Jews and Hollywood. why?
Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim
the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
not to mention millions of dollars?
Was it less hostile to outsiders since it was a new technology and industry,
as opposed to entrenched enterprises like heavy industry and banking?
Is there something in Jewish tradition that favors investing in creativity
or entertainment?
And exactly how did some of these recently arrived thick accented European
Jews advance so rapidly in this new and revolutionary enterprise?
John Harkness
the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
>the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
>not to mention millions of dollars?
>
>Was it less hostile to outsiders since it was a new technology and industry,
>as opposed to entrenched enterprises like heavy industry and banking?
>
>Is there something in Jewish tradition that favors investing in creativity
>or entertainment?
>
Yes. Being shut out of lots of "respectable" or highly paid
professions back in the bad old days.
John Harkness
Sol L. Siegel
>Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
>the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
>not to mention millions of dollars?
Cultural snobbery (remember that pictures started out as cheap
entertainment for poorly-paid urban workers), combined with the
usual result of bigotry: people tend to excel at the only things the
powers-that-be let them do.
>And exactly how did some of these recently arrived thick accented European
>Jews advance so rapidly in this new and revolutionary enterprise?
What did accents have to do with movies before synchronized
sound was commercially viable?
-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
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That which does not kill you can make a good story.
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Sandra Mendoza
advance so rapidly in this new and revolutionary enterprise?>>
Entrepreneurs are frequently immigrants. Most WASP banks wouldn't invest in
Hollywood. An Italian immigrant, Giannini, founder of the Bank of America, did.
Darryl Zanuck was not Jewish and was actually more aggressive in fighting
anti-semitism than Jewish heads of studios. He produced GENTLEMEN'S AGREEMENT.
Ben Stein once wrote an article for Playboy in which he noted the show business
success of many people who'd never gone to college. College teaches you to
criticize (literature, etc.) and that's not what's needed in getting things
done.
Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim
"John Harkness" <j...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
news:3a8d780e....@nntp.attcanada.ca...
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:54:24 GMT, "Man...an ancient race aka king of
> the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they
weren't
> >the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would
make,
> >not to mention millions of dollars?
> >
> >Was it less hostile to outsiders since it was a new technology and
industry,
> >as opposed to entrenched enterprises like heavy industry and banking?
> >
> >Is there something in Jewish tradition that favors investing in
creativity
> >or entertainment?
> >
>
> Yes. Being shut out of lots of "respectable" or highly paid
> professions back in the bad old days.
>
> John Harkness
>
but so were italian immigrants. but instead of turning to hollywood or some
such stuff, they turned to crime.
so were chinese and japanese yet they seemed to lack a vision and even today
asian americans are culturally the least significant(whereas jews who only
make up 2% have contributed so much).
and what about gypsies? they were also at the margins of society yet
they've only perfected tacky road shows and petty crime.
Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim
"Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.comjunkfree> wrote in message
news:20010216143830...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> "Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim" mananci...@hotmail.com
> writes:
>
> >And exactly how did some of these recently arrived thick accented
European
> >Jews advance so rapidly in this new and revolutionary enterprise?
>
> What did accents have to do with movies before synchronized
> sound was commercially viable?
>
i meant how come people who didn't even speak english all that well manage
to procure some of the shrewdest dealin and wheelin.
John Harkness
the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"John Harkness" <j...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
>news:3a8d780e....@nntp.attcanada.ca...
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:54:24 GMT, "Man...an ancient race aka king of
>> the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they
>weren't
>> >the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would
>make,
>> >not to mention millions of dollars?
>> >
>> >Was it less hostile to outsiders since it was a new technology and
>industry,
>> >as opposed to entrenched enterprises like heavy industry and banking?
>> >
>> >Is there something in Jewish tradition that favors investing in
>creativity
>> >or entertainment?
>> >
>>
>> Yes. Being shut out of lots of "respectable" or highly paid
>> professions back in the bad old days.
>>
>> John Harkness
>>
>
>but so were italian immigrants. but instead of turning to hollywood or some
>such stuff, they turned to crime.
>
So did any number of Jews, unless you think that Ben Siegel, Lepke
Buchalter, Arnold Rothstein and Meyer Lansky were Sicilians.
John "Why do I bother?" Harkness
kill-filing thread now
DarrinT68
>From: wrld...@aol.comnojunk (Sandra Mendoza)
>Date: 2/16/01 3:11 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20010216151133...@ng-xa1.aol.com>
>
><< exactly how did some of these recently arrived thick accented European
>Jews
>advance so rapidly in this new and revolutionary enterprise?>>
>
>Entrepreneurs are frequently immigrants. Most WASP banks wouldn't invest in
>Hollywood. An Italian immigrant, Giannini, founder of the Bank of America,
>did.
>
>
>Darryl Zanuck was not Jewish and was actually more aggressive in fighting
>anti-semitism than Jewish heads of studios. He produced GENTLEMEN'S
>AGREEMENT. >
One of the few that wasn't!! Otherwise, all of the founding fathers of
Hollywood were JEWS. Amazing feat, considering that Jews only comprise 1/4 of
1% of the world's population! Even less during the inception of Tinseltown!
LOUIS B. MAYER also created the actual Oscar statuette!! Remember, if not for
JEWS, you and I wouldn't be posting on this very newsgroup! This is just one of
the many reasons why Jews must be cherished and placed on a pedestal. Jews are
so few in number, yet so great in ability! Choose any field, and you will find
that Jews have excelled in it!! Pls. read below:
FOUNDING JEWISH FATHERS OF HOLLYWOOD:
MGM (Louis B. Mayer, Samuel Goldwyn. Mayer also created the actual Oscar
statuette)
UNIVERSAL (Irving Thalberg, Carl Laemmle)
PARAMOUNT/RKO (David O. Selznick, Adolph Zucker)
WARNER BROS. (Jack Warner)
20TH CENTURY FOX FILM CORP (William Fox, Jacob Loeb)
COLUMBIA (Harry Cohn)
ORION/AMERICAN INTERNATIONAL PICTURES (Samuel Z. Arkoff)
* The Hollywood Jews who created the American Dream
* How Jews were involved in every "movie first"
* The producers and directors who added the "Jewish touch"
* The Spielberg phenomenon that made Jewish values and ideas universal
* Unmasking the stars to tell you who's really Jewish
Many scholars agree that movies have shaped American culture more than any
other medium. Movies give us many of our heroes. Movies that help identify our
values. They help define for us love and life, the "good guys" and the "bad
guys." They teach us to laugh and to cry. And most important of all, they imbue
us with our dreams. Hollywood movies, probably more than anything else, created
the American dream and then exported it around the world. And wonders to
wonders, the founding fathers of cinema and many of the most important movers
and shakers of this industry were none other than the descendants of Abraham.
Progeny of the very people who in ancient days sought to influence the world by
using holy wood to build a temple, would now create Hollywood to build an
industry that would attract devout worshipers and insatiable devotees. The
story of the birth of the movies is so fascinating, it ought to be made into a
movie!!
THE FOUNDING FATHERS
* Carl Laemmle was born in a small village in Germany, fled from the poverty of
his background to come to America, and founded Universal Pictures
* Adolph Zucker was born in Hungary, became orphaned as a small child, came to
America lonely, and unloved, and built Paramount Pictures.
* William Fox, also born in Hungary, came to the States as a poor immigrant
selling soda and sandwiches and working as a chimney sweeper until he one day
founded the Fox Film Corporation.
* Louis B. Mayer was born in Russia, fled his father's junkyard business, and
eventually headed up the greatest studio of all, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.
* Benjamin Warner came from Poland to seek fortune in America. Here he worked
as a cobbler in Baltimore, peddled notions from a wagon, and tried to eke out a
living so that he could feed his four sons, Harry, Sam, Albert, and Jack. Then
he bought a broken movie projector and one thing led to another, until
incredibly enough, Warner brothers was born.
Yes, they were all Jews, but the connection goes deeper. They all came from a
background of failure. They either had no father or their father was a
luftmensch - a man in the air who could never find a permanent job. Maybe it's
too Freudian, but Neal Gabler, in his fascinating study of the Jewish influence
on Hollywood, An Empire Of Their Own, suggested: The evidence certainly
supports the view that the sons, embittered by their father's failures,
launched a war against their own pasts, a patricide one could say, against
everything their fathers respresented. To escape their father's fate meant
escaping their past: The European roots, the language and accents, the customs
and the religion. One had to erase it...and adopt a new style - a style for
America. America was the vaptism to cleanse and renew.
These were immigrants who not only wanted to assimilate in a new land, they
wanted to re-create it in their own image. Movies gave them a power that was
almost God-like: If they were too late to create the world, they could at least
create America- its values and its myths, its traditions and its archetype, its
hopes and its dreams. And so it was the Jewish immigrants who came from the
shetels and the ghettos, who fled poverty and persecution, who thought up,
produced, and then mass marketed nothing less than the American dream.
Fred Rosenblatt
ancient race aka king of the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It wasn't considered a respectable industry in those days (any more than
it was in Shakespeare's).
