Veronica Lake - did she sing ?
Brian
Just finished a Veronica Lake marathon of Sullivan's Travels, This Gun
for Hire, The Blue Dahlia & I Married a Witch and remain as enchanted
with her as ever.
I was wondering though if anyone knew if that was really her singing
those two numbers in This Gun for Hire ?
Brian
Randinez
as far as I know her singing voice was dubbed.
FRAJM
Brian <ns...@earthlink.net> wrote:
From the IMDb:
"I've Got You"
Words by Frank Loesser
Music by Jacques Press
Performed by Veronica Lake
(vocal for Miss Lake: Martha Mears)
"Now You See It, Now You Don't"
Words by Frank Loesser
Music by Jacques Press
Performed by Veronica Lake
(vocal for Miss Lake: Martha Mears)
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
http://members.aol.com/frajm/
"All over the room throats were being strained and minds broadened."
-- P. G. Wodehouse, Piccadilly Jim
T009
>>I was wondering though if anyone knew if that was really her singing
>>those two numbers in This Gun for Hire ?
As real as Rita hayworth's singing in Gilda or any of ther musicals.
David Kelsey
In article <199804162352...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, T009
<t0...@aol.com> writes
>>>I was wondering though if anyone knew if that was really her singing
>>>those two numbers in This Gun for Hire ?
>
>As real as Rita hayworth's singing in Gilda or any of ther musicals.
Although the production number version of Put the Blame on Mame was
vocalled by Anita Ellis, in the scene in which Hayworth reprises the
number it is her own voice on the soundtrack, and her own guitar
accompaniment. She sounds good enough to make you wonder why her singing
was ever dubbed - presumably because she was labelled 'dancer.'
--
David Kelsey
'BurkeZoology' C Wood
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, David Kelsey wrote:
> Gilda is the only movie in which Hayworth's own singing can be heard.
> Although the production number version of Put the Blame on Mame was
> vocalled by Anita Ellis, in the scene in which Hayworth reprises the
> number it is her own voice on the soundtrack, and her own guitar
> accompaniment. She sounds good enough to make you wonder why her singing
> was ever dubbed - presumably because she was labelled 'dancer.'
The source of this story seems to be Ringgold's book "The Films of Rita
Hayworth." Ringgold's statement has been repeated by some authors and
contradicted by others. There does not seem to be a really authoritative
source for the real lowdown on whose voice that is in the first singing of
"Put the Blame on Mame." However, Rita's real singing voice can really be
heard (all sources agree -- plus you can hear the difference on the sound
track) in Pal Joey (1957). She sings the "intro" verses to her own songs,
with the main part of the song being dubbed by Jo Ann Greer.
In any case, there is no doubt that the last rendition of the famous song
in Gilda was dubbed by Anita Ellis. And Ellis did such an outstanding job
that, even if Rita would have done it competently, I think we have no
right to complain...
PS. Among "glamour girl" actresses who did their own singing, include Joan
and Constance Bennett, Carole Landis, Betty Grable, Alice Faye, Lauren
Bacall (the story that Bacall was dubbed by Andy Williams turns out to be
false); Susan Hayward was dubbed in 'With a Song in My Heart' and
'Smash-up', but took lessons and did her own singing, to excellent effect,
in 'I'll Cry Tomorrow.' Most of those who were dubbed probably took it in
good part, but there were exceptions. Ava Gardner, for example, sang so
well that her second husband Artie Shaw wanted to feature her in his band;
but MGM would never let her sing undubbed on film, to her intense
frustration. (She did use her own voice in 'The Killers,' a Universal
film.) Another case is that of Gloria Grahame, who was tone deaf and
*had* to be dubbed; but when she was cast in 'Oklahoma!', Rodgers and
Hammerstein wouldn't take no for an answer, and had her song soundtracks
edited together from recordings made almost literally note by note!
---Rod Crawford, Seattle, USA <puff...@u.washington.edu>
David Kelsey
In article <Pine.A41.3.95b.980421...@homer34.u.washing
ton.edu>, 'BurkeZoology' C Wood <puff...@u.washington.edu> writes
>On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, David Kelsey wrote:
>
>> Gilda is the only movie in which Hayworth's own singing can be heard.
>
>The source of this story seems to be Ringgold's book "The Films of Rita
>Hayworth." Ringgold's statement has been repeated by some authors and
>contradicted by others. There does not seem to be a really authoritative
>source for the real lowdown on whose voice that is in the first singing of
>"Put the Blame on Mame."
