Raymond Burr gay?
rmjon23
little item feels a tad flaky. I'm not sure if I buy it the whole nine.
But I must say, one of film noir's best baddies being gay adds
something to my future re-viewings of Desperate, Raw Deal, The Blue
Gardenia, and Pitfall...especialy Raw Deal, when you look at Rick's
(Burr) relationship with Joe (Dennis O'Keefe). Anyone else heard Burr
was gay? Is this olde news to anyone? -rmjon23]
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2006-01-25/culture/presshere.html
Perry Mason was gay: Well, sorta. The Queer Encyclopedia of Film and
Television (Cleis, $29.95) reveals that Raymond Burr, the deeply
closeted star of that long-running TV-lawyer show, hid his orientation
for decades by claiming that he'd been widowed thrice and had lost a
son to leukemia. Such monumental fibbing -- Burr said one wife had
perished in a plane crash -- deserves an Emmy. Edited by Claude
Summers, the encyclopedia dishes on hundreds including East Bayites
such as Berkeley-born James Ivory and Cal prof and documentarist Marlon
Riggs.
Stacia
>[Not that there's anything wrong w/it...NOT AT ALL!...Besides this
>little item feels a tad flaky. I'm not sure if I buy it the whole nine.
A&E's Biography spoke openly about Burr's longtime partner, who he
shared a lovely estate with. I believe it was on an island and they had
vineyards nearby. They also mentioned at least one wife who there is no
record of, and it's assumed Burr was lying about it for the sake of
appearances.
Stacia
rmjon23
>A&E's Biography spoke openly about Burr's longtime partner, who he
shared a lovely estate with. I believe it was on an island and they
had
vineyards nearby. They also mentioned at least one wife who there is
no
record of, and it's assumed Burr was lying about it for the sake of
appearances.<
Thanks for the info, Stacia.
-misha
Sean O'Hara
> [Not that there's anything wrong w/it...NOT AT ALL!...Besides this
> little item feels a tad flaky. I'm not sure if I buy it the whole nine.
> But I must say, one of film noir's best baddies being gay adds
> something to my future re-viewings of Desperate, Raw Deal, The Blue
> Gardenia, and Pitfall...especialy Raw Deal, when you look at Rick's
> (Burr) relationship with Joe (Dennis O'Keefe). Anyone else heard Burr
> was gay? Is this olde news to anyone? -rmjon23]
>
Very old. I first heard radio DJs making jokes about Raymond Burr
and glass coffee tables fifteen years ago. (If you have to ask, you
don't want to know.)
--
Sean O'Hara | http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com
Leela: Discussion is for the wise and the helpless, and I am neither.
-Doctor Who
Kingo Gondo
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> In the Year of the Dog, the Great and Powerful rmjon23 declared:
>> [Not that there's anything wrong w/it...NOT AT ALL!...Besides this
>> little item feels a tad flaky. I'm not sure if I buy it the whole nine.
>> But I must say, one of film noir's best baddies being gay adds
>> something to my future re-viewings of Desperate, Raw Deal, The Blue
>> Gardenia, and Pitfall...especialy Raw Deal, when you look at Rick's
>> (Burr) relationship with Joe (Dennis O'Keefe). Anyone else heard Burr
>> was gay? Is this olde news to anyone? -rmjon23]
>>
>
> Very old. I first heard radio DJs making jokes about Raymond Burr and
> glass coffee tables fifteen years ago. (If you have to ask, you don't want
> to know.)
Wait...are you sure you're not talking about Danny Thomas or Chuck Berry (to
pick two non-gay examples?)
Nimrod ``
You didn't know that?
N``
rmjon23
>You didn't know that?<
Nope! My ignorance knows no bounds. It seems like there's far more
stuff I don't know than do.
I once went to a two-day bacchanal in which I witnessed a glass coffee
table act around 2 in the morning. It was new to me then. But the glass
coffee table thing was one item I "knew" about. People who chime in
with only "You didn't know that?" are olde hat to me.
Danny Thomas and Chuck Berry and kinky sexcapades I've heard or read
about, but it's hazy.
Stacia
>I once went to a two-day bacchanal in which I witnessed a glass coffee
>table act around 2 in the morning. It was new to me then. But the glass
>coffee table thing was one item I "knew" about.
Well, you're one up on me, because I have no idea what it's supposed
to refer to. I think I can figure it out but I don't know why it's so
identified with Raymond Burr?
Stacia
Michael O'Connor
chair and he was using his mouth instead of the glass coffee table, so
to speak.
The story with Danny Thomas was (it is alleged) that he liked to sit
underneath the glass coffee table and watch some lady take a number two
onto the table above him. I don't think he ate what was on the table,
he just watched.
I have seen the Chuck Berry film (or a film of a guy who looked an
awful lot like Chuck Berry) with a woman and he urinated on her and
refused to kiss her because she smelled of urine. Also in that film he
broke wind directly in her face when she was doing something truly
repulsive to him, and he said to her "You can smell my fart."
Kingo Gondo
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> "rmjon23" <rmj...@aol.com> writes:
>
>>I once went to a two-day bacchanal in which I witnessed a glass coffee
>>table act around 2 in the morning. It was new to me then. But the glass
>>coffee table thing was one item I "knew" about.
>
> Well, you're one up on me, because I have no idea what it's supposed
> to refer to.
I love you for your innocence, my sweet--and I, for one, refuse to crap all
over it by discussing this issue any further.
David Matthews
I'll leave it to someone else to describe it to you but I've been hearing
the story about every gay or suspected gay since the 1960's.
Dave in Toronto
Kingo Gondo
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That's why I tried to "de-gay" it with my two proffered examples (DT &CB).
The poor gay folks get enough shit tossed their way without piling on.
Stacia
>I'll leave it to someone else to describe it to you but I've been hearing
>the story about every gay or suspected gay since the 1960's.
So it's the "gay equals every sexual fetish" syndrome, then? It's
funny that so much stuff is equated with homosexuality, from
corporaphilia (probably spelled wrong) to cross-dressing to cannibalism.
Very open-minded.
Stacia
Jim Beaver
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So to speak.
Jim Beaver
David Oberman
> So it's the "gay equals every sexual fetish" syndrome, then? It's
>funny that so much stuff is equated with homosexuality, from
>corporaphilia (probably spelled wrong) to cross-dressing to cannibalism.
>Very open-minded.
Great John Simon opening paragraph:
"The bill of fare in _Futz_ includes: zoophilia (the hero, Futz, in
carnal love with his pig, Amanda), homosexuality, transvestitism,
troilism I (man, woman, pig), troilism II (two men & a repugnantly
porcine girl, naked, gamboling in the mud), coprophilia (the
slaughtering of Amanda before your eyes, the villagers smearing one
another with, & wallowing in, the pig's gore), pyromania,
masturbation, fetishism, varieties of sadism, sex murder, incest &
sacrilege (an idiot & his sexually doting mother repeatedly compared
to Christ & the Virgin Mary), voyeurism, exhibitionism (every kind of
gratuitous nudity, & particularly a shapeless-bodied & sick-faced
Sally Kirkland riding naked on a pig--this scene, like several others,
not integrated into the plot, just dragged in for the sheer beauty of
it), & various forms of mass copulation. The amazing thing is that out
of this pleasant assortment of bestialities, the scenarists ... & the
director ... have not been able to create anything more than totally
asexual boredom."
____
"I'm your father's bastard son!"
-- Heath to Nick Barkley (The Big Valley)
Stacia
>sta...@xmission.com (Stacia) wrote:
>>corporaphilia (probably spelled wrong)
>
>porcine girl, naked, gamboling in the mud), coprophilia
I wasn't even close, was I? Spelling sux.
Stacia
David Oberman
>>>corporaphilia (probably spelled wrong)
>>
>>porcine girl, naked, gamboling in the mud), coprophilia
>
> I wasn't even close, was I? Spelling sux.
