movies before movies were invented?
sir loin
invented. i don't mean theatre.
did any novel or painting or whatever conceptualize something like a
movie prior to movie's invention like h. g. wells conceptualized the
ray gun before the laser gun was invented?
could one say the mirror in alice in wonderland was like a pre-movie
idea?
in a way, movies are magic mirrors. we see fantasy versions of
ourselves, or reflections of our dreams, aspirations, vanities,
anxieties.
at the end of 'once upon a time in america', we see noodles looking
right at us the image freezes... he almost becomes us.. or we become
him. he reflects us and we reflect him.
now, the mirror in alice in wonderland didn't quite function this way
but a 2 dimensional object led alice into another world.
Rosabel Verde
> name some examples of something resembling a movie before movies were
> invented. i don't mean theatre.
>
> did any novel or painting or whatever conceptualize something like a
> movie prior to movie's invention like h. g. wells conceptualized the
> ray gun before the laser gun was invented?
>
> could one say the mirror in alice in wonderland was like a pre-movie
> idea?
>
> in a way, movies are magic mirrors. we see fantasy versions of
> ourselves, or reflections of our dreams, aspirations, vanities,
> anxieties.
Or we see things happening in faraway places. The idea of a mirror
reflecting events from beyond our visual capacities I remember from "The
Lady of Shalott", a poem by Alfred Tennyson from I think 1850, but IIRC
he uses a topic from the King Arthur legend. There are examples of this
mirror theme also in the "1001 Nights", it can be a mirroring pillar or
a small portable mirror or a precious stone which shows faraway events
or even allows persons to get into contact with each other (so you might
argue that there are also examples of telephones before telephones were
invented :-), although the examples in old literature often have a
one-way-contact only).
But mirrors (or shiny surfaces, because the idea seems to be older than
the existence of mirrors) can also show events going back or forward in
time: this idea goes back at least as far as the water or oil oracles in
ancient Greece. Tolkien takes it up again in Galadriel's - what was it,
a well?, I don't remember exactly but I am sure almost everybody else
will know what I am referring to. (He also makes use of the crystal
sphere idea for watching faraway events/persons or getting into contact
with someone.)
Greets, Rosabel
chris
sir loin wrote:
> name some examples of something resembling a movie before movies were
> invented. i don't mean theatre.
>
When in doubt, try http://wikipedia.org (a great resource). Re. the
origins & history of movies:
http://tinyurl.com/7vzwg
David Matthews
Interesting site. Thanks. I do remember the "What the Butler Saw" machines
on seaside piers. I believe they were around in Victorian times (before
movies).
Dave in Toronto
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sir loin wrote:
> name some examples of something resembling a movie before movies were
> invented. i don't mean theatre.
Sex.
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battle scene. It was, perhaps, six feet high. You enter the room and
are surrounded by a great painting showing immense distances and close
up details of the battle. I don't have time to look it up but there is
more than one example of this.
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rick++
People were telling stories around campfires
about hunts, gods, or that fool in the next hut
hundreds of thosands of years ago as
language was invented.
Tony
watching something run through a camera obscura is "movie like" what is
simply watching the world move?
With respects to David Hockney, thinking does not seem to be one of his
strong suits. Perhaps he should stick to painting.
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>
> > name some examples of something resembling a movie before movies
> > were invented. i don't mean theatre.
>
> You know David Hockney's theory about painters' use of convex mirrors
> as "cameras" back around the time of Van Eyck and those guys? Hockney
> described how he himself tried to paint a still life using that
> technique, sitting in a small darkened room -- a "camera" -- so he
> could see the reflection from the lens or mirror, first tracing, then
> painting the image projected on the wall. His still life included
> some object hanging by a string, but there was a breeze, so his still
> life wasn't still. Hockney replicated this in a TV documentary, and
> you could see the "movie" of the projected image moving on the wall of
> the little darkened chamber he was sitting in. He said that when he
> first watched the moving image projected on the wall, it occurred to
> him that those artists could have seen something similar, like
> watching a movie centuries before movies were invented.
Tony
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Rosabel Verde
> I saw an immense circular painting in Switzerland depicting a famous
> battle scene. It was, perhaps, six feet high. You enter the room and
> are surrounded by a great painting showing immense distances and close
> up details of the battle. I don't have time to look it up but there is
> more than one example of this.
>
movies. There were many of these "panoramas" in the 18th and 19th
century, especially in France (this art was sponsored by Napoleon who
meant them to spread his fame), but there are very few left. Preferably
they showed battle scenes or heroic landscapes in faraway countries.
I don't know about one in Switzerland, but there's one in Belgium, in
Waterloo, very close to Brussels, depicting, as could be expected, the
Battle of Waterloo. The spectator is on a platform in the center of this
rotund painting and has to move around in order to watch everything
that's depicted in full detail. So there is indeed the aspect of
"moving", but it is not yet the painting, it is the person who has to move.
Greets, Rosabel
Francis A. Miniter
the cave. For that matter then, shadow plays, using elaborate cutouts on
sticks, were a staple of Indonesia and other countries of the far east for
centuries. In Plato and the shadow plays, a fire is used to provide illuminated
projection of the action.
Francis A. Miniter
heynony
David
>Dreams. The art form that movies approximate and frequently mimic.
Dreams. Fleetwood Mac's only #1 hit in the United States.
herr blob
the idea of visions so prevalent in myths and religions.
there must also have been stories of paintings coming to life.
chris
For sculpture, there's always Pygmalion and Galatea.
Erik A. Mattila
For painting, there's "The Face of Dorian Grey" -bwaaaahaaahaaaaaaaa
G*rd*n
> >>maybe the pleasure of stargazing or staring at aurora borealis.
> >>
> >>the idea of visions so prevalent in myths and religions.
> >>
> >>there must also have been stories of paintings coming to life.
chris:
> > For sculpture, there's always Pygmalion and Galatea.
"Erik A. Mattila" <e...@nospamimpix.com>:
> For painting, there's "The Face of Dorian Grey" -bwaaaahaaahaaaaaaaa
That didn't come to life; it came to death.
Steven L.
sir loin wrote:
> name some examples of something resembling a movie before movies were
> invented. i don't mean theatre.
A popular toy was the flip-book. You picked it up between thumb and
forefinger and caused the pages to flip down one after the other. The
result was an animation.
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Rosabel Verde
> maybe the pleasure of stargazing or staring at aurora borealis.
>
> the idea of visions so prevalent in myths and religions.
>
> there must also have been stories of paintings coming to life.
>
Greets, Rosabel
jadel
sir loin wrote:
> name some examples of something resembling a movie before movies were
> invented. i don't mean theatre.
Zoetropes (1834) and other such devices were popular forms of
amusement. People knew about the persistence of images for quite some
time.
J. Del Col
alejandro de tacobell
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