10 best westerns by decade from 30s to 70s
blobblegum
big trail
cimarron
stage coach
40s
my darling clementine
50s
searchers
big country
shane
high noon
winchester 74
60s
once upon a time in the west
man who shot liberty valance
wild bunchery
70s
pat garrett and billy boy
soulstreet60
blobblegum wrote:
> 30s
> stage coach
>
> 50s
> shane
> high noon
> 60s
> 70s
>
> pat garrett and billy boy
good work! I agree with everything except the 40s and 60s....
really real
aging Canadian train robber.
Oops, it missed the 70s by three years - sorry
Eric Stott
"really real" <reall...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Let's not forget The Grey Fox, that kindly gentleman western about the
> aging Canadian train robber.
>
> Oops, it missed the 70s by three years - sorry
OK, then how about The Last Outlaw (1936) where aging robber Harry Carey
gets out of prison after 25 years to find the old west is gone and there's
no place for him, or his ex-enemy sheriff Henry B. Walthall. It's a little
gem of a picture & one of the better sound credits for W. Christy Cabanne.
Eric Stott
Frederica
ERIC!! It's that crossposting nitwit again! Bad Eric! Naughty Eric!
Frederica
sebastian_dangerfield
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Or "Lonely Are the Brave", 1962.
Pam or C. Wayne Owens
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Cavalry Trilogy
really real
Sligo Rover
40s: Clementine
50s: Searchers (Greatest ever)
60s: Liberty Vallance:
70s: Outlaw Josey Wales
bru
the good, the bad, and the ugly
pale rider
little big man
Al Smith
I must agree, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance" was a great
Western, perhaps "the great-est of them all-l-l" [cue clunky
horse-clop music].
Al Smith
>
> the good, the bad, and the ugly
>
> pale rider
>
> little big man
Aw, come on, "Little Big Man" sucked. It just happened to be one
of the few Westerns made in its decade, when the Western had gone
out of fashion. Dustin Hoffman was a joke.
really real
> I must agree, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance" was a great Western,
> perhaps "the great-est of them all-l-l" [cue clunky horse-clop music].
If you mean the Gene Pitney song is clunky horse-clop music, watch out.
I got severely trashed here for not liking this song.
BobbyM
Pitney's song wasn't in the movie.
James Neibaur
>> 30s: Stage Coach
all the best westerns of the 30s were Bs
>> 40s: Clementine
Red River
>> 50s: Searchers (Greatest ever)
yes
>> 60s: Liberty Vallance:
Dollars trilogy
>> 70s: Outlaw Josey Wales
yes
JN
Al Smith
>
>
>
> If you mean the Gene Pitney song is clunky horse-clop music, watch out. I got severely trashed here for not liking this song.
I can hear it in my head. Make it stop! Make it stop!
precode
RIO BRAVO. JOHNNY GUITAR. THE NAKED SPUR. FORTY GUNS. Any of
Boetticher's Randolph Scott westerns.
Mike S.
"Well, don't just stand there. Go get a shovel!"--Craig Stevens in
BUCHANAN RIDES ALONE
Treadleson
....
> THE NAKED SPUR.
Naked Spur has my vote. "Choosin' a way to die? What's the difference?
Choosin' a way to live - that's the hard part."
Al Smith
>
> all the best westerns of the 30s were Bs
>
>
>>>>> 40s: Clementine
>
> Red River
>
>
>>>>> 50s: Searchers (Greatest ever)
>
> yes
>
>
>>>>> 60s: Liberty Vallance:
>
> Dollars trilogy
>
>
>>>>> 70s: Outlaw Josey Wales
>
> yes
>
> JN
>
>
You know a really great Western that's not getting mentioned?
"Missouri Breaks." I love that film! Brando at his fat-period
best. Smilin' Jack! Beauty.
snappo
"Al Smith" <inv...@address.com> wrote in message
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Maybe so, but it managed to present a very different tale
than "They Died With Their Boots On".
--
snappo
edrh...@hotmail.com
Nobody mentioned "Big Jake." I like "Big Jake."
Dan
really real wrote:
> to be serious for a minute, my favorite western is Destry Rides Again
********
and to not be serious, BLAZZING SADDLES which was a loose remake of DRA.
steve
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> 30s
>
> big trail
> cimarron
> stage coach
Ill go with stage coach. Didnt think too much of cimarron, and havent seen
BT.
I'll add
Three Godfathers (1936)
Judge Priest (1934)
> 40s
>
> my darling clementine
Good choice, assuming you mean the pre-release version.
But how can you fail to include what is probably the coolest western ever:
Fort Apache (1948)
> 50s
>
> searchers
> big country
> shane
> high noon
> winchester 74
"shane" is crap as is "The Big Country".
I'll add:
The Gunfighter (1950)
steve
--
"The accused will now make a bogus statement."
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Antonio Forza
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The Outlaw certainly deserves a spot on that list....
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>"shane" is crap as is "The Big Country".
The only "Country" I love from the 1950s is "The Far Country"--Mann,
oh Mann, is that good!
Carlos Serra
Rio Lobo, Rio Bravo, El Dorado!!!
Oh, and Unforgiven, of course...
"Treadleson" <trea...@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
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Al Smith
>>>>>
>>>>> the good, the bad, and the ugly
>>>>>
>>>>> pale rider
>>>>>
>>>>> little big man
>>
>>>
>>> Aw, come on, "Little Big Man" sucked. It just happened to be one of the
>>> few Westerns made in its decade, when the Western had gone out of fashion.
>>> Dustin Hoffman was a joke.
>
>
> Maybe so, but it managed to present a very different tale
> than "They Died With Their Boots On".
True. I doubt its presentation of history was any closer to the
truth, but Custer in "They Died With Their Boots On" was a joke, I
grant you. The man was a retard. When Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse
destroyed him, they did the US military of the day a favor. I
notice it was made in 1941, and no doubt the need to provide
wartime propaganda influenced the rah-rah direction of the film.
By contrast, "Little Big Man" (1970) was a kind of hippy rebuttal,
with all the shortcomings of the hippy view of history.
Al Smith
>
> Rio Lobo, Rio Bravo, El Dorado!!!
>
> Oh, and Unforgiven, of course...
Then there's "Mackenna's Gold" (1969) which was kind of catchy. No
John Wayne, but Gregory Peck.
steve
On 20-Jun-2006, smacked up and reeling, David Oberman
<dobe...@IGNOREsocal.rr.com> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> The only "Country" I love from the 1950s is "The Far Country"--Mann,
> oh Mann, is that good!
I dropped that in my queue, so I hope you're not pulling leg or something.
Mann isnt my favorite, that's for sure. Most of his stuff I find watchable,
but generally...and I dont know if this is his fault... it seems
plausibility, even when it matters, isnt a great concern. We started
watching "Desperate" on TCM last week and dropped it almost immediately.
The scene where truck driver innocently goes to pick up the stolen goods was
laughable. The crooks clumsily and stupidly reveal what they're up
to...walking around with guns visible and openly talking about the stolen
furs... and the driver is just as bone headed in his response...and it all
takes about 15 seconds to unfold. Shortly after the crooks are beating the
driver to force him to go confess to murder. How could that work, you ask?
Good question. I just dont know how filmmakers can commit this stuff to
film. Was Mann given a stupid script and he had no say? Or does he think
it's all in the style and plot and characters arent important? Sure it was
cool when the light was swinging...not enough to keep me watching, though.
Luckily, most of Mann's stuff isnt nearly that bad, though I cant think of
anything offhand that I thought was great.
David Oberman
>> The only "Country" I love from the 1950s is "The Far Country"--Mann,
>> oh Mann, is that good!
>
>I dropped that in my queue, so I hope you're not pulling leg or something.
I didn't tell you to drop that in your queue! I would never have
recommended another Anthony Mann western to you after you said you
didn't like the two or three you already saw. You'd better not blame
me if you don't like this one, either! (& my hunch is that you would
NOT like "Far Country" in any way)
pair of dice lost
steve
<dobe...@IGNOREsocal.rr.com> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> I didn't tell you to drop that in your queue! I would never have
> recommended another Anthony Mann western to you after you said you
> didn't like the two or three you already saw. You'd better not blame
> me if you don't like this one, either! (& my hunch is that you would
> NOT like "Far Country" in any way)
Thanks for the clarification, Dober, but it's no big deal. No retribution
would (or will, should I decide to leave it in the queue) be forthcoming if
I didnt (dont) like it.
David Oberman
>Thanks for the clarification, Dober, but it's no big deal. No retribution
>would (or will, should I decide to leave it in the queue) be forthcoming if
>I didnt (dont) like it.
Okay, then.
The one Mann western I'm waiting for on DVD is "The Naked Spur," which
I've never seen but which seems to hold the preeminent spot among Mann
aficionadoes. (or is it aficionados?)
steve
> ride lonesome from 50s. budd botticher
Yea? Is it any better than "7 men from now"...which I did not enjoy?
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>True. I doubt its presentation of history was any closer to the
>truth, but Custer in "They Died With Their Boots On" was a joke, I
>grant you. The man was a retard. When Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse
>destroyed him, they did the US military of the day a favor. I
>notice it was made in 1941, and no doubt the need to provide
>wartime propaganda influenced the rah-rah direction of the film.
>By contrast, "Little Big Man" (1970) was a kind of hippy rebuttal,
>with all the shortcomings of the hippy view of history.
Custer still was a joke, but this time I was amused.
Howard Brazee
Jim Beaver
"steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote in message
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> On 20-Jun-2006, smacked up and reeling, "pair of dice lost"
> <aegi...@hotmail.com> blindly formulated
> the following incoherence:
>
>> ride lonesome from 50s. budd botticher
>
> Yea? Is it any better than "7 men from now"...which I did not enjoy?
Two of the best small Westerns of the 1950s. If you didn't like "Seven Men
From Now," you won't like "Ride Lonesome." Similar plots. Almost equally
brilliant. Plus there's the best male ensemble cast in a Western this side
of "The Magnificent Seven." And James Coburn's debut. You'll hate it.
Jim Beaver
precode
Actually, it was a remake of DODGE CITY--there are several direct lifts
from that film, from the barroom brawl crashing into the building
(soundstage) next door to the WTF? expression on Bruce Cabot's face
that was literally mimicked by Harvey Korman. Plus, of course, the
entire new-sheriff-who-doesn't-fit-in plot.
Mike S.
(why am I telling you this?)
steve
<jumb...@prodigy.spam> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> Two of the best small Westerns of the 1950s. If you didn't like "Seven
> Men
> From Now," you won't like "Ride Lonesome." Similar plots. Almost equally
>
> brilliant. Plus there's the best male ensemble cast in a Western this
> side
> of "The Magnificent Seven." And James Coburn's debut. You'll hate it.
Thanks, Jim.
> Almost equally
> brilliant.
I wish I could see what you guys see in these westerns.
Is it the mechanics of film making, i.e. is it like appreciating great
musicianship even if you dont like the music?
Or do you like the music?
steve
frlom2
One of my choices for the Best Westerns of the 1970s is ULZANA'S
RAID (1972) which is better balanced than either THEY DIED WITH THEIR
BOOTS ON or LITTLE BIG MAN though I think both of those films have
their merits.
Other movies I would cite for that decade would be:
MCCABE AND MRS. MILLER
DUCK YOU SUCKER AKA A FISTFUL OF DYNAMITE
THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES
I might also include THE BALLAD OF CABLE HOGUE but I don't remember
it that well and haven't seen it for a long time.
Best,
Fred
Al Smith
> RAID (1972) which is better balanced than either THEY DIED WITH THEIR
> BOOTS ON or LITTLE BIG MAN though I think both of those films have
> their merits.
I remember that one. I've seen it several times on weekend
afternoon television. Of course, seeing such a film only on TV
isn't necessarily having seen it at all, so much was probably cut out.
> Other movies I would cite for that decade would be:
>
> MCCABE AND MRS. MILLER
A little too touchy-feelie for me
> DUCK YOU SUCKER AKA A FISTFUL OF DYNAMITE
Not a film I really cared for very much.
> THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES
>
This one I liked a lot. One of Eastwood's best films. The only
aspect I didn't care for was Chief Dan George. I found his
character irritating.
Jim Beaver
"Rio Lobo." "Mackenna's Gold" Wow. Much as I love some of the parties
involved in these, they are two of the worst excuses for Westerns (or even
movies) in the whole history of the medium.
Jim Beaver
Jim Beaver
Love the music and the musicianship. I watch Boetticher's Randolph Scott
Westerns over and over and over. The best ones, that is. WESTBOUND and
BUCHANAN RIDES ALONE are comparatively pretty weak. But THE TALL T is one
of my ten -- maybe five -- favorite films, and SEVEN MEN and RIDE LONESOME
and COMANCHE STATION are not far behind.
Jim Beaver
Jim Beaver
"frlom2" <frl...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> I might also include THE BALLAD OF CABLE HOGUE but I don't remember
> it that well and haven't seen it for a long time.
One of my favorite films of all time.
Jim Beaver
Harkness
Somebody needed to say that.
John Harkness
Al Smith
>>>>>
>>>>> Rio Lobo, Rio Bravo, El Dorado!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and Unforgiven, of course...
>>
>>>
>>> Then there's "Mackenna's Gold" (1969) which was kind of catchy. No John
>>> Wayne, but Gregory Peck.
>
>
> "Rio Lobo." "Mackenna's Gold" Wow. Much as I love some of the parties
> involved in these, they are two of the worst excuses for Westerns (or even
> movies) in the whole history of the medium.
>
> Jim Beaver
>
>
I always get the "Reo"s mixed up. But didn't you like the "turkey
buzzard" song at the opening of "Mackenna's Gold?" That movie was
a lot of fun.
Jim Beaver
I love the "Old Turkey Buzzard" song. I love Gregory Peck. I love Edward
G. Robinson. I hate the movie.
"Rio Bravo" is a classic. "El Dorado" isn't bad. "Rio Lobo" sucks from the
moment the credits are over. (I like the credits.) "Rio Lobo" is the least
faithful to the "Rio Bravo" storyline, to the point where I can't understand
why it's always referred to as a remake. I love John Wayne. But, jeez, in
some ways "The Conqueror" is a better movie.
Jim Beaver
Al Smith
>>>>>>>>> Wayne, but Gregory Peck.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rio Lobo." "Mackenna's Gold" Wow. Much as I love some of the parties
>>>>> involved in these, they are two of the worst excuses for Westerns (or
>>>>> even movies) in the whole history of the medium.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Beaver
>>
>>>
>>> I always get the "Reo"s mixed up. But didn't you like the "turkey buzzard"
>>> song at the opening of "Mackenna's Gold?" That movie was a lot of fun.
>
>
> I love the "Old Turkey Buzzard" song. I love Gregory Peck. I love Edward
> G. Robinson. I hate the movie.
>
> "Rio Bravo" is a classic. "El Dorado" isn't bad. "Rio Lobo" sucks from the
> moment the credits are over. (I like the credits.) "Rio Lobo" is the least
> faithful to the "Rio Bravo" storyline, to the point where I can't understand
> why it's always referred to as a remake. I love John Wayne. But, jeez, in
> some ways "The Conqueror" is a better movie.
>
> Jim Beaver
So is "Rio Lobo" the one that has the great train robbery scene at
the start, with the nest of wasps, and all the ropes getting
collected by the rail car as it comes tearing along? That was
worth the price of admission right there. And how can anyone
resist the entrancing wiles of Jack Elam? I thought it was an OK
pic, although a bit unfocused.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Harsh words, Jim. At this point leave us turn to the IMDb for this bit of
dialog from _Get Shorty_ between Delroy Lindo (Bo) and John Travolta (Chili
Palmer):
Bo Catlett: You broke into my house, and I have a witness to it.
Chili Palmer: What?
Bo Catlett: Only this time it ain't no John Wayne and Dean Martin shooting
bad guys in "El Dorado."
Chili Palmer: That was "Rio Bravo." Robert Mitchum played the drunk in "El
Dorado." Dean Martin played the drunk in "Rio Bravo." Basically, it was the
same part. Now John Wayne, he did the same in both. He played John Wayne.
Bo Catlett: Man, I can't wait for you to be dead.
--
Frank in Seattle
____
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."
Harkness
That's the opening. Once the train robbery scene is over, it may be the
worst film Hawks made, including The Egyptian and Red Line 7000.
John Harkness
Bob Lipton
You haven't seen TRENT'S LAST CASE? Good for you.
Bob
Jim Beaver
Yeah, that's the one. I didn't mind the action sequences, and Elam's great,
as is Wayne, but Jorge Rivero? Jennifer O'Neill? Chris Mitchum? Oy. And
oy again.
Jim Beaver
Treadleson
Carlos Serra wrote:
> By god, has everybody forgotten the greats?!?
>
> Rio Lobo, Rio Bravo, El Dorado!!!
>
> Oh, and Unforgiven, of course...
You must mean Unforgiving! I never did get all the hootin and hollerin
about this one. But I can sure get behind the miniseries of Lonesome
Dove.
>
>
>
> "Treadleson" <trea...@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:1150784856.8...@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > precode wrote:
> >> bru wrote:
> >> > the virginian
> >> >
> >> > the good, the bad, and the ugly
> >> >
> >> > pale rider
> >> >
> >> > little big man
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > blobblegum wrote:
> >> > > 30s
> >> > >
> >> > > big trail
> >> > > cimarron
> >> > > stage coach
> >> > >
> >> > > 40s
> >> > >
> >> > > my darling clementine
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 50s
> >> > >
> >> > > searchers
> >> > > big country
> >> > > shane
> >> > > high noon
> >> > > winchester 74
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 60s
> >> > >
> >> > > once upon a time in the west
> >> > > man who shot liberty valance
> >> > > wild bunchery
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 70s
> >> > >
> >> > > pat garrett and billy boy
> >>
> >> RIO BRAVO. JOHNNY GUITAR.
> >
> > ....
> >> THE NAKED SPUR.
> >
> > Naked Spur has my vote. "Choosin' a way to die? What's the difference?
> > Choosin' a way to live - that's the hard part."
> >
> >
> >
> >>FORTY GUNS. Any of
> >> Boetticher's Randolph Scott westerns.
> >>
> >> Mike S.
> >>
> >> "Well, don't just stand there. Go get a shovel!"--Craig Stevens in
> >> BUCHANAN RIDES ALONE
> >
Jim Beaver
"Treadleson" <trea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Carlos Serra wrote:
> By god, has everybody forgotten the greats?!?
>
> Rio Lobo, Rio Bravo, El Dorado!!!
>
.......
> Oh, and Unforgiven, of course...
You must mean Unforgiving! I never did get all the hootin and hollerin
about this one. But I can sure get behind the miniseries of Lonesome
Dove.
---------
Oh, well, if you're going to include Westerns made for TV, there's one I
like a lot..........
Jim Beaver
Al Smith
>>> start, with the nest of wasps, and all the ropes getting collected by the
>>> rail car as it comes tearing along? That was worth the price of admission
>>> right there. And how can anyone resist the entrancing wiles of Jack Elam?
>>> I thought it was an OK pic, although a bit unfocused.
>
>
> Yeah, that's the one. I didn't mind the action sequences, and Elam's great,
> as is Wayne, but Jorge Rivero? Jennifer O'Neill? Chris Mitchum? Oy. And
> oy again.
>
> Jim Beaver
>
>
I'm remembering now. I didn't much like the Pilgrim, either.
Al Smith
>>>
>>> Rio Lobo, Rio Bravo, El Dorado!!!
>>>
>
> .......
>
>
>>> Oh, and Unforgiven, of course...
>
>
> You must mean Unforgiving! I never did get all the hootin and hollerin
> about this one. But I can sure get behind the miniseries of Lonesome
> Dove.
> ---------
> Oh, well, if you're going to include Westerns made for TV, there's one I
> like a lot..........
>
> Jim Beaver
>
>
Lonesome Dove, 12 hour movie, best Western ever made. Robert
Duvall, greatest living actor in the world.
Al Smith
Or maybe it was the Monsoor I didn't like.
Halmyre
I do like the bit where Wayne bursts in on one of the bad guys and
promptly kicks seven bells out of him without waiting to draw breath.
--
Halmyre
ceci, n'est pas un signature
snappo
Call me greedy, but I felt it had only begun when
it finished.
I saw it only about month ago, and the tv station
packaged it into just two epidodes.
The series seemed blessed with a wealth of capable
actors.Certainly a wealth of well known ones.
--
snappo
Howard Brazee
>Call me greedy, but I felt it had only begun when
>it finished.
Maybe so, but I haven't yet been tempted to read or watch the sequel.
There *are* some appropriate sequels to great works - but most leave
me disappointed.
michael grasberger
1940s: DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK (john ford)
1950s: THE GUNFIGHTER (henry king)
THE SEARCHERS (john ford)
1960s: -
1970s: EL TOPO (alejandro jodorowsky)
THE SHOOTIST (don siegel)
plus
1980s: HEAVEN'S GATE (michael cimino)
1990s: RIDE WITH THE DEVIL (ang lee)
2000s: OPEN RANGE (kevin costner)
DEADWOOD (tv-series)
Harkness
michael grasberger wrote:
> 1930s: THE BIG TRAIL (raoul walsh)
> 1940s: DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK (john ford)
Drums Along the Mohawk is 1939. The same year Ford made a little
Western called Stagecoach.
John Harkness
michael grasberger
Harkness schrieb:
you're right.
and of course STAGECOACH is the bigger classic, but i just like
DRUMS... because of the beautiful early technicolor and the really
dangerous and scary looking indians.
trotsky
That doesn't tell us much. Hawks' best films were some of the best
films of all time, so it doesn't give "worst film Hawks ever made" much
context.
steve
<dobe...@IGNOREsocal.rr.com> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> The one Mann western I'm waiting for on DVD is "The Naked Spur," which
> I've never seen but which seems to hold the preeminent spot among Mann
> aficionadoes. (or is it aficionados?)
Maybe you guys saw "Man of the West" last night (or otherwise) on TCM. This
one goes on my short list of cool westerns. A great look with subdued
colors (unlike any western Ive seen), and an amazingly cool psychological
plot. Yes, the bad guys are a bit (just a bit) too psycho, but this is a
dramatization of the psychology of both Cooper's character (one side,
anyway) and the dying west. I'd say this a like a spaghetti western but
with the proper artistic restraint. The bank scene at the end is wicked in
it's expression of futility. Mann's best film? Gets my vote so far.
And the film after, "Devils Doorway", wasnt bad, although a bit preachy.
But what a great look!
You guys have been recommending the wrong westerns. Have you guys not seen
"Man of the West" or just dont think it's great? No one mentioned it in an
old thread where I asked for western recommendations. What else have you
been keeping from me? ;^)
steve
--
"The accused will now make a bogus statement."
James Joyce
steve
the following incoherence:
> No one mentioned it in an
> old thread where I asked for western recommendations.
My mistake. My buddy, Mr Harkness, recommended. It just got lost to me
because it's not available on DVD.
Thanks, John.
clifff...@yahoo.com
blobblegum wrote:
> 30s
> big trail
> cimarron
> stage coach
>
> 40s
>
> my darling clementine
>
>
> 50s
>
> searchers
> big country
> shane
> high noon
> winchester 74
>
> 60s
>
> once upon a time in the west
> man who shot liberty valance
> wild bunchery>
>
> 70s
>
> pat garrett and billy boy
Why stop with the '70s? IMO, one of the best westerns ever
was the mini TV series Lonesome Dove, from about '87.
--
Cliff
frlom2
Hawks did not direct "The Egyptian." That was made by Michael
Curtiz. I suspect that the film you were thinking of is "Land of the
Pharaohs." That admittedly was not vintage Hawks but I think better
than "The Egyptian."
Best,
Fred
Jim Beaver
"michael grasberger" <mgras...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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One little problem with DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK in the context of this list
of Westerns: it takes place in upstate New York.
Jim Beaver
Jim Beaver
"steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote in message
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> On 20-Jun-2006, smacked up and reeling, David Oberman
> <dobe...@IGNOREsocal.rr.com> blindly formulated
> the following incoherence:
>
> seen
> "Man of the West" or just dont think it's great? No one mentioned it in
> an
> old thread where I asked for western recommendations. What else have you
> been keeping from me? ;^)
I've never thought of "Man of the West" as a particularly good film, and
especially not one of Mann's best. But I haven't seen it in many, many
years. I caught the tail end of it last night on TCM and was intrigued by
many elements I was probably too immature to notice the last time around.
(Or maybe just because I last saw it on TV in the 1970s, minus letterboxing
and color!) I'm going to give it a look next time it's on. A bit too much
talk during the final confrontation, but otherwise it looked very much
better than I'd remembered.
Jim Beaver
Al Smith
>>> greatest living actor in the world.
>
>
> Call me greedy, but I felt it had only begun when
> it finished.
> I saw it only about month ago, and the tv station
> packaged it into just two epidodes.
> The series seemed blessed with a wealth of capable
> actors.Certainly a wealth of well known ones.
> -- snappo
It's an amazing miniseries. Far and away the best miniseries ever
made. "Roots" doesn't even come close. Each two-hour episode is a
feature film of Oscar best-picture quality, and this is the only
television production about which that can be said. Duvall was at
the top of his game -- without him, "Lonesome Dove" wouldn't have
had quite the same power.
I've seen the miniseries several times, and read the book by Larry
McMurtry. The only thing wrong with either is the downbeat ending,
where the Captain gets old and sick and doesn't have the beans to
kill Blue Duck. That was a mistake. Captain Call should have
tracked down and killed Blue Duck.
Al Smith
>>>> > 1940s: DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK (john ford)
>>
>>>
>>> Drums Along the Mohawk is 1939. The same year Ford made a little
>>> Western called Stagecoach.
>>>
>>> John Harkness
>
>
> you're right.
> and of course STAGECOACH is the bigger classic, but i just like
> DRUMS... because of the beautiful early technicolor and the really
> dangerous and scary looking indians.
>
You can't beat the Indians of the Northeast woods for scary.
They'd make the plains Indians run to hug a buffalo chip.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
It's a frontier movie, which is what Westerns are. The moving frontier is
the great theme in American history and the end of the frontier is the great
turning point in American history. As I said in my other post, the one about
Daniel Boone, it's the timeframe that's the important determinant, I think,
not the geography.
Al Smith
> was the mini TV series Lonesome Dove, from about '87.
>
> --
> Cliff
Agreed. Plus, we're leaving out the Westerns set in modern times.
Remember "Comes A Horseman"? But nobody mention "Bronco Billy" --
that's one we who love Westerns never speak of.
michael grasberger
>
> You can't beat the Indians of the Northeast woods for scary.
> They'd make the plains Indians run to hug a buffalo chip.
absolutely. the fact that they don't have horses but come running
swiftly through the forest only adds to the wild menace they represent.
by the way, i didn't really like the last terrence malick film THE NEW
WORLD, but you have to give him this: the indians were really looking
wild and the fighting scenes were breathtaking.
michael grasberger
>
> One little problem with DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK in the context of this list
> of Westerns: it takes place in upstate New York.
>
> Jim Beaver
well, since english isn't my first language i might not get the
terminology right. is there such a genre as the "northeastern"?
suds mcduff
villain....
Robert Birchard
The Big Trail
Cimarron
Law and Order
Destry Rides Again
Union Pacific
Stage Coach
40s
The Westerner
My Darling Clementine
Fort Apache
50s
The Gun Fighter
The Searchers
The Big Country
Seven Men From Now
60s
Ride the High Country
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
(I'm sorry, but The Wuild Bunch is a long winded, over-rated piece of you
know what)
70s
pat garrett and billy boy???????? You're kidding, of course? Just saw this
again, and it's a candidate to be converted to nitrate as far as I'm
concerned. No redeeming social value, and no pornography, either.
Al Smith
That scene where the Algonquin Indians attack the guy in the
breastplate and helmet (John Smith, I think) was an excellent
action scene. About the only decent action in the entire picture.
Al Smith
> villain....
That was entertaining. But it had that weird quality that all
Italian Westerns have -- a kind of wackiness that make you wonder
if you should be taking it seriously or laughing at it. That
destroyed a lot of its power, in spite of Fonda's excellent
performance.
Treadleson
Al Smith wrote:
> >>Lonesome Dove, 12 hour movie, best Western ever made. Robert Duvall,
> >>> greatest living actor in the world.
> >
> >
> > Call me greedy, but I felt it had only begun when
> > it finished.
> > I saw it only about month ago, and the tv station
> > packaged it into just two epidodes.
> > The series seemed blessed with a wealth of capable
> > actors.Certainly a wealth of well known ones.
> > -- snappo
>
>
> It's an amazing miniseries. Far and away the best miniseries ever
> made. "Roots" doesn't even come close. Each two-hour episode is a
> feature film of Oscar best-picture quality, and this is the only
> television production about which that can be said. Duvall was at
> the top of his game -- without him, "Lonesome Dove" wouldn't have
> had quite the same power.
Don't forget Tommy Lee Jones as Call. Speaking of TL Jones, he was in
another mini-series, also quite top-notch, in the 70's--Howard Hughes.
One doesn't even want to compare the Jones Hughes with the DiCaprio
Hughes because there simply is no comparison. One rules, the other
doesn't.
One movie which isn't a western by the normal definition I would put on
an honorary mention list because it was just so good. It gets on the
westerns lists at all because Indians are at the heart of it, Indians
against the white man. In early frontier times. The film is Canadian.
In French, I think. "Black Robe." Unforgettable. I never thought
of the Iriquois the same again after that film.
Jim Beaver
"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote in message
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>
> It's a frontier movie, which is what Westerns are. The moving frontier is
> the great theme in American history and the end of the frontier is the
> great turning point in American history. As I said in my other post, the
> one about Daniel Boone, it's the timeframe that's the important
> determinant, I think, not the geography.
So a story set in 1872 on the South African frontier would be a Western?
;-) Just yankin' your chain.
Jim Beaver
Sean O'Hara
>
> One little problem with DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK in the context of
> this list of Westerns: it takes place in upstate New York.
>
I'd still count it as a Western, just set in a period when upstate
New York was the West.
I mean, no one's questioned the credentials of The Wild Bunch or
Vera Cruz, and those are set in Mexico.
--
Sean O'Hara | http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com
The Librarian had seen many weird things in his time, but that had
to be the 57th strangest.
-Terry Pratchett, /Moving Pictures/
David Oberman
>> It's a frontier movie, which is what Westerns are. The moving frontier is
>> the great theme in American history and the end of the frontier is the
>> great turning point in American history. As I said in my other post, the
>> one about Daniel Boone, it's the timeframe that's the important
>> determinant, I think, not the geography.
>
>So a story set in 1872 on the South African frontier would be a Western?
>
LOL!
Now this is meant seriously: The word "Western" is like the word
"freedom" in that somebody decides what it means & then that's what it
means. It's not like the word "electricity" which *is* something,
regardless of what it is you decide it means. So why don't we decide
here & now what "Western" means--which is really to decide what it
should mean?
I think every Western needs one or more of the following: cowboys,
indians, equines; & should touch to some degree on the themes of
independence, individuality, community, good & evil.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Sorry, but for that you're going to have buy me dinner first.
Big old smiley right back atcha.
Al Smith
>> this list of Westerns: it takes place in upstate New York.
>>
>
> I'd still count it as a Western, just set in a period when upstate New York was the West.
>
> I mean, no one's questioned the credentials of The Wild Bunch or Vera Cruz, and those are set in Mexico.
Right on. And what about that film Tom Selick was in, "Quigley
Down Under"? That was set in Australia, but I don't think anyone
could dispute that it belongs in the Western genre.
Sean O'Hara
>
> like a lot..........
>
And it just came out on DVD. Man, F Troop is great!
--
Sean O'Hara | http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com
Basically, without me there wouldn’t be biscuits at Kentucky Fried
Chicken. You’re welcome.
-Tom Wilson
Howard Brazee
<jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote:
>> It's a frontier movie, which is what Westerns are. The moving frontier is
>> the great theme in American history and the end of the frontier is the
>> great turning point in American history. As I said in my other post, the
>> one about Daniel Boone, it's the timeframe that's the important
>> determinant, I think, not the geography.
>
>So a story set in 1872 on the South African frontier would be a Western?
>
>;-) Just yankin' your chain.
There are some Australian movies (and even a TV series) that seem like
Hollywood "Westerns".
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
> In the Year of the Dog, the Great and Powerful Jim Beaver declared:
>>
>> Oh, well, if you're going to include Westerns made for TV, there's
>> one I like a lot..........
>>
>
> And it just came out on DVD. Man, F Troop is great!
The one and only time in my life when I really, really liked Ken Berry.
"Janie, please, I've told you, not in front of the men."
"That's right. I keep forgetting I'm the Old Man around here."
Or as Jane Russell says in _Gentlemen Prefer Blondes_: "That's why I'm so
right for this job."
Jim Beaver
"David Oberman" <dobe...@IGNOREsocal.rr.com> wrote in message
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Except for the equines, this sounds a lot like GANDHI.
(Seems to me there's a shot of a boy herding cows in that one.)
Jim Beaver
Jim Beaver
"Sean O'Hara" <sean...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In the Year of the Dog, the Great and Powerful Jim Beaver declared:
>>
>> Oh, well, if you're going to include Westerns made for TV, there's one I
>> like a lot..........
>>
>
> And it just came out on DVD. Man, F Troop is great!
Why, you, I oughta......
Christopher Snowden
Jim Beaver wrote:
> Oh, well, if you're going to include Westerns made for TV, there's one I
> like a lot..........
Same here. DEADWOOD.
Al Smith
>>
>
> And it just came out on DVD. Man, F Troop is great!
But seriously, folks, if we're talking great television movies,
"Belle Starr" (1980) with Elizabeth Montgomery was a winner.
Shaaa
Rio Bravo
Magnificent Seven
High Noon
Shaaa
and of course "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"
Bill Vermillion
As probably does Ned Kelly - the 1970 version - with Mick Jagger.
Not a great film but it surely feels like a western.
Bill
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
mgras...@hotmail.com
set in the 20th century.
FoggyTown
suds mcduff wrote:
> ---How about ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, with Hank Fonda as the
> villain....
Hank? You may be the only person in history who ever presumed to call
him "Hank"! Gonna have dinner with Brucie Willis and Tony Banderas
this week?
Sheesh.
Jim Beaver
"FoggyTown" <fogg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Actually, pretty much everybody who knew Henry Fonda called him "Hank." I
only encountered him once, and I didn't speak to him, but if I had, it would
have been "Mr. Fonda." But I don't think a reference in a board like this
to "Hank Fonda" (which was quite what he was known as personally) is any
different than referring to "Jimmy Stewart" or "Bogie" or "Duke Wayne." We
all know that what we would address them as on an initial meeting would be
more formal, but the familiarity of the figure to movie fans plus the fact
that these nicknames were real nicknames for the persons gives us a certain
justification in this context. It's not like he said "Clarkie Gable" or
something.
Jim Beaver
precode
big fan. Yes, you can pick it apart a dozen different ways, but at the
end of the day, it's a genial Hawksian romp and I love it to death.
(Elam alone is worth the price of the ticket.) Yes, it's no RIO BRAVO,
but ANIMAL CRACKERS is no DUCK SOUP, either, and I'm not beating up
ANIMAL CRACKERS because it's not.
Mike S.
"I shoulda taken you this morning."
"You shoulda tried."