PAL dvd format

[Lawrence Chalmers]

Is this playable on Blue-Ray?

[Tom]

On Feb 24, 5:59 pm, law...@webtv.net (Lawrence Chalmers) wrote:
> Is this playable on Blue-Ray?

This might help...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/839920/understanding-hi-def-and-ntsc-pal

Tom

[Nil]

On 24 Feb 2013, law...@webtv.net (Lawrence Chalmers) wrote in
rec.arts.movies.past-films:

> Is this playable on Blue-Ray?

"Blu-Ray" is a standard-definition video format, not a player. Players
that can play Blu-Ray might or might not play PAL. You will have to
check the specs of your particular player.

[hislop]

On 25/02/2013 10:59 AM, Lawrence Chalmers wrote:
> Is this playable on Blue-Ray?
>

Is it PAL if it's bluray?
PAL plays at 50p, NTSC plays at 60p or 24p.
Now NTSC bluray seems to go faster than PAL bluray with the same screen
resolution.
Almost all, all in my memory, bluray feature movies, not necessarily the
extras, play at 24p, and hence are a form of NTSC.
I'm in a PAL country, which really doesn't apply to pre-recorded video
anymore. It only really matters for broadcast television. Probably
because it's retaining compatibility with analog broadcasting.

[hislop]

It's incorrect on the point of all HD is 24p. There is HD that only
plays at 50p.

[Tom]

I made no claims to the veracity of the information... only offered as
a starting point.

Tom

[gtr]

While on this somewhat related topic, I find that iTunes/Netflix
playback of British drama (i.e. Downton Abbey, mini series like Bleak
House) all get played in that irritating choppy looking PAL converted
on-the-fly. Which sucks.

When watching them on TV, though, via BBC America or similar, they all
play smoothly and beautifully. Doc Martin, if memory serves, when
watched via NetFlix, also PAL-choppy, but on PBS, just fine.

What an incredibly nuisance.

[Stone me]

"gtr" <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote in message news:2013022608303052825-xxx@yyyzzz...

The conversions between PAL and NTSC are handled by some of the newer
Blu-ray setups. I have no knowledge of their usefulness, even of my own
setup.
What irks is the region limitation, which can only be avoided with a
"chipped"
player.
Amazon.co.uk are always advertising movies that are both NTSC and region
of the Americas (Region 1 I think)
My eternal moan is of those DVDs made with no subtitles. They are never
advertised as such by the vendor.

Stone me.

[hislop]

ta.. very much

[hislop]

On 27/02/2013 5:09 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message<kgidto$7g2$1...@dont-email.me>

> hislop<takecar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 25/02/2013 10:59 AM, Lawrence Chalmers wrote:
>>> Is this playable on Blue-Ray?
>>>
>
>> Is it PAL if it's bluray?
>> PAL plays at 50p, NTSC plays at 60p or 24p.
>> Now NTSC bluray seems to go faster than PAL bluray with the same screen
>> resolution.
>

> There is no such thing as NTSC BlueRay or PAL Bluray disc. The video
> file is stored on the disc, the player may convert to NTSC/PAL if you
> are using an analog output.

I keep reading this type of thing. I think it's just perception.
The video specs can conform more to NTSC or PAL.
There is no 'neutral' video specification, it is more NTSC or more PAL.
I suggest you get Mediainfo and check your video files.

Maybe I was rash in referring to anything bluray as PAL or NTSC, but the
video specs still conform in the frame speed more to PAL or NTSC.

I don't have bluray files accessible at the moment to check all these
things.

The variation in bluray video also depends on whether it is interlaced
or progressive. South Park blurays and Magical Mystery Tour are 1080i
and will play at 60p and not at 24p.

>
>> Almost all, all in my memory, bluray feature movies, not necessarily the
>> extras, play at 24p, and hence are a form of NTSC.
>

> No.
>

[hislop]

On 27/02/2013 5:09 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message<kgidto$7g2$1...@dont-email.me>
> hislop<takecar...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On 25/02/2013 10:59 AM, Lawrence Chalmers wrote:
>>> Is this playable on Blue-Ray?
>>>
>
>> Is it PAL if it's bluray?
>> PAL plays at 50p, NTSC plays at 60p or 24p.
>> Now NTSC bluray seems to go faster than PAL bluray with the same screen
>> resolution.
>

> There is no such thing as NTSC BlueRay or PAL Bluray disc. The video
> file is stored on the disc, the player may convert to NTSC/PAL if you
> are using an analog output.
>

>> Almost all, all in my memory, bluray feature movies, not necessarily the
>> extras, play at 24p, and hence are a form of NTSC.
>

> No.
>

From the below, 1080i is NTSC with a frame speed of 29.970 fps.
The other has a frame speed of 23.976 fps and has no mention of NTSC or PAL.
So frame speeds are set in the video file and aren't arbitrary. NTSC or
PAL is still retained for interlaced video.

Mediainfo for South Park Season12 disc one bluray 00014.m2ts:
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 22mn 14s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Maximum bit rate : 39.9 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : MBAFF
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC
61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC
61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177


Mediainfo for Adventures of Tin Tin bluray 00386.m2ts:
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1h 44mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 30.7 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.617
Stream size : 22.5 GiB (79%)

[hislop]

On 27/02/2013 5:09 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message<kgidto$7g2$1...@dont-email.me>
> hislop<takecar...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On 25/02/2013 10:59 AM, Lawrence Chalmers wrote:
>>> Is this playable on Blue-Ray?
>>>
>
>> Is it PAL if it's bluray?
>> PAL plays at 50p, NTSC plays at 60p or 24p.
>> Now NTSC bluray seems to go faster than PAL bluray with the same screen
>> resolution.
>

> There is no such thing as NTSC BlueRay or PAL Bluray disc. The video
> file is stored on the disc, the player may convert to NTSC/PAL if you
> are using an analog output.
>

>> Almost all, all in my memory, bluray feature movies, not necessarily the
>> extras, play at 24p, and hence are a form of NTSC.
>

> No.
>

And the frame speed of 23.976 fps is very close to the speed of 3:2
pulldown in NTSC.

[wlah...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:30:30 AM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
>
> When watching them on TV, though, via BBC America or similar, they all
> play smoothly and beautifully. Doc Martin, if memory serves, when
> watched via NetFlix, also PAL-choppy, but on PBS, just fine.
>

I caught Doc Martin on hulu and it was fine. Well, it streamed well. He was a tad exasperating.

[hislop]

You sure they convert? I gave up converskons between PAL and NTSC years
ago. Players and televisions should now do both.

[weary flake]

law...@webtv.net (Lawrence Chalmers) wrote:

> Is this playable on Blue-Ray?

If your blue-ray/DVD player is like my Sony, it
cannot play PAL DVDs. This is an example of
a Blu-ray+DVD set that I can only play the
Blu-ray disc on the player, because the DVD is PAL:

http://www.amazon.com/Great-White-Silence-DVD-Blu-ray/dp/B004KLE38A/

Stupidly, there's a five minute bonus on the
PAL DVD disc that's not on the Blu-Ray disc.
My computer can play PAL DVDs.