Who did their own singing and who didn't?
OJones7893
supposedly sung by the actors (or just their characters at least). Does anyone
know which of these actors in these movies did their own singing and which of
them didn't (and had other people's singing voices dubbed in or lipsync-ed to
other singing voices)? Thanks. I'm curious.
Kim Basinger - The Marrying Man
Deborah Kerr - An Affair To Remember
Rita Hayworth - Down To Earth
Val Kilmer - Top Secret
Loles Leon - Tie Me Up Tie Me Down
Dylan McDermott - The Fear Inside
Lisa Hartman (Black) - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
Jean Simmons - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
Marlon Brando - Guys and Dolls
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
> Lately, I've been thinking about movies with various songs in them,
>supposedly sung by the actors (or just their characters at least). Does
>anyone
>know which of these actors in these movies did their own singing and which of
>them didn't (and had other people's singing voices dubbed in or lipsync-ed to
>other singing voices)? Thanks. I'm curious.
>
> Kim Basinger - The Marrying Man
>
The IMDb soundtrack listing has Bassinger performing her own songs. There is a
vocal coach in the credits.
> Deborah Kerr - An Affair To Remember
>
Marni Nixon, the ubiquitous one, also according to the IMDb.
> Rita Hayworth - Down To Earth
>
Anita Ellis, according to Pauline Kael.
> Val Kilmer - Top Secret
>
Top Secret!, actually. Val Kilmer, according to the IMDb, did his own singing.
> Loles Leon - Tie Me Up Tie Me Down
>
AKA _ĄÁtame!_. No information about song performers in IMDb.
> Dylan McDermott - The Fear Inside
>
No soundtrack information in IMDb.
> Lisa Hartman (Black) - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
>
_Jacqueline Susann's Valley of the Dolls_, to give it its full title. No
soundtrack information in IMDb.
> Jean Simmons - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
>
No soundtrack information in IMDb.
> Marlon Brando - Guys and Dolls
>
Marlon Brando, according to the, you guessed it, IMDb. Maltin says: ". . .and
Brando making a not-bad musical debut as gambler Sky Masterson."
That was fun. Obviously you could have done this yourself, but I was interested
in the answers, too.
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
http://members.aol.com/frajm/
"All over the room throats were being strained and minds broadened."
-- P. G. Wodehouse, Piccadilly Jim
John Harkness
OJones7893 wrote:
> Lately, I've been thinking about movies with various songs in them,
> supposedly sung by the actors (or just their characters at least). Does anyone
> know which of these actors in these movies did their own singing and which of
> them didn't (and had other people's singing voices dubbed in or lipsync-ed to
> other singing voices)? Thanks. I'm curious.
>
Snip
> Marlon Brando - Guys and Dolls
>
You think they hired someone to sound like that?
John
wtr...@my-deja.com
fr...@aol.comnojunk (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) wrote:
> ojone...@aol.com (OJones7893) wrote:
>
> > Lately, I've been thinking about movies with various songs in them,
> >supposedly sung by the actors (or just their characters at least).
Does
> >anyone
> >know which of these actors in these movies did their own singing and
which of
> >them didn't (and had other people's singing voices dubbed in or
lipsync-ed to
> >other singing voices)? Thanks. I'm curious.
> >
> >
>
> The IMDb soundtrack listing has Bassinger performing her own songs.
There is a
> vocal coach in the credits.
>
> > Deborah Kerr - An Affair To Remember
> >
>
> Marni Nixon, the ubiquitous one, also according to the IMDb.
>
> > Rita Hayworth - Down To Earth
> >
>
> Anita Ellis, according to Pauline Kael.
>
> > Val Kilmer - Top Secret
> >
>
> Top Secret!, actually. Val Kilmer, according to the IMDb, did his own
singing.
>
> > Loles Leon - Tie Me Up Tie Me Down
> >
>
> AKA _ĄÁtame!_. No information about song performers in IMDb.
>
> > Dylan McDermott - The Fear Inside
> >
>
> No soundtrack information in IMDb.
>
> > Lisa Hartman (Black) - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
> >
>
> _Jacqueline Susann's Valley of the Dolls_, to give it its full title.
No
> soundtrack information in IMDb.
>
> > Jean Simmons - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
> >
>
> No soundtrack information in IMDb.
>
> >
>
". . .and
> Brando making a not-bad musical debut as gambler Sky Masterson."
>
> That was fun. Obviously you could have done this yourself, but I was
interested
> in the answers, too.
For any fans of the BBC television series of Sherlock Holmes, they
should be quite amused at seeing Jeremy Brett lip-syncing and dancing
up-and-down the street in "My Fair Lady."
Gary
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John Harkness wrote in message <37CADCC1...@netcom.ca>...
>
>
>OJones7893 wrote:
>
>> Lately, I've been thinking about movies with various songs in them,
>> supposedly sung by the actors (or just their characters at least). Does
anyone
>> know which of these actors in these movies did their own singing and
which of
>> them didn't (and had other people's singing voices dubbed in or
lipsync-ed to
>> other singing voices)? Thanks. I'm curious.