Don't kick yourself though. Maybe it is only the intelligence and
creativity of the Jews that propelled the industry into what it has
become today. If there had been more of you involved early on, it
might have fizzles quickly.
James Kahn
>In article <kPdj6.73146$Y6.21...@news1.mntp1.il.home.com>, "Man...an
>ancient race aka king of the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
>>the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
>>not to mention millions of dollars?
>It wasn't considered a respectable industry in those days (any more than
>it was in Shakespeare's).
>Don't kick yourself though. Maybe it is only the intelligence and
>creativity of the Jews that propelled the industry into what it has
>become today. If there had been more of you involved early on, it
>might have fizzles quickly.
There was an entire book on exactly this question, by (I think) Neil
Gabler. I've only read parts of it, but part of the argument is
related to the particular drive of these immigrants to assimilate and
live out the American Dream. A lot of the early movie moguls
intermarried and completely abandoned Judaism.
--
Jim
New York, NY
(Please remove "nospam." to get my e-mail address)
http://www.panix.com/~kahn
Joseph Hertzlinger
the goyim <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"John Harkness" <j...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
>news:3a8d780e....@nntp.attcanada.ca...
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:54:24 GMT, "Man...an ancient race aka king
>> of the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they
>> >weren't the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact
>> >movies would make, not to mention millions of dollars?
>> >
>> >Was it less hostile to outsiders since it was a new technology and
>> >industry, as opposed to entrenched enterprises like heavy industry
>> >and banking?
>> >
>> >Is there something in Jewish tradition that favors investing in
>> >creativity or entertainment?
>> >
>>
>> Yes. Being shut out of lots of "respectable" or highly paid
>> professions back in the bad old days.
>but so were italian immigrants. but instead of turning to hollywood
>or some such stuff, they turned to crime.
Others became policemen and prosecutors. Hmmm... I wonder if Jews
are disproportionately likely to be film critics?
I can use a similar analogy to take one of the possible directions of
this thread and make something reasonable of it:
Al Capone:Rudy Giuliani::Karl Marx:Ayn Rand
(I don't know if this is what you were planning but it is possible
that you might be trying to tie Hollywood, Jews, and leftists together
and use other ethnic stereotypes as a precedent.)
MarcColten
Edison tried his hand at some shorts but they were pretty offensive to anyone
but native born WASPs.
Maybe it was the fact that immigrants were closer to the audience and produced
entertainment that people would actually go to see.
Just a thought.
Albert Reingewirtz
ancient race aka king of the goyim <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
No wanted to give a chance to Jews in any industry so Jews started
their won from scratch.
Man...an ancient aka Sir Anthony Gazzo
but they were at the more intricate and tricky areas of crime. like in
casino, italians eat their pasta and meatballs and bust balls and heads but
don't have the brains or skills of that deniro character.
Helen & Bob
"Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim" wrote:
> "John Harkness" <j...@attcanada.ca> wrote in message
> news:3a8d780e....@nntp.attcanada.ca...
> > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:54:24 GMT, "Man...an ancient race aka king of
> > the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they
> weren't
> > >the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would
> make,
> > >not to mention millions of dollars?
> > >
> > >Was it less hostile to outsiders since it was a new technology and
> industry,
> > >as opposed to entrenched enterprises like heavy industry and banking?
> > >
> > >Is there something in Jewish tradition that favors investing in
> creativity
> > >or entertainment?
> > >
> >
> > Yes. Being shut out of lots of "respectable" or highly paid
> > professions back in the bad old days.
> >
> > John Harkness
> >
>
> but so were italian immigrants. but instead of turning to hollywood or some
> such stuff, they turned to crime.
Like A.P. Gianinni, who founded the Bank of America.
Tony, get off the nationalistic troll. There have been good and bad in all
groups that came here.
In the 20's, there were as many Jewish gangsters as there were italian. You
HAVE heard of Bugsy Segal, right?
>
>
> so were chinese and japanese yet they seemed to lack a vision and even today
> asian americans are culturally the least significant
You obviously have not lived in the western USA.
Bob
>
Man...an ancient aka Sir Anthony Gazzo
"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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let's not go overboard. without hollywood, movies might have evolved into a
more artistic artform. i mean you don't go to broadway musicals for great
theatre.
Man...an ancient aka Sir Anthony Gazzo
"Albert Reingewirtz" <alb...@nethere.com> wrote in message
news:160220011411138861%>
No wanted to give a chance to Jews in any industry so Jews started
> their won from scratch.
you know that jewish guy in ragtime who makes a movie sketchbook and then
becomes a director? were there stories like that?
Susan Cohen
"Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim" wrote:
> Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
> the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
> not to mention millions of dollars?
Because the goyim wouldn't let them in on the already established
enterprise, so they went out to Hollywood & did it better.
Of course, they lost their Jewishness along the way.
Susan
DarrinT68
>Date: 2/16/01 3:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20010216154434...@ng-bk1.aol.com>
Continued:
THE MOVIE "FIRSTS"
Even before the powerful movie studios ruled the industry, one-reeler shorts
were made, forerunners of films as we know them. Probably the first one
produced was Cohen's Advertising Scheme. The story line was pretty simple: A
Jewish storekeeper tries unsuccessfully to make a sale. He finally gives up and
gives the vagrant, who didn't buy it, a full-length coat as a gift. When the
vagrant turns around, we see a sign advertising the store painted on the back.
So the very first movie made clear that the Jews were great salesman. It would
become a fitting metaphor for the movie industry that would make its mark with
brilliant advertising.
The first American feature film was The Great Train Robbery (1903) starring a
Jew, Max Anderson, in the lead. Anderson went on to write, produce and act in
the very successful series of westerns - "Bronco Billy" - a theme Jewish
producers would find irresistible, maybe, just maybe, because it portrayed the
themes of heroism, conquering a new land, and overpowering the "strangers"
(translate that to mean Indians or Cossacks) who wanted to kill you?
The first large Hollywood production, from Adolph Zucker's Paramount, was
Queen Elizabeth (1912), starring the incomparable Sarah Bernhardt. Here was
more than a Jewish American Princess; Sarah, in the first major film, actually
made it to Queen. It was the success of this movie - the first film to be shown
in legitimate theater halls - that allowed Zucker to claim film as a legitimate
art form.
But the biggest "first" of all, the one that catapulted movies from a minor
diversion to a major form of communication was the move into "talkies." And the
Jewish connection wasn't only that it was Warner Brothers that made the
picture. The first full-length talking film told the story of a young man who
rejected the wish of his father, a cantor, who wanted him, too, to become a
cantor. The cantor's son, instead of singing to God in the temple, chose to
become a popular singer. The movie was really the story of Al Jolson's life. In
a deeper sense, as the story of children breaking with their past for popular
acclaim and fame, it was also the story of almost all the patriarchs of
Hollywood.
PRODUCED BY...
As the studios grew, so did the role of the Jews there. Barney became president
of Paramount in 1936; Nicholas and Joseph Schenk became presidents of MGM; and
Irving Thalberg, the wunderkind of the film industry and movie legend who was
responsible for production at the age of 23, was manager of MGM from the end of
the 1920s until his death in 1936. When independent producers started to
challenge the major studios, again the majority of them were Jews. Probably the
most outstanding independent was Mike Todd, producer of Around the World in 80
Days. Todd was responsible for trhe Todd-AO new method of cinematography and,
according to many, responsible for Elizabeth Taylor joining the misshpachah and
converting to Judaism.
David O. Selznick, son of industry pioneer Lewis J. Selznick, produced Gone
With The Wind (1939), one of the all-time movie classics. Hal Roach made us
laugh with the Harold lloyd series and the Laurel And Hardy films of the 20s
and 30s. Sam Spiegel used his high artistic standards to produce such fine
films such as the African Queen, On The Waterfront, The Bridge On The River
Quai, and Lawrence Of Arabia. Stanley Kramer, another independent producer, was
responsible for some of the best films to come out of Hollywood after 1945:
Home Of The Brave, Champion, High Noon, and Death Of A Salesman. He would later
direct On The Beach, Judgment At Nuremberg and Ship Of Fools.
DIRECTED BY...
To be a director has to be a Jew's dream job. Descended from people who
throughout the ages have been told what to do by others, it must be the
ultimate thrill to finally be able to tell others what to do. No wonder so many
Jews made their mark as film directors! Ernst ubitsch came to this country from
Germany in 1923, after making a name for himself in his native country. He
directed sophisticated comedies with such finesse that a new phrase was coined
in Hollywood, "The Lubitsch touch." To him we owe Ninotchka, To Be Or Not To
Be, and Cluny Brown. Erich Van Stroheim and Josef Von Sternberg began the
trend toward realism. To Sternberg we owe Marlene Deitrich's performance in
Blue Angel - and from then on Detrich considered him her permanent director.
Any movie buff will know and appreciate these other names in our Jewish Hall
of Fame: William Wyler, Billy Wilder, Jules Dassin, Garson Carlin, Fred
Zinnemann, Joseph L. Mankiewicz, Sidney Lumet, John Frankenheimer, Roman
Polanski, Michael Curtiz, Mervyn LeRoy, Otto Preminger, Richard Brooks, George
Cukor, Daniel Mann, and Robert Rossen, etc, etc, etc. eheh
THE DIRECTOR WITH JEWISH ANGST
As the Jacob-of-all-trades, one of the most famous of all in the movie industry
is Allen Stewart Konigsberg. Oh, maybe you don't recognize him by his name his
parents gave him when he was born in the Flatbish section of Brookllyn, New
York. But of course you've heard of Woody Allen - director, screenwriter,
playwright, actor, and self-described genius. Like many other Jews, Allen had
problems coming to terms with his past and his heritage. In his early stand-up
routines, Allen would quip about his parents: "Their values are God and
carpeting." He explained his problem about believing in God this way: "If only
God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a
Swiss bank." he obsessed about his mortality: "It's not that I'm afraid to die.
I just don't want to be there when it happens." And, as a Jew, he was so
depressed by the lessons of history that told he told a 1980 college graduating
class: "More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction.
Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."
Woody Allen may well be neurotic. For some he is a protypical "self-hating
Jew." And his private life has had its problems. But his incredible talent
simply cannot be denied; his creative genius set the standard for comedy as an
art form. How many of these would you rank among the all-time great films ever
produced, directed, and written? What's New Pussycat?, Play It Again Sam, Take
The Money And Run, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (But Were
Afraid To ask), Annie Hall, Interiors, Manhattan, Stardust Memories, Zelig,
Radio Days, Hannah & Her Sisters, and Crimes And Misdemeanors. And this is only
a sampling of Allen's films. Not bad for a college drop-out from NYU and City
College.
AND "THE SPIELBERG PHENOMENON"
Steven Spielberg says that his earliest memory is a brightly lit room with a
red light on one end, filled with white-bearded old men wearing black hats -
the Cincinnate synagogue into which he was carried by his parents when he was
six months old. Since then he probably hasn't forgotten a thing. And he can
describe everything with total recall.
Spielberg was a self-described "Jewish nerd" who felt like an alien in the
gentile world around him. That may well make him the subconscious role model
for E.T. - and reveal for the first time that E.T. was really Jewish!!
Bar mitzvahed in an Orthodox synagogue, Spielberg's movies all have a profound
link with his identity. They share his perception of the world as a member of a
people who have been considered outsiders for countless centuries. Close
Encounters of the Third Kind is really a religious conviction that "there's
something else out there." Raiders of the Lost Ark, a movie about an American
archaeologist vying with the Nazis to find a sacred relic with cosmic power, is
a parable of good struggling with evil for control of the religious power that
comes with the past . E.T. is the way a modern Jew would record an encounter
with a Biblical angel. Jurassic Park tells the incredible tale of a dinasour -
an animal that surely would have been extinct by now - coming back to life.
Do you know Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones from Ezekiel 37:1-14?
Speilberg did the last editing cut on Jurassic Park while he was filming
Schindler's List in Poland. The remarkable connection between the two couldn't
have been lost on him: By all logic, the Jews should have disappeared during
the Holocaust just as th dinosaurs did eons earlier. But a remnant survived.
That remnant served as a remarkable conclusion to Schindler's List when those
who were saved filed past the grave of Oskar Schindler to give thanks. The
screen told us how the hundreds who didn't perish were blessed to become
thousands and thousands in the next generation.
Whenever the Torah is carried back to the Ark after being read in synagogue
services, the congregation recites the prayer, "Renew our days as of old."
Sounds a lot to me like Back To The Future, a theme so imporatnt to Spielberg
that he went ahead and made Back To The Future II and III.
By all accounts, as well as by uts seven Oscars, Schindler's List is the most
powerful, the most revealing, and the most sensitive movie ever made about the
Holocaust. It has probably been able to make a greater impression on humankind
than all the Holocaust museums combined. And, as Spielberg made clear on the
screen, the aim of this masterpiece is to make the world understand a simple
Talmudic teaching: "He who saves one's soul is as if he has saved an entire
world."
We might have thought that after this there was surely nothing Spielberg could
do for an encore. Real genius, however, knows no limits. The greatest jewish
ideal of all is shalom - peace. Who else but Spielberg could have given us
Saving Private Ryan - the movie that will assuredly go down in history as the
ultimate depiction of the horros of the war. It is the one movie that may
perhaps turn the prophetic ideal of peace into reality.
STARRING: NAME THAT JEW
Let's play a game. You're welcome to try it with your friends. I call it "NAME
THAT JEW." For the purpose of the online world, I will supply you the birth
names & corresponding stage names of some famous stars:
Issuri Danielovitch-Demsky (KIRK DOUGLAS)
Fanny Rose (DINAH SHORE)
Melvin Israel (MEL ALLEN)
Emanuel Goldenberg (EDWARD G. ROBINSON)
Allen Stewart Konigsberg (WOODY ALLEN)
Judith Tuvin (JUDY HOLIDAY)
Julius Garfinkle (JOHN GARFIELD)
Simone Kaminker (SIMONE SIGNORET)
Shirley Schrift (SHELLY WINTERS)
Jospeh Levitch (JERRY LEWISH)
Theodoria Goodman (THEDA BARA)
Pauline Marion Levee (PAULETTE GODDARD)
Milton Berlinger (MILTON BERLE)
Benjamin Kubelsky (JACK BENNY)
Asa Yoelson (AL JOLSON)
Tula Ellice Finkler (CYD CHARISSE)
Betty Jane Perske (LAUREN BACALL)
Leslie Stainer (LESLIE HOWARD)
Joan Molinsky (JOAN RIVERS)
Jill Oppenheim (JILL ST. JOHN)
Sophie Abruzza (SOPHIE TUCKER)
Jerome Silberman (GENE WILDER)
Robert Zimmerman (BOB DYLAN)
Laszlo Lowenstein (PETER LORRE)
David Kominski (DANNY KAYE)
Eugene Orowitz (MICHAEL LANDON)
Eric Weiss (HARRY HOUDINI)
Bernie Schwartz (TONY CURTIS)
Howard Silverblatt (HOWARD SASILVA)
Michael Igor Peschowsky (MIKE NICHOLS)
Al, Jimmy, And Harry Joachim (THE RITZ BROTHERS)
Sophia Koscow (SYLVIA SIDNEY)
Avram Girsch Goldberger (MIKE TODD)
Isaiah Leopold (ED WYNN)
THE LEAST YOU NEED TO KNOW
* Jewish immigrants are the founding fathers of almost all of the Hollywood
studios, and they continue to bring their vision of the American Dream to the
screen.
* All the movie firsts - firts one-reeler, first feature film, first talkie -
all have an important jewish theme or demension.
* Jews played and continue to play a major role as producers and directors of
some of the most important films in cinema history.
* Woody allen occupies a unique place in movie history for his multifaceted
genius and his comic ingenuity.
* Steven Spielberg has managed to universalize Jewish values in a way like no
one else and leaves an unparalleled legacy that includes the most powerful
films ever made about war and the Holocaust.
* There were many famous Jewish actors and actresses who were compelled to
change their names so that they'd appear more "American."
* It's much easier today in Hollywood for Jews to be successful without having
to hide their background.
DarrinT68
>mananci...@hotmail.com
>Date: 2/16/01 3:19 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <hXfj6.73156$Y6.21...@news1.mntp1.il.home.com>
Simple: Jews have long placed value on education and work, while never adopting
the hate that their detractors placed upon them. Jews were blessed with a sweet
gift!! The gift of invaluable creation and vision!! Why else did God choose
The Jews as his people!? Incidentally, you also conveniently omitted: a
thousand years of persecution and the loss of 6 million Jews during the
Holocaust. When you combine those factors w/ comprising just 1/4 of 1% of the
world's population, then and only then can you begin to understand why Jews are
the eighth wonders of this world! This is precisely what separates Jews from
any other group of people. Because no other people have persevered like the
Jews have!!
ros...@dslextreme.com
for Hollywood.
Rosanne
DarrinT68
>Date: 2/16/01 3:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3a8d8f2f....@nntp.attcanada.ca>
Without Bugsy Siegel, there wouldn't be a LAS VEGAS!! As insane and ruthless as
he was, "the Jew" was still able to rise above the rest of the billions of
Goyim and become a visionary!! JEWS always become synonymous with worldwide
history and culture. As for LUCKY LEPKE, MYER LANSKY (Ben Kingsley portrayed
him in BUGSY, as did Richard Dreyfuss in Lansky) and DUTCH SHULTZ (Hoffman
portrayed him in Billy Bathgate, James Remar portrayed him in The Cotton
Club)!? They combined brains w/ braun! Remember, JEWS taught the ITALIANS how
to use their scruples. Jewish mobsters were the accountants, the brains behind
many of the Goyim. But alas, the overwhelming majority of Jews have done more
good for society than bad. Unfortunately, anti-semites tend to use Jewish
gangsters and David "SON OF SAM" Berkowitz as a means to tarnish the good name
of my people as a whole. Which is what you seem to apparently be doing,
instead of accepting the ingenious role that Jews have played throughout our
history!! Remember, we are all subject to fallibility. At the same time, Jews
come pretty darn close to perfection!eheee
Helen & Bob
DarrinT68 wrote:
Congratulations, Darrin. You actually posted without obnoxious capitals and your
silly ehehehehehehe. I knew you could, if you could only keep hold of your
emotions. Now, let us test your knowledge of the jews. Where is the only country
where the jews did not keep their identity, and were absorbed into the population,
and why.
Bob
DarrinT68
>Date: 2/16/01 5:01 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <96k803$sm4$1...@slb4.atl.mindspring.net>
>
>
>Others became policemen and prosecutors. Hmmm... I wonder if Jews
>are disproportionately likely to be film critics?
Sizzle cheeks, we excel in that area as well: Gene Shalit, Gene Siskel, Pauline
Kael, Jeffrey Lyons, Joel Siegel, Michael Medved, Professor Richard Brown (AMC,
NYC METRO), etc. Coincidence that some of the biggest names in the film critic
world have always been Jews!? DOH! Once again, choose any area, and you will
find that Jews have not only excelled in it, but have become synonymous with
their desired profession.
DarrinT68
>Date: 2/16/01 5:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3A8DAB22...@ix.netcom.com>
Bob, hate to rain on your parade, but Jews were also the founding fathers of
Banking!!ehehe Also no coincidence why Allen Greenpsan is our Federal Reserve
Chairman!! One of the most powerful men in the world! Pls. read below: Haym
Salomon of revolutionary fame and Isaac Moses who, with Alexander Hamilton, was
one of the founders of the Bank of New York in 1784. It was not until the
Jewish-German immigration of the 1840s that the presence of Jewish bankers was
felt in America. Some of the established German banks sent representatives, but
for the most part, Between 1840 and 1880, a dozen first-rate banking houses
were started: Bache; August Belmont; Goldman, Sachs; J.W. Seligman; Kuhn, Loeb;
Ladenburg, Thalmann; Lazard Freres; Lehman Brothers; Rothschilds, Speyer; and
Wertheim. Bob, where are all of your ITALIANS!? LOL!
Howard Brazee
"Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim" wrote:
Different immigrants go into different industries based upon what they see their
peers do, and what their educations facilitate. There were lots of Jewish
immigrants when Hollywood started up - old Jewish families didn't move to
Hollywood, new ones did. It was an immigrant thing.
Albert Reingewirtz
Anonymous <nob...@noisebox.remailer.org> wrote:
> In article <3A8DAC8B...@his.com>
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
> > > the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would
> > > make,
> > > not to mention millions of dollars?
> >
> > Because the goyim wouldn't let them in on the already established
> > enterprise, so they went out to Hollywood & did it better.
> > Of course, they lost their Jewishness along the way.!
>
> Yay! At least something good came out of it. No more crazed, head-bobbing,
> black clothes wearing whackos.
Yep, you are a coward white trash or Aryan brotherhood misfit who
doesn't have the decency to post with his own name. Coward!
Helen & Bob
Helen & Bob wrote:
> DarrinT68 wrote:
> >
> > Simple: Jews have long placed value on education and work, while never adopting
> > the hate that their detractors placed upon them. Jews were blessed with a sweet
> > gift!! The gift of invaluable creation and vision!! Why else did God choose
> > The Jews as his people!? Incidentally, you also conveniently omitted: a
> > thousand years of persecution and the loss of 6 million Jews during the
> > Holocaust. When you combine those factors w/ comprising just 1/4 of 1% of the
> > world's population, then and only then can you begin to understand why Jews are
> > the eighth wonders of this world! This is precisely what separates Jews from
> > any other group of people. Because no other people have persevered like the
> > Jews have!!
>
> Congratulations, Darrin. You actually posted without obnoxious capitals and your
> silly ehehehehehehe. I knew you could, if you could only keep hold of your
> emotions. Now, let us test your knowledge of the jews. Where is the only country
> where the jews did not keep their identity, and were absorbed into the population,
> and why.
> Bob
Darren, you have answered other posts, but not this one.
Why not?
Why are you avoiding this one?
Bob
Sawfish
I'd like tyo hazard a guess.
Even today, the financing and organization of film, especially independent
film, is one of the most wide-open areas of entrepreneurial endeavors
imaginable. Compared to buying selling something like commercial real
estate, which is pretty simple stuff, getting a concept off the ground is,
well, wide open. There are a billion ways to do it.
This environment favors anyone who has had, either persoanlly or
culturally, an exposure to commercial enterprise, especially enterprises
that require risk. This fits the background of many immigrants of Jewish
background to a tee, who qualified on both counts. Many of those from
Europe were proscribed from land-holding, and so for many generations made
their way in mercantile trade, and the most fundamental of all businesses,
finance. This background, coming as it did into the free-for-all of early
Hollywood, was a great advantage.
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jprhedd
Bill Warren
>>Yep, you are a coward white trash or Aryan brotherhood misfit who
>>doesn't have the decency to post with his own name. Coward!
>
>Anti Privacy Jew. I post anonymously because I have the power, the IT
>know-how and the technology to do so. Deal with it!
A bigot is a bigot, and an anonymous coward is an anonymous coward. You're
both, and garbage to boot. Bye bye
Avoid normal situations.
> Albert Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote:
[..]
> Anti Privacy Jew. I post anonymously because I have the power, the IT know-how and the technology to do so.
And I got the boogie and I got the woogie.
*plonk*
--
alt.flame "<Blues Brothers> I hate Illinois Nazis </Blues Brothers>" Special
Forces
"I want to know what happens next, not what happened last year in Marienbad.
If it was last year, if it was Marienbad, if it did happen. That kind of
script you can knock out on a rainy afternoon."
-- I. A. L. Diamond, inadvertently admitting that he
totally missed the point of _Last Year at Marienbad_
Albert Reingewirtz
<by...@NOSPAM.olagrande.net> wrote:
> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> > Albert Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> > Anti Privacy Jew. I post anonymously because I have the power, the IT
> > know-how and the technology to do so.
You have the power to hide your name coward. But of course I have the
power to filter scums. So, plunk!
Man...an Ancient race...
>
> Simple: Jews have long placed value on education and work, while never
adopting
> the hate that their detractors placed upon them. Jews were blessed with a
sweet
> gift!! The gift of invaluable creation and vision!! Why else did God
choose
> The Jews as his people!? Incidentally, you also conveniently omitted: a
> thousand years of persecution and the loss of 6 million Jews during the
> Holocaust. When you combine those factors w/ comprising just 1/4 of 1% of
the
> world's population, then and only then can you begin to understand why
Jews are
> the eighth wonders of this world! This is precisely what separates Jews
from
> any other group of people. Because no other people have persevered like
the
> Jews have!!
>
philosemitism is a form of antisemitism.
Man...an Ancient race...
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i think he likes bob as pitbull, not french poodle.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 08:19 PM, "Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim"
<mananci...@hotmail.com> said:
>but so were italian immigrants. but instead of turning to hollywood
>or some such stuff, they turned to crime.
Some did. Most didn't. Some Jews turned to crime, e.g., Lansky.
>so were chinese and japanese yet they seemed to lack a vision and
>even today asian americans are culturally the least significant
The last time that I looked, Chinese and Japanese were high achievers,
despite massive prejudice.
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>>or some such stuff, they turned to crime.
>
this kind of group stereotyping ignores the real truth. IN every group,
whether it's a race, religion, ethnic or national group you get the same split.
Most go to work and do their best to provide for their family. Some go into
business and do well, others become scholars and, unfortunately, some turn to
crime. Every group has its thugs. The pattern is often the same as well.
They start by terrorizing their own groups and then graduate to attacking
society at large. Early on it was the Irish and Germans, then Jewish
gangsters, then Italians. Today you see the same pattern in Asian and Russian
gangs. Some have ties to groups back home (like the Mafia or Tongs), others
are 100% American.
MarcColten
>from
>> any other group of people. Because no other people have persevered like
>the
>> Jews have!!
>>
>
>philosemitism is a form of antisemitism.
I'm not sure what that means, but if there's one thing I've learned is never to
be too proud of the group you belong to because:
1. Someone in your group will always do something to screw it up and
2. Just because someone in your group did something good, that doesn't mean
that YOU have done anything. I mean how many points do I get just because I'm
in the same group as Albert Einstein and Sandy Koufax? Answer - zero.
Jim S.
interested in it.
Jim S.
Man...an Ancient race...
"MarcColten" <marcc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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philosemitism is antisemitism because it expects more from jews than
anyother people.
there are good jews, okay jews, and bad jews. as with gentiles.
philosemitism is one of liberalism's idiocies. and,
i think another problems with liberalism is afrophilism. it may not be
racial bigotry but it's racial favoritism that is just as blind and
irrational.(just as our favoritist position regarding jews have blinded us
to the plight of palestinians)
like the current ken burn's orgy, JAZZ. it's not a critical analysis or
perspective on jazz, just hours and hours of how we white folks would have
nothing but polka and repressed attitudes had it not been for louie.
i like funning around and wild sexuality but there is flipside to that coin,
esp when it comes to dominate culture. the level of black children born
out of wedlock, the level of teenage pregnancies, the lack of discipline in
school, etc, the depiction of woman as skanky broads and ho's are also some
of the legacies of jazz and rock's emphasis on primacy of fun and sensuality
while sneering at all those stuff shirts who keep the train running on time.
it's really a mixed picture.
or take muhammad ali. he was entertaing and funny but he was also a
megalomaniac, purveyor of black macho attitudes, arrogant, infantile.
look at rappers and today's many stupid athletes with attitude, and that is
the flipside of ali's badass-ism. liberals only want to emphasize ali the
champion of black pride and justice when it was also the recipe for thuggery
and hostile macho attitudes(Ali had a great deal of charm and got away with
his las vegas style antics but many athletes and street punks are NOT
charming nor funny, and a little humility wouldn't do them and the rest of
society some good).
but we can't expect the likes of ken burns to be openminded, just
'openminded', which means white boys salivating like retards at all things
non-white, esp. black.
Man...an Ancient race...
"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
message news:3a8f47d7$11$fuzhry$mr2...@va.news.verio.net...
> >so were chinese and japanese yet they seemed to lack a vision and
> >even today asian americans are culturally the least significant
>
> The last time that I looked, Chinese and Japanese were high achievers,
> despite massive prejudice.
>
chinese and japanese have been successful at studying hard and climbing the
social ladder but only by following rules.
few, if any, asian-american has changed american society in medicine and
science. and where is the asian american arthur miller, philip roth, saul
bellow, etc.?
they are indeed a silent minority. i think asian culture lacks chutzpah.
or panache. it's deeply hierarchical and this attitude has been carried
over to america and hard to discard.
John Reilly
There are fairly good reasons why many banks were owned and run by Jews, and
a lot of it involves a large global organisation based in Italy.
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Helen & Bob
John Reilly wrote:
> "DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
Has anybody noticed how quiet DarrinT68 has become in this discussion?
Bob
Sawfish
Yes. I agree. Those who seek "glory by association" must be ready to
accept "guilt by association" or "failure by association" as well. The key
is that associative traits are largely bogus: it is individual traits that
are important.
People who seek glory by group association seldom accept the converse,
I've found, and this reinforces the notion that as individuals, they
are indeed mofo's.
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Sawfish
I disagree that "afrophilism" is not bigotry. I believe that it is a very
insidious form of bigotry.
Those people that fancy themselves liberal and affect outrage at the mere
mention of a person's skin color, ethnicity, cultural practices, etc., do
so for one simple reason: they, themselves, feel that to be
black/yellow/red/brown would be so demeaning that, in their sensitivity
and their rush to distance themselves from all things bigoted, they show
that the mere word "Negro" or "Mexican" must itself be an insult, since
they dfeel that these folks are not their equals.
It's like a favored supervisor of mine, in the old days, told me regarding
racism in Hawaii. "Oh, yeah. They're racist in Hawaii. But they're honest
racists."
<SNIP>
>or take muhammad ali. he was entertaing and funny but he was also a
>megalomaniac, purveyor of black macho attitudes, arrogant, infantile.
>look at rappers and today's many stupid athletes with attitude, and that is
>the flipside of ali's badass-ism. liberals only want to emphasize ali the
>champion of black pride and justice when it was also the recipe for thuggery
>and hostile macho attitudes(Ali had a great deal of charm and got away with
>his las vegas style antics but many athletes and street punks are NOT
>charming nor funny, and a little humility wouldn't do them and the rest of
>society some good).
This is a good observation. Several years ago I concluded that the
tasteless trash-talking that occurs in modern sport (and is in some cases
penalized as "taunting") can be laid at the feet of Ali. I liked Ali, a
lot. He had a certain speck of self-mockery and it was evident that to
some degree, he didn't take himself seriously, but those lesser athletes
who followed are neither as charming or realistic as was Ali. So, yep: he
popularized this form of rhetoical insult, in my opinion.
Sawfish
Perhaps it could be summed up by this bit of advice, over-generalized
though it is:
If you want to party, do it with French Canadians, but under no
circumstances should you do it with Japanese nationals.
David Matthews
> <SNIP>
>
> >or take muhammad ali. he was entertaing and funny but he was also a
> >megalomaniac, purveyor of black macho attitudes, arrogant, infantile.
> >look at rappers and today's many stupid athletes with attitude, and that
is
> >the flipside of ali's badass-ism. liberals only want to emphasize ali
the
> >champion of black pride and justice when it was also the recipe for
thuggery
> >and hostile macho attitudes(Ali had a great deal of charm and got away
with
> >his las vegas style antics but many athletes and street punks are NOT
> >charming nor funny, and a little humility wouldn't do them and the rest
of
> >society some good).
>
> This is a good observation. Several years ago I concluded that the
> tasteless trash-talking that occurs in modern sport (and is in some cases
> penalized as "taunting") can be laid at the feet of Ali. I liked Ali, a
> lot. He had a certain speck of self-mockery and it was evident that to
> some degree, he didn't take himself seriously, but those lesser athletes
> who followed are neither as charming or realistic as was Ali. So, yep: he
> popularized this form of rhetoical insult, in my opinion.
>
It's true, I think, that Ali never took himself seriously. In an interview
he said that he had stolen his "I am the greatest" routine from wrestler
Gorgeous George and that he never actually thought he was the greatest of
anything. Ali was a charmer but I always found his humor very childish which
in itself was kind of endearing.
Nick Tosches in his book "The Devil and Sonny Liston" maintains that Sonny
Liston (always regarded as a complete animal) had a far more subtle sense of
humor than Ali. Liston gave this description of his career as a thief in
his early days "I used to find things before they went missing."
Dave
Bill Warren
>
>Those people that fancy themselves liberal and affect outrage at the mere
>mention of a person's skin color, ethnicity, cultural practices, etc., do
>so for one simple reason: they, themselves, feel that to be
>black/yellow/red/brown would be so demeaning that, in their sensitivity
>and their rush to distance themselves from all things bigoted, they show
>that the mere word "Negro" or "Mexican" must itself be an insult, since
>they dfeel that these folks are not their equals.
Oh, lordy.
Susan Cohen
Albert Reingewirtz wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself, Albert.
Susan
Susan Cohen
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <170220010515274307%alb...@nethere.com>
> Albert Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote:
>
> >Yep, you are a coward white trash or Aryan brotherhood misfit who
> >doesn't have the decency to post with his own name. Coward!
>
> Anti Privacy Jew.
What a total liar you are, Danny boy.
Nowhere does he say he's against privacy.
But you knew that before you posted your lie.
He only recognizes that you are too scared to use your real name.
> I post anonymously because I have the power, the IT know-how and the technology to do so. Deal with it! LOL
IOW, he's absolutely right; you're a coward who's afraid to post
your real name.
You wouldn't have to shell out the big bucks for all the privacy
software if you didn't have such a bigoted foul mouth.
At least it keeps you off the street & keeps you from sending
more money to your cowardly & moronic white-sheetedbrothers.
Susan Cohen
Anonymous wrote:
> In article <170220011409562216%alb...@nethere.com>
> Albert Reingewirtz <alb...@nethere.com> wrote:
>
> >You have the power to hide your name coward. But of course I have the
> >power to filter scums. So, plunk!
>
> Dear Anti-privacy Jew,
And the same lie yet again.
> I wouldn't have it any other way.
Which only proves his point.
> PS. It's "plonk", not "plunk".
Since you already knew what he meant, as did the rest of us,
we can only assume that it was your DESPERATE need to feel
superior that made you throw out this pitiful spelling flame.
What a LOSER you are, Danny!!
Susan Cohen
"A. Melon Head" wrote:
> In article <3A904554...@his.com>
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
> >> Dear Anti-privacy Jew,
>
> >And the same lie yet again.
>
> Not at all. To him, anybody who doesn't post their "real" name is being cowardly.
Which has nothing to do with the facts.
Stating the reasons someone hides their name is
not the same as being "anti-privacy".
Nowhere does Albert say that he doesn't want people
to be allowed to keep their names private.
> That's just not true and therefore, he is either stupid or lying.
You are wrong, as usual, & so the only stupid person here is
you, & the one *you're* defending.
The only reason people would have to not post their real name
is because they are afraid of the consequences - however slight.
Unless you're saying that people can also be *ashamed* of
ehat they post - which still leads back to "afraid of the
consequences"
> And you are stupid for defending him.
You only wish.
>
>
> >>I wouldn't have it any other way.
>
> >Which only proves his point.
>
> Just how bad is your reading comprehension problem?
When have you stopped beating your husband?
> >> PS. It's "plonk", not "plunk".
>
> >Since you already knew what he meant, as did the rest of us,
> >we can only assume that it was your DESPERATE need to feel
> >superior that made you throw out this pitiful spelling flame.
> >What a LOSER you are, Danny!!
>
> "Plunk" is a real word, and he spelled it correctly. "Plonk", however, is the right choice in this context.
Even lamer.
We all knew what was meant - your desperation reeks.
> Any inferiority complex here is your own.
Absolutely REEKS.
> Don't know who Danny is but I imagine he's somebody else that made you look foolish.
"How can I have more tea when I haven't had any yet?"
You should get out more.
Susan Cohen
Anonymous wrote:
> In article <3A9044F7...@his.com>
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >What a total liar you are, Danny boy.
> >Nowhere does he say he's against privacy.
> >But you knew that before you posted your lie.
> >He only recognizes that you are too scared to use your real name.
>
> Your as bad as that other usenet dolt, Jay Winkler, who blames every anonymous post on "grosvenor".
>
> Your presumptuous comments on my identity are idiotic and purely self-serving. The result is you and your sidekicks implicitly disrepect another person's privacy,
Wrong, as usual.
> which in this newsgroup, and in various Jewish organizations, seems to be all too commonplace.
You mean the cowardly bigots who oppose us
all too similar & common.
> The Nazis
Godwin's law - You lose.
Again.
Susan Cohen
For a guy who screeches about his privacy, you sure are
lousy at keeping it.
Loki wrote:
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> above. Always use cryptographic digital signatures to verify
> the identity of the sender of any usenet post or e-mail.
>
> In article <3A904459...@his.com>
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> whined:
>
> >Couldn't have said it better myself, Albert.
>
> >Susan
>
> Whaaa, whaaa, goes the Yenta.
Bill Warren
or to eMail?
Susan Cohen
fen...@my-deja.com wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:53:31 -0500 Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in
> article <3A904459...@his.com>:
>
> >Albert Reingewirtz wrote:
> >> Yep, you are a coward white trash or Aryan brotherhood misfit who
> >> doesn't have the decency to post with his own name. Coward!
> >
> >Couldn't have said it better myself, Albert.
>
> Including the racist overtones, isn't that so, Susan?
Since there were no racist overtones - everything he said
being incumbent upon behavior only - you're wrong again.
Susan Cohen
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <3A9172A7...@his.com>
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >And you're going to pretend you didn't give yourself away?
> >For a guy who screeches about his privacy, you sure are
> >lousy at keeping it.
>
> LOL. Susan, you're such a moron.
Translation: Danny doesn't like to be caught out.
frank w elliott jr
: "Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim" wrote:
:> Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
:> the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
:> not to mention millions of dollars?
: Because the goyim wouldn't let them in on the already established
: enterprise, so they went out to Hollywood & did it better.
The goyim don't really deserve credit for this. Jews are in the film
industry because they made a virtue of necessity as jews have done for
thousands of years. Most people are simply incapable of such an adaptation.
Frank
frank w elliott jr
: In article <3A8DAC8B...@his.com>
:>
:> > Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
:> > the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
:> > not to mention millions of dollars?
:>
:> Because the goyim wouldn't let them in on the already established
:> enterprise, so they went out to Hollywood & did it better.
: Yay! At least something good came out of it. No more crazed, head-bobbing, black clothes wearing whackos.
Those would be gentile Goths, which are quite numerous in L.A. now.
E_W
<20010220000154...@ng-fn1.aol.com>:
>How about all you uptight bigots and anti-bigots taking this to another
>board, or to eMail?
>
Hows about you taking a long hot piss in a 25 m.p.h. wind, you parasital
pig.
Bill Warren
>Hows about you taking a long hot piss in a 25 m.p.h. wind, you parasital
>pig.
My, such magnificent eloquence; no wonder you're so beloved and emulated.
Fred Rosenblatt
<ell...@math2.cims.nyu.edu> wrote:
One reason that has been given for the Jews' success in business is that,
centuries before the advent of internationalism, the Jews could make deals
with other Jews half a world and months' travel away, and, despite differences
in government, civil law and language, could count on the protection of
one legal system, Torah law, to protect safeguard their interests.
no...@webtv.net
Fred Rosenblatt wrote: "Centuries before the advent of internationalism,
the Jews could make deals with other Jews half a world and months'
travel away",
Dear Fred,
Sounds fascinating. How did they do that?
norton shawn
. .. .. .. ..
MarcColten
Check out "Ivanhoe". The Jewish merchants consisted of a barely tolerated
sub-culture in many different countries and therefore worked with each other.
In Ivanhoe they helped pay a ransom, that would have required cartloads of gold
dragged thousands of miles across Europe, by substituting negotiable documents
payable in the destination city.
Susan Cohen
frank w elliott jr wrote:
> In soc.culture.jewish Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> : "Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim" wrote:
>
> :> Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
> :> the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
> :> not to mention millions of dollars?
>
> : Because the goyim wouldn't let them in on the already established
> : enterprise, so they went out to Hollywood & did it better.
>
> The goyim don't really deserve credit for this.
Who was talking about "credit"?
I'd say *blame* is more apporpriate.
> Jews are in the film
> industry because they made a virtue of necessity as jews have done for
> thousands of years.
Well, there was no "necessity" to get into the film industry -
but there was a necessity for Jews to make their own movie
businesses, when the non-Jews wouldn;t let them into the
mainstream.
Susan
Susan Cohen
lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:
> In article <3A92052B...@his.com>
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >> LOL. Susan, you're such a moron.
>
> >Translation: Danny doesn't like to be caught out.
>
> Yenta Translation: I feel foolish, so I'll lash out at anyone within reach.
Translation: you use the same language & answer me
with different accounts at pretty much the same time -
you're an idiot, clear & simple.
Susan Cohen
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <3A91721C...@his.com>
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >You should get out more.
>
> Says the yenta who's online 24x7.
Wrong again.
>
>
> Bottom line is that you and your sidekick are anti-privacy, whether you admit it or not. You cannot have anonymity on your terms (i.e. only when you agree with the anonymous person's comments).
Not true, & you know it, else why would you throw
out all this cheezy ad hominem?
> Either you are for anonymous free speach or you're against it.
>
> Like I said, when you're ready to take off your nazi jackboots,
Ah, Godwin's Law - you lose (again)
> maybe, just maybe, I'll post with my real name.
You;ve already admitted in other posts what your name is, bozo.
> Until then, you can just keep on pointing the finger at other people.
Nice try, moron.
feghoot
America? Beats me.
A Jewish friend tells me that Jews tend toward professions that are mobile.
A Jewish farmer is in deep trouble in the event of a pogrom; if he runs off,
he leaves his livelihood behind. An actor might be like a lawyer, in that
his greatest asset is something that can't be stolen. It's simply his
talent and his knowledge.
"Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
news:3A8DEE35...@brazee.net...
>
>
> "Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim" wrote:
>
> > Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they
weren't
> > the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would
make,
> > not to mention millions of dollars?
> >
> > Was it less hostile to outsiders since it was a new technology and
industry,
> > as opposed to entrenched enterprises like heavy industry and banking?
> >
> > Is there something in Jewish tradition that favors investing in
creativity
> > or entertainment?
> >
> > And exactly how did some of these recently arrived thick accented
European
> > Jews advance so rapidly in this new and revolutionary enterprise?
>
> Different immigrants go into different industries based upon what they see
their
> peers do, and what their educations facilitate. There were lots of Jewish
> immigrants when Hollywood started up - old Jewish families didn't move to
> Hollywood, new ones did. It was an immigrant thing.
>
John Reilly
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>
>
admit it or not. You cannot have anonymity on your terms (i.e. only when
anonymous free speach or you're against it.
>
just maybe, I'll post with my real name. Until then, you can just keep on
pointing the finger at other people.
>
Isn't it strange how some people accuse those who, they claim, wish to
restrict their freedom of speech of being Nazis, then proceed to use that
freedom to make themselves sound like Nazis?
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Helen & Bob
feghoot wrote:
> And why, may I ask, are so many immigrants from India running motels in
> America? Beats me.
>
> A Jewish friend tells me that Jews tend toward professions that are mobile.
> A Jewish farmer is in deep trouble in the event of a pogrom; if he runs off,
> he leaves his livelihood behind. An actor might be like a lawyer, in that
> his greatest asset is something that can't be stolen. It's simply his
> talent and his knowledge.
>
>
Of course, in so many places, jews were prevented from being farmers by law.
(Nah, that wouldn't matter). That jews had to live in a specific part of a city
in some countries, (hence the term Ghetto), or only in certain parts of a
country (Hence, beyond the pale), nah, none of that matters does it.
Bob
Susan Cohen
John Reilly wrote:
> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:82160472795b2a4e...@dizum.com...
> > In article <3A91721C...@his.com>
> > Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
> >
> > >You should get out more.
> >
> > Says the yenta who's online 24x7.
> >
> > Bottom line is that you and your sidekick are anti-privacy, whether you
> admit it or not. You cannot have anonymity on your terms (i.e. only when
> you agree with the anonymous person's comments). Either you are for
> anonymous free speach or you're against it.
> >
> > Like I said, when you're ready to take off your nazi jackboots, maybe,
> just maybe, I'll post with my real name. Until then, you can just keep on
> pointing the finger at other people.
> >
>
> Isn't it strange how some people accuse those who, they claim, wish to
> restrict their freedom of speech of being Nazis, then proceed to use that
> freedom to make themselves sound like Nazis?
It isn't strange at all - it's par for the course.
Susan
Bill Warren
>constructing an intelligent response is not my idea of a fun time
Obviously.
Scott Miller
Helen & Bob wrote:
>
> John Reilly wrote:
>
> > "DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> Has anybody noticed how quiet DarrinT68 has become in this discussion?
> Bob
Maybe his Mom cut off his computer time. (c:=
frank w elliott jr
: frank w elliott jr wrote:
:> In soc.culture.jewish Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
:>
:> : "Man...an ancient race aka king of the goyim" wrote:
:>
:> :> Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
:> :> the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
:> :> not to mention millions of dollars?
:>
:> : Because the goyim wouldn't let them in on the already established
:> : enterprise, so they went out to Hollywood & did it better.
:>
:> The goyim don't really deserve credit for this.
: Who was talking about "credit"?
: I'd say *blame* is more apporpriate.
Blame some of the goyim for the discrimination, but not for the creation
of a new art form. Give credit to the jewish Americans who helped create
a new art form.
:> Jews are in the film
:> industry because they made a virtue of necessity as jews have done for
:> thousands of years.
: Well, there was no "necessity" to get into the film industry -
They helped to create the film industry. The necessity was to support
themselves and their families. Prejudice in established industries
prevented that. The virtue was that they created a new art form and
became very prosperous because of it. Furthermore, our country has
benefited from this art form and this industry.
: but there was a necessity for Jews to make their own movie
Helen & Bob
Helen & Bob wrote:
> Helen & Bob wrote:
>
> > DarrinT68 wrote:
> > >
> > > Simple: Jews have long placed value on education and work, while never adopting
> > > the hate that their detractors placed upon them. Jews were blessed with a sweet
> > > gift!! The gift of invaluable creation and vision!! Why else did God choose
> > > The Jews as his people!? Incidentally, you also conveniently omitted: a
> > > thousand years of persecution and the loss of 6 million Jews during the
> > > Holocaust. When you combine those factors w/ comprising just 1/4 of 1% of the
> > > world's population, then and only then can you begin to understand why Jews are
> > > the eighth wonders of this world! This is precisely what separates Jews from
> > > any other group of people. Because no other people have persevered like the
> > > Jews have!!
> >
> > Congratulations, Darrin. You actually posted without obnoxious capitals and your
> > silly ehehehehehehe. I knew you could, if you could only keep hold of your
> > emotions. Now, let us test your knowledge of the jews. Where is the only country
> > where the jews did not keep their identity, and were absorbed into the population,
> > and why.
> > Bob
>
> Darren, you have answered other posts, but not this one.
> Why not?
>
> Why are you avoiding this one?
> Bob
Darren? Are you hiding? Did someone here expose your secret?
Oh DAAAAARRRRREEEENNNNNN. Where are you HIDING?
ehehhheheheehehehehehehehehehe
Bob
ringo
Man...an Ancient race... <anthon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>chinese and japanese have been successful at studying hard and climbing the
>social ladder but only by following rules.
>
>few, if any, asian-american has changed american society in medicine and
>science. and where is the asian american arthur miller, philip roth, saul
>bellow, etc.?
Amy Tan (the kitchen gods wife, the joy luck club, etc.), Maxine Hong
Kingston (the woman warrior), etc. I could also mention Akiro Kurosawa
(the seven samuri, ran, etc.), but he was japanese, not japanese
american.
asian-american authors are, I would say, about 50 years behind jewish
authors - the first generation wrote in the native language (like
Sholem Alechem, etc.) and it is now the second generation. In another
20 years there will be asian Seinfelds and Woody Allens.
The culture isn't the issue - the ghetto is. Both jews and asians have
a strong literary-education tradition, but jews assimilated much more
easily, and therefore their work went mainstream first. I predict
we'll see the same thing happening in latin culture over the next 50
years, unless technology and "diversity" issues make it so easy for
them to continue working in spanish that the transition to english
never happens.
DarrinT68
>From: Helen & Bob chil...@ix.netcom.com
>Date: 2/18/01 8:11 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3A8FCA16...@ix.netcom.com>
>
>
>
>John Reilly wrote:
>
>> "DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
>Has anybody noticed how quiet DarrinT68 has become in this discussion?
>Bob>
Bob, I leave for a few days and you're already experiencing Darrin
withdrawal!?ehehe See, I told you that I was addictive!hehe Admit that you
simply can't get enough of my wacky wit and sharp cursor tongue!eheheh Unless
of course, Helen is the one who is actually doing the
typing!?heheehehehbahahaaaa
DarrinT68
>Message-id: <3A8E82F9...@ix.netcom.com>
Other posts do not begin with the name "Bob." LOL!heehh Bob, the answer is
quite simple: I do not answer condescending questions!! Now go nudge wifey and
leave me alone!!eheheheh
DarrinT68
>
>>Different immigrants go into different industries based upon what they see
>their
>>peers do, and what their educations facilitate. There were lots of Jewish
>>immigrants when Hollywood started up - old Jewish families>>
Howard, have you suddenly become the spokesperson for Jews!? LOL!!eh SNICKER!eh
Howie, it goes far beyond immigration. Otherwise, where are all of your
wealthy MEXICAN MOVIE MOGULS!?eheheee Picking lettuce doesn't exactly put bread
on the table, Howie!ehee Any shnook can migrate to another country!! Remember:
There were plenty of successful european Jews, prior to flocking to America!!
Three of the wealthiest & influencial european Jewish families in the world
that come to mind: (from 16th - 19th century) THE ROTHSCHILDS, THE DISRAELIS,
and THE MONTEFIORS. Howie, pls. re read my indepth response on JEWS AND
HOLLYWOOD!! In doing so, you will obtain the true answer!!
Oliver Lü
Ancient race..." <anthon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
> message news:3a8f47d7$11$fuzhry$mr2...@va.news.verio.net...
> > >so were chinese and japanese yet they seemed to lack a vision and
> > >even today asian americans are culturally the least significant
> >
> > The last time that I looked, Chinese and Japanese were high achievers,
> > despite massive prejudice.
> >
>
> chinese and japanese have been successful at studying hard and climbing
> the
> social ladder but only by following rules.
>
> few, if any, asian-american has changed american society in medicine and
> science. and where is the asian american arthur miller, philip roth,
> saul
> bellow, etc.?
(snipped)
They've only been here in substantial numbers for one or two generations
(there were some before that out West, but their activities were
restricted by law). Also, unlike the Jews, they did not have a long
history of exile (only Chinese are spread out in a similar way, and then
often by choice), so that adjusting to an alien culture is a new and
therefore more traumatic experience for them.
One could also ask, where's the Jewish Bruce Lee?
Oliver Lu
<chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Doesn't the phrase "beyond the Pale" refer to the area west of Dublin,
referring to the countryside bumpkin image versus the sophisticated
city-dweller, and as such, not be in reference to Jews in any way? (I
don't think the Irish government, or the colonial British government,
would have "consigned" Jews to living in rural parts of Ireland, do you?
[Nor do I know much about a history of such communities or persons)
Bill Warren
Steven Seagal.
Helen & Bob
Oliver Lu wrote:
Actually, IIRC, it refers to Czarist Russia. Again, IIRC, that is where the
term "Pogrom" came from.
Bob
t.cruise
wrote:
>>One could also ask, where's the Jewish Bruce Lee?
>
>Steven Seagal.
>
There's also Jeff Speakman.
T.C.
Oliver Lu
<chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I did a quick web search on the phrase and came up with the following
(from an academic department's page on a british literature course):
"We use the phrase "beyond the pale" without thinking much about it,
other than what we conventionally mean by it nowadays: that something
or, more usually, someone, is outside the conventional social borders of
behavior, etiquette, the law, or social morality. Beyond the pale can
mean outrageous or "naughty" actions--Dennis Rodman comes to mind--or it
can be applied to catastrophic transgressions of the social order like
ethnic cleansing policies or illicit political alliances. The phrase has
meaning as a title for our class because of three different ways the
phrase can be interpreted. The first is its literal meaning, its origin
in the English language. To be "beyond the Pale," and the P was
capitalized, once meant to be outside the line drawn by English colonial
governors and soldiers in their take-over of Celtic or Irish Dublin. The
English traced a line beyond which, to their minds, savagery started and
Englishness, or enlightenment in their eyes, stopped. Irish people were
not allowed to venture within the Pale, on pain of death. So the Pale
was a policed boundary-line, a way to establish the border between
"us"--the ones in power, the "good" ones--and "them"--the Others, the
barbarians, the non-English. It was a mark on the landscape, but also a
mark in people's consciousness, and a metaphor for what belongs to
Englishness and England was born. The Irish as a people, and Irish as a
language, were inevitably "beyond the Pale," and this came to take on a
violent and coercive structure over time, as the phrase became used for
any action or group of people who were somehow outside the borders of
what "should be" the case...."
(There was nothing analogous to Jews in Russia, or Jews in general
[There was a book by that title on the subject, but it seemed as if the
author had simply borrowed the phrase. In any case it does not sound
like a Russian word {at least to me}, unlike "pogrom"].)
Oliver Lü
bill...@aol.com.exx (Bill Warren) wrote:
> >One could also ask, where's the Jewish Bruce Lee?
>
> Steven Seagal.
But in terms of "changing society", which this thread was about, Seagal
doesn't even come close (nor does the person that other poster
mentioned, "Speakman"?--I've never even heard of him); Lee more than any
other individual was responsible for the introduction of Asian martial
arts to the non-Asian world.
Helen & Bob
Oliver Lu wrote:
snip
That's very interesting, as I had never heard of it applied to Ireland. Did
you look under world literature or Russian history?
Bob
DarrinT68
>Date: 2/26/01 6:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <oliverlu-5F97BB...@enews.newsguy.com>
Changing society!? One legendary Asian movie star, and that's your idea of
change & success!? LOL! And where would your one asian movie star be, without
the Jewish Hollywood venue!? Jewish Hollywood is what eventually propelled LEE
to superstardom. Who paid Lee's salary!? An asian or a Jew!? LOL! Sorry, but
your comments ultimately work against you! Yes, BRUCE LEE (raised in America)
is a legend. A rare film legend among his own people and among Hollywood. How
many asians are there in Hollywood!? Very few!! How many Jewish legends are
there in Hollywood!? Too many to mention!eheh In essence, you want Jews who
TRULY CHANGED THE WORLD by their ingenious creation, to don a white outfit, and
speak in dubbed english!?ehheehe LOL! JEWS have already proven their worth in
every echelon of Hollywood! JEWS need not have a MARTIAL ARTS star, because we
have a gazillion other entertainers to look up to!! In the end, BRUCE LEE paved
the way for his own people. A people that are just beginning to make some
headway in Hollywood. Albeit, not to the degree that many would like to see!!
Oliver Lu
<chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
A simple phrase search on "beyond the Pale".
Oliver Lü
darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Jews and Hollywood. why?
> >From: Oliver Lü oliv...@concentric.net
> >Date: 2/26/01 6:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <oliverlu-5F97BB...@enews.newsguy.com>
> >
> >In article <20010225134732...@ng-ft1.aol.com>,
> >bill...@aol.com.exx (Bill Warren) wrote:
> >
> >> >One could also ask, where's the Jewish Bruce Lee?
> >>
> >> Steven Seagal.
> >
> >But in terms of "changing society", which this thread was about, Seagal
> >doesn't even come close (nor does the person that other poster
> >mentioned, "Speakman"?--I've never even heard of him); Lee more than any
> >other individual was responsible for the introduction of Asian martial
> >arts to the non-Asian world.>
>
> Changing society!? One legendary Asian movie star, and that's your idea
> of
> change & success!? LOL! And where would your one asian movie star be,
> without
> the Jewish Hollywood venue!? Jewish Hollywood is what eventually
> propelled LEE
> to superstardom.
No, what propelled Lee to stardom was his own talent and drive. "Jewish"
Hollywood was the forum he choose to use.
>Who paid Lee's salary!? An asian or a Jew!? LOL!
You mean who screwed him out of righteous earnings and rejected him for
parts (e.g. Kung Fu, for David Carradine) because he was Asian and not
white? Oh that's right...
> Sorry, but
> your comments ultimately work against you! Yes, BRUCE LEE (raised in
> America)
> is a legend. A rare film legend among his own people and among
> Hollywood.
And the rest of the world; many people who are not involved with films
or martial arts know precisely who Lee was; additionally, the millions
of people who have practiced martial arts in the time since Lee are
indebted to him, *whether they know it or not*.
How
> many asians are there in Hollywood!? Very few!! How many Jewish legends
> are
> there in Hollywood!? Too many to mention!eheh In essence, you want Jews
> who
> TRULY CHANGED THE WORLD by their ingenious creation, to don a white
> outfit, and
> speak in dubbed english!?ehheehe LOL!
We were talking about more than Hollywood. It *is* possible to change
society without being in the movie industry, you know.
>JEWS have already proven their
> worth in
> every echelon of Hollywood!
To whom? What are you talking about?
JEWS need not have a MARTIAL ARTS star,
> because we
> have a gazillion other entertainers to look up to!!
Whether or not they "need" one was never the point. I never meant to
limit it strictly to martial artists, I meant any personage who had
changed the world through some athletic or physically dynamic
accomplishment (and please don't mention "Sandy Koufax").
In the end, BRUCE LEE
> paved
> the way for his own people. A people that are just beginning to make some
> headway in Hollywood. Albeit, not to the degree that many would like to
> see!!
The point was never the extent to which Asian Americans have made it
solely within the movie industry, it was about Americans of different
ethnic backgrounds impacting American culture in whatever forum. The
post I was responding to had stated:
*****
> few, if any, asian-american has changed american society in medicine and
> science. and where is the asian american arthur miller, philip roth, saul
> bellow, etc.?
>
> they are indeed a silent minority. i think asian culture lacks chutzpah.
> or panache. it's deeply hierarchical and this attitude has been carried
> over to america and hard to discard.
*****
(Notice none of the names he mentions achieved their goals through
movie-making.)
DarrinT68
>society without being in the movie industry, you know.
>The point was never the extent to which Asian Americans have made it
>solely within the movie industry, it was about Americans of different
>ethnic backgrounds impacting American culture in whatever forum. The
>post I was responding to had stated
EINSTEIN, KARL MARX, FREUD, NOSTRADAMUS, DR. JONAS SALK (polio vaccine),
HOUDINI (Born ERIC WEISS), LENIN, GEORGE & IRA GERSHWIN, etc. The list of 20th
century Jewish notables that have impacted history and culture is endless! So
what on earth in the hell are you talking about!? Choose any field, and you
will find that Jews have excelled in it! All in spite of comprising 1/4 of 1%
of the world's population! How many billions of Chinese are there!? LOL! Yet,
even with their large number, they still have yet to equal the success and
impact of the Jewish people!! Whether it be Hollywood or otherwise! Once again,
you continue to make my point for me!!
Howard Brazee
> A simple phrase search on "beyond the Pale".
Check out http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19960906
Helen & Bob
Howard Brazee wrote:
Thank you, Howard.
Bob
Oliver Lu
<chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Well your expert said: "...Since this word pale is relatively uncommon
today, the origin of the phrase with "beyond" is unclear to most of
us...."
But mine said it was from Ireland, so specific information takes
precedence, unless there is a direct refutation of that information. So
I win. (Just kidding, I don't think it's that important.)
Oliver Lü
darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote:
Numbnut--
Reread the thread
Someone posted about how Asian Americans had contributed virtually
*nothing* in terms of changing American society (notice that changing a
society is only one way of contributing to it, btw), while Jews had
changed things in many ways, particularly the movie industry. I
responded by asking who could be considered a Jewish equivalent to Bruce
Lee, i.e. someone who had made his impact through physical and/or
athletic-type accomplishments (the other poster had said: "Who's the
Asian-American Arthur Miller, etc. etc. btw it was Asian not "Chinese").
You've since responded to a bunch of stuff that neither I nor anyone
else to my knowledge has posted. I notice that none the additional names
you list (Nostradamus?--like maybe on The Discovery Channel) meets the
criteria of a Jewish person who pioneered something athletically.
Helen & Bob
Oliver Lu wrote:
Actually, when searching for knowledge/information, when the info/knowledge
is made public and shared, there are no winners or losers, just better
informed people. Which is fine by me.
Bob
John Reilly
news:3A9E5EA9...@ix.netcom.com...
By some wierd and whacky coincidence this very question was asked just the
other night on a British quiz show (The Weakest Link) and the correct answer
was deemed to be the Irish one. IIRC the explanation was that "The Pale"
refered to the area around Dublin where British law applied at the time.
Not saying its right (but I do somehow think it is), just reporting the
coincidence.
--
John
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Fred Cherry
>In <fredr5-1602...@mac99124170840.jpl.nasa.gov> fre...@juno.com (Fred Rosenblatt) writes:
>>In article <kPdj6.73146$Y6.21...@news1.mntp1.il.home.com>, "Man...an
>>ancient race aka king of the goyim" <mananci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Why did the Jews become so prominent in Hollywood when surely they weren't
>>>the only ones to realize the cultural and artistic impact movies would make,
>>>not to mention millions of dollars?
>>It wasn't considered a respectable industry in those days (any more than
>>it was in Shakespeare's).
>>Don't kick yourself though. Maybe it is only the intelligence and
>>creativity of the Jews that propelled the industry into what it has
>>become today. If there had been more of you involved early on, it
>>might have fizzles quickly.
>There was an entire book on exactly this question, by (I think) Neil
>Gabler. I've only read parts of it, but part of the argument is
>related to the particular drive of these immigrants to assimilate and
>live out the American Dream. A lot of the early movie moguls
>intermarried and completely abandoned Judaism.
>--
>Jim
>New York, NY
>(Please remove "nospam." to get my e-mail address)
>http://www.panix.com/~kahn
The Three Stooges never abandoned Judaism.
jo...@shore.net (Fred Cherry)
Grand Duke of Yugoslobia
Duke of Vulgaria
Grand Muff-Diver of Jerusalem
& Elector of Homophobia
Joseph Hertzlinger
<jo...@nautilus.shore.net> wrote:
>The Three Stooges never abandoned Judaism.
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk...