TORA! TORA! TORA! What does it mean?
Peter Mason
REGARDS
Peter Mason
Beautiful
> Would somebody kindly inform me what "TORA!" translates
> to in English?
Isn't it Japanese for "tiger"? Can someone verify that?
Neil Cudd
Regards,
Neil.
"Peter Mason" <cin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sidney Falco
Literally, "Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!"
This was the coded signal transmitted around dawn to Japanese fcrces .
It meant that they were to begin the sneak attack.
"I don't mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." -- Samuel Butler
Stitch
A code word from flight crew to the naval vessels that the air advance to
the islands had been undetected and that the Japanese had the advantage of a
suprise attack.
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WallSt612
"Tora, Tora, Tora" means , "Kiss your white asses good-bye, hated American
imperialist dogs."
WallSt
Mark Smith
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> "Tora, Tora, Tora" means , "Kiss your white asses good-bye,
> hated American imperialist dogs."
Wow. Japanese must be one pithy language.
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Mark E. Smith <msm...@lvnworth.com>
bost...@alt.net
That's what it meant in the film "Tora! Tora! Tora!". In the Disney
version as shown in Japan it means "Valiantly defend our homeland
against the vicious American imperialist dog invaders."
-- bostnbob
Ruth
cin...@hotmail.com (Peter Mason) wrote:
No one knows. It's a mystery.
Ruth
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> wall...@aol.com (WallSt612) wrote in
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>
> > "Tora, Tora, Tora" means , "Kiss your white asses good-bye,
> > hated American imperialist dogs."
>
> Wow. Japanese must be one pithy language.
<giggle>
W. Lydecker
FilmGene
Gene Stavis, School of Visual Arts - NYC
Stephen Cooke
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 dans...@removemehotmail.com wrote:
> On 28 Jun 2001 00:17:48 -0700, cin...@hotmail.com (Peter Mason)
> wrote:
>
> >Would somebody kindly inform me what "TORA!" translates to in English?
> >
> You die joe!
Babe Ruth sleep with your wife!
Brent McKee
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It is indeed the Japanese word for tiger as verified by Walter Lord's book
"Day of Infamy". The Japanese used the code phrase "Climb Mount Niitaka" to
authorise the final order to launch the attack on Pearl Harbor. "Tora!
Tora! Tora!" was the code phrase to be used by the commander of the first
strike to confirm that they had achieved operational surprise. In fact he
used the phrase before the first bombs had fallen, based on the lack of
American aircraft in the air at the time. Like most code phrases (including
D-Day) both "Climb Mount Niitaka" and "Tora! Tora! Tora!" have no real
connection with the operation that they are attached to.
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Mark Brader
> Like most code phrases (including D-Day) both "Climb Mount Niitaka"
> and "Tora! Tora! Tora!" have no real connection with the operation
> that they are attached to.
Brent is right, except about D-Day. That was not a code phrase,
but military jargon. D-Day is how people who pronounce 11:00 as
eleven hundred hours" pronounce "day D". In other words, it's an
arbitrary day, and specifically the one on which some operation
is to start. The battle plans would call for taking such-and-such
an objective on D-Day, another objective on day D+1, then another
on day D+2, and so on. This can all be done long before anyone
actually makes the decision that D-Day will be June 5, 1944 -- and
when it gets postponed<*> to June 6, the schedules remain valid.
The actual code name for the invasion of Normandy was Operation
Overlord. Overlord's D-Day it was perceived as the most important
D-Day of the war, and the term must have gotten so much publicity
at the time that people related it to that specific day.
<*> ObFilm: "The Americanization of Emily" (1964). Comedy-drama with
James Garner and Julie Andrews. Script by Paddy Chayefsky based on a
novel by William Bradford Huie. Worth seeing.
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Polanski
> Would somebody kindly inform me what "TORA!" translates to in English?
>
> REGARDS
> Peter Mason
"All your base are belong to us."
Polanski
Luca Brasi
> Would somebody kindly inform me what "TORA!" translates to in English?
>
> REGARDS
> Peter Mason
This film is now being posted by someone in it's entirety in
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Brent McKee
Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote in message
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> Brent McKee writes:
> > Like most code phrases (including D-Day) both "Climb Mount Niitaka"
> > and "Tora! Tora! Tora!" have no real connection with the operation
> > that they are attached to.
>
> Brent is right, except about D-Day. That was not a code phrase,
> but military jargon. D-Day is how people who pronounce 11:00 as
> eleven hundred hours" pronounce "day D". In other words, it's an
> arbitrary day, and specifically the one on which some operation
> is to start. The battle plans would call for taking such-and-such
> an objective on D-Day, another objective on day D+1, then another
> on day D+2, and so on. This can all be done long before anyone
> actually makes the decision that D-Day will be June 5, 1944 -- and
> when it gets postponed<*> to June 6, the schedules remain valid.
>
> The actual code name for the invasion of Normandy was Operation
> Overlord. Overlord's D-Day it was perceived as the most important
> D-Day of the war, and the term must have gotten so much publicity
> at the time that people related it to that specific day.
You are right about the jargon part of course, but I have seen any number of
people try to come up with what the "D" in D-Day means -- destruction,
devestation, doom. "Overlord" on the other hand is not a good comparison
with "Tora! Tora! Tora!" or "Climb Mount Niitaka". A better example of
similar code phrases is seen in the movie "The Longest Day" when the BBC
broadcasts portions of a Verlaine poem to resistance groups in the Normandy
region to commence sabotage activities. As is pointed out in the movie,
various groups would have different code phrases with instructions. But
even in that movie, "D-Day" is used in such a way as to indicate that
there's only one , ever, in the history of mankind.
> <*> ObFilm: "The Americanization of Emily" (1964). Comedy-drama with
> James Garner and Julie Andrews. Script by Paddy Chayefsky based on a
> novel by William Bradford Huie. Worth seeing.
Also an early appearance by James Coburn. Excellent movie that is broadcast
all too rarely seen on TV (at least where I live -- no AMC or TCM in Canada)
and isn't out on DVD yet.
Polar
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>cin...@hotmail.com (Peter Mason) wrote in
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>
>> Would somebody kindly inform me what "TORA!" translates to in English?
>>
>> REGARDS
>> Peter Mason
>
>This film is now being posted by someone in it's
ITS
entirety in
>alt.binaries.movies.divx
I'd prefer to see it on big screen.
>
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Polar
Steve Oldham
Steve
Maureen Goldman
> It's an Irish Lullaby.
o dear
Have to say that I'm really loving the creative answers to this
question.
Jim Beaver
"Brent McKee" <bSm...@the.link.caN> wrote in message
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In military jargon, the day, hour, etc. of critical importance is referred
to by the initial of its name, i.e., D-Day, H-Hour, etc. As stated above,
the date can be moved while leaving all operational schedules in place.
D-Day, H-Hour, etc., are just ways of emphasizing the pertinent point in
time. The "d" in D-Day, therefore, stands for nothing other than the
initial of the time in question, and is not an abbreviation for anything.
Jim Beaver
Bill Steele
According to the dictionary, either "Tiger" or "Year of the Tiger,"
depending on which kanji is used. Sounds like a pretty cool code word.
S D
Matthew Montchalin
|Jap talk for Ta Ra Ra Boom De Ay
I've just GOT to remember that one.... It wasn't in the subtitles
to the DVD version, was it?
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gtr
Japanese is larded with such contractions.
Bill Steele
the code phrase was "Trouble trouble trouble."
They also use a loanword - "taiga"
They do tend to dislike anything as long as four syllables. "heli" is a
helicopter.
Stephen DeMay
luisb...@aol.com
> Would somebody kindly inform me what "TORA!" translates to in English?
>
> Peter Mason
I thought the film title meant "Attack Attack Attack."
BTW, it's not widely known that we fired the first shots at Pearl, not the Japanese. We attacked several Japanese midget subs prowling around doing surveillance.
http://www.dodlive.mil/2015/12/06/sub-warfare-plays-vital-role-in-pearl-harbor-defeating-japan/
Bill Steele
> On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 3:17:48 AM UTC-4, Peter Mason wrote:
>> Would somebody kindly inform me what "TORA!" translates to in English?
>>
>> REGARDS
>> Peter Mason
>
> I thought the film title meant "Attack Attack Attack."
The word tora (虎) means "tiger" in Japanese, but in this case is an
abbreviated radio codeword, an acronym for totsugeki raigeki (突撃雷撃),
literally meaning "lightning attack," indicating to his superiors that
the objective of complete surprise had been achieved.
Didn't we have something like that for D-Day?
Halmyre
The other most (in)famous codeword is of course 'Nigger' - the successful breaching of the Möhne dam.
Bill Steele
A good codeword shouldn't sound like a codeword.
"One thing more, for signal token: Whistle out the marching tune. All
our pikes must be together at the rising of the moon."