Best Doc Holliday?
Starcap 50
All of this recent discussion about the "top 10 westerns" and related subjects
prompted me to run out to my favorite video store this evening. One of the
films I rented was "My Darling Clementine."
A number of film buffs who were present during my rental, having witnessed this
selection, proceeded to launch into a discussion as to which actor was truly
and definitely the best "Doc Holliday."
I was immediately told that, while my choice of "My Darling Clementine", was a
"great film", that Victor Mature's portrayal of Doc Holliday was a glaring
weakness that should not be ignored. Another "armchair critic" who was present
piped in his opinion that Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday in "Tombstone"
was truly the best. None of them gave a rousing endorsement of Dennis Quaid's
portrayal of Doc Holliday in Kevin Costner's "Wyatt Earp."
Having completed my viewing of "My Darling Clementine", I have come away with
the feeling that Victor Mature's portrayal wasn't half bad.
I saw "Tombstone" at a local theatre when it was first released and loved it.
However, I had forgotten about the effectiveness of Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday
portrayal in that film. Upon further recollections, however, I remembered a
sickly slickster who, when wasn't in his spasmodic coughing fits, would utter
the words "My Huckleberry" and would seem to pop out of nowhere to come to
Wyatt Earp's aide when you would least expect it.
So, what do you think? Was Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday the best?
Another question. For the first time in my life several days ago, I viewed
"Rio Bravo" on AMC and was very impressed with Dean Martin's portrayal of
"Dude." Do you think that Dean Martin might have "missed his calling" with a
portrayal of Doc Holliday?
Based upon his performance in "Rio Bravo", I think he could have made an
excellent, if not definitive, Doc Holliday.
Dennis
John Harkness
a great poker player, the only one who seems to be dying of
consumption, and by all accounts, Doc Holliday was a fairly mean
sonofabitch. Unfortunately, you've got to sit through theincredibly
dull first 90 minutes of the film to get to him.
Jason Robards in Hour of the Gun, to Jim Garner's Wyatt Earp would be
a close second.
John Harkness
Tom Cervo
>a close second.
The more I read about the real Earp the more I see Garner as the definitive
screen Earp. For one thing, the old photos of Earp taken in Dodge and Wichita
look like Garner, especially around the eyes. He may have been the first and
only actor to play Earp while he himself was still young and tough.
That goes with the rest of the performance as well--Garner looks like a tough,
mean, thoughtful sob--the movie was made around the time he was trying to get
Warners to pay him all the money he made for them as "Maverick", and he looks
like a man fed up with all the bullshit that's being forced upon him. He's a
very simple man, with absolute contempt for cant or propriety, and utterly
remorseless in his hunt for vengeance.
The script is another matter, written before all the facts of Earp's life were
clear--but I like the way Holliday recruits Earp's posse--there's a lot more
reality there than you might think.
blue...@ac.net
Kirk Douglas portrayed him in "Gunfight At The OK Corrall", as did
Stacy Keach in "Doc", both pretty convincing, especially Keach, always
about to thro-up and stuff, but I'd say Val Kilmer was the best in that
role.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Joe Gillis
>
> All of this recent discussion about the "top 10 westerns" and related subjects
> prompted me to run out to my favorite video store this evening. One of the
> films I rented was "My Darling Clementine."
>
> A number of film buffs who were present during my rental, having witnessed this
> selection, proceeded to launch into a discussion as to which actor was truly
> and definitely the best "Doc Holliday."
>
> I was immediately told that, while my choice of "My Darling Clementine", was a
> "great film", that Victor Mature's portrayal of Doc Holliday was a glaring
> weakness that should not be ignored. Another "armchair critic" who was present
> piped in his opinion that Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday in "Tombstone"
> was truly the best. None of them gave a rousing endorsement of Dennis Quaid's
> portrayal of Doc Holliday in Kevin Costner's "Wyatt Earp."
>
> Having completed my viewing of "My Darling Clementine", I have come away with
> the feeling that Victor Mature's portrayal wasn't half bad.
>
> I saw "Tombstone" at a local theatre when it was first released and loved it.
> However, I had forgotten about the effectiveness of Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday
> portrayal in that film. Upon further recollections, however, I remembered a
> sickly slickster who, when wasn't in his spasmodic coughing fits, would utter
> the words "My Huckleberry" and would seem to pop out of nowhere to come to
> Wyatt Earp's aide when you would least expect it.
>
> So, what do you think? Was Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday the best?
nope -- kirk douglas
>
> Another question. For the first time in my life several days ago, I viewed
> "Rio Bravo" on AMC and was very impressed with Dean Martin's portrayal of
> "Dude." Do you think that Dean Martin might have "missed his calling" with a
> portrayal of Doc Holliday?
>
> Based upon his performance in "Rio Bravo", I think he could have made an
> excellent, if not definitive, Doc Holliday.
i don't agree -- dino is devil may care, not nihilistic -- but check out his
portrayal of "bama" in some came running.
>
> Dennis
>
-- "Life is never interesting enough somehow. You people who come to the
movies know that." -- Dolly Levi in The Matchmaker
ANIM8Rfsk
best? >>
Wow. Actually, I'd say it was the worst I've seen. He's the one thing I don't
like in Tombstone, and Dennis Quaid is the one thing I do like in Wyatt Earp.
Be nice to be able to switch the two :-) (okay, while I'm dreaming, I might
switch Joanna Going and Dana Delany too)
I think Kirk Douglas, Dennis Quaid, and Jason Robards all were MUCH better Docs
than Kilmer.
Martin would have been interesting.
*************************************************
Less than 2 months to the 21st Century & the new Millennium!
Remember, there is no year zero
in the Gregorian calendar; the 21st Century
and the Third Millennium start in 2001, not 2000.
W. Lydecker
absurd! p.s. Wyatt cheated at cards. <
tin-horn kid
tricks...@my-deja.com
Sandra Mendoza
<< Wow. Actually, I'd say it was the worst I've seen. He's {Val Kilmer} the
one thing I don't
like in Tombstone, and Dennis Quaid is the one thing I do like in Wyatt Earp.
Be nice to be able to switch the two :-)
I think Kirk Douglas, Dennis Quaid, and Jason Robards all were MUCH better Docs
than Kilmer.>>
Now I get why you hated Kilmer's THE SAINT. You just plain don't like Val
Kilmer, who I like even more after seeing how smart he is on INSIDE THE ACTOR'S
STUDIO this past Sunday.
Actually, I don't like the Kirk Douglas or Jason Robards Docs. And I love both
the Dennis Quaid Doc and the Val Kilmer Doc (both deserved Oscar nominations)
--BUT Kilmer had the best line.
man: *Why are you fighting with the Earps at the OK Corral?*
Kilmer: *Wyatt's my friend.*
man: *I have lots of friends.*
Kilmer: (locks and loads) *I don't.*
Wish I'd written that. Terrific writing. Brilliantly acted.
Sandra ;-)
This I beheld, or dreamed it in a dream:
There spread a cloud of dust along the plain;
And underneath the cloud, or in it raged
A furious battle, and men yelled, and sword
Shocked upon swords and shields. A prince's banner
Wavered, then staggered backward, hemmed by foes.
A craven hung along the battle's edge,
And thought, "Had I a sword of keener steel --
That blue blade that the king's son bears, but this
Blunt thing --!" he snapt and flung it from his hand,
And lowering, crept away and left the field.
Then came the king's son, wounded, sore bestead,
And weaponless, and saw the broken sword,
Hilt-buried in the dry and trodden sand,
And ran and snatched it, and with battle-shout
Lifted afresh he hewed his enemy down,
And saved a great cause that heroic day.
Opportunity by Edward Rowland Sill.
Wull
Van Fleet
Wull
Endy9
--
Endy/Dennis
"dancing us from the darkest night is the rhythm of love powered by the
beating of hearts." XTC
http://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm
"Starcap 50" <star...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001109204254...@ng-fb1.aol.com...
DD
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"...A brave man once asked me,
to answer questions that are key,
'Is it to be or not to be?'
and I replied: 'Oh, why ask me?'..."
Dean Eaton
Holliday was 36 when he died, Quaid was 40 when he played him. The physical
transformation (and the accent) was astounding. The secret seems to be out
here: in any movie about the Earps, Doc always steals the show. He has the
best lines and is more colorful - never truer than in the under-rated
Costner film. But if it hadn't been for HOUR OF THE GUN, TOMBSTONE and WYATT
EARP would never have been made. TOMBSTONE has a more "Western movie" feel
and a better cast, but the Kasdan film has its fans, too. I happen to be one
of them.
And I love Fonda's performance in CLEMENTINE, as I usually love all of his
turns in Westerns.
Dean
Endy9 <endy...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8uhv9a$91j$2...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> Hands down. Val Kilmer in Tombstone!
>
> --
> Endy/Dennis
> "dancing us from the darkest night is the rhythm of love powered by the
> beating of hearts." XTC
>
> http://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm
>
> "Starcap 50" <star...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20001109204254...@ng-fb1.aol.com...
Bill Warren
him a few years back was captioned "The Most Hated Man in Hollywood"
Sandra Mendoza
which is?
I found Kilmer intelligent and charismatic on INSIDE THE ACTOR'S STUDIO. James
Lipton respects his work as do I.
My credentials are not anywhere near as impressive as those of Mr. Lipton.
However, I have studied acting: most notably with Stella Adler who taught
Brando, Beatty and DeNiro.
And your credentials are????
Sandra
Politeness is the main ingredient of culture... Between opponents, it is
especially due as a proof of valour. It costs little and helps much: everyone
is honoured who gives honour. Politeness and honour have this advantage, that
they remain with him who displays them to others. cxviii, THE ART OF WORLDLY
WISDOM, by Balthasar Gracian, SJ
>>
Brent McKee
First of all, "My Darling Clementine" is a great film, however it is
scarcely a good film about Wyatt Earp or Doc Holliday. Victor Mature's
performance isn't bad for the character that he's playing, but it isn't Doc.
The story that John Ford tells takes precedence over fact.
As a presentation of facts "Tombstone" is probably the best film. Kilmer
(who I normally cannot stand and whose movies I wouldn't walk across the
street to see if they paid me twice the price of admission and let me in
free) throws himself into the part of the dissipated and dying dentist
turned gambler and gunslinger. He went the full DeNiro route and so is not
the pretty boy that he played in "Top Gun". Quaid may have had the eyes
but not the same devotion to making himself fit the role. (The worst
portrayals might have been the actor who appeared as Holliday in an early
episode of "Doctor Who", with second place going to Willie Nelson in a TV
remake of "Stagecoach"!)
Mention has been made of James Garner playing Wyatt Earp being the best
portrayal of that character. Henry Fonda was good (and if he could have
brought the cold bloodedness of his character in "Once Upon A Time In The
West" to the part he would have been perfect), but Kurt Russell leaves me
cold, and don't even talk to me about Kevin Costner. As a historical
curiosity you might check out a movie called "Sunset" starring Bruce Willis
as Tom Mix and James Garner as an aged Wyatt Earp. (This is at least
partially accurate -- Earp did survive into the 1920's and did have dealings
with the movie business.)
> Another question. For the first time in my life several days ago, I
viewed
> "Rio Bravo" on AMC and was very impressed with Dean Martin's portrayal of
> "Dude." Do you think that Dean Martin might have "missed his calling"
with a
> portrayal of Doc Holliday?
>
> Based upon his performance in "Rio Bravo", I think he could have made an
> excellent, if not definitive, Doc Holliday.
He might have pulled it off. I've always regarded Dean Martin as a vastly
under-rated dramatic actor. Why he never broke through while Sinatra did
probably has a lot to do with personal ambition. I don't think that Martin
wanted it as much as Sinatra did, so Martin ended up doing the Matt Helms
series of films and being thought of as a light-weight at the same time that
Sinatra was doing "The Manchurian Candidate" and "Von Ryan's Express". But
Dean sure worked well with John Wayne.
--
Brent McKee
To reply by email, please remove the capital letters (S and N) from the
email address
"If we cease to judge this world, we may find ourselves, very quickly, in
one which is infinitely worse."
- Margaret Atwood
John Harkness
wrote:
>Bill Warren said:
>
><< Val Kilmer is an okay actor, but there was a very good reason an article
>about
>him a few years back was captioned "The Most Hated Man in Hollywood">>
>
>which is?
>
>I found Kilmer intelligent and charismatic on INSIDE THE ACTOR'S STUDIO. James
>Lipton respects his work as do I.
>
I think Kilmer's done some very fine work, but "James Lipton respects
his work" doesn't really settle much of anything. Lipton performs
analingus on all his guests. "Now, in 1997, you mad an extraordinary
film called "The Waterboy". Tell us something about that film. Did you
anticipate the extraordiney effect if woul d have on the lives of its
audience?"
John Harkness
Howard Brazee
> Mention has been made of James Garner playing Wyatt Earp being the best
> portrayal of that character. Henry Fonda was good (and if he could have
> brought the cold bloodedness of his character in "Once Upon A Time In The
> West" to the part he would have been perfect), but Kurt Russell leaves me
> cold, and don't even talk to me about Kevin Costner. As a historical
> curiosity you might check out a movie called "Sunset" starring Bruce Willis
> as Tom Mix and James Garner as an aged Wyatt Earp. (This is at least
> partially accurate -- Earp did survive into the 1920's and did have dealings
> with the movie business.)
Just about everything we know about Wyatt Earp is what the aging Wyatt told
people later. Lots of people believe he was at best an embellisher.
Dawn Taylor
<bra...@webaccess.net> wrote:
>> As a historical
>> curiosity you might check out a movie called "Sunset" starring Bruce Willis
>> as Tom Mix and James Garner as an aged Wyatt Earp. (This is at least
>> partially accurate -- Earp did survive into the 1920's and did have dealings
>> with the movie business.)
>
>Just about everything we know about Wyatt Earp is what the aging Wyatt told
>people later. Lots of people believe he was at best an embellisher.
Yes, Earp hung out in Hollywood, getting to know movie
cowboys/stuntment and drinking with guys like Tom Mix and William S.
Hart. He tried to get a movie made of his "life story" (largely
re-invented to make himself out a hero) but couldn't find any takers
until he persuaded a pulp novelist to do a book about him, presenting
Earp's version of the OK Corral as historical fact. That's how he
became a legend, and that's where the version of the story comes from.
In truth, the Earps were notoriously unscrupulous, making their money
as bartenders, pimps and hired guns for the cattle barons. Wyatt was
never a legendary lawman - in fact, while his memoirs and that of his
wife say that he was a Deputy Marshal before coming to Tombstone,
researchers have never been able to find any official Deputy US
Marshal appointment for him prior to Tombstone (his brother Virgil was
a Deputy Marshal, however, and may have appointed him).
I love the movie "Tombstone", mostly for Val Kilmer's portrayal. It's
a gawdawful mess of a movie, incredibly sloppy in places, with
continuity problems and characters that are introduced then discarded
for the majority of the film. It feels like a much bigger, longer,
better movie that has had the living crap edited out of it over a
boozy weekend. Yet I love it. It's *fun*.
"Tombstone" also takes ridiculous liberties with historical accuracy -
from the film one would believe that the Earps rolled into town,
bought the Oriental that same afteroon, and fought the OK Corral
gunfight a few days later. In fact, about two years went by between
the Earps arrival in town and the OK Corral. As for Doc killing Johnny
Ringo: almost a year after the OK Corral fight, Ringo was found
clutching his .45 caliber Colt in his right hand, with a .45 caliber
hole in his right temple. From all reports he committed suicide.
Dawn
(I love history ... and movies. But they aren't the same thing)
-----------------
The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego
ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering
with the pleasures of others. - Bertrand Russell
http://www.dvdjournal.com
da...@dvdjournal.com
Dean Eaton
movies, too:
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, film the legend."
Dean
==============
Dawn Taylor <dawn...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:3a109025....@news.pacifier.com...
ANIM8Rfsk
Kilmer >>
Nah. The Saint is terrible written, probably terrible directed (although given
the material it's hard to tell) and features amazingly bad performances from
people who have been good in other things.
ANIM8Rfsk
about
him a few years back was captioned "The Most Hated Man in Hollywood">>
which is? >>
A lot of the article was about Island of Dr. Moreau. It claimed he showed up
on the remote location, refused to play the part he was hired for, forcing them
to let him switch roles, and proceeded to alienate everybody, culiminating in
him putting his cigarette out in a camerman's face.
Sandra Mendoza
<< I think Kilmer's done some very fine work, but "James Lipton respects
his work" doesn't really settle much of anything. Lipton performs
analingus on all his guests.
--snip more garbage--
James Lipton is primarily a TEACHER. Teachers encourage. That is their
function. I sat through a sculptor friend's class in San Francisco Art Academy
and that's the mode in which he approached his students.
In Journalism class, I once wrote a feature on how a cafeteria by the use of
lighting and a disco ball and candles had been turned into an interesting
looking disco. This was considered *flacking.* You're not supposed to praise
anything or anyone -- except the approved people and topics. Otherwise, you're
doing *public relations* *flacking, * the lowest of the low.
Carolyn See was criticized for writing a positive article on the courteous
Perry King for TV Guide. She came back guns blazing telling tales of assholes
like Telly Savalas she had interviewed.
Barbara Streisand has had several positive interviews written for the New York
Times never see the light of day because they're too positive.
This infinitely stupid journalistic precept is one of the reasons I have so
little respect for the field of journalism.
James Lipton has taught me more about HOW TO WATCH FILM than any of the film
makers I've worked with, and certainly much more than I learned when I was on a
graduate fellowship for the Professional Writers' School at USC in which I took
courses in their film school. I learned NOTHING worth learning at USC except
that my fellow students would kill their grandmother to get a chance to make a
film. I'd already written, directed and produced mini-movies for the networks
so it wasn't that big a deal for me. And given that my teacher worked for Roger
Corman, a film maker whose work I have no respect for, I opted out at the end
of the year.
John Lipton sees much more when he looks at a film than all the usual suspects
on this ng together.
Sandra ;-)
Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; but talent instantly recognizes
genius... -Arthur Conan Doyle,
Bill Warren
>A lot of the article was about Island of Dr. Moreau. It claimed he showed up
>on the remote location, refused to play the part he was hired for, forcing
>them
>to let him switch roles, and proceeded to alienate everybody, culiminating in
>him putting his cigarette out in a camerman's face.
Not a cameraman, but rather an extra. He switched roles before arriving on the
location, but he did force the studio to change directors. John Frankenheimer
was the replacement, and says he will never work with Kilmer again -- "life's
too short." Those who worked with Kilmer on his very first movie say he was a
jerk from the moment he arrived on set. Those who worked on TOMBSTONE have
real horror stories to tell, because Kilmer brought out the worst (and there's
a lot to be brought out) in Kurt Russell.
Bill Warren
> You're not supposed to praise
>anything or anyone -- except the approved people and topics. Otherwise,
>you're
>doing *public relations* *flacking, * the lowest of the low.
I do not believe this.
>Barbara Streisand has had several positive interviews written for the New
>York
>Times never see the light of day because they're too positive.
I don't believe this, either.
> I'd already written, directed and produced mini-movies for the networks
>so it wasn't that big a deal for me.
Such as?
John Harkness
wrote:
>John Harkness in full sneer mode said:
>
><< I think Kilmer's done some very fine work, but "James Lipton respects
>his work" doesn't really settle much of anything. Lipton performs
>analingus on all his guests.
>
>--snip more garbage--
>
>James Lipton is primarily a TEACHER. Teachers encourage. That is their
>function. I sat through a sculptor friend's class in San Francisco Art Academy
>and that's the mode in which he approached his students.
>
>In Journalism class, I once wrote a feature on how a cafeteria by the use of
>lighting and a disco ball and candles had been turned into an interesting
>looking disco. This was considered *flacking.* You're not supposed to praise
>anything or anyone -- except the approved people and topics. Otherwise, you're
>doing *public relations* *flacking, * the lowest of the low.
>
>Carolyn See was criticized for writing a positive article on the courteous
>Perry King for TV Guide. She came back guns blazing telling tales of assholes
>like Telly Savalas she had interviewed.
>
>Barbara Streisand has had several positive interviews written for the New York
>Times never see the light of day because they're too positive.
>
>This infinitely stupid journalistic precept is one of the reasons I have so
>little respect for the field of journalism.
>
>James Lipton has taught me more about HOW TO WATCH FILM than any of the film
>makers I've worked with, and certainly much more than I learned when I was on a
>graduate fellowship for the Professional Writers' School at USC in which I took
>courses in their film school. I learned NOTHING worth learning at USC except
>that my fellow students would kill their grandmother to get a chance to make a
>film. I'd already written, directed and produced mini-movies for the networks
>so it wasn't that big a deal for me. And given that my teacher worked for Roger
>Corman, a film maker whose work I have no respect for, I opted out at the end
>of the year.
>
>John Lipton sees much more when he looks at a film than all the usual suspects
>on this ng together.
Who's this John Lipton?
Anyway, he may be a fine teacher. As an interviewer, he's an
asskisser, a flack, a shill, and damn near useless.
John Harkness
ANIM8Rfsk
a lot to be brought out) in Kurt Russell. >>
Heh, scary
Remember the stories from RED PLANET from Australia, that one or more cast or
crew members had gotten restraining orders against him so he couldn't go near
them when they weren't filming? Weird.
Tom Cervo
>curiosity you might check out a movie called "Sunset" starring Bruce Willis
>as Tom Mix and James Garner as an aged Wyatt Earp. (This is at least
>partially accurate -- Earp did survive into the 1920's and did have dealings
>with the movie business.)
I saw based on what I thought would be an interesting pairing--Garner and
Willis. There was about five minutes when Garner/Earp watched a recreation of a
gunfight--It was probably supposed to be the OK Corrall, except that no movies
were made of that until after Earp died--and you saw that same look he gave in
"Hour of the Gun"--the look you never want to get from an armed man. And that
was it.
Tom Cervo
>people later.
There's also the memoir that Bat Masterson wrote about him. Masterson was in
awe of Earp, and he was a hard man to impress.
Lots of people believe he was at best an embellisher.
You might want to have a look at the two recent biographies of Earp, still in
the bookstores. Apparently the legend WAS the fact.
Wull
O'Brien rank as W Earp?
I don't remember much, but I know I liked the series.
Wull--whose favorite was really "Gunsmoke"
Dean Eaton
"Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp,
Brave, courageous and bold...
Long live his fame, and long live his glory,
And long may his story be told."
If you can remember the tune to this, you're older than hell.
Dean
Wull <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
news:3A0DDF13...@datarecall.net...
hartley
John Harkness wrote:
> Dennis Quaid in Wyatt Earp -- he's the only one who's got the eyes of
> a great poker player, the only one who seems to be dying of
> consumption, and by all accounts, Doc Holliday was a fairly mean
> sonofabitch. Unfortunately, you've got to sit through theincredibly
> dull first 90 minutes of the film to get to him.
>
> Jason Robards in Hour of the Gun, to Jim Garner's Wyatt Earp would be
> a close second.
>
> John Harkness
>
> On 10 Nov 2000 01:42:54 GMT, star...@aol.com (Starcap 50) wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >All of this recent discussion about the "top 10 westerns" and related subjects
> >prompted me to run out to my favorite video store this evening. One of the
> >films I rented was "My Darling Clementine."
> >
> >A number of film buffs who were present during my rental, having witnessed this
> >selection, proceeded to launch into a discussion as to which actor was truly
> >and definitely the best "Doc Holliday."
> >
> >I was immediately told that, while my choice of "My Darling Clementine", was a
> >"great film", that Victor Mature's portrayal of Doc Holliday was a glaring
> >weakness that should not be ignored. Another "armchair critic" who was present
> >piped in his opinion that Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday in "Tombstone"
> >was truly the best. None of them gave a rousing endorsement of Dennis Quaid's
> >portrayal of Doc Holliday in Kevin Costner's "Wyatt Earp."
> >
> >Having completed my viewing of "My Darling Clementine", I have come away with
> >the feeling that Victor Mature's portrayal wasn't half bad.
> >
> >I saw "Tombstone" at a local theatre when it was first released and loved it.
> >However, I had forgotten about the effectiveness of Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday
> >portrayal in that film. Upon further recollections, however, I remembered a
> >sickly slickster who, when wasn't in his spasmodic coughing fits, would utter
> >the words "My Huckleberry" and would seem to pop out of nowhere to come to
> >Wyatt Earp's aide when you would least expect it.
> >
> >So, what do you think? Was Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday the best?
> >
> >Another question. For the first time in my life several days ago, I viewed
> >"Rio Bravo" on AMC and was very impressed with Dean Martin's portrayal of
> >"Dude." Do you think that Dean Martin might have "missed his calling" with a
> >portrayal of Doc Holliday?
> >
> >Based upon his performance in "Rio Bravo", I think he could have made an
> >excellent, if not definitive, Doc Holliday.
> >
> >Dennis
blue...@ac.net
dawn...@pacifier.com (Dawn Taylor) wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:38:47 -0700, Howard Brazee
> <bra...@webaccess.net> wrote:
>
> >> curiosity you might check out a movie called "Sunset" starring
Bruce Willis
> >> as Tom Mix and James Garner as an aged Wyatt Earp. (This is at
least
> >> partially accurate -- Earp did survive into the 1920's and did have
dealings
> >> with the movie business.)
> >
Wyatt told
> (I love history ... and movies. But they aren't the same thing)
>
> The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego
> ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering
> with the pleasures of others. - Bertrand Russell
>
> http://www.dvdjournal.com
> da...@dvdjournal.com
>
>
Dawn, go away, I'm no good for you! What you stated is perfect
information as to what you completely discredit. unnerstand? Bertrand
Sandra Mendoza
Californians frequently have difficulty understanding why we believe that *good
enough never is*.
Streisand has had horror stories told about her.
and so have other stars whose onscreen work seemed terrific to me.
Not having been there and not knowing the context, only what was on the screen,
I reassert my admiration of Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday and The Saint, both
performances which I greatly enjoyed.
Sandra ;-)
Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; but talent instantly recognizes
genius... -Arthur Conan Doyle, "The Valley of Fear"
Bill Warren
>Remember the stories from RED PLANET from Australia, that one or more cast or
>crew members had gotten restraining orders against him so he couldn't go near
>them when they weren't filming? Weird.
That was Tom Sizemore, who's not exactly a prince himself, if what I read about
RED PLANET over on Coming Attractions is true.
Bill Warren
>Not having been there and not knowing the context, only what was on the
>screen,
>I reassert my admiration of Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday and The Saint, both
>performances which I greatly enjoyed.
He IS a good actor. But he's also a swine on movie sets. Not the first one,
but the current exemplar of the species.
Howard Brazee
Dean Eaton wrote:
> Everybody sing!
> "Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp,
> Brave, courageous and bold...
> Long live his fame, and long live his glory,
> And long may his story be told."
> If you can remember the tune to this, you're older than hell.
> Dean
There are very few TV tunes which I remember as well as this. But I was
relatively old when we got our first TV.
DD
frontieeeeeeeeeer
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"...A brave man once asked me,
to answer questions that are key,
'Is it to be or not to be?'
and I replied: 'Oh, why ask me?'..."
Steve Oldham
guita...@webtv.net (DD) wrote:
> Dayyyyyyyy Veeeeeeee Dayyyyyyyy Veeeeeee Crock- Kit!....King of the
wild
> frontieeeeeeeeeer
>
Steve
ANIM8Rfsk
Guess that's me all over then.
"Back when the west was very young
There was a man named Masterson
He wore a cane and derby hat
They called him Bat
Bat Masterson . . . ."
ANIM8Rfsk
> from the film one would believe that the Earps rolled into town,
> bought the Oriental that same afteroon, and fought the OK Corral
> gunfight a few days later. >>
Huh? Not if somebody actually was paying attention to the film. It explained
they tried a lot of other stuff before they gave up and went back to the law.
In fact, this is one of the (many) ways this film is superior to Wyatt Earp,
which DOES leave the impression you have.
ANIM8Rfsk
RED PLANET over on Coming Attractions is true. >>
We may never know; everybody is in 'oh is was a fine filming experience' mode
now that the pic is in theaters.
Maybe the DVD commentary :-)
ANIM8Rfsk
performances which I greatly enjoyed. >>
And I reassert my firm belief that he was the worst part of both these films
(which is amazing in something as truly awful as 'The Saint')
I trust we can agree to disagree on this issue.
Dean Eaton
Whistle me back where I wanna be...
Whistle a tune that'll carry me
To Tombstone Territory..."
"This is the story of Twenty-Six Men..."
I guess I'm old as hell, too...
Dean
Steve Oldham <stev...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8un0kg$dfk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
DD
"Lassie' and you can recall the episodes that starred Tommy Rettig as
Jeff Miller and Jan Clayton as "mom Miller" and George Cleveland as
"Gramps" and you cried when they moved to the city and gave Lassie to
Timmy Martin <John Provost> and mom Martin <June Lockhart>
(sniff)
Or if you sent away for any official Rin Tin Tin premium from Nabisco
Shredded Wheat
Or if you had a several baking soda diving frogmen or submarines, one or
two Mattel shootin' shell cap guns, and your mom washed cloths in Lux
soap and you thought the dumbest invention ever was the hula hoop
and you liked "black jack", Teaberry, Glove, chewing gum and and you ate
hard "dots candy" that was on long paper strips
and you owned a few Sun 45 rpm records and know what a "sock hop" was
WallSt612
< If you can remember the tune to this, you're older than hell. >>
anim8rfsk:
<Guess that's me all over then.
"Back when the west was very young
There was a man named Masterson
He wore a cane and derby hat
They called him Bat
Bat Masterson . . . .">
Very good. Now how about the lyrics to
Sugarfoot
Tombstone Territory
The Lawman
Bronco
Sugarfoot
The Rebel
Wyatt Earp
Have Gun Will Travel
Maverick
WallSt-who can still remember the words to most of them
Dean Eaton
different people when we moved into a new house.
I had the frogmen, the submarine, and a cool battleship put together with
rubber bands that would fly apart when hit with a torpedo. But then I had a
major dinosaur obssession and I had to have the Dino-Rama set (a plastic
lagoon with slots built in for palm trees, with 20 critters) from the Sears
Christmas catalogue. I put my Rin-Tin-Tin Fort Apache set (also from Sears)
away and became a paleontologist.
"Dean, it's nice outside - don't you want to go out?" "Not until 'Sky King'
is over..."
Dean
DD <guita...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29562-3A...@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Dean Eaton
"26 Men" ... Why do we still hear these things?
"Whistle a tune that'll carry me to Tombstone territory..."
Dean
> anim8rfsk:
ANIM8Rfsk
"Lassie >>
Um, well, 'Greensleeve' I remember wondering in church one Xmas eve why they
were playing the theme to Lassie . . .
<< Or if you had a several baking soda diving frogmen or submarines, >>
Urk; got me on that one too
ANIM8Rfsk
Sugarfoot
Tombstone Territory
The Lawman
The Lawman rode with the sun (Lawman)
There was a job to be done (Lawman)
And so they called for the badge and the gun
Of the Lawman
Bronco
Show me a gal who's kissed him once
I'll show you a gal who's kissed him twice
Once any gal has kissed him twice
She's dreaming of shoes and rice
Bronco, Bronco, ridin' across the texas plain
Bronco, Bronco
Bronco Lane
Sugarfoot
The Rebel
Wyatt Earp
Have Gun Will Travel
Have Gun, Will Travel reads the card of a man
A knight without armor in a savage land
A fast gun for hire heeds the calling wind
A soldier of fortune is the man caallllled
Pal-a-din
Paladin, Paladin, where do you roam
Paladin, Paladin, far, far from home
Maverick (oh, come on, that one's too easy)
Who is the tall dark stranger there
Maverick is the name
Riding the trail to who knows where
Luck is his companion
Gamblin' is his game
I do recall being confused by the 'livin' on Jacks and Queens' line, thinking
it was 'living on Jackson Queens' :-)
DD
Lawman...."<Gong!!!>
This is to inform you AMIN8Rfsk that you are indeed old; meals on wheels
will be sent to your home address whenever you register :-)
Sawfish
><< If you can remember the tune to this, you're older than hell. >>
>Guess that's me all over then.
>"Back when the west was very young
>There was a man named Masterson
>He wore a cane and derby hat
>They called him Bat
>Bat Masterson . . . ."
Bronco! Bronco!
There ain't a horse that he can't handle.
Bronco, Bronco, Bronco Lane.
Hey, Ceesco.
Yes, Pancho?
>*************************************************
>Less than 2 months to the 21st Century & the new Millennium!
>Remember, there is no year zero
>in the Gregorian calendar; the 21st Century
>and the Third Millennium start in 2001, not 2000.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The food at the new restaurant was awful--but at least the portions
were large!" --Sawfish
ANIM8Rfsk
will be sent to your home address whenever you register :-) >>
Mmmmmmm
Dean Eaton
West; Pat Brady, comical sidekick; and Roy's wonder dog, Bullet."
Dean
Sawfish <m...@q7.com> wrote in message news:97414698...@q7.q7.com...
> anim...@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) writes:
>
> ><< If you can remember the tune to this, you're older than hell. >>
>
>
> >"Back when the west was very young
> >There was a man named Masterson
> >He wore a cane and derby hat
> >They called him Bat
> >Bat Masterson . . . ."
>
> Bronco! Bronco!
> There ain't a horse that he can't handle.
> Bronco, Bronco, Bronco Lane.
>
>
> Hey, Ceesco.
> Yes, Pancho?
>
> >Less than 2 months to the 21st Century & the new Millennium!
>
> >Remember, there is no year zero
> >in the Gregorian calendar; the 21st Century
> >and the Third Millennium start in 2001, not 2000.
>
Brent McKee
WallSt612 <wall...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001113015410...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
> Someone:
> < If you can remember the tune to this, you're older than hell. >>
>
> anim8rfsk:
> <Guess that's me all over then.
>
> "Back when the west was very young
> There was a man named Masterson
> He wore a cane and derby hat
> They called him Bat
> Bat Masterson . . . .">
>
> Very good. Now how about the lyrics to
"Away ... away ... away he rode the Rebel, Johnny Yuma.
Johnny Yuma was a Rebel he wandered alone,"
(Sung by Johnny Cash.)
> Maverick
"Who is that tall dark travellin' man?
Maverick is his name."
--
Brent McKee
To reply by email, please remove the capital letters (S and N) from the
email address
"If we cease to judge this world, we may find ourselves, very quickly, in
one which is infinitely worse."
- Margaret Atwood
Al Wesolowsky
:<< If you can remember the tune to this, you're older than hell. >>
:"Back when the west was very young
:There was a man named Masterson
:He wore a cane and derby hat
:They called him Bat
:Bat Masterson . . . ."
In all the legends of the west
One name stands out from all the rest
The man who had the fastest gun
His name was Bat
Bat Masterson.
The root passwd I have to write down but *this* stuff I remember....
--
Al B. Wesolowsky o Unlike J. W. Hardin, my foolish moves
a...@bu.edu o have been many.
Boston University o ---Michael Murphey
Al Wesolowsky
:WallSt612 <wall...@aol.com> wrote in message
:news:20001113015410...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
:>
:> Very good. Now how about the lyrics to
:> The Rebel
:"Away ... away ... away he rode the Rebel, Johnny Yuma.
:Johnny Yuma was a Rebel he wandered alone,"
Johnny Yuma was the Rebel, he roamed through the land
Johnny Yuma was the Rebel, he wandered alone.
He got fighting mad, this rebel lad
Panther-quick and leather-tough
He figured he'd been pushed enough.
Thankyew. Thankyew. For my prize I'd like to look at my feet,
in my new Buster Browns, in the X-ray machine.
Jeffrey Davis
>
> Brent McKee <bSm...@the.link.can> wrote:
>
> :WallSt612 <wall...@aol.com> wrote in message
> :news:20001113015410...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
> :>
> :> Very good. Now how about the lyrics to
> :> The Rebel
>
> :"Away ... away ... away he rode the Rebel, Johnny Yuma.
> :Johnny Yuma was a Rebel he wandered alone,"
>
Wasn't it: "He roamed through the West"
> Johnny Yuma was the Rebel, he wandered alone.
>
> He got fighting mad, this rebel lad
> Panther-quick and leather-tough
> He figured he'd been pushed enough.
>
> Thankyew. Thankyew. For my prize I'd like to look at my feet,
> in my new Buster Browns, in the X-ray machine.
>
> --
> Al B. Wesolowsky o Unlike J. W. Hardin, my foolish moves
> a...@bu.edu o have been many.
> Boston University o ---Michael Murphey
--
Jeffrey Davis <jeffk...@earthlink.net>
The John Dortmunder of Lexington, Ky
ANIM8Rfsk
One name stands out from all the rest
The man who had the fastest gun
His name was Bat
Bat Masterson >>
The trail that he blazed
Is still there
No one has come since
To replace his name
And those with too ready a trigger
Forgot to figger
On his lightning caaaaane
Bill Warren
His fears were never shown
The fastest gun in all the West
The quickest ever known
Yancy, Yancy Derringer,
Yancy, Yancy Derringer
In every tale of derring-do
They tell of Yancy D
Dean Eaton
Whistle me back where I wanna be,
Whistle a tune that'll carry me
Dean
Bill Warren <bill...@aol.com.exx> wrote in message
news:20001114173708...@ng-fn1.aol.com...
Bill Warren
>Whistle a tune like a memory,
I remember that as "Whistle me up a memory..."
If your past has run afoul of the law
It's a handy place to be
'Cause your future's just as good as your draw
In Tombstone Territory
ANIM8Rfsk
I just got a catalog from 'American Pie' - www.ampie.com - with a western movie
and tv theme CD, # 442 71684, looks like original artists, with Mag 7; Bonanza;
High Noon; Gunsmoke; Good, Bad, Ugly; Lone Ranger; Rifleman; South of the
Border; Rawhide; On the Old Spanish Trail; Wagon Train; Ballad of the Alamo;
Maverick; Don't Fence Me In; Rebel/Johnny Yuma; Ballad of Paladin; Legend of
Wyatt Earp; Ballad of Davy Crockett
Fred-Bob sez check it out!
Bill Warren
>Don't Fence Me In;
WildCat Kelly, lookin' mighty pale
Was standin' by the sheriff's side
The sheriff said, "I'm sendin' you to jail,"
Wildcat raised his head and cried...
Oh give me land lots of land under starry skies above
Don't fence me in
Let me ride through the wide-open country that I love
Don't fence me in
Let me be myself in the evenin' breeze
And listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees
Send me off forever but I ask you please,
Don't fence me in.
Just turn me loose, let me straddle my old saddle
Underneath the western skies.
On my cayuse, let me wander over yonder
Till I see the mountains rise.
I want to ride to the ridge where the west commences
And gaze at the moon till I lose my senses
And I can't look at hobbles and I can't stand fences
Don't fence me in.
DD
Plop Plop Fizz Fizz
Oh what a relief it is....
Hey Speedy!!
next
WallSt612
If your past has run afoul of the law
It's a handy place to be
'Cause your future's just as good as your draw
In Tombstone Territory>billybond
Close.
Whistle me up a memory
Whistle me back a century
Whistle a tune that will carry me
To Tombstone Territory
When you're fast with a gun on the side of the law
It's a darn good place to be
'Cause your future's just as good as your gun
In Tombstone Territory.
Now, what was the name of the newspaper whose stories were the focus of the
show?
WallSt
At the real cemetary in the real Tombstone one can find the headstone of Lester
Moore. On it is carved the epitaph:
Here lies Les Moore
Shot to death with a .44
His killer hanged to settle the score
That's all there is
No Les
No Moore
WallSt
DD
DD
WallSt612
Nope.
The Tombstone Epitaph
WallSt
Jim Beaver
What can you do when you're branded,
And you know you're a man?
Jim Beaver
ANIM8Rfsk
What can you do when you're branded,
And you know you're a man? >>
He was in-no-cent
Not a charge was true
But the world would never know!
Branded!
Sawfish
>Brent McKee <bSm...@the.link.can> wrote:
>:WallSt612 <wall...@aol.com> wrote in message
>:news:20001113015410...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
>:>
>:> Very good. Now how about the lyrics to
>:> The Rebel
>:"Away ... away ... away he rode the Rebel, Johnny Yuma.
>:Johnny Yuma was a Rebel he wandered alone,"
>Johnny Yuma was the Rebel, he roamed through the land
>Johnny Yuma was the Rebel, he wandered alone.
>He got fighting mad, this rebel lad
>Panther-quick and leather-tough
>He figured he'd been pushed enough.
>Thankyew. Thankyew. For my prize I'd like to look at my feet,
>in my new Buster Browns, in the X-ray machine.
Holy shit! I can't believe we did that...
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"If we use Occam's Razor, whose razor will *he* use?" --Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PSmith9626
I got Sky King in saturday morning reruns. I loved it as a little girl (
the girl was a penny).
You are describing boy's toys. Anyone recall Annie Oakley pistols, Maid
Marion outfits, and dolls with little phonograph players inside?
I liked hula hoops--they were a girl's toy ,so no wonder you thought they
were silly.
( some boys showed up on tv with them,too.Most boys thought they too feminine.
)
Do you remember the little wax bottles of sugar liquid? How about the
watermark tatoos?
How about trolls? I had an apartment full of trolls including the big
three foot one.
A friends dad was a relative of the company owner.
How about the first interactive tv show:" Winkey Dink"?
This was fun.
best
penny
>Message-id: <XTQP5.26072$UL.16...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>
PSmith9626
Which you played on one tube "Victrola".
best
penny
I have fond nostalga for the 12AT7, the 2N107 and the CK722. Not to mention the
famous "Magic eye Tube" and the ganged tuning condenser.
How about Remco's science kits in cans?
" Gee, Calvin--I never met a boy with purple underware before"--- Back to the
Future.
' Are those condensers from my accelerator circuits?" ---Forbidden Planet
Anyone else have a crush on Beaver Cleaver?
I was in love also with MacKeever from
"Mackeever and the Coln."
PSmith9626
Do you remember the raft trip down the carboniferous swamp on episodes of
"What's New" in the early sixties? You might have been too old for that.
penny
"In out, all around.....What's New"
Did you own the inflatable city service gasoline apatosaurus?
My was called "Bronte" after the sisters.
A friend's brother gave me a "Steve Canyon" jet pilot helmet, but I got flack
from the local girls. So , I painted a tulip on it.
What about the vacuum former--an injection molder for kids. Used to make
jewlery with that. Now that was a toy!