Thanks for the correction. I was relying on 'The Columbia Story' by
Clive Hirschhorn, published 1989. I assumed (rashly, it seems) that it
was confirmed by the studio archives. I do not know the date of
Ringgold's book, so cannot tell who got the story from whom.
>
>PS. Among "glamour girl" actresses who did their own singing, include Joan
>and Constance Bennett, Carole Landis, Betty Grable, Alice Faye, Lauren
>Bacall (the story that Bacall was dubbed by Andy Williams turns out to be
>false);
and in the 1930's Grable had a spell singing with the Ted Fio Rito Band
and also stopped the show on Broadway singing 'Well Did You Evah' in
'DuBarry Was a Lady,' so there is absolutely no doubt of their ability
to sing without the aid of sound technicians. Another of Fox's singing
blondes, June Haver, also started out as a band singer - something of a
pattern there?
If my memory serves me aright, Bacall herself said in a TV interview
that Warners originally intended to dub her voice, and Williams actually
made a recording to that end, but there was a change of heart and her
own voice was used.
--
David Kelsey
Joe Caporiccio
'BurkeZoology' C Wood wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, David Kelsey wrote:
>
> > Gilda is the only movie in which Hayworth's own singing can be heard.
> > vocalled by Anita Ellis, in the scene in which Hayworth reprises the
> > number it is her own voice on the soundtrack, and her own guitar
> > accompaniment. She sounds good enough to make you wonder why her singing
> > was ever dubbed - presumably because she was labelled 'dancer.'
>
> Hayworth." Ringgold's statement has been repeated by some authors and
> contradicted by others. There does not seem to be a really authoritative
> source for the real lowdown on whose voice that is in the first singing of
> heard (all sources agree -- plus you can hear the difference on the sound
> track) in Pal Joey (1957). She sings the "intro" verses to her own songs,
> with the main part of the song being dubbed by Jo Ann Greer.
>
> In any case, there is no doubt that the last rendition of the famous song
> in Gilda was dubbed by Anita Ellis. And Ellis did such an outstanding job
> that, even if Rita would have done it competently, I think we have no
> right to complain...
>
> and Constance Bennett, Carole Landis, Betty Grable, Alice Faye, Lauren
> Bacall (the story that Bacall was dubbed by Andy Williams turns out to be
> 'Smash-up', but took lessons and did her own singing, to excellent effect,
> in 'I'll Cry Tomorrow.' Most of those who were dubbed probably took it in
> good part, but there were exceptions. Ava Gardner, for example, sang so
> well that her second husband Artie Shaw wanted to feature her in his band;
> but MGM would never let her sing undubbed on film, to her intense
> frustration. (She did use her own voice in 'The Killers,' a Universal
> film.) Another case is that of Gloria Grahame, who was tone deaf and
> *had* to be dubbed; but when she was cast in 'Oklahoma!', Rodgers and
> Hammerstein wouldn't take no for an answer, and had her song soundtracks
> edited together from recordings made almost literally note by note!
>
to Bewitched! I think Anitqa Ellis is also humming for Rita in Gilda.
Interestingly, Susan Hayward also recorded all of the songs for With a
song but they were not used. Susan did her own singing (put together
from manytakes) in I'll Cry tomorrow, however a dubber was called in to
loop over Susans already filmsed songs (just in case!!)_
Opencity
Hayworth never sang in her films, which is somewhat strange since many of her
films were musicals. Oddly, after her film career waned she did a stage show
in which she sang to no criticism from any corner.
Frank M. Miller
In article <199804251915...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
open...@aol.com (Opencity) wrote:
=Hayworth never sang in her films, which is somewhat strange since many of her
=films were musicals. Oddly, after her film career waned she did a stage show
=in which she sang to no criticism from any corner.
The official line, as I recall, was that she was being kept too busy doing
films and publicity to take time to record her own songs, so they hired
others (some quite excellent) to do it for her.
+=====================================================+
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frn...@mindspring.com (please note correct email address)
Atlanta, GA
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David P. Hayes
Opencity wrote in message
<199804251915...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>Hayworth never sang in her films, which is somewhat strange since many of
her
show
You can't *quite* say "never." Her real voice was mixed with that of the
voiceover singer on the first of the two renditions of "Put the Blame on
Mame" in "Gilda." I find it quite distictive that there is a huskier, more
passionate, albeit less melodious voice whenever the song reaches the last
word of one line of the refrain: "boys."
--
David Hayes
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