>>
>
>
>> Marlon Brando - Guys and Dolls
>>
>
>
>
>John
L-O-L !!!
lastan...@webtv.net
While itis true that Metro refused to let Ava
Gardner do hr own singing in SHOW BOAT
(they dubbed in Annette Warren), she was
allowed to do the recording which, especially
BILL is far superior to the movie version.
Gardner"s sweet and untrained voice was
perfect for this song. What were they thinking?
Lam/
Sueso
Wull <wjma...@datarecall.net> wrote in message
news:37CB2C79...@datarecall.net...
> OK Frank, you knew which movie I was talking about. ;-) Why
> didn't you say so. Did Ms. Nixon sing for The King and I?
> I saw her picture once, she was quite good looking.
>
> She also did some singing in The Sound of Music, in fact she
> may have been one of the nuns.
>
> Wull
Marni was a very cute nun, as a matter of fact.
Wull
Ava Gardner in Showboat
Natalie Wood in West Side Story
Deb. Kerr in Anna and the King of Siam
Audry Hepburn in My Fair Lady
I know the lady who grew up within 10 miles of me (and at
the same time) did all of her own singing, Shirley Jones.
Wull--who thinks Marne Nixon may have done most of them.
wtr...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <19990830150521...@ng-bd1.aol.com>,
> fr...@aol.comnojunk (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) wrote:
> > ojone...@aol.com (OJones7893) wrote:
> >
> > > Lately, I've been thinking about movies with various songs in them,
> > >supposedly sung by the actors (or just their characters at least).
> Does
> > >anyone
> > >know which of these actors in these movies did their own singing and
> which of
> > >them didn't (and had other people's singing voices dubbed in or
> lipsync-ed to
> > >other singing voices)? Thanks. I'm curious.
> > >
> > > Kim Basinger - The Marrying Man
> > >
> >
> > The IMDb soundtrack listing has Bassinger performing her own songs.
> There is a
> > vocal coach in the credits.
> >
> > > Deborah Kerr - An Affair To Remember
> > >
> >
> > Marni Nixon, the ubiquitous one, also according to the IMDb.
> >
> > > Rita Hayworth - Down To Earth
> > >
> >
> > Anita Ellis, according to Pauline Kael.
> >
> > > Val Kilmer - Top Secret
> > >
> >
> > Top Secret!, actually. Val Kilmer, according to the IMDb, did his own
> singing.
> >
> > > Loles Leon - Tie Me Up Tie Me Down
> > >
> >
> > AKA _～tame!_. No information about song performers in IMDb.
> >
> > > Dylan McDermott - The Fear Inside
> > >
> >
> > No soundtrack information in IMDb.
> >
> > > Lisa Hartman (Black) - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
> > >
> >
> > _Jacqueline Susann's Valley of the Dolls_, to give it its full title.
> No
> > soundtrack information in IMDb.
> >
> > > Jean Simmons - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
> > >
> >
> > No soundtrack information in IMDb.
> >
> > > Marlon Brando - Guys and Dolls
> > >
> >
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
>
>Ava Gardner in Showboat
>Natalie Wood in West Side Story
>Deb. Kerr in Anna and the King of Siam
>Audry Hepburn in My Fair Lady
>
>I know the lady who grew up within 10 miles of me (and at
>the same time) did all of her own singing, Shirley Jones.
>
>Wull--who thinks Marne Nixon may have done most of them.
>
Here's what the IMDb says about Gardner in the 1951 _Show Boat_:
"Although Annette Warren dubbed Ava Gardner's singing voice in the movie, Ms.
Gardner herself sang her two songs on the MGM soundtrack album"
Marni Nixon provided the voice in _West Side Story_, _The King and I_ (there's
no singing in the one you named), and _My Fair Lady_.
Shirley Jones was perfect in _Oklahoma!_, _Carousel_, and _The Music Man_. It's
been pretty much downhill since then, imho; perky just doesn't work the same
magic after four decades. Although it was fun seeing her make out with Drew
Carey on TV last season, something I'd never do.
Wull
didn't you say so. Did Ms. Nixon sing for The King and I?
I saw her picture once, she was quite good looking.
She also did some singing in The Sound of Music, in fact she
may have been one of the nuns.
Wull
Chris Dashiell
OJones7893 <ojone...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990830115609...@ng-bj1.aol.com>...
> Lately, I've been thinking about movies with various songs in them,
> supposedly sung by the actors (or just their characters at least). Does
anyone
> know which of these actors in these movies did their own singing and
which of
> them didn't (and had other people's singing voices dubbed in or
lipsync-ed to
> other singing voices)? Thanks. I'm curious.