Simon probably had to look it up. Of course, he'd have consulted the
American Heritage Dictionary, 1st ed., the only American dictionary he
could ever countenance. Naturally, he himself was on the dictionary's
Usage Panel--& possibly still is.
I have an American Heritage 1st ed. It's big & red & truly one of the
greatest of all American dictionaries of the 20th century (second only
perhaps to Webster's 2nd of 1934).
There's a coprophagy connection, incidentally, to the Brendan Fraser
"Mummy" movies. The scarab is a coprophagous beetle.
http://www.dougsinc.com/LifeInMex/FloraFauna/Scarab.jpg
http://www.cloudforestalive.org/images/wallpaper/scarab_800.jpg
Here's an origami scarab:
http://www.origamihouse.jp/book/original/insects/Jambar_giant_scarab.jpg
The scarab is truly one of the most beautiful, awe-inspiring creatures
in the insect world. Moreover, its flight & hover capabilities seem to
defy the very laws of physics.
What is everyone's favorite dirigible movie? Mine is the Frank Capra
film "Dirigible" (1931) with Fay Wray & Roscoe Karns.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
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> What is everyone's favorite dirigible movie? Mine is the Frank Capra
> film "Dirigible" (1931) with Fay Wray & Roscoe Karns.
You've actually seen it, then?
How many do I have to choose from?
I found something called _El Dirigible_ (1994), but I haven't seen it,
either. I've also uncovered _Hell's Angels_ (1930) and _The Hindenberg_
(1975), likewise unseen by your humble reporter.
Feel free to include blimps, too, if that helps.
(BTW, anyone into WW II airplanes or blimps or both would do well to seek
out the Tillamook (Oregon) Air Museum, which is housed in a cavernous blimp
hangar, said to be the largest wooden structure in the world. Go to
http://www.tillamookair.com/ for more information.)
In the case of Zeppelins, I choose _Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade_: "No
ticket."
Now let me counter with asking what is your favorite Flying Wing movie. I
dibs _The Rocketeer_ (1991).
--
Frank in Seattle
____
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."
David Matthews
> Feel free to include blimps, too, if that helps.
>
In that case I choose "Gasbags" with The Crazy Gang and yes I have seen it.
Trivia item :- Queen Elizabeth ll turned 80 recently. In her youth The
Crazy Gang were her favorite comics who appeared regularly on Royal Command
performances.
Dave in Toronto
Grendel
>dibs _The Rocketeer_ (1991).
I don't remember a Flying Wing in "The Rocketeer" (Good movie by
the way, Jennifer Connelly looked hot in that dress).
I remember a jetpack, the Gee Bee flyer, a Jenny, the Hindenburg, and a
gyroplane.
My fav flying wing would be when 'Mr Clean' got nixed by the prop
of the Flying Wing in "Raiders of the Lost Ark."
Joe McC
Shallow consolation, but my only previous exposure to this little
peccadillo, (albeit sans poo/pee), was in Joseph Wambaugh's
novel The Choirboys where it had a hetero setting. (female sitting
on glass coffee table, drunken hornbag cop beneath)
I think it was referred to as 'eating pressed ham through the
wrapper'
Joe
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Oh, that was a good one, which alas I had forgotten about just now.
Maybe I'm misremembering but I was sure there's a terrific fight sequence in
and on a Flying Wing in _The Rocketeer_. Could it have been the Zeppelin? In
any case, you did neglect to mention the Spruce Goose, which makes an
anachronistic appearance.
This thread has got me thinking about all the interesting "alternative"
aircraft in the movies. Like W.C. Fields's autogyro in _International House_
or the "Little Nellie" gyrocopter in _You Only Live Twice_, Bond having had
lots of fun with various flying gadgets over the years. Isn't there an
autogyro in _Annie_? Where else? Bond flies some kind of ultra-light in one
of the films, I think, but which one I can't quite summon up at the moment.
Halmyre
He flies a mini-jet at the start of View To A Kill - it's carried in a
horse-box, cunningly hidden by a fake horse's rear-end.
--
Halmyre
ceci, n'est pas un signature
David Oberman
>> Feel free to include blimps, too, if that helps.
>In that case I choose "Gasbags" with The Crazy Gang and yes I have seen it.
I thought you were going to say "The Life & Death of Colonel Blimp"
____
"Audra, it can't be true!"
-- Victoria Barkley to daughter Audra (The Big Valley)
David Oberman
>This thread has got me thinking about all the interesting "alternative"
>aircraft in the movies. Like W.C. Fields's autogyro in _International House_
Priceless. And doesn't Fields take off in some contraption from the
golf course in "Big Broadcast of 1938"?
Grendel
>dibs _The Rocketeer_ (1991).
I don't remember a Flying Wing in "The Rocketeer" (Good movie by
the way, Jennifer Connelly looked hot in that dress).
I remember a jetpack, the Gee Bee flyer, a Jenny, the Hindenburg, and a
gyroplane.
My fav flying wing would be when 'Mr Clean' got nixed by the prop
of the Flying Wing in "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom."
John Harkness
<fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
>David Oberman wrote:
>
>[deletions]
>
>> What is everyone's favorite dirigible movie? Mine is the Frank Capra
>> film "Dirigible" (1931) with Fay Wray & Roscoe Karns.
>
>You've actually seen it, then?
>
>How many do I have to choose from?
>
>I found something called _El Dirigible_ (1994), but I haven't seen it,
>either. I've also uncovered _Hell's Angels_ (1930) and _The Hindenberg_
>(1975), likewise unseen by your humble reporter.
>
>Feel free to include blimps, too, if that helps.
BlackSunday -- the Frankenheimer, not th Bava.
John Harkness
David Oberman
>>Feel free to include blimps, too, if that helps.
>
>BlackSunday -- the Frankenheimer, not th Bava.
Not a bad film, as cheap Saturday afternoon thrillers go.
As for flying contraptions & hot-air balloons, didn't Katharine
Hepburn fly in a hot-air balloon in one of her later movies?
vmac...@yahoo.com
movie. I
dibs _The Rocketeer_ (1991). -
I like the appearance of the Flying Wing in the 1953 'War of the
Worlds' - let's beat their cool aircraft with our cool aircraft!
TCM ran a featurette from the same time like a film 'Popular
Mechanics', featuring a proposed passenger-version Wing. I only wish
air travel were that cool.
VMacek
rmjon23
>Shallow consolation, but my only previous exposure to this little
peccadillo, (albeit sans poo/pee), was in Joseph Wambaugh's
novel The Choirboys where it had a hetero setting. (female sitting
on glass coffee table, drunken hornbag cop beneath)<
'Twas pretty much the scenario I witnessed: drunk hetero female above,
drunk hetero male below. I agree w/Stacia and David that ignorant and
homophobic people link gays far too often to bizarre sexual fetishes.
But how hilariously suggestive certain (some imaginary?) fetishistic
acts become when named!
"It was a wild party, man! Joe ate pressed ham through the wrapper."
(In my experience: this describes something actually done, i.e, the
coffee table act.)
"I went into town to a new place called The Lavendar last night, saw a
guy tea-bagging another on stage." (This describes an act that my gay
friends swear is real. The teacup is a guy's mouth; the teabags are
another guy's testicles.)
"She was the kinkiest girl I've ever known. First time I ever got a
Rusty Trombone." (This colorful term describes something apparently
quite common: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusty_trombone )
"It was wild. He gave me a Dirty Sanchez." (My guess is that some
Hollywood comedians dreamed this up and it's become iterated and an
Urban Legend. q.v: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Sanchez_%28sex%29
)
However, as I get older I realize indeed there are more things on
heaven and earth than are dreamed of by myself...
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
That is one of my favorite pre-credits sequence but it opens _Octopussy_. It
ends, of course, with James coasting into a gas station. "Fill it up."
_A View to a Kill_ opens inside Russia with a frantic race on skis and
snowboard and ends in a luxurious minisub. However, Max Zorin, the
Goldfinger-like villain in this one, does have two airships, one the scene
of a business conference, the other disguised as a building, that he and his
henchmen launch and fly over San Fancisco Bay.
Then there's the flying AMC Matador in _The Man With the Golden Gun_. A
silly, silly movie all the way around.
Grendel
>silly, silly movie all the way around.
Yes, a silly movie, but had one of the BEST car jumps in cinema AND the
best 'Bond Girl' name....I mean, who HASN'T wanted to meet a
bare-assed Asian chick named 'Chew Mei'???
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
As great a stunt as ever performed with a car -- but a Hornet? Here's was
the IMDb has about the stunt:
'The spiral "Javelin Jump" was performed by a modified 1974 Hornet X:
special suspension, a six cylinder engine (for reduced weight), centered
steering wheel, and a special fuel system to stop the car stalling when
turning over.'
And:
'The driver that performed the loop-jump was given a large bonus for
completing the jump on the first take. The jump is also credited with being
the first stunt ever to be calculated by computer'
Chew Mei is pretty darned cute, but is she cute enough to make up for the
return of Sheriff Pepper, of whom I had more than enough in _Live and Let
Die_?
Halmyre
>>Then there's the flying AMC Matador in _The Man With the Golden Gun_. A
>>silly, silly movie all the way around.
>
>
> Yes, a silly movie, but had one of the BEST car jumps in cinema
Ruined by that bloody stupid Swanee whistle...
Halmyre
Curse my feeble memory!!!
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
I think I can remember what you mean.
David Matthews
> As for flying contraptions & hot-air balloons, didn't Katharine
> Hepburn fly in a hot-air balloon in one of her later movies?
I have vague memories of that. I think the movie can be described as a low
point in Hepburn's career.
A movie that opened with an intriguing hot-air balloon sequence was
"Dangerous Exile" with Belinda Lee and Louis Jourdan. In the eighteenth
century a balloon lands in a Welsh village it's sole occupant a boy who
speaks only French. Could it be the son of Louis XVll and Marie Antoinette
fleeing the French revolution? Pretty good movie actually that seems to have
vanished from circulation.
Dave in Toronto
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
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> A movie that opened with an intriguing hot-air balloon sequence was
> "Dangerous Exile" with Belinda Lee and Louis Jourdan. In the
> eighteenth century a balloon lands in a Welsh village it's sole
> occupant a boy who speaks only French. Could it be the son of Louis
> XVll and Marie Antoinette fleeing the French revolution? Pretty good
> movie actually that seems to have vanished from circulation.
Now you've put me in mind of two hot-air balloon movies, one bad, one good,
viz. _Around the World in 80 Days_ and _Mysterious Island_ (1961). The
latter, of course, features some excellent work by Harryhausen *plus* the
inimitable Joan Greenwood.
But the most famous film with a prominent role for a hot-air balloon is
surely _The Wizard of Oz_. "I can't come back! I don't know how it works!
Good-bye folks!"
I searched the IMDb for the "hot air balloon" keyword and was surprised to
get 52 hits. A lot of them are films I haven't seen and some of them I
really have to wrack my memory for balloon scenes. For example, _Octopussy_:
I had totally forgotten that the Monsoon Palace is invaded with one
decorated with the Union Jack on the envelope.
But in some ways the most interesting item on the list of hits was _Alice's
Balloon Race_ (1926). I had never heard, ignorant so-and-so that I am,
before today of Disney's Alice Comedies, never having given much effort to
Disney history.
Mixing live and animated action at this early stage must have been a bizarre
experience for audiences of the day. The user comment for this one says: "is
very little of her live action incorporated into the short, but Julius'
attempts to keep her balloon afloat make this a very funny and successful
short." I'd like to see it, but oh well.
Paul B. Thompson
details, costuming, and period weaponry.
Paul Thompson
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Paul B. Thompson
It had the real Northrup flying wing in it--or at least real stock footage .
. .
Paul Thompson
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Howard Brazee
<fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
>Now you've put me in mind of two hot-air balloon movies, one bad, one good,
>viz. _Around the World in 80 Days_ and _Mysterious Island_ (1961). The
>latter, of course, features some excellent work by Harryhausen *plus* the
>inimitable Joan Greenwood.
One hot air moment occurs when a spiked helmet makes a tiny hole that
brings it down. Gert Fröbe?
Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines or How I Flew from
London to Paris in 25 hours 11 minutes
Paul B. Thompson
the Bede 'Micro'.
Paul Thompson
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Paul B. Thompson
"Chitty Chitty Bang Bang."
An otherwise loathesome movie.
Paul Thompson
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Frank R.A.J. Maloney
> The mini jet Bond uses in the opening of "Octopussy" was a real plane
> called the Bede 'Micro'.
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I thought it was called the Acrostar Mini Jet.
G.M. Watson
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In article <4ak84qF...@individual.net>, Sean O'Hara
<sean...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the Year of the Dog, the Great and Powerful rmjon23 declared:
>> [Not that there's anything wrong w/it...NOT AT ALL!...Besides this
>> little item feels a tad flaky. I'm not sure if I buy it the whole nine.
>> But I must say, one of film noir's best baddies being gay adds
>> something to my future re-viewings of Desperate, Raw Deal, The Blue
>> Gardenia, and Pitfall...especialy Raw Deal, when you look at Rick's
>> (Burr) relationship with Joe (Dennis O'Keefe). Anyone else heard Burr
>> was gay? Is this olde news to anyone? -rmjon23]
>>
>
> Very old. I first heard radio DJs making jokes about Raymond Burr
> and glass coffee tables fifteen years ago. (If you have to ask, you
> don't want to know.)
>
I don't believe it for a moment. The glass coffee table hasn't been made
that could have borne Raymond Burr's weight.
GMW
Bill Steele
Laputa: Castle in the Sky (technically not dirigibles--everything seemed
to be held up with propellers)
The 1938 serial Fighting Devil Dogs had the villain flying around in a
flying wing which apparently stayed up forever.
Two-Minute Warning--a blimp
Paul B. Thompson
"The BD-5J is the jet version of the aircraft, the result of mating the BD-5
fuselage and a shortened 17-foot (5.18 m) wingspan with the Microturbo
TRS-18 turbojet engine, manufactured by Microturbo in Toulouse, France, and
by Ames Industrial in the United States under license from Microturbo. The
aircraft was featured in the first few minutes of the James Bond movie
Octopussy starring Sir Roger Moore. Corky Fornof was the stunt pilot who
performed the scene in which the aircraft (identified in the credits as the
Acro Star) flew through a hangar. An example of the BD-5J currently based in
San Juan, Puerto Rico holds the Guinness record for the World's Smallest Jet
aircraft. Airframe kits for this tiny jet are still available from BD Micro
Technologies and Alturair in San Diego, California, but the engines are much
harder to find, as Microturbo no longer sells them for man-rated
applications."
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Frank R.A.J. Maloney
> "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote in message
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>> Paul B. Thompson wrote:
>>> The mini jet Bond uses in the opening of "Octopussy" was a real
>>> plane called the Bede 'Micro'.
>>
>> [deletions]
>>
>> I thought it was called the Acrostar Mini Jet.
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bede_BD-5:
>
> "The BD-5J is the jet version of the aircraft, the result of mating
> the BD-5 fuselage and a shortened 17-foot (5.18 m) wingspan with the
> Microturbo TRS-18 turbojet engine, manufactured by Microturbo in
> Toulouse, France, and by Ames Industrial in the United States under
> license from Microturbo. The aircraft was featured in the first few
> minutes of the James Bond movie Octopussy starring Sir Roger Moore.
> Corky Fornof was the stunt pilot who performed the scene in which the
> aircraft (identified in the credits as the Acro Star) flew through a
> hangar. An example of the BD-5J currently based in San Juan, Puerto
> Rico holds the Guinness record for the World's Smallest Jet aircraft.
> Airframe kits for this tiny jet are still available from BD Micro
> Technologies and Alturair in San Diego, California, but the engines
> are much harder to find, as Microturbo no longer sells them for
> man-rated applications."
>
>
Assuming all that's true, which is always a reasonable condition with
Wikipedia as much as I love it, why is a Bede called an Acro Star in the
credits?
(BTW, the Wikipedia article on Q refers to the AcroStar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_(James_Bond))
I found the same text at website on the Bede BD-5,
http://www.answers.com/topic/bede-bd-5. I don't know who copied whom, of
course.
Every other Bond reference I've seen so far refers to the Acro Star. For
example this page from the BBC:
"Fast cars, planes and boats always play a leading role in Bond films. Take
for example the Acrostar Mini Jet featured in Octopussy (1983): the world's
smallest functioning jet aeroplane, it's hidden inside a horsebox. Built and
piloted by stunt pilot Corky Fornof, it was actually capable of flying at
over 480km/h (300mph)."
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/jamesbond/speed.shtml)
A similar entry at
http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/vehicles/acrostar-mini-jet.php.
And this from http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/q-branch/acrostarminijet.php3:
"The Acrostar was powered by a Micro-turbo TRS-18 a tiny but powerful jet
engine. The plane could carry only the pilot, and was only 12 foot in
length. It handled under the following performance:
Top speed: 514 km/h
Cruising speed: 432 km/h
Thrust: 250 pounds
Maximum altitude: 30,000 feet
Climb rate: 2800 foot per minute"
And so forth.
Sally Waters
airs their bios over & over - watch A&E's
"Biography" on Raymond Burr. It's great, with lots of affection shown for
him by his Perry Mason co-stars who
talk about visiting him and his long-time partner at their vineyard. So
although he wasn't very far out of the closet, at least his
friends and some co-stars knew.
"rmjon23" <rmj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> [Not that there's anything wrong w/it...NOT AT ALL!...Besides this
> little item feels a tad flaky. I'm not sure if I buy it the whole nine.
> But I must say, one of film noir's best baddies being gay adds
> something to my future re-viewings of Desperate, Raw Deal, The Blue
> Gardenia, and Pitfall...especialy Raw Deal, when you look at Rick's
> (Burr) relationship with Joe (Dennis O'Keefe). Anyone else heard Burr
> was gay? Is this olde news to anyone? -rmjon23]
>
> http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2006-01-25/culture/presshere.html
>
> Perry Mason was gay: Well, sorta. The Queer Encyclopedia of Film and
> Television (Cleis, $29.95) reveals that Raymond Burr, the deeply
> closeted star of that long-running TV-lawyer show, hid his orientation
> for decades by claiming that he'd been widowed thrice and had lost a
> son to leukemia. Such monumental fibbing -- Burr said one wife had
> perished in a plane crash -- deserves an Emmy. Edited by Claude
> Summers, the encyclopedia dishes on hundreds including East Bayites
> such as Berkeley-born James Ivory and Cal prof and documentarist Marlon
> Riggs.
>
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
> Next time it comes on - and I'm sure it will, since the Biography
> channel airs their bios over & over - watch A&E's
> "Biography" on Raymond Burr. It's great, with lots of affection shown
> for him by his Perry Mason co-stars who
> talk about visiting him and his long-time partner at their vineyard.
> So although he wasn't very far out of the closet, at least his
> friends and some co-stars knew.
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This is probably a good time to remember once again Raymond Burr's finest
hour. William Talman, who played Hamilton Burger on "Perry Mason", was
arrested in a raid on a party and was fired thanks to the morals clause in
his contract. Burr, backed up by his co-stars, forced the network, CBS, to
rehire Talman.
Of course, as we all know who have watched the show, Burr used the show to
employ many of his old friends from the movies, also much to his credit as a
loyal and generous friend.
George Peatty
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>This is probably a good time to remember once again Raymond Burr's finest
>hour. William Talman, who played Hamilton Burger on "Perry Mason", was
>arrested in a raid on a party and was fired thanks to the morals clause in
>his contract. Burr, backed up by his co-stars, forced the network, CBS, to
>rehire Talman.
>Of course, as we all know who have watched the show, Burr used the show to
>employ many of his old friends from the movies, also much to his credit as a
>loyal and generous friend.
He paid his debts, too. He appeared in one of the Godzilla movies to repay a
favor he thought he owed. I wish I remembered specifics, but the recollection
is very vague.
Clearer in my mind is Barbara Hale's explicit denial that he was gay. I always
liked what I saw of Burr onscreen, but if I had any talent, I don't think I'd
want to work with him. Also, according to Hale, he could be "difficult" on the
set ..
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Hal Erickson
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> well, you gotta admit the perry mason theme music was pretty swanky.
Those stalwarts of B sci-fi movies, Tom Browne Henry and Morris Ankrum, had
both been Burr's teacher/directors at Pasadena Playhouse. Both were
prominently featured in several PERRY MASON episodes.
Ray Burr's greatest act of generosity during the MASON years was hiring
George E. Stone, who was virtually blind and in very poor shape both
physically and financially by the late 1950s, for the recurring role of
"court clerk." Stone seldom had any lines, but Burr saw to it that the
elderly and infirm actor had a weekly paycheck--and a good one.
--Hal E
t_cruise
Watch the televised premiere included with the extras on the Judy
Garland "A Star Is Born" DVD. The emcee makes Burr seem like the
epitome of generosity for bringing along a really HOT G.I. that Burr
picked up while touring military bases in the Pacific. People
actually believed that Burr was doing a good deed, rather than
bringing along the guy he was boinking with. It was a different world
back then. Today, STAR Magazine would Headline: "Don't Ask! Don't
Tell! Gay Burr Brings Stud Muffin G.I. Boyfriend to 'Star' Premiere."
T.C.
"Hands off the man, the flim flam man"
from Tom Cruise's theme song?
Boycott all Tom Cruise films and products!
Igenlode Wordsmith
> David Oberman wrote:
>
> [deletions]
>
> > What is everyone's favorite dirigible movie? Mine is the Frank Capra
> > film "Dirigible" (1931) with Fay Wray & Roscoe Karns.
>
> You've actually seen it, then?
>
> How many do I have to choose from?
>
> I found something called _El Dirigible_ (1994), but I haven't seen it,
> either. I've also uncovered _Hell's Angels_ (1930) and _The Hindenberg_
> (1975), likewise unseen by your humble reporter.
>
"The Rocketeer" and "Zeppelin" (1971) were recently broadcast
back-to-back on television: airship overdose! :-)
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in 'The Great Race'.
I get a kick out of that late Monty Python episode 'The Golden Age of
Ballooning', especially but not exclusively the faux Louis XIV.
VMacek
tomcervo
Did you see it? Because the stars are Jack Holt and Ralph Graves as two
navy fliers--Holt, the strong quiet airship captain, Graves the
All-American asshole flier. Graves gets into trouble and Graves gets
him out, all the while in love with Wray, Graves' wife. She keeps
threatening to leave him, and no wonder, but in 1931 there was no
divorce unless you were Norma Shearer.
The airship footage is fascinating--this is pre-Hindenburg, when they
were still a viable option for air travel and long distance flying. I
know what you're about to say, but sometimes a zeppelin is just a
zeppelin.
Tris Orendorff
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>> He flies a mini-jet at the start of View To A Kill - it's carried in
>> a horse-box, cunningly hidden by a fake horse's rear-end.
>
> That is one of my favorite pre-credits sequence but it opens
> _Octopussy_. It ends, of course, with James coasting into a gas
> station. "Fill it up."
I remember near the ending of Octopussy, Q comes to the rescue in a hot-air
baloon made out of a huge union jack. See
http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/vehicles/q-hotair-balloon.php for details.
Richard Schultz
: This thread has got me thinking about all the interesting "alternative"
: aircraft in the movies. Like W.C. Fields's autogyro in _International House_
Or the cheap Japanese one in _Sleeper_.
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Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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