a year later.
Mack A. Damia
Charlie Chaplin in "The Great Dictator".
Kingo Gondo
flew in today
they'd send a limousine anyway
Kingo Gondo
"Mack A. Damia" <mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Charlie Chaplin in "The Great Dictator".
If you are going there, then Moe Hailstone beats him all to hell--and got
there first.
Mack A. Damia
Which one is better known?
Justin Cayse
Moe by a mile.
Howard Brazee
tomcervo
> "Mack A. Damia" <mybaconbu...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:502rs6lmvc245a5vr...@4ax.com...
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> > On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:07:56 -0400, "Kingo Gondo"
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> >>"Mack A. Damia" <mybaconbu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>> Charlie Chaplin in "The Great Dictator".
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> >>If you are going there, then Moe Hailstone beats him all to hell--and got
> >>there first.
>
> > Which one is better known?
>
> Moe by a mile.
"While filming, devoted family man Moe rushed from the set to his
daughter's birthday party in full costume. This caused a few calls to
the LAPD. Bystanders reported at what they perceived to be Hitler
running red lights in Hollywood."
Mack A. Damia
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>"Mack A. Damia" <mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:07:56 -0400, "Kingo Gondo"
>> <kingo_nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>"Mack A. Damia" <mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Charlie Chaplin in "The Great Dictator".
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>>>If you are going there, then Moe Hailstone beats him all to hell--and got
>>>there first.
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>> Which one is better known?
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>Moe by a mile.
You don't get out much.
Justin Cayse
Oh silly me, I didn't realize you posed questions just so you could make
smart-alecky rejoinders to the responses.
What an asshole!
Mack A. Damia
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>> On Fri, 13 May 2011 17:38:23 -0400, "Justin Cayse" <Jus...@cayse.com>
>> wrote:
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>>>"Mack A. Damia" <mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:07:56 -0400, "Kingo Gondo"
>>>> <kingo_nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mack A. Damia" <mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:neuqs6lg5ivql2gc2...@4ax.com...
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>>>>>> Charlie Chaplin in "The Great Dictator".
>>>>>
>>>>>If you are going there, then Moe Hailstone beats him all to hell--and got
>>>>>there first.
>>>>
>>>> Which one is better known?
>>>
>>>Moe by a mile.
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>> You don't get out much.
>
>Oh silly me, I didn't realize you posed questions just so you could make
>smart-alecky rejoinders to the responses.
>What an asshole!
A pissing contest?
Who do you think is more famous?
Charlie Chaplin or Moe Howard?
The thread isn't about who was the FIRST Nazi; the thread is entitiled
"Favorite Nazi". To wit:
>>>>> then Moe Hailstone beats him all to hell--and got
>>>>>there first.
Sounds like a pissing contest to me.
Moe doesn't beat Charlie in my book, and the films were both released
in 1940.
And I don't happen to be a Three Stooges fan. They sound like more
your kind of guys.
Sol L. Siegel
a5eb-5db...@r33g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> I still like Konrad Veidt (an anti) as "Strasser" in CASABLANCA; I
> believe he died about a year later.
You're right - he dropped dead on a golf course. I never knew that. It
would actually have been before the movie won the Best Picture Oscar. He
was only 50.
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Sol L. Siegel
both Jewish refugees from the Third Reich?
Wull
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> Am I the first to mention Werner Klemperer and John Banner -
> both Jewish refugees from the Third Reich?
I would like to mention the most often seen Nazi in movies when I was very
young. Sometimes he was a good guy but more often he was a real Nazi. I am
not sure of the spelling but his name was Helmut Dantien or maybe Danteen.
Wull
mikeos
> On May 12, 2:41 pm, "Stone me"<sun...@boulevard.cpm> wrote:
>> In particular I remember the campaign to expose the
>> feigned
>> surprise by those who really knew what was happening to the Jews.
>> I seem to remember that (German locals) were forced to visit the camps to
>> witness
>> the state of the inmates, the ovens, etc.
>
> Gerald Green's screenplay for "Holocaust" included a pungent remark by
> a German character: "We didn't know? When every town had the trains
> that ran through it?" (Heading east, full, and returning empty.)
Official line - they were being re-settled. What's not to believe?
mikeos
> On May 13, 2:09 am, mikeos<mike...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Herr Flick" in 'Allo. 'Allo!
>
>
>
> How about Will Hay in _The Goose Steps Out_ (O.K. I know Hay was only
> pretending to me a Nazi.)
Yes "Heil myself".
Igenlode Wordsmith
[snip]
> I still like Konrad Veidt (an anti) as "Strasser" in CASABLANCA; I
> believe he died about a year later.
Paul Henreid (still billed under his real name of Paul von Hernried) as
Karl Marsen in "Night Train to Munich": ironically, subsequent
heart-throb roles in American films make his role in this war-time
classic all the more unintentionally effective...
http://www.acertaincinema.com/workspace/media/margaret-lockwood-paul-henreid-night-train-to-munich.jpg
--
Igenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.vlexofree.com/Tower/
** One good hope is worth a cartload of certainties **
Blue
> not SD.....# 2 Conrad Veidt Escape (1940 ) " He can be very cruel " # 1
> SS Capt. Malcolm MCDowell The Passage ( 1980 ) " chop, chop. chop "
General Tanz, as portrayed by Peter O'Toole, in "The Night Of The
Generals".