>
> Kim Basinger - The Marrying Man
>
> Deborah Kerr - An Affair To Remember
>
> Rita Hayworth - Down To Earth
>
> Val Kilmer - Top Secret
>
> Loles Leon - Tie Me Up Tie Me Down
>
> Dylan McDermott - The Fear Inside
>
> Lisa Hartman (Black) - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
>
> Jean Simmons - The Valley of the Dolls (1981)
>
> Marlon Brando - Guys and Dolls
The only ones I'm sure of are Hayworth and Brando. Hayworth never
did her own singing - she couldn't sing worth a damn (but she was a
great dancer). That is definitely Brando's voice in Guys and Dolls.
Dashiell
OJones7893
>The only ones I'm sure of are Hayworth and Brando. Hayworth never
>did her own singing - she couldn't sing worth a damn (but she was a
>great dancer). That is definitely Brando's voice in Guys and Dolls.
Didn't Hayworth do her own singing in "Gilda"? Didn't she herself sing that
jazz song "Put The Blame on Mame"? I could have sworn that a Rita Hayworth
album had been released that included "Put the Blame on Mame". Which is true
and which isn't? Now I'm confused.
Harri85274
>jazz song "Put The Blame on Mame"? I could have sworn that a Rita Hayworth
>album had been released that included "Put the Blame on Mame". Which is
>true
>and which isn't? Now I'm confused.
>
>
>
>
>
Hayworth had no singing voice at all. She did not sing in any of her musicals.
They were all dubbed and obvious, especially in Blood and Sand, and Gilda.. The
album you may of seen and heard, naturally had her name on it, to make sales of
anykind. The company that issued it, took advantage of her name for what it was
worth.
lastan...@webtv.net
The great Anita Ellis was the voice of Gilda.
Ellis was one fthe most respected Singers of
her time but suffered from severe stage fright
and made few personal appearances. She did ,
however take over fo Arabella Hong ("Love
Look Away') when she, Hong, leftFlower Drum
Song. Her recordings are available. One of them, a concept album --I
Wonder What Became of Me -- is flawless.
I last saw Ellis at her brother' memorial (her
brother was Larry Kert) and she was suffering
from Altzheimer's disease . I do not know if she is still alive.
Lam
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
>OK Frank, you knew which movie I was talking about. ;-) Why
>didn't you say so. Did Ms. Nixon sing for The King and I?
>I saw her picture once, she was quite good looking.
>
>She also did some singing in The Sound of Music, in fact she
>may have been one of the nuns.
>
>Wull
>
Bill,
Disregard the other mail from me since I now know what you were talking about
it that other posting.
Sorry if I threw you a curve ball.
Frank
********************************************
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
>
>>The only ones I'm sure of are Hayworth and Brando. Hayworth never
>>did her own singing - she couldn't sing worth a damn (but she was a
>>great dancer). That is definitely Brando's voice in Guys and Dolls.
>
>jazz song "Put The Blame on Mame"? I could have sworn that a Rita Hayworth
>album had been released that included "Put the Blame on Mame". Which is
>true
>and which isn't? Now I'm confused.
>
As others have responded, Anita Ellis dubbed Hayworth's singing in _Gilda_.
In _Cover Girl_, a musical with Gene Kelly and Phil Silvers that I have a soft
spot for in my heart or head or both, her singing voice was dubbed by Martha
Mears, according to the IMDb.
In _You'll Never Get Rich_, a musical with Fred Astaire, the singer was Nan
Wynn.
Wynn performed the same service for Hayworth in _You Were Never Lovelier_,
another musical with Astaire and in _My Gal Sal_ the biopic of Paul Dresser,
starring Victor Mature as Dresser.
(She also dubbed Marion Martin in the Bob Hope spy flick _They Got Me Covered_,
but that's another story.)
All of Hayworth's dubbers are listed in this item in the IMDb: "Rita's singing
was dubbed by Nan Wynn (1941-44), Martha Mears (1945), Anita Ellis (1946-48),
and Jo Ann Greer (1952-57)."
As for Hayworth's own voice, the IMDb says: "Rita's own singing voice is heard
in the introductions to her songs (otherwise dubbed by Jo Ann Greer) in 'Pal
Joey (1957)'."
Interestingly, the actual _Pal Joey_ pages in the IMDb make no mention of Greer
and list Hayworth as performing her songs, "Zip" and "Bewitch, Bothered, and
Bewildered", which is true but incomplete.
Besides _Pal Joey_, Greer's voice is heard in _Affair in Trinidad_ and _Miss
Sadie Thompson_.
OJones7893
Thanks a lot for the info. I appreciate it. Having caught "Down To Earth", I
was wondering if Rita could really sound like that. It's nice to know who the
voice was behind Rita's face. Just the same, Rita was good in that movie. I
also thank you and the other posters for the other info about the other actors
and their movie songs.
David Kelsey
Maloney <fr...@aol.comnojunk> writes
[snip]
>As others have responded, Anita Ellis dubbed Hayworth's singing in _Gilda_.
