The Ten best Fantasy movies
MichaelW
have seen some very good Chinese fantasy films, but i keep mixing the names
of those films, so I have been unable to include them in this list.
1. Time Bandits
2. Lord of the Rings Triology
3. The Dark Crystal http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083791/
4. Conan The Barbarian
5. Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau)
6. Steamboy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/
7. Brødrene Løvehjerte http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075790/
9. Pan's Labyrinth
10. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
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T987654321
> Here's my list of the ten best fantasy movies I know. No surprises really. I
> have seen some very good Chinese fantasy films, but i keep mixing the names
> of those films, so I have been unable to include them in this list.
>
> 1. Time Bandits
> 2. Lord of the Rings Triology
> 4. Conan The Barbarian
> 5. Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau)
> 6. Steamboyhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/
> 9. Pan's Labyrinth
> 10. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
>
> --http://www.booksie.com/michael_wynn(my humble self)www.TheEnglishCollection.com
Star Wars is fairly hard SF - replace with Conan
Time Bandits is just bad - replace with Harry Potter
The rest of the list is good.
Sol L. Siegel
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> Here's my list of the ten best fantasy movies I know. No surprises
> really. I have seen some very good Chinese fantasy films, but i keep
> mixing the names of those films, so I have been unable to include them
> in this list.
>
> 1. Time Bandits
> 2. Lord of the Rings Triology
> 3. The Dark Crystal http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083791/
> 4. Conan The Barbarian
> 5. Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau)
> 6. Steamboy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/
> 7. Brødrene Løvehjerte http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075790/
> 9. Pan's Labyrinth
> 10. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
>
>
I only agree about Time Bandits, Beauty (and would add Orpheus),
and Pan - and not necessarily in that order, either. OK, maybe
Star Wars (which I still have on LD in its original release
version, except for the "Episode IV designation" at the start).
Add:
The Man Who Could Work Miracles
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029201/
Almost anything by Hayao Miyazaki; start with My Neighbor
Totoro, Laputa aka Castle in the Sky, and Spirited Away.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
A Chinese Ghost Story
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093978/
Karel Zeman's The Deadly Invention (known in the US as
The Fabulous World of Jules Verne) and Baron Prásil
(known in the US, if at all, as The Fabulous Baron
Munchausen). *Long* overdue for US DVD.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052374/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054665/#
There are probably lots of others that are slipping my
fading brain cells.
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
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"MichaelW" <michaelh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's my list of the ten best fantasy movies I know. No surprises really.
> 1. Time Bandits
> 2. Lord of the Rings Triology
> 3. The Dark Crystal http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083791/
> 4. Conan The Barbarian
> 5. Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau)
> 6. Steamboy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/
> 7. Brødrene Løvehjerte http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075790/
> 9. Pan's Labyrinth
> 10. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
I'd put Princess Bride and Wizards on any fantasy top10 list.
Bill Anderson
King Kong (1931) is the best ever.
A few honorable mentions, some more honorable than others:
The Wizard of Oz
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Thief of Baghdad
Big Fish
It's a Wonderful Life
A Christmas Carol
Stardust (2007)
Here Comes Mr. Jordan
Portrait of Jennie
Babe
Jason and the Argonauts
The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad
Groundhog Day
Big
Ghost
Splash
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I am the Mighty Favog
David O.
Beauty & the Beast
Excalibur
The Thief of Bagdad (1924)
J'accuse (1919)
Ménilmontant
The Tales of Hoffmann
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dragonslayer
Vampyr
The Devil & Daniel Webster
Arabian Nights (TV 2000)
rec.arts.movies.past-films
You're cheating. Excalibur and Vampr are not really fantasy. It's the
Arthurian legends, not fantasies. Sure, there are magical elements,
but it's not fullblown fantasy like LOR. And Vampyr is horror, not
fantasy. Fantasy has a beatific element though it can also be dark
too. But Vampyr is ONLY dark.
rec.arts.movies.past-films
> Here's my list of the ten best fantasy movies I know. No surprises really. I
> have seen some very good Chinese fantasy films, but i keep mixing the names
> of those films, so I have been unable to include them in this list.
>
> 1. Time Bandits
> 2. Lord of the Rings Triology
> 4. Conan The Barbarian
> 5. Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau)
> 6. Steamboyhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/
> 9. Pan's Labyrinth
> 10. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
>
> --http://www.booksie.com/michael_wynn(my humble self)www.TheEnglishCollection.com
Pan's Labyrinth sucks. Commies deserved to die.
MichaelW
"the best movies there are". I know that there should be at least one
Chinese movie on my list, but I am not sure which. I did include one
Japanese anime, the one i remember best. Time Bandits is just one of my
favorite movies, so i had to have that on the list. Glad you agree about
that at least. Munchhausen is also great. I grew up with Tolkien, and those
books are so central to the fantasy genre that the movies should be
included. The Dark Crystal is a wonderful story by Jim Henson that is often
forgotten today. And Brødrene Løvehjerte is one of Scandinavia's most
treasured literary works. Star Wars may be science fiction, but because of
the Jedi mythology it is fantasy also.
I am quite pleased about my list, but I know tastes will vary according to
what you have seen and what you like.
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David O.
<and-...@live.com> wrote:
>You're cheating.
Am not.
>Excalibur and Vampr are not really fantasy.
Are too.
>It's the Arthurian legends, not fantasies.
FANTASY, bub.
>Sure, there are magical elements,
>but it's not fullblown fantasy like LOR.
LOR is fullblown something. You got that right.
>And Vampyr is horror, not fantasy.
VAMPYR is fantasy, not horror. Didn't you watch it. It is beautiful &
dark & hypnotic & disconcerting & discombobulating. It's stilted &
frenetic, like Prussians at play.
Bill Anderson
You tellim David
Tom
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:03:28 -0800 (PST), "rec.arts.movies.past-films"
> <and-...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> You're cheating.
>
> Am not.
>
>> Excalibur and Vampr are not really fantasy.
>
> Are too.
>
>> It's the Arthurian legends, not fantasies.
>
> FANTASY, bub.
>
>> Sure, there are magical elements,
>> but it's not fullblown fantasy like LOR.
>
> LOR is fullblown something. You got that right.
>
>> And Vampyr is horror, not fantasy.
>
> dark& hypnotic& disconcerting& discombobulating. It's stilted&
And just how many playing Prussians do you know, mister?
--
Tom
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never
reasoned into."
--Swift
Mack A. Damia
>On 1/16/2011 9:47 PM, David O. wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:03:28 -0800 (PST), "rec.arts.movies.past-films"
>> <and-...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You're cheating.
>>
>> Am not.
>>
>>> Excalibur and Vampr are not really fantasy.
>>
>> Are too.
>>
>>> It's the Arthurian legends, not fantasies.
>>
>> FANTASY, bub.
>>
>>> Sure, there are magical elements,
>>> but it's not fullblown fantasy like LOR.
>>
>> LOR is fullblown something. You got that right.
>>
>>> And Vampyr is horror, not fantasy.
>>
>> VAMPYR is fantasy, not horror. Didn't you watch it. It is beautiful&
>> dark& hypnotic& disconcerting& discombobulating. It's stilted&
>> frenetic, like Prussians at play.
>
>And just how many playing Prussians do you know, mister?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McFj_vq3cwk
David O.
>And just how many playing Prussians do you know, mister?
Sol L. Siegel
news:slrnij6r7m....@8600.edu:
>> Almost anything by Hayao Miyazaki; start with My Neighbor
>> Totoro, Laputa aka Castle in the Sky, and Spirited Away.
>
> *Include: "Howl's Moving Castle"*
I had a problem with that one, which never seemed to hold
together. That may have had something to do with the English
adaptation, though.
Sol L. Siegel
news:cOadnYzykYFHHK7Q...@giganews.com:
> King Kong (1931) is the best ever.
1933, but who's counting? A little articulated puppet,
with its little herky-jerky motions - and every damned
time I see it I still think it's alive. Freaking genius.
>
> A few honorable mentions, some more honorable than others:
>
> The Wizard of Oz
> It's a Wonderful Life
Somewhere in Hades, there is a room where these are run,
back to back, on a loop for eternity for an audience,
strapped to chairs, who used to love them but now can't
tolerate them more than once every five or ten years.
> Ferris Bueller's Day Off
That *is* a fantasy, come to think of it. Good call.
> Thief of Baghdad
I prefer the silent Fairbanks to Sabu.
> A Christmas Carol
I hope you mean the Alastair Sim - although the Mr. Magoo
isn't bad. And let's not forget the original Chuck Jones/
Boris Karloff Grinch.
> Babe
> Jason and the Argonauts
> Groundhog Day
A trilogy of pics that eluded my fading brain cells.
> Big
> Splash
Add Forrest Gump and you have a Tom Hanks trilogy.
I'm not naming any Pixar flicks: unfair competition.
Steven L.
news:igv5s7$s6v$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Here's my list of the ten best fantasy movies I know. No surprises really. I
> have seen some very good Chinese fantasy films, but i keep mixing the names
> of those films, so I have been unable to include them in this list.
>
> 1. Time Bandits
> 2. Lord of the Rings Triology
> 3. The Dark Crystal http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083791/
> 4. Conan The Barbarian
> 5. Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau)
> 6. Steamboy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/
> 7. Br�drene L�vehjerte http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075790/
> 9. Pan's Labyrinth
> 10. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
"A Matter of Life and Death" (a.k.a. "Stairway to Heaven") belongs on
there somewhere.
-- Steven L.
Rockinghorse Winner
Jason and the Argonauts makes me barf. How anyone could think this is
anything other than a very bad joke is beyond me.
David O.
<rwinner@remove_this.hmamail.com> wrote:
>Jason and the Argonauts makes me barf.
Big chunks? Puree? Salsa fresca?
Flasherly
> Here's my list of the ten best fantasy movies I know. No surprises really. I
> have seen some very good Chinese fantasy films, but i keep mixing the names
> of those films, so I have been unable to include them in this list.
>
> 1. Time Bandits
> 2. Lord of the Rings Triology
> 4. Conan The Barbarian
> 5. Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau)
> 7. Brødrene Løvehjertehttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075790/
> 9. Pan's Labyrinth
> 10. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
>
> --http://www.booksie.com/michael_wynn(my humble self)www.TheEnglishCollection.com
The Illustrated Man w/ Steiger, Drivas, Claire Bloom, and Pogo Peke.
rec.arts.movies.past-films
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:03:28 -0800 (PST), "rec.arts.movies.past-films"
>
> >You're cheating.
>
> Am not.
>
> >Excalibur and Vampr are not really fantasy.
>
> Are too.
>
> >It's the Arthurian legends, not fantasies.
>
> FANTASY, bub.
>
> >Sure, there are magical elements,
> >but it's not fullblown fantasy like LOR.
>
> LOR is fullblown something. You got that right.
>
> >And Vampyr is horror, not fantasy.
>
> VAMPYR is fantasy, not horror. Didn't you watch it. It is beautiful &
> dark & hypnotic & disconcerting & discombobulating. It's stilted &
> frenetic, like Prussians at play.
No, no, no. Vampyr is dreamy, hypnotic, nightmarish, not fantastic.
Fantasy can have dark elements but it is essentially AN EXTERNAL
fantasization of wondrousness. Vampyr is INTERNAL. It is
PSYCHOLOGICAL, DEEP. It is about inner reality.
Fantasy is like fairytales. There's something childish about it, a
wish for unicorns, dragons, talking animals, etc. It is a toyland
vision to make us forget about reality and truth.
Dream/nightmare movies like Vampyr use mystery, strangeness, and such
as METAPHORS for our real psyche. Vampyr is not escapism but
confrontism. It forces us to confront death, disease, rot, fear,
anxiety.
That is the difference between real dreams and daydreams. Daydreams
are fantastic. They are wishes of what we want: lots of money, lots of
ho's, fancy car, etc. They are escapism.
Real dreams, on the other hand, take us into Freudian land where our
buried complexes play out as psychodrama. Eraserhead, like Vampyr, is
a nightmare/dream, not fantasy.
Of course, some darker fairytales also say something about human
nature and all that, but the core purpose of fantasy fairytales is to
take us far away to lala land.
A.I. is an amazing film because it's told as a fairytale wrapped in a
nightmare.
David O.
<and-...@live.com> wrote:
>Fantasy can have dark elements but it is essentially AN EXTERNAL
>fantasization of wondrousness. Vampyr is INTERNAL. It is
>PSYCHOLOGICAL, DEEP. It is about inner reality.
So are most of the E.T.A. Hoffmann tales. Does that make his stuff
horror & not fantasy?!
>Fantasy is like fairytales. There's something childish about it, a
>wish for unicorns, dragons, talking animals, etc. It is a toyland
>vision to make us forget about reality and truth.
Is the myth of Psyche & Cupid childish fantasy designed to make us
forget about reality & truth?
>A.I. is an amazing film because it's told as a fairytale wrapped in a
>nightmare.
It's a riddle wrapped inside a mystery inside an enigma. A rose is a
rose is a rose. I love you, Alice B. Toklas. You & Bertolucci have
altered the face of an art form. The date of your post will become a
landmark in Usenet history comparable to the night in 1913 in Paris
when "Le sacre du printemps" was first performed.
Mack A. Damia
(In no particular order)
1. "1984" (Hurt and Burton)
Although version 1 isn't bad with Edmond O'Brien and Michael Redgrave.
2. "Journey to the Center of the Earth"
3. "Fahrenheit 451"
4. "Soylent Green"
5. "A Clockwork Orange"
6. "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"
7. "The Day the Earth Stood Still"
8. "2001 - A Space Odyssey"
9. "Alien"
10. "A Christmas Carol"
rec.arts.movies.past-films
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:27:08 -0800 (PST), "rec.arts.movies.past-films"
>
> >Fantasy can have dark elements but it is essentially AN EXTERNAL
> >fantasization of wondrousness. Vampyr is INTERNAL. It is
> >PSYCHOLOGICAL, DEEP. It is about inner reality.
>
> So are most of the E.T.A. Hoffmann tales. Does that make his stuff
> horror & not fantasy?!
I never done read him.
>
> >Fantasy is like fairytales. There's something childish about it, a
> >wish for unicorns, dragons, talking animals, etc. It is a toyland
> >vision to make us forget about reality and truth.
>
> Is the myth of Psyche & Cupid childish fantasy designed to make us
> forget about reality & truth?
That's myth, not fantasy. Fantasy is escapist fiction. Myths were once
BELIEVED to explain and understand phenomenon, external and internal.
Big difference. Myths were not meant for escapism to help man
understand himself and nature.
>
> >A.I. is an amazing film because it's told as a fairytale wrapped in a
> >nightmare.
>
> It's a riddle wrapped inside a mystery inside an enigma. A rose is a
> rose is a rose. I love you, Alice B. Toklas. You & Bertolucci have
> altered the face of an art form. The date of your post will become a
> landmark in Usenet history comparable to the night in 1913 in Paris
> when "Le sacre du printemps" was first performed.
That's a joke wrapped in sarcasm wrapped in admission that you know
I'm right.
Anim8rFSK
David O. <DavidO...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)
Beat me. I'd toss in THE FABULOUS WORLDS OF JULES VERNE too.
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Bill Anderson
I thought of adding it but then I remembered I don't like it very much.
But I've thought of a couple more I did enjoy:
Something Wicked This Way Comes
7 Faces of Dr. Lao
David O.
<and-...@live.com> wrote:
>That's a joke wrapped in sarcasm wrapped in admission that you know
>I'm right.
NO YOU'RE NOT RIGHT. I'm right. VAMPYR is a fantasy!!!!!!!!!
David O.
wrote:
>In article <8a37j61j2l4eq4kea...@4ax.com>,
> David O. <DavidO...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)
>
>Beat me. I'd toss in THE FABULOUS WORLDS OF JULES VERNE too.
Wait, Fred. You mean that you think 20,000 Leagues is a great fantasy
film?
David O.
<billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Something Wicked This Way Comes
>7 Faces of Dr. Lao
What about Kurosawa's "Dreams"? Is that fantasy?
Bill Anderson
I dunno. Does it have Tony Randall dressed up like Medusa? Cuz if it
doesn't have something like that, it's not a fantasy. I think I read
that somewhere.
Dave in Toronto
Dave M
rec.arts.movies.past-films
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:24:03 -0800 (PST), "rec.arts.movies.past-films"
>
> >That's a joke wrapped in sarcasm wrapped in admission that you know
> >I'm right.
>
> NO YOU'RE NOT RIGHT. I'm right. VAMPYR is a fantasy!!!!!!!!!
If so, Ugetsu, Mulholland Dr, Testament of Dr. Mabuse, and La Jette
would be fantasies too. Vampyr is a dreamery, slumbery, hypnosery
psychosisery, or some suchery.
rec.arts.movies.past-films
> On 1/17/2011 6:44 PM, David O. wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:17:58 -0500, Bill Anderson
>
> >> Something Wicked This Way Comes
> >> 7 Faces of Dr. Lao
>
> > What about Kurosawa's "Dreams"? Is that fantasy?
>
> I dunno. Does it have Tony Randall dressed up like Medusa? Cuz if it
> doesn't have something like that, it's not a fantasy. I think I read
> that somewhere.
>
It's actually more a fablery or naturery. Though it has fantasy
aspects, the point of Dreams is to awaken us to the wonders of nature,
of our own world, our own planet. Kurosawa is telling us to see the
magic that is already there in nature, not escape to some fantasy
world.
David O.
<billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What about Kurosawa's "Dreams"? Is that fantasy?
>
>I dunno. Does it have Tony Randall dressed up like Medusa? Cuz if it
>doesn't have something like that, it's not a fantasy. I think I read
>that somewhere.
Bill, I'm gonna put something goofy on your Facebook page.
David O.
<dmatt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I think_ The Thief of Bagdad_ should be in there somewhere.
It's in my list -- the '24 version.
David O.
<and-...@live.com> wrote:
>> NO YOU'RE NOT RIGHT. I'm right. VAMPYR is a fantasy!!!!!!!!!
>
>If so, Ugetsu, Mulholland Dr, Testament of Dr. Mabuse, and La Jette
>would be fantasies too. Vampyr is a dreamery, slumbery, hypnosery
>psychosisery, or some suchery.
Do some more Mizoguchi transliteration.
Bill Anderson
And it's in my list -- the '40 version.
David O.
<billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I think_ The Thief of Bagdad_ should be in there somewhere.
>>
>> It's in my list -- the '24 version.
>
>And it's in my list -- the '40 version.
That's a good version, Bill. But it doesn't quite measure up to the
'24 version!
<runs>
Tom
> Here's my list of the ten best fantasy movies I know. No surprises really. I
> have seen some very good Chinese fantasy films, but i keep mixing the names
> of those films, so I have been unable to include them in this list.
>
> 1. Time Bandits
> 2. Lord of the Rings Triology
> 3. The Dark Crystalhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083791/
> 4. Conan The Barbarian
> 5. Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau)
> 6. Steamboyhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348121/
> 7. Brødrene Løvehjertehttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075790/
> 9. Pan's Labyrinth
> 10. Star Wars IV: A New Hope
>
> --http://www.booksie.com/michael_wynn(my humble self)www.TheEnglishCollection.com
I can't come up with 10 favorites, Michale, but I do have a few...
The 5000 Fingers of Dr. T
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045464/
The Seven Faces of Dr. Lao
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057812/
The Witches (Nicholas Roeg)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100944/
Field of Dreams
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097351/
Akira (marginal fantasy)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094625/
Tom
Sol L. Siegel
news:s2l9j65vb7rdbejjb...@4ax.com:
Hard to say: Kurosawa insisted that they were inspired by
actual dreams. If that's the case, could he still claim
that he made them up?
For me, that's sometimes a problem with the film, since actual
dream images and fragments can resist dramatization, and there
are many places where I think AK tried too hard. (The horned
demons, for example.) Ecological preaching doesn't help.
BTW, I recall in the mid-1990s a downtown NY art gallery had
a showing of AK's sketches for "Dreams" as well as "Madadayo",
his last film, then unreleased in the the US. Most memorable
were drawings for a dream that wasn't filmed, about a boy
riding a giant eagle.
Sol L. Siegel
> The date of your post will become a
> landmark in Usenet history comparable to the night in 1913 in Paris
> when "Le sacre du printemps" was first performed.
I've been to the Theatre de Champs-elysees, where it happened. The
seats on the side balconies are so tiny that normal-sized men have
trouble breathing and women caught between them are crushed nearly
to death. No wonder the audience rioted.
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
(...and yes, I know people were smaller then - physically.)
David O.
>I've been to the Theatre de Champs-elysees, where it happened. The
>seats on the side balconies are so tiny that normal-sized men have
>trouble breathing and women caught between them are crushed nearly
>to death. No wonder the audience rioted.
I wish we had film footage of that night.
Say, that gives me an idea for a new thread on classical.recordings!
Dave in Toronto
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:35:23 -0800 (PST), Dave in Toronto
>
> >I think_ The Thief of Bagdad_ should be in there somewhere.
>
> It's in my list -- the '24 version.
To be honest I've liked just about one I've seen, the '24 one, the '40
one with Subu and there was even an Italian one that had its moments I
haven't seen the Russian or the German one but I have a feeling I'd
like them too. I guess I just like the subject.
Dave M
Anim8rFSK
David O. <DavidO...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:39:22 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <8a37j61j2l4eq4kea...@4ax.com>,
> > David O. <DavidO...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)
> >
> >Beat me. I'd toss in THE FABULOUS WORLDS OF JULES VERNE too.
>
> Wait, Fred. You mean that you think 20,000 Leagues is a great fantasy
> film?
It's my all time favorite number one with a bullet movie period. :)
I meant "beat me" as in "you beat me to it"
Be sure to catch my model of the Nautilus on the Disney DVD set. It's
in some of the menus (they found a completely off model model someplace
they used for other parts, idiots) but it's most conspicuous as the boat
in the TOUR OF THE NAUTILUS special feature.