>
Clive Hirschhorn wrote (in "The Columbia Story"):
"Though Hayworth's vocals were dubbed by Anita Ellis, she can be heard
singing in her own voice, and accompanying herself on the guitar, in a
short reprise of 'Put the Blame on Mame'."
--
David Kelsey
PGS
instrument he has.
PGS
I can still see that weird Kim Novak smirk while she sings it.
"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" wrote:
>
>
> Interestingly, the actual _Pal Joey_ pages in the IMDb make no mention of Greer
> and list Hayworth as performing her songs, "Zip" and "Bewitch, Bothered, and
> Bewildered", which is true but incomplete.
>
> Besides _Pal Joey_, Greer's voice is heard in _Affair in Trinidad_ and _Miss
> Sadie Thompson_.
>
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
>Bewitched... was sung by Kim Novak's character in Pal Joey. Who dubbed for
>her?
>I can still see that weird Kim Novak smirk while she sings it.
>
>"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Interestingly, the actual _Pal Joey_ pages in the IMDb make no mention of
>Greer
>> and list Hayworth as performing her songs, "Zip" and "Bewitch, Bothered,
>and
>> Bewildered", which is true but incomplete.
>>
>> Besides _Pal Joey_, Greer's voice is heard in _Affair in Trinidad_ and
>_Miss
>> Sadie Thompson_.
>>
I can't answer your question. I was reporting what I found in the IMDb.
Paula J. Vitaris
: Bewitched... was sung by Kim Novak's character in Pal Joey. Who dubbed
for her?
: I can still see that weird Kim Novak smirk while she sings it.
Trudy Erwin (uncredited, of course) dubbed Kim Novak's vocals.
By the way, Pal Joey is coming out on DVD in November, in both widescreen
and pan and scan versions. This is the first time it will be widescreen
on home video, I think -- the laser disc is p/s.
-- Paula
cinek...@my-deja.com
Let's not forget there are actually 100s of films in which singing
voices were dubbed. I have and am researching extensively on this topic
and more dubbed credits are surfacing all the time. We often think of
singing being dubbed in musicals, but the fact is voices were dubbed in
100s of films noirs, dramas and westerns as well.
Many mistakes are widely spread though. And there are many in the IMDB.
Nan Wynn sang for Hayworth in MY GAL SAL and YOU WERE NEVER LOVELIER not
in YOU'LL NEVER GET RICH (her character does not sing a note in that
one). That was Martha Mears in both COVER GIRL and TONIGHT AND EVERY
NIGHT, Anita Ellis in GILDA (even the humming was dubbed), DOWN TO
EARTH, LADY FROM SHANGHAI and LOVES OF CARMEN and JO Ann Greer in PAL
JOEY, AFFAIR IN TRINIDAD and MISS SADIE THOMPSON. Gloria Franklin sang
for her in WHO KILLED GAIL PRESTON? (1938) and Mercedes Ruffino dubbed
her in BLOOD AND SAND.
Martha Mears was the most prolific dubber in Hollywood. I have confirmed
over 35 vocal credits for her so far and ladies she dubbed include
Hayworth, Hedy Lamarr, Loretta Young, Claire Trevor, Marjorie Reynolds,
Martha O'Driscoll, Sonja Henie, Veronica Lake, Carole Landis, Lucille
Ball, Marta Toren, Claudette Colbert and many more. That was also her
dubbing Marion Martin in THEY GOT ME COVERED and not Nan Wynn as many
sources claim.
Other actresses who were always dubbed include Cyd Charisse, Vera-Ellen,
Jeanne Crain, Joan Leslie, Joan Bennett, Virginia Mayo, ALexis Smith,
Nancy Kelly, Lynn Bari, Adele Jergens, Claire Trevor, Lana Turner,
Lizabeth Scott, Dorothy Malone, Myrna Dell, Lucille Ball, Maria
Montez, Gloria Stuart, Linda Darnell, Kay Francis, Jean Harlow,
Olivia de Havilland, Joan Fontaine, Anita Louise, Mona Freeman,
Audrey Totter, Constance Dowling, Vera Ralston, Merle Oberon, ...
Actresses with no voice training were generally dubbed, but actors often
did their own singing whether or not they were trained. Some actresses
were dubbed in certain, not not all of their films like Esther Williams,
June Allyson, Ava Gardner, Joan Crawford, Eleonor Powell, June Haver,
Ann Sheridan, Leslie Caron, Virginia Gibson, Patrice Wymore, Barbara
Stanwyck, Rita Moreno, Shirley Temple (in her teens), Angela Lansbury,
Yvonne de Carlo, Natalie Wood (she did ALL her own singing in GYPSY
though - many sources falsely assume she was dubbed)...
Anyone who wishes more credits, lists, info etc. please feel free to
contact me!!!
Karine
Harri85274
Favorite Spy, but not H.M. Pulham, Esq. That was her voice and very good.
David Daugherty
voice...
Julie Andrews, in the Sound Of Music, moved her mouth to Stevie
Nicks and Janis Joplan's voice
and finally, Judy Garland moved her mouth to Andy Devine 's and William
Frawley's singing in The Wizard of Oz,,,and that's the Clinton
truth..so help me Hiliary : - )
Janet Bostwick
are having a disagreement about a couple of actress's singing. Primarily,
Natalie Wood in West Side Story. But I would like to know who did the
singing for Ava Gardner in ShowBoat.
By the way, this is a great newsgroup. I never thought of a newsgroup to
keep family peace, glad I found you folks.
Janet
<cinek...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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John H
Nixon, who also did Deborah Kerr's singing in The King And I and
Audrey Hepburn's in My Fair Lady. She also filled some high notes for
Monroe in "Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend"
John Harkness
lastan...@webtv.net
Gardner in Show Boat?"
Annette Warren dubbed the film but it is Ava
Gardner, herself, who is heard on the recording.
/and she is pretty damned good!
Itis hard for me to believe /Carole Landis, Ann
Sheridan and June Allyson were ever dubbed
as all of them were singers.
Lam/
OJones7893
Fire"?
LaraH
>Some actresses
> were dubbed in certain, not not all of their films like Esther Williams,
> June Allyson, Ava Gardner, Joan Crawford, Eleonor Powell, June Haver,
> Ann Sheridan, Leslie Caron, Virginia Gibson, Patrice Wymore, Barbara
> Stanwyck, Rita Moreno, Shirley Temple (in her teens), Angela Lansbury,
> Yvonne de Carlo, Natalie Wood (she did ALL her own singing in GYPSY
> though - many sources falsely assume she was dubbed)...
Hard to believe that Eleanor Powell was ever dubbed as she had an amazing
voice. June Allyson voice was pretty distintive - do you know who dubbed
her at times?
Lara
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In answer to 3 different posts:
Eleonor Powell's singing was dubbed in all but 2
of her singing roles at MGM. That was her voice in
ROSALIE and in BROADWAY MELODY OF 1940, but it was
Marjorie Lane, MGM's foremost studio singer of the
30s, who sang all her songs in BORN TO DANCE and
the 2 other BROADWAY MELODIES of 1936 and 1938.
She was a recording artist at the time and her own
voice, while quite satisfactory, was not nearly as
polished as that of Marjorie Lane.
June Allyson was dubbed for her ballad "A Perfect
Love" in THE OPPOSITE SEX by Jo Ann Greer. It was
a nice try, but did not sound anything like her.
That was June herself singing all her other songs
in that film. The only other time she was partly
dubbed was in MEET THE PEOPLE - she sang her own
solo lines but her harmonies were dubbed by Bobbie
Canvin (who often sang for Alexis Smith and JInx
Falkenburg).
Hedy Lamarr did her own brief humming in HM PULHAM
ESQ but was dubbed by Martha Mears in MY FAVORITE
SPY and by Paula Raymond in EXPERIMENT PERILOUS.
Lauren Bacall was not dubbed in TO HAVE AND HAVE
NOT. The studio had planned to dub her and had
hired a young Andy Williams for the job, but the
match did not work out and they let her tackle her
own song and not very well at that. Many sources
have this all wrong which is hard to understand as
anyone who truly listens to that song can't help
realizing it was performed by a totally untrained
voice.
The IMDB has a lot of erroneous info about dubbed
singing by the way. There are hundreds of films
for which they do not mention the ghost-singers
and credit the vocals to the actors instead and a
lot of incorrect factual information. The Marni
Nixon filmo mention 2 dubbing jobs for Marie
Windsor which is totally wrong. That was Virginia
Rees singing for Windsor in THE FIGHTING
KENTUCKIAN and Anita Ellis singing for her in
DAKOTA LIL. I send in corrections and additions
occasionnally but it will take long to get all the
dubbers in there for over 1 000 films when the
IMDB only gives reference to some 35 films with
dubbed vocals for the moment.
cine_...@my-deja.com
cine_...@my-deja.com
cine_...@my-deja.com
cine_...@my-deja.com
cine_...@my-deja.com
In answer to 3 different posts:
Eleonor Powell's singing was dubbed in all but 2
of her singing roles at MGM. That was her voice in
ROSALIE and in BROADWAY MELODY OF 1940, but it was
Marjorie Lane, MGM's foremost studio singer of the
30s, who sang all her songs in BORN TO DANCE and
the 2 other BROADWAY MELODIES of 1936 and 1938.
Eeonor was a recording artist at the time and her own
cine_...@my-deja.com
times and every time I clicked on "Send", I was told my file contained
no data and could not be sent. Yet, it appears it was sent all 6 times!
I apologize for this "invasion"
cine_...@my-deja.com
lastan...@webtv.net wrote:
> Itis hard for me to believe /Carole Landis, Ann
> Sheridan and June Allyson were ever dubbed
> as all of them were singers.
>
Carole Landis was never dubbed at Fox but she was dubbed in U-A'S
ROAD SHOW in 1941 by Martha Mears. Ann Sheridan usually sang
herself but was completely dubbed in her one big musical starrer SHINE
ON HARVEST MOON by Lynn Martin. She recorded all the songs but
WB felt her voice was not polished enough to carry a whole musical so
they redubbed her prior to release. June Allyson was dubbed for one song
(A Perfect Love)(by Jo Ann Greer) in THE OPPOSITE SEX and for her
harmonies (by Bobbie Canvin)in MEET THE PEOPLE. A lot of actresses who
could sing but who were not TRAINED singers wound up dubbed in some
films. Esther Williams often sang herself but was dubbed for her
demanding songs, June Haver sang herself for years but was dubbed from
1949 onward, Patrice Wymore is often remembered as a singer-dancer but
her singing parts at WB were dubbed in some films, Yvonne de Carlo
studied voice and sang herself in many films but was dubbed by Doreen
Tryden while her singing training was still going on, Eleonor Powell
sang on Broadway but her voice was not quite polished enough for most of
her movie songs and was usually dubbed by Marjorie Lane, ALexis Smith
who later sang on Broadway was dubbed for all her singing turns on the
screen..the list is endless. The moment an actress did not have years of
singing lessons behind her, studios took no chances and dubbed them as
the quality of the voices mattered greatly in those years. My goodness,
most of today's top singers would not have been allowed to sing in the
40s!
cine_...@my-deja.com
Martha Tilton in BALL OF FIRE. Tilton dubbed many actresses in the
40s and worked as a ghost-singer at Universal for several years.
Stanwyck did sing herself in several films (PURCHASE PRICE, LADY
OF BURLESQUE, BANJO ON MY KNEE, THIS IS MY AFFAIR) but
was dubbed in quite a few too like BALL OF FIRE, CALIFORNIA and
MAN WITH A CLOAK. She had a different dubber in each.
lsmills
several songs. Very interesting but Warren wins by a hair.
Bill Steele
> > Itis hard for me to believe /Carole Landis, Ann
> > Sheridan and June Allyson were ever dubbed
> > as all of them were singers.
> >
> June Allyson was dubbed for one song
> (A Perfect Love)(by Jo Ann Greer) in THE OPPOSITE SEX and for her
> harmonies (by Bobbie Canvin)in MEET THE PEOPLE.
I find it hard to understand how they got away with that, since her voice
was so distinctive. It would sound like Bob Dylan being dubbed by Pat
Boone.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Scott's huskiness in the low notes rather well, I thought.
lastan...@webtv.net
Don"t know the answer but find it interesting
that Scott wa s dubbed in every movie she was
in but recorded a comple album -- Lizabeth --
of standards in her own voice. Go figure.
Lam
cine_...@my-deja.com
fr...@aol.comnojunk (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) wrote:
> So who dubbed Lizabeth Scott in _Dead Reckoning_? Whoever did the deed
caught
> Scott's huskiness in the low notes rather well, I thought.
Lizabeth Scott's usual voice double was Judy (aka Trudy) Stevens from
1948 onward but in 1947's DEAD RECKONING that was another dubbing job
from frequent dubber Bobbie Canvin (aka Barbara Ames). Canvin sang for
numerous actresses from Dorothy Malone to Jinx Falkenburg, Alexis SMith,
Margaret Lindsay, Adele Jergens and one of the sisters (Norma Doggett)
in 7 BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS.
So many film noir sirens were dubbed like Lizabeth, Ava Gardner (that
was her own singing in THE KILLERS though), Nancy Guild, Veronica Lake,
Faye Emerson, Hazel Brooks, Gloria Grahame, Audrey Totter, Linda
Darnell, Rita Hayworth and plenty more.
Annette Warren who sang for Gardner in SHOW BOAT was also a frequent
dubber for Lucille Ball in her Paramount films with Bob Hope. She had a
fabulously wide-ranging voice - I was always glad they dubbed Gardner in
the film as her her own half-taking half-singing style was not very
polished for such great, immortal songs. She made a valiant try but in
my book she was clearly no singer. After SHOW BOAT, she sang for herself
on the screen in PANDORA and in LONE STAR, although prior to SHOW BOAT
she had usually been dubbed by Eileen Wilson as in THE HUCKSTERS, ONE
TOUCH OF VENUS and THE BRIBE. Wilson was also a dubber for Sheree North,
Cyd Charisse, Dorothy Patrick, Linda Darnell, Donna Douglas, Kim Novak,
Jayne Mansfield and many more.
Harri85274
the gaul of standing in front of an audience, mimicking a song and actually no
sound coming out of the mouth...or is it actually done with their voices and
then dubbed. Either way, they look foolish.
cinek...@my-deja.com
90% of the time, the process was that the actor or actress would film
the scene while singing along to the already-made pre-recording sung by
the voice double. This way you usually (but not always) get a satisfying
result and the actress really appears to be singing when you look at the
scene as you can see the vibration of the vocal cords etc. Then, when
the film goes into editing, they simply use the sound of the
pre-recording. Some actresses worked diligently at their "mouthing" jobs
- Rita Hayworth was one, she really worked at moving her mouth and
holding her head like a real singer would. Lynn Bari, Adele Jergens, Cyd
Charisse, Martha O'Driscoll, Virginia Mayo and Jeanne Crain were also
experts at this art. Some actresses never got the hang of it though,
like Maria Montez or Vera Ralston. It is a difficult task when you think
of it as you have people who cannot sing having to match their mouths to
trained voices - thus the moment the performer on screen and the voice
double do not prounounce a word the same way or the moment the on-screen
performer is unable to give the impression that he/she can hold notes
and modulate - the dubbing becomes very noticeable. Yet, as few people
to this day realize how many dozens of actors and actresses were dubbed,
we have to conclude that a lot of people did a pretty convincing job and
managed to fool the audience to perfection.
In several 60s musicals, some actresses like Audrey Hepburn in MY FAIR
LADY and Natalie Wood in WEST SIDE STORy originally recorded their own
vocals which were ultimately scrapped and then Marni Nixon had to come
in and match her voice to the already filmed performance. But this
seldom happened. In both cases, the dubbing is obvious as it's so easy
to see that Audrey and Natalie were not singing in the same key as
Marni Nixon. I was just a kid of 12 when I saw MY FAIR LADY in the
mid-80s and the moment Audrey opened her mouth to sing "Loverly", I
realized she was dubbed as it was impossible from the way she held her
head and moved her mouth that she could have sung in a soprano key.
That's what got me into pursuing this constant research on voice doubles
actually.
As for being phonies, it all depends on the way you look at things. From
what I can gather, the quality and technical skill of singing voices was
of considerable importance in the the 30s, 40s and 50s. Thus, rather
than having non-singers get by with their own untrained voices, studios
hired professional singers to handle the vocals. I don't think that's
anything to be ashamed of. Not everyone can sing, just like not everyone
can dance or be a brilliant dramatic actor. In the case of singing, this
could be easily solved by having someone else provide the vocals. Of
course, it was kept secret - as the public might have been hurt to know
that the "divinities" of the screen were not accomplished in every
possible way. So it had to be concealed to protect the stars. But cinema
being an illusion in itself, the dubbing was just another part of the
illusion - that's my take on it anyway. I'm sure grateful to watch films
from those years and to hear melodious and usually trained voices during
the song segments from musicals but also films noirs, westerns, dramas
etc. From my point of view, there are a lot more of phonies today. So
many people who are known and make their career as "singers" and who
have no range or voice at all. I get a chuckle every time I think that
an awful lot of today's "singers" would have had even their humming
dubbed back in the 40s!
Seems like I'm writing a book by this point, so I'll stop now. Ha! I
just love this topic, I'm sure you can tell :)
Karine
PS - I sure wish TCM could make some kind of documentary about
ghost-singers, they sure deserve recognition for their uncredited work.
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starcro1
dubbed by others. Usually this happens with foreign actors before they
master English, like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his early "Hercules" movie.
But it also happens to English-speaking Americans. In Hugh Hudson's
"Greystoke:The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes" Glenn Close's voice comes
out of Andie MacDowell's mouth. The rationale was that MacDowell, a fashion
model just starting her acting career, could not disguise her American
Southern accent well enough to play an English lady.
Any other examples
Bill Steele wrote in message ...
Opencity
Angela Lansbury dubbed Ingrid Thulin in "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse."
Rich Little dubbed an ailing David Niven in "The Curse of the Pink Panther."
All of Jack Hawkins' speaking performances following his throat cancer surgery
were dubbed.
Czech actress Anny Ondray was dubbed by an actress literally standing
off-screen in the 1929 Hitchcock film "Blackmail."
richard
starcro1 wrote:
> Any other examples
Dubbing of voices was used extensively in the
early Bond films. I believe that in the Connery
Bond films most actors who didn't come from
an English speaking country had their voice dubbed.
The most noteworthy examples are probably Ursula
Andress in "Dr. No" and Gert Frobe in "Goldfinger".
Richard
agrg...@my-deja.com
"starcro1" <star...@gte.net> wrote:
> What I find bizzare is films in which well-known actors have their
Dialogue
> dubbed by others. Usually this happens with foreign actors before they
> master English, like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his early "Hercules"
movie.
> But it also happens to English-speaking Americans. In Hugh Hudson's
> "Greystoke:The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes" Glenn Close's
voice comes
> out of Andie MacDowell's mouth. The rationale was that MacDowell, a
fashion
> model just starting her acting career, could not disguise her American
> Southern accent well enough to play an English lady.
>
that Jane was educated down South. Tarzan was supposed to be an
outsider, why not Jane? I suppose that idea made too much sense.
AJG
> Any other examples
>
> Bill Steele wrote in message ...
> >In article <7s7ubc$88p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, cine_...@my-deja.com
wrote:
> >
> >> > Itis hard for me to believe /Carole Landis, Ann
> >> > Sheridan and June Allyson were ever dubbed
> >> > as all of them were singers.
> >> >
> >
> >> June Allyson was dubbed for one song
> >> (A Perfect Love)(by Jo Ann Greer) in THE OPPOSITE SEX and for her
> >> harmonies (by Bobbie Canvin)in MEET THE PEOPLE.
> >
> >I find it hard to understand how they got away with that, since her
voice
> >was so distinctive. It would sound like Bob Dylan being dubbed by Pat
> >Boone.
>
>
Bill Steele
> Any other examples
The Lone Ranger
Mad Max
I recall reading somewhere that almost all Italian film are dubbed after
shooting.
John H
>In article <Bx6H3.165$5T6....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
> "starcro1" <star...@gte.net> wrote:
>> What I find bizzare is films in which well-known actors have their
>Dialogue
>> dubbed by others. Usually this happens with foreign actors before they
>> master English, like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his early "Hercules"
>movie.
>> But it also happens to English-speaking Americans. In Hugh Hudson's
>> "Greystoke:The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes" Glenn Close's
>voice comes
>> out of Andie MacDowell's mouth. The rationale was that MacDowell, a
>fashion
>> model just starting her acting career, could not disguise her American
>> Southern accent well enough to play an English lady.
>>
> It would have made more sense to add a few lines to the script to say
>that Jane was educated down South. Tarzan was supposed to be an
>outsider, why not Jane? I suppose that idea made too much sense.
>AJG
>
>
Not to mention that in the novels Jane and her father are from
somewhere like Wisconsin, not Brits at all.
John Harkness
Howard Brazee
bu...@home.com
> > But it also happens to English-speaking Americans. In Hugh Hudson's
> > "Greystoke:The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes" Glenn Close's
> voice comes
> > out of Andie MacDowell's mouth.
> It would have made more sense to add a few lines to the script to say
> that Jane was educated down South. Tarzan was supposed to be an
> outsider, why not Jane? I suppose that idea made too much sense.
> AJG
The irony is that in the original Burroughs books Jane Porter was an
American, from Baltimore, if memory serves. Hollywood changed her
name and origin. Perhaps the casting of Andie MacDowell had purpose
to it.
agrg...@my-deja.com
they manage to screw it up. AJG
Harri85274
what I can gather, the quality and technical skill of singing voices was
of considerable importance in the the 30s, 40s and 50s. Thus, rather
than having non-singers get by with their own untrained voices, studios
hired professional singers to handle the vocals. I don't think that's
anything to be ashamed of. Not everyone can sing, just like not everyone
can dance or be a brilliant dramatic actor.>>>
I get your point. The thing that does upset me though, is when record companys
try to sell albums by some of these stars as singers. Rita Hayworth for one
Movies is one thing, records is another.
starcro1
bu...@home.com wrote in message <37F031B...@home.com>...
>
>> > But it also happens to English-speaking Americans. In Hugh Hudson's
>> > "Greystoke:The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes" Glenn Close's
>> voice comes
>> > out of Andie MacDowell's mouth.
>
>> It would have made more sense to add a few lines to the script to say
>> that Jane was educated down South. Tarzan was supposed to be an
>> outsider, why not Jane? I suppose that idea made too much sense.
>> AJG
>
>The irony is that in the original Burroughs books Jane Porter was an
>American, from Baltimore, if memory serves. Hollywood changed her
>name and origin. Perhaps the casting of Andie MacDowell had purpose
>to it.
Not Hollywood. "Greystoke" director Hugh "Chariots of Fire" Hudson is
British.
Howard Brazee
bu...@home.com
> bu...@home.com wrote...
> >The irony is that in the original Burroughs books Jane Porter was an
> >American, from Baltimore, if memory serves. Hollywood changed her
> >name and origin. Perhaps the casting of Andie MacDowell had purpose
> >to it.
starcro1
Howard Brazee wrote in message <37F13F64...@webaccess.net>...
>Do people complain that Dooley Wilson didn't really play the piano?
If "Casablanca were remade today, Bobby Short would play Sam. (assuming
Bobby Short is still alive. I don't know.)
fyns...@webtv.net
anyone has mentioned it, there is a film with Mickey Rooney and Buddy
Hackett called Everybody's Talking in which the entire performance of
ingenue Joanie Sommers is dubbed.
Will
of the series they weren't even attempting to get usable speech from the
parrot-like mule as Mickey Rooney wouldn't put up with the required
multiple retakes that Donald O'Connnor had been patient with. You can
clearly detect the human voice dubbing for the mule in the last Rooney
